[02:50] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[03:06] <Ussat> I rip out snaps all together on my server installs
[03:07] <lotuspsychje> the users choice Ussat
[03:07] <Ussat> Honestly, I wish snaps were not included at all in server  uilds
[03:07] <Ussat> Just an extra hassle
[03:08] <lotuspsychje> yeah, i also share same opinion, leave the user the choice to go snappy at all
[03:08] <lotuspsychje> but i think its a world in motion, when devs start to integrate things by default snap
[03:09] <lotuspsychje> i also like the way oerheks says; just like the ppa's, you have to trust the snap maintainer(s)
[03:10] <Ussat> 'My problem with snaps, is the implimentation, they can push an update whenever......I controll when my servers get updated, not some random dev
[03:10] <Ussat> With a PPA, its different, they dont self upodate whenever
[03:11] <Ussat> What is to stop some dev from fscking up bad and opushing the snap and having it update without me knowing ?
[03:11] <lotuspsychje> its true
[03:11] <Ussat> snaps do not belong in an enterprise OS
[03:11] <Ussat> period.
[03:11] <lotuspsychje> Ussat: when you leave a journalctl -f open these days, ubuntu has a secret internal life these days
[03:12] <lotuspsychje> imagine if you got 50 snaps installed, what happens under the hood
[03:12] <Ussat> Whats to stop a dev from pushing out a back door, repos get hacked
[03:12] <Ussat> and yes, same can be said about a PPA, but at least I KNOW when a ppa is updated
[03:13] <lotuspsychje> lets say the devs machine gets compromized, you get access to thousands users boxes for your malware update
[03:14] <lotuspsychje> auto anything is a bad idea, and specialy for servers
[03:14] <lotuspsychje> the admin needs its control
[03:14] <Ussat> exactly
[03:15] <Ussat> Now, that said, I validate everything in my test env, but still
[03:15] <Ussat> if snaps did not auto update..problem solved
[03:16] <lotuspsychje> well you can mess around with their timers yourself but..
[03:16] <sarnold> not enough, though
[03:16] <sarnold> I can't tell you how many bloody times I've come in to work on a monday morning and found mattermost entirely useless because snap updated it over the weekend
[03:16] <lotuspsychje> yikes
[03:16] <Ussat> ^^
[03:17] <sarnold> and that's just a stupid chat application
[03:17] <Ussat> Now, snaps on a desktop....eh, I generally dont care
[03:17] <sarnold> if it's a database server? noooooope.
[03:17] <sarnold> it's *really* frustrating, because there's a bunch of good ideas there
[03:17] <Ussat> but I cant believe the devs thought this was a good idea
[03:17] <sarnold> but the handful of *boggle* problems are seriously hindering it
[03:17] <Ussat> There are some really good ideas, implimentation was crap
[03:17] <lotuspsychje> snap can be cool, if you admin choose for your own to have a single box with a few snaps that arent on the apt repos
[03:19] <Ussat> We have looked into that
[03:21] <lotuspsychje> we got a server admin as volunteers that didnt like the default chromium browser going snappy neither
[05:54] <marcoagpinto> The demon!
[07:20] <ducasse> good morning
[07:43] <marcoagpinto> hey hey
[07:43] <marcoagpinto> "a coder's work is never resumed"
[07:43] <marcoagpinto> :)
[10:51] <sandrolinux> Hello
[10:51] <guiverc> G'day sandrolinux
[10:52] <guiverc> What have you discovered in IRC?  or still trying to work it all out?
[10:52] <sandrolinux> Yeah I am still trying to work out how to use weechat
[10:55] <guiverc> I've never used it, have thought about trying it (and irssi) but never get to it..
[11:06] <sandrolinux> it is pretty good but a bit confusing
[11:12] <sandrolinux> What is the irc you are using?
[11:15] <guiverc> hexchat...  was default when I started using it.. just haven't changed
[11:16] <guiverc> quassel is now default for my chosen desktop
[11:18] <sandrolinux> Ok cool weechat is pretty lightweight and it is terminal based which is great for ppl like me who love the terminal
[11:19] <sandrolinux> What is your favourite ubuntu flavour?
[11:20] <guiverc> I'm using Lubuntu/LXQt (so a terminal client makes more sense for me I think too)
[11:22] <lotuspsychje> mine are -dekstop & -lubuntu
[11:23] <sandrolinux> Mine might be mate
[11:23] <sandrolinux> I like all of them really
[11:23] <guiverc> sandrolinux, I also have Xubuntu installed on his box, plus ubuntu-desktop installed (ie. multiple desktops installed; I had mate till a few months back, needed disk space)
[11:24] <sandrolinux> ok
[11:24] <sandrolinux>  Always been interested by Ubuntu Kylin but have not tried it yet
[11:25] <guiverc> I've done some QA-test installs to explore it (Kylin), but the non-english was a barrier to really appreciated it for me.
[11:25] <lotuspsychje> your chinese isnt fluid guiverc :p:p
[11:26] <guiverc> not even close !
[11:28] <sandrolinux> My chinese is terrible but I am trying to learn Mandrin so it should hopefully improve
[11:29] <sandrolinux> The chinese goverment don't trust microsoft that is probably why they made stock Kylin
[11:29] <guiverc> :)    Kylin looked great... (bright & cheery as I recall, but it was a xenial spin I think I last tried.. 16.04.5 maybe so late 2018 & awhile ago now)
[11:30] <sandrolinux> Why would you trust a US company if you were the Chinese goverment? Microsoft are a part of the prism project
[11:31] <guiverc> Yeah I'd agree.. Canonical funded Kylin (flavor) for 5 years for 16.04/xenial instead of usual 3, so they threw some $s at it (first LTS)
[11:33]  * guiverc is heading towards bed.. night folks
[11:35] <lotuspsychje> nite mate
[11:35] <lotuspsychje> one chinese, two chinese, three...ZZZZzzzzZZZ
[11:42] <sandrolinux> Never tried Budgie before got to try it soon
[11:45] <sandrolinux> Anyone had experience with Ubuntu Budgie?
[12:25] <sandrolinux> Hello Sven_vB_!
[14:11] <Sven_vB> hello sandrolinux
[14:15] <sandrolinux> what is your favourite ubuntu flavour?
[14:15] <lotuspsychje> -troll alert-
[14:16]  * Ussat plays star trek klaxon warning
[14:16] <Ussat> o/ lotuspsychje
[14:17] <lotuspsychje> hey Ussat ; )
[14:17] <sandrolinux> What do you think of snaps?
[14:18] <Ussat> I think ignore is a wonderfull feature
[14:20] <lotuspsychje> i dont believe in ignores actually, stick head in sand method, while they still there
[14:20] <Ussat> fair
[14:25] <lotuspsychje> Ussat: bug #1799165
[14:26] <lotuspsychje> was a wishlist once i filed :p
[15:13] <Sven_vB> sandrolinux, Xfce, without snapd.