[02:50] good morning [03:06] I rip out snaps all together on my server installs [03:07] the users choice Ussat [03:07] Honestly, I wish snaps were not included at all in server uilds [03:07] Just an extra hassle [03:08] yeah, i also share same opinion, leave the user the choice to go snappy at all [03:08] but i think its a world in motion, when devs start to integrate things by default snap [03:09] i also like the way oerheks says; just like the ppa's, you have to trust the snap maintainer(s) [03:10] 'My problem with snaps, is the implimentation, they can push an update whenever......I controll when my servers get updated, not some random dev [03:10] With a PPA, its different, they dont self upodate whenever [03:11] What is to stop some dev from fscking up bad and opushing the snap and having it update without me knowing ? [03:11] its true [03:11] snaps do not belong in an enterprise OS [03:11] period. [03:11] Ussat: when you leave a journalctl -f open these days, ubuntu has a secret internal life these days [03:12] imagine if you got 50 snaps installed, what happens under the hood [03:12] Whats to stop a dev from pushing out a back door, repos get hacked [03:12] and yes, same can be said about a PPA, but at least I KNOW when a ppa is updated [03:13] lets say the devs machine gets compromized, you get access to thousands users boxes for your malware update [03:14] auto anything is a bad idea, and specialy for servers [03:14] the admin needs its control [03:14] exactly [03:15] Now, that said, I validate everything in my test env, but still [03:15] if snaps did not auto update..problem solved [03:16] well you can mess around with their timers yourself but.. [03:16] not enough, though [03:16] I can't tell you how many bloody times I've come in to work on a monday morning and found mattermost entirely useless because snap updated it over the weekend [03:16] yikes [03:16] ^^ [03:17] and that's just a stupid chat application [03:17] Now, snaps on a desktop....eh, I generally dont care [03:17] if it's a database server? noooooope. [03:17] it's *really* frustrating, because there's a bunch of good ideas there [03:17] but I cant believe the devs thought this was a good idea [03:17] but the handful of *boggle* problems are seriously hindering it [03:17] There are some really good ideas, implimentation was crap [03:17] snap can be cool, if you admin choose for your own to have a single box with a few snaps that arent on the apt repos [03:19] We have looked into that [03:21] we got a server admin as volunteers that didnt like the default chromium browser going snappy neither [05:54] The demon! [07:20] good morning [07:43] hey hey [07:43] "a coder's work is never resumed" [07:43] :) [10:51] Hello [10:51] G'day sandrolinux [10:52] What have you discovered in IRC? or still trying to work it all out? [10:52] Yeah I am still trying to work out how to use weechat [10:55] I've never used it, have thought about trying it (and irssi) but never get to it.. [11:06] it is pretty good but a bit confusing [11:12] What is the irc you are using? [11:15] hexchat... was default when I started using it.. just haven't changed [11:16] quassel is now default for my chosen desktop [11:18] Ok cool weechat is pretty lightweight and it is terminal based which is great for ppl like me who love the terminal [11:19] What is your favourite ubuntu flavour? [11:20] I'm using Lubuntu/LXQt (so a terminal client makes more sense for me I think too) [11:22] mine are -dekstop & -lubuntu [11:23] Mine might be mate [11:23] I like all of them really [11:23] sandrolinux, I also have Xubuntu installed on his box, plus ubuntu-desktop installed (ie. multiple desktops installed; I had mate till a few months back, needed disk space) [11:24] ok [11:24] Always been interested by Ubuntu Kylin but have not tried it yet [11:25] I've done some QA-test installs to explore it (Kylin), but the non-english was a barrier to really appreciated it for me. [11:25] your chinese isnt fluid guiverc :p:p [11:26] not even close ! [11:28] My chinese is terrible but I am trying to learn Mandrin so it should hopefully improve [11:29] The chinese goverment don't trust microsoft that is probably why they made stock Kylin [11:29] :) Kylin looked great... (bright & cheery as I recall, but it was a xenial spin I think I last tried.. 16.04.5 maybe so late 2018 & awhile ago now) [11:30] Why would you trust a US company if you were the Chinese goverment? Microsoft are a part of the prism project [11:31] Yeah I'd agree.. Canonical funded Kylin (flavor) for 5 years for 16.04/xenial instead of usual 3, so they threw some $s at it (first LTS) [11:33] * guiverc is heading towards bed.. night folks [11:35] nite mate [11:35] one chinese, two chinese, three...ZZZZzzzzZZZ [11:42] Never tried Budgie before got to try it soon [11:45] Anyone had experience with Ubuntu Budgie? [12:25] Hello Sven_vB_! === Sven_vB_ is now known as Sven_vB [14:11] hello sandrolinux [14:15] what is your favourite ubuntu flavour? [14:15] -troll alert- [14:16] * Ussat plays star trek klaxon warning [14:16] o/ lotuspsychje [14:17] hey Ussat ; ) [14:17] What do you think of snaps? [14:18] I think ignore is a wonderfull feature [14:20] i dont believe in ignores actually, stick head in sand method, while they still there [14:20] fair [14:25] Ussat: bug #1799165 [14:25] bug 1789943 in gnome-software (Ubuntu) "duplicate for #1799165 Ubuntu Software only shows snap app's without any explanations or advices" [Undecided,Opinion] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1789943 [14:26] was a wishlist once i filed :p [15:13] sandrolinux, Xfce, without snapd.