[00:00] <sarnold> yes, if you modify /etc/apt/sources.list* files
[00:00] <genii> acagastya: The problem doesn't seem to be with the location of the missor, but your network or DNS settings
[00:00] <genii> missor/mirror
[00:01] <acagastya> Colleague's -- I can access it from half the world across.
[00:01] <acagastya> But colleague seems to be facing an issue.
[00:01] <acagastya> Let me ask him to find a mirror which works.
[00:02] <sarnold> these errors come from dns not working as it should
[00:03] <sarnold> maybe that's because network administrators have used dns means to try to block your colleague
[00:03] <sarnold> and if so, maybe switching to a closer mirror would help
[00:03] <genii> sarnold: Yes, he's probably accessing the "colleague's" machine by straight IP
[00:03] <sarnold> but it's also possible that the dns infrastructure your colleague is using is just bad
[00:05] <acagastya> genii: no need to put it in double quotes.  pizero (the colleague on IRC) won't typically ask the questions here, and might end up paying someone to fix his laptop.
[00:05] <acagastya> Now, if the DNS is causing trouble, I can't imagine he will able to fix it.
[00:07] <acagastya> Odd, he says he can "http://us.archive.ubuntu.com".
[00:07] <sarnold> ah, then that's leaning towards unreliable dns service on that machine
[00:07] <genii> If pinging an IP directly works, temporatily then just add the google DNS machines to your /etc/resolv.conf with: echo "nameserver 8.8.8.8" | sudo tee -a /etc/resolv.conf
[00:08] <genii> ( and same with 8.8.4.4 )
[00:08] <acagastya> Even `host us.archive.ubuntu.com` seems working.
[00:18] <acagastya> (I have asked him to set up a DNS server.)
[00:18] <acagastya> Thanks all.
[00:23] <CarlFK> sarnold:  cur=${cur#*=}  ${string#substring}Strip shortest match of 	      $substring from front of 	      $string - which sounds like "eat the if=" that I am seeing with dd.  so if yours has the same thing, seem like it shoujld eat yours too.
[00:26] <sarnold> CarlFK: but that just modifies the 'cur' variable, I don't know if that's ever used to modify the command line or not, or if it's really only used by the _filedir function to populate suggestions
[00:26] <sarnold> czwolf: any chance you can fix your connection?
[00:30] <CarlFK> sarnold: um.. sure.    and now I realize I have no idea how these bash-completion things work.  but I found the source.  https://github.com/scop/bash-completion/blob/master/completions/dd#L10
[00:55] <JoeBk> I noticed 20.04.2.0 was released.  what's the reason for that?
[00:55] <sarnold> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2021-February/000265.html
[00:59] <JoeBk> sarnold, that explains it.
[01:11] <waltman> I mentioned earlier today that I've been having an issue with gnome crashing when I do an apt upgrade. It just happened to me again. I put the entries from /var/log/syslog when it crashed in a gist at https://gist.github.com/waltman/8a6166e270d99b98e86b641ccc0a9006
[01:12] <waltman> It was different packages than last time. I'm guessing it must have something to do with one of those gnome libraries.
[01:13] <waltman> I was thinking this morning it must be snapd, but that didn't seem to be involved this time.
[01:16] <sarnold> waltman: this is probably reason enough for a bug against just plain 'ubuntu' -- I've seen complaints about the desktop dying once in a while during upgrades but last time I went looking for the bug report, I couldn't find it
[01:17] <waltman> This is the second time this week it's happened.
[01:17] <sarnold> waltman: yikes
[01:18] <waltman> It's been happening all the time though. Then about 24 hours after it happens, NetworkManager will crash.
[01:19] <waltman> sarnold: Can you remind me the best way to file a bug report?
[01:19] <Bustin> Is there a known issue with Ubuntu (fresh install), Nvidia RTX 2080 super, and the drivers? No matter what I do, I'm getting screen tearing, ghosting, and a bit of interface lag. I have checked the refresh rates, resolutions, etc. This is a laptop, using 2 external displays, (the laptop stays closed, use 2 externals.
[01:20] <sarnold> waltman: try running just "apport-bug" -- I think that'll do the right thing
[01:20] <waltman> OK, thanks.
[01:22] <waltman> sarnold: It's not clear to me which category this falls into -- Display? Installer? Other problem?
[01:22] <sarnold> waltman: of those three, 'other'
[01:24] <waltman> It wouldn't let me do `apport-bug ubuntu`
[01:25] <waltman> It says I need to specify a package or pid.
[01:25] <waltman> apt?
[01:26] <sarnold> waltman: it's probably not apt, though, it's probably something in gnome-land..
[01:26] <waltman> one choice is "Display (X.org)"
[01:27] <sarnold> probably not that either
[01:27] <waltman> dist-upgrade, installation, installer, release-upgrade, ubuntu-release-upgrader
[01:27] <sarnold> try dist-upgrade
[01:29] <waltman> that seems a bit better. If I click "send", will it give me a chance to say what happened?
[01:29] <sarnold> I *think* so
[01:30] <sarnold> if not, you can at least edit the thing on launchpad
[01:42] <waltman> Turns out it drops you into launchpad and you can add a longer comment there.
[01:42] <sarnold> good good
[01:43] <Elw3> Say, is there a way to enable a trashbin on fat partitions?
[01:45] <waltman> create an alias for rm that mv's the files to ~/.Trash?
[01:46] <waltman> If it's what I think you're talking about, there's nothing really filesystem-specific about it.
[01:47] <sarnold> Elw3: you could try creating a .Trash directory at the top level of the FAT filesystem and see if that helps -- this is a guess based on the "resolution" section of https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/glib/-/issues/2153
[01:48] <sarnold> Elw3: I wouldn't be surprised if FAT filesystems can't cheaply move files from one directory to another within a filesystem; on ext4 or zfs or 'real' filesystems this is very nearly free. I could imagine it being expensive on FAT though, or the exact sequence of syscalls may not be supported at all (maybe it does some hardlink tricks to make sure it's not actually removed from the filesystem in case of
[01:48] <sarnold> crash?)
[01:48] <sarnold> (that's a wild guess)
[01:50] <Elw3> Cut and moving is instant.
[01:50] <sarnold> mm, promising
[01:50] <Elw3> All that it needs to do is indeed moving stuff to a .trash.
[01:50] <Elw3> BUT the file manger complains
[01:51] <Elw3> And i keep running into this error message, and a have got the habbit sf doing shift delete instead delete now to get rid of the message, but now i delete files by accident.
[01:51] <Elw3> Out of pure muscle memory...
[01:53] <Elw3> Where even is the trash folder on a ext partition now? I dont see anything in /
[01:54] <Elw3> Its basically this message i want to get rid of "Some files cannot be moved to the rubbish bin because the underlying file systems don’t support this operation"
[01:55] <Bashing-om> Elw3: ' ls -ld .local/share/Trash ' and root's: ' sudo ls -l /root/.local/share/Trash/files ' .
[01:56] <Elw3> Ah thanks.
[01:57] <sarnold> Elw3: that's why I'm thinking to create a .Trash directory in the root of the FAT filesystem -- see if that's enough to make it work?
[01:57] <Elw3> But is this really a file system thing? I mean moving to a user folder sounds odd for file system operation.
[01:58] <Elw3> Nope sarnold
[01:58] <sarnold> dang
[01:58] <Elw3> Changers nothing.
[02:52] <ksx4system> how do I disable /swapfile creation on Ubuntu 20.04? I've explicitely removed it from /etc/fstab and deleted /swapfile itself but after reboot it was recreated
[07:02] <asphyxxia> Okay, so, I need a bit of advice. I have a 700GB disk mapped to an LVM when I installed this ubuntu server
[07:03] <asphyxxia> However, I only somehow managed to assign 30GB to the /
[07:03] <asphyxxia> so that's where everythign resides so far.
[07:03] <asphyxxia> However, that also means that 670GB is currently unmapped. I'm trying to create sort of Samba shares with the rest of the space
[07:03] <asphyxxia> would it be ideal to expand the original / to fill the rest of hte LVM
[07:03] <asphyxxia> or, to create sparate volumes and share those with sama?
[07:03] <asphyxxia> samba*
[07:06] <asphyxxia> Like, would it be preferable to create three logical volumes each for documents, media, and downloads
[07:07] <asphyxxia> or would it be better to just merge it in one big alreadyt existing ubuntu root
[07:32] <coredumb72> Hello
[07:32] <coredumb72> Using Ubuntu 20.10 here with default gnome 3 setup
[07:33] <coredumb72> I've set some custom shortcuts on alt+shift+[1-0]
[07:34] <coredumb72> they all work except 8 and 9 which gives alt+shift+( and ) on my keymap
[07:35] <coredumb72> same issue with ctrl+alt+( that doesn't work while ) does
[07:35] <coredumb72> any idea where I should look for ?
[08:01] <eoli3n> Hi
[08:02] <eoli3n> i have 40 20.04 in a room. 4 of them are stuck on 5.4 kernel if I upgrade
[08:02] <eoli3n> all others are 5.8
[08:02] <eoli3n> how is it possible
[08:02] <eoli3n> ?
[08:02] <eoli3n> yes i updated
[08:05] <EriC^^> eoli3n: maybe the 5.4 ones dont have hwe
[08:06] <EriC^^> !hwe
[08:06] <TomTom> good morning. I have troubles with the realtek driver and its phy interaction. the card gets only initialized when i unload the driver and restart the networking. this seems to be known issue with some cards/boards. my question is how to include this procedure (remove module, insert module, refetch dhcp lease) in a proper way for the init procedure
[08:09] <eoli3n> EriC^^ wtf -> https://x0.at/6tB.png
[08:09] <eoli3n> on one i have 5.8 installed, but it seems not in the repo
[08:09] <TomTom> a system service which is started after refresh-network.target would be a good start, but here i can't just restart the systemd-networkd as this would cause a loop...
[08:10] <eoli3n> all hosts are EXACTLY the same, every configs are automated with ansible
[08:53] <routebee> The wealthiest 0.01% of American got 1.1 trillion dollars richer due to government pandemic stimulus spending
[08:54] <routebee> wrong channel
[09:12] <Nobun> anyone knows why if I use "dpkg -l linux*" I have results that includes also not installed item (marked with initial un) while having "dpkg -l | grep linux" not?
[09:17] <Seveas> Nobun: that's... impossible. Can you run the commands and pastebin both the invocations and the output?
[09:19] <MarderIII> confirmed it with dpkg -l usb*
[09:19] <MarderIII> on raspbian... :-\
[09:21] <MarderIII> dpkg -l seems to show only installed packages
[09:21] <MarderIII> dpkg -l usb* shows also uninstalled packages
[09:28] <Nobun> Seveas: surely
[09:28] <brendantcc> hey so uh i may have installed pantheon out of curiosity on my ubuntu laptop
[09:29] <brendantcc> and... now effectively the entire system is convinced it's running Elementary OS 6 Odin
[09:29] <Seveas> yeah, it does the same here MarderIII Nobun... that's wild...
[09:30] <brendantcc> soo trying to add ppa:ubuntu-mozilla-daily/ppa to apt just spits out a traceback to /usr/bin/add-apt-repository on line 109
[09:30] <brendantcc> *108
[09:30] <brendantcc> ends in the following line:
[09:30] <brendantcc> aptsources.distro.NoDistroTemplateException: Error: could not find a distribution template for Elementary/odin
[09:31] <brendantcc> my question: how do i un-fool my system
[09:32] <brendantcc> i've already fixed /etc/lsb-release and /etc/issue
[09:32] <brendantcc> what else do i need to fix
[09:32] <coredumb72> Hello
[09:32] <coredumb72> I've set some custom shortcuts on alt+shift+[1-0]
[09:32] <coredumb72> they all work except 8 and 9 which gives alt+shift+( and ) on my keymap
[09:32] <coredumb72> same issue with ctrl+alt+( that doesn't work while ) does...
[09:32] <coredumb72> Any idea where I should look at?
[09:32] <coredumb72> It doesn't seem like these shortcuts are used by any defaults
[09:33] <Nobun> Seveas: here you can see the comparison: -> https://dpaste.com/6TKX2R4MZ    https://dpaste.com/FLR3GKZNM
[09:34] <Seveas> Nobun: yeah, looks like only ii/rc packages are shown unless you give a pattern
[09:34] <Seveas> I'm wondering when that changed, I'd swear that's something recent
[09:36] <brendantcc> update: found os-release
[09:39] <Nobun> Seveas: I need to use dpkg -l linux* in a my python script... so I modified my regexp in order to whipe out also packages not "ii"
[09:42] <Seveas> it's indeed something new-ish, only 2 years old. Before that dpkg -l would show the 'un' entries as well
[09:42] <Seveas> 3 years*
[09:45] <eeos> hi everybody! What well supported filesystem is better for storing photographs on an ubuntu server?
[09:46] <MarderIII> @eeos btrfs I would say.. protection against bitrot
[09:50] <eeos> MarderIII: would it be better than ZFS or ext4?
[09:51] <MarderIII> eeos: I think so, ext4 lacks the error correction needed, and I do not know what the (support/development) status of ZFS is at the moment.
[09:57] <eeos> btrfs support is a bit sketchy .... MarderIII
[09:58] <MarderIII> eeos: Agreed. Googled a bit. OpenZFS seems the best bet. But the support for it comes from the freeBSD community
[10:02] <MarderIII> eeos: support for btrfs is indeed to sketchy.. sry!  Interesting read: https://linuxhint.com/btrfs_vs_openzfs/
[10:04] <ikonia> why do you need btrfs / zfs
[10:04] <ikonia> what's the usecase
[10:04] <MarderIII> ikonia: long term storage of photos with protection against bitrot.
[10:06] <MarderIII> bitrot creeps into backups and is often caught to late.
[10:07] <ikonia> what's wrong with a more standard file system for tha t?
[10:07] <ikonia> journaled
[10:13] <eeos> ikonia: yes that is what I asked ....
[10:14] <ikonia> nothing
[10:14] <MarderIII> ikonia: I may be wrong, but aren't journaled filesystems meant to protect against filesystem integrity, and not  file integrity?
[10:14] <ikonia> MarderIII: correct, but why would a file just 'degrade'
[10:14] <ikonia> and to be honest, it's easier to just be a second external drive and backup
[10:15] <MarderIII> see bitrot / datarot https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_degradation
[10:15] <MarderIII> Not a good wikipedia article ... I know
[10:16] <gordonjcp> bitrot was more in the sense that if you leave projects lying around, when you come back to them you might not be able to build them again
[10:16] <ikonia> yeah but I mean real world....
[10:16] <gordonjcp> toolchains change, libraries change
[10:16] <ikonia> just backup your files
[10:16] <gordonjcp> go compile xmms on modern Linux, see what I mean
[10:17] <ikonia> gordonjcp: that is a great example
[10:17] <ikonia> xmms....lovely reference
[10:17] <gordonjcp> why does't Ubuntu have a media player, anyway
[10:17] <gordonjcp> are we all supposed to be using spotify now?
[10:17] <MarderIII> ikonia: backup dows not help.. the changed bit creeps into the backup
[10:17] <ikonia> MarderIII: it does help if they are not changing
[10:17] <gordonjcp> MarderIII: RAID is not a backup, backups are not RAID
[10:17] <ikonia> if they are changing then the file system integrity ewill keep the files in place
[10:18] <MarderIII> gordonjcp: and btrfs/zfs is not RAID
[10:18] <Nobun> gordonjcp: Ubuntu has a lot of media players you can install. It has also a pre-installed media player (at least one) depending of ubuntu type (on Kubuntu Elisa is preinstalled, but I don't like it)
[10:19] <gordonjcp> Nobun: none of them actually work in any meaningful sense
[10:19] <Nobun> you can however install vlc, for example
[10:19] <gordonjcp> yeah, no
[10:19] <Nobun> gordonjcp: why not?
[10:19] <Nobun> you are speaking about media PLAYERS
[10:19] <Nobun> and vlc is one of the best around the net
[10:19] <gordonjcp> I don't like vlc, and in any case it's a solution for a different problem to the one I have
[10:19] <gordonjcp> what I want is something I can point at a directory full of audio files, and have it play them
[10:20] <lotuspsychje> !discuss
[10:20] <gordonjcp> xmms would be great
[10:20] <Nobun> you can do it also in vlc
[10:20] <gordonjcp> yes, but it's got a godawful user interface
[10:20] <MarderIII> gordonjcp: mpg123 :-P
[10:20] <eeos> gordonjcp: tat is what vlc basically does ....
[10:20] <eeos> ikonia: so, you suggest I stay with ext4?
[10:20] <gordonjcp> rhythmbox is shipped with "normal" Ubuntu, and it looks awful and basically doesn't work
[10:20] <Nobun> gordonjcp: you can also do it by command line also that in UI
[10:20] <ikonia> eeos: I wouldn't make this hard
[10:21] <gordonjcp> eeos: how much do you know about zfs etc?
[10:21] <ikonia> eeos: just take reasonably regular backups
[10:21] <gordonjcp> eeos: if you're just getting started with this kind of thing then only climb one learning curve at a time
[10:22] <MarderIII> eeos: your funeral. I checked my collection (>10 years) and had an error rate of about 1.8 %
[10:22] <eeos> gordonjcp: in theory, all you want, in pratice I have not used them on our servers.
[10:22] <pitiye> guys i cannot find - gimp-python package - is it depreciated ?
[10:23] <eeos> ikonia: MarderIII: I always have a double backup .... using 3-2-1.
[10:23] <gordonjcp> eeos: I'd keep it simple
[10:23] <gordonjcp> eeos: I like simple, it's why I drive a 20-year-old Landrover and work on paging systems :-)
[10:23] <eeos> gordonjcp: is there a way to protect aginst bitrot in ext4
[10:23] <gordonjcp> eeos: bitrot isn't a thing
[10:24] <gordonjcp> eeos: if you have data randomly changing on disk, you have a faulty disk
[10:25] <MarderIII> gordonjcp: disagree. magnetic data can flip randomly. not a disk issue
[10:25] <gordonjcp> MarderIII: bullshit
[10:25] <gordonjcp> MarderIII: you will never see that happen in practice
[10:25] <lotuspsychje> lets keep it family friendly gordonjcp
[10:25] <eeos> gordonjcp: :D :D :D :D .... OK, bit level damage .... you call it shovel we call it a spade
[10:25] <MarderIII> gordonjcp: again disagree..
[10:26] <gordonjcp> MarderIII: not unless you're strapping your hard disks to NMR magnets or something
[10:26] <gordonjcp> eeos: it doesn't happen
[10:26] <gordonjcp> lotuspsychje: sorry :-)
[10:26] <gordonjcp> at least, it doesn't happen in the sort of conditions your data will ever face
[10:26] <MarderIII> gordonjcp: Ok lets agree to disagree.
[10:26] <lotuspsychje> and please use another channel for debates/discussions leave the room for ubuntu issues
[10:27] <eeos> gordonjcp: well, EM radiation can flip bits.
[10:27] <gordonjcp> yeah, we should take this to -ot
[10:27] <eeos> lotuspsychje: you are right, sorry.
[10:27] <gordonjcp> eeos: not on a hard disk, and not in anything less than hazardous-to-life levels
[10:41] <eeos> gordonjcp: I guess I should stop microwaving the HDs then .... umpf.
[10:44] <CorvusCorax> Hi. I got a new laptop. I want to install ubuntu. it booted from USB stick, but I have no internet, wifi driver is missing. there's a dkms package for it, but i cannot install it, since - no internet. any idea how to do that?
[10:45] <eeos> CorvusCorax: normally, it does ask you to connect to internet during installation. What happened during that step?
[10:46] <coredumb90> I've set some custom shortcuts on alt+shift+[1-0]
[10:46] <coredumb90> they all work except 8 and 9 which gives alt+shift+( and ) on my keymap
[10:46] <coredumb90> same issue with ctrl+alt+( that doesn't work while ) does...
[10:46] <coredumb90> Any idea where I should look at?
[10:46] <jeremy31> CorvusCorax: USB tethering to a smart phone would work
[10:48] <CorvusCorax> @eeos when the stick boots i have two options: "install" or "try ubuntu" - i did the latter first to see if all hardware is supported. lspci finds the wifi card, but theres no module for it
[10:48] <eeos> coredumb90: go to "Keyboard shortcuts" in the settings.
[10:48] <CorvusCorax> @jeremy31 thanks, ill look up how to do that
[10:49] <fructose> CorvusCorax: If there is some package for it, there are a few ways to install them offline...
[10:49] <fructose> CorvusCorax: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingSoftware#Installing_packages_without_an_Internet_connection
[10:49] <eeos> CorvusCorax: did you check wheter you ardware was supported?
[10:51] <CorvusCorax> @fructose: thanks that's an awesome link
[10:51] <fructose> CorvusCorax: Also, one of my wifi cards stopped working the last time Ubuntu released a new kernel, but still works fine under 5.4
[10:52] <MarderIII> CorvusCorax: try command lshw to find out make and version of wifi card. Then try to find out the linux kernel module that should be loaded at boot
[10:52] <coredumb90> eeos That's where I set them yes
[10:52] <MarderIII> worst case.. you have to recompile the kernel and drivers to match your hardware.. :-(
[10:54] <CorvusCorax> @marderIII I used lspci ;)  it's a realtek RTL8821CE - that should work using dkms and driver from git repo
[10:55] <CorvusCorax> my issue was that i have no git and no build tools . but i think USB tethering should fix it. or maybe i can find a USB wifi adapter somewhere, that should work too
[10:55] <CorvusCorax> i figures i could simply plug in an ethernet cable, but this laptop doesnt actually have any wired ethernet
[10:57] <MarderIII> CorvusCorax: thats exactly why I keep a usb to ethernet gadget around.. ;-)
[10:57] <CorvusCorax> I stole a USB wifi dongle from a colleague, that's working :)
[10:58] <CorvusCorax> now I only need to get the internal wifi to work before he comes back
[11:04] <gordonjcp> eeos: that's basically how hard you'd have to go at it
[11:18] <coredumb90> eeos any other idea ?
[11:21] <CorvusCorax> I am running into another problem now
[11:22] <CorvusCorax> i built the wifi driver from source. but when i try to insmod i get "unsigned module loading is restricted"
[11:22] <CorvusCorax> how do i get that module signed?
[11:22] <CorvusCorax> would dkms sign it automatically?
[11:24] <jeremy31> CorvusCorax: disable Secure Boot in BIOS
[11:25] <CorvusCorax> I'm actually not sure if secure boot *can* be disabled on that device. i need to check
[11:26] <jeremy31> CorvusCorax: either that or you will have to figure out how to use mokutil to sign the module
[11:30] <CorvusCorax> https://ubuntu.com/blog/how-to-sign-things-for-secure-boot  this looks pretty straightforward
[11:39] <eeos> sorry, work emergency meeting!
[11:39] <eeos> brb
[12:56] <pitiye> guys help me to find gimp-python package for 20.10
[12:58] <Maik> pitiye: idi you try using apt search?
[12:58] <Maik> idid/did
[12:58] <pitiye> its not in apt search
[12:59] <EriC^^> !info gimp-python
[12:59] <Maik> then there's no package like that
[12:59] <pitiye> oh
[13:00] <pitiye> so how do i use gimp python plugins ?
[13:00] <Maik> better ask in #gimp
[13:01] <pitiye> Maik: thanks - i just posted there
[13:01] <Maik> ok, yw
[13:02] <ogra> gimp-python is a python2 package, python2 is unsupported since jan 1st
[13:04] <ogra> (seemingly the gimp devs have not managed to port to py3 yet (not like it hasnt been known that py2 would be unsupported in 2020 since many years))
[13:04] <Maik> ah, i somehow thought that might have been it
[13:04] <Maik> thanks ogra
[13:04] <ogra> np
[13:05] <Maik> pitiye: ^^^
[13:05] <Maik> 20.04, 20.10 and onward do not ship python 2 stuff anymore
[13:06] <pitiye> oh ! so only option is scriptfu
[13:06] <pitiye> okay - i will take that way
[13:10] <coredumb90> I'll ask again as maybe someone knows
[13:10] <coredumb90> I've set some custom shortcuts on alt+shift+[1-0]
[13:10] <coredumb90> they all work except 8 and 9 which gives alt+shift+( and ) on my keymap
[13:10] <coredumb90> same issue with ctrl+alt+( that doesn't work while ) does...
[13:11] <coredumb90> Any idea where I should look at why the shortcut fails?
[13:23] <tjmaj> anyone know where destop choices listed for sddm config ??
[13:24] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[13:40] <tuxinator> BluesKaj: Hello ;-)
[13:40] <BluesKaj> hi tuxinator
[13:56] <frad> what cli can I use as a timer? I basically want t clock to count how many hours I am away
[13:56] <frad> not very memory consuming
[14:10] <tuxinator> frag: well you could hit "date"
[14:10] <tuxinator> and hit again when back :D
[14:10] <tuxinator> or buy a Swiss Watch and check it :D
[14:10] <tuxinator> (i am swiss)
[14:11] <MarderIII> "time bash" and then exit as you return?
[14:13] <tuxinator> MarderIII: my solutions need less memory probably -> atleast the watch one :D :D :D
[14:14] <MarderIII> tuxinator: I've always been one for the brute force approach :-)
[14:14] <tuxinator> MarderIII: brute force rocks
[14:15] <MarderIII> BFMI Brute Force & Massive Ignorance :-D
[14:16] <tuxinator> :D
[14:24] <MarderIII> frad: "time read" and hit return at the end works, and uses less memory than bash ;-)
[14:41] <SneakyNick> I'm having problem finding a particular piece of information. It's about disk usage analyzer. After scanning an area, the numbers (folder size) are color coded, as the chart on right hand side. What do the colors represent?
[14:42] <SneakyNick> Google won't say. I have really really tried looking for it. The documentation on software website doesn't tell either.
[14:43] <SneakyNick> I suspect it got something to do with fragmentation or filling up the disk, but its speculation.
[14:43] <Habbie> it's probably not fragmentation
[14:44] <SneakyNick> the colors i get, in disk usage analyzer, is red, blue and green,
[14:44] <Habbie> i see it
[14:45] <SneakyNick> i get the impression those colors convey information, that they are more than aesthetics.
[14:47] <Habbie> "By default, the scan results show each subfolder as the section of a ring, comprising an angle proportional to the size of the relevant folder. Sub-folders are shown in different colors, as additional layers around the inner ring."
[14:47] <SneakyNick> Or maybe it is, aesthetics, for making chart more readable. Seems to be about which folders and files are stored where.
[14:48] <Habbie> SneakyNick, i suspect that, yes - allowing you to match up information from the left and right panes
[14:49] <SneakyNick> Probably, if it was something more I'd probably find something on google.
[14:49] <SneakyNick> Thanks for thinking loud.
[14:50] <Habbie> :)
[14:59] <coredumb90> I've set some custom shortcuts on alt+shift+[1-0]
[14:59] <coredumb90> they all work except 8 and 9 which gives alt+shift+( and ) on my keymap
[14:59] <coredumb90> same issue with ctrl+alt+( that doesn't work while ) does...
[14:59] <coredumb90> Any idea where I should look at?
[14:59] <coredumb90> It doesn't seem like these shortcuts are used by any defaults :/
[16:50] <frad> what cli can I use as a timer? I basically want t clock to count how many hours I am away
[16:50] <frad> not very memory consuming
[16:57] <hofer> time cat   and  Ctrl c to stop it
[17:00] <hofer> time read   enter to stop
[17:00] <hofer> frad ^
[17:04] <frad> hofer, thanks. Can those commands show current timing?
[17:04] <frad> if I enter them I see nothing. They start counting but I don't see current timing
[17:09] <mirazi_heket> hey, are there any plans to introduce kernel 5.10 to ubuntu 21.04?
[17:11] <leftyfb> !ubuntu+1 | mirazi_heket
[17:13] <mirazi_heket> thanks
[17:22] <arooni> how do i backup any gnome/tweaks/gdm settings
[17:22] <arooni> i ama bout to reinstall
[17:23] <arooni> and have already backed up all of /home/ /usr/ /var/ /etc/
[17:37] <leftyfb> arooni: unfortunately, I have found that to be a pretty tedious task. You really don't need /usr/ and /var. And you most definitely should never just restore those directories back to a new install. I don't even do that with my home dir
[17:38] <leftyfb> arooni: some things can be found out by looking in gsettings/dconf. But there are some things that you just can't set from the CLI by dumping files back, or at least I can't find all of them.
[17:38] <leftyfb> arooni: I'm currently working on an ansible playbook that will build my laptop back to about 98% of it's original config after a fresh install.
[17:52] <arooni> thanks for that advice leftyfb ;  i definitely want to take advantage of the reinstall to start fresh in a lot of ways
[17:53] <arooni> but i kind of like how the gdm/gui/tweaks/ are set up so a little sad to lose those
[17:53] <arooni> we spoke about this the last time i asked about this topic; but there's *no* reason to pick xfs for a single user systemr ight?  just ext4 and one big partition for everything?  it's a 500 gb ssd
[17:54] <leftyfb> arooni: then I would suggest pick and choose files to get restore: "Pictures, Music, Video, Documents, ssh keys". For configs, look into where they are stored. Thunderbird for instance is ~/.thunderbird. For anything gnome-y, look into gsettings for what you have changed and maybe write a script or using something like ansible to put it all back the way you like it
[17:54] <leftyfb> arooni: some of those tweaks can be saved and rewritten as gsettings commands
[17:54] <leftyfb> arooni: just use ext4
[18:04] <code-witch> hello, i am not able to `sudo apt-get update` I am getting GPG errors. I searched around the net, they asked to edit the sources.list file, i did that too by generating sources in the Ubuntu Sources List Generator but still in vain
[18:04] <code-witch> can someone help me?
[18:04] <oerheks> code-witch,  on what ubuntu version?
[18:06] <code-witch> bionic-beaver, 18.04 LTS
[18:07] <code-witch> oerheks
[18:07] <oerheks> try; sudo rm -rf /var/lib/apt/lists >>> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PackageManagerTroubleshootingProcedure
[18:07] <oerheks> then run updates again; sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade
[18:08] <oerheks> if those gpg errors persist, pastebin the update output please
[18:08] <oerheks> !paste
[18:12] <code-witch> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/J6nrDWjVDf/
[18:12] <code-witch> the gpg errors persist oerheks
[18:14] <ianliu> I've installed Ubuntu 64bits on my Raspberry Pi; now I'm trying to mount a CIFS volume, but I'm getting "cifs_mount failed w/return code = -2". I've seen on the internet that adding vers=1.0 to the options could resolve the issue, but it doesn't in my case. Any hints?
[18:16] <oerheks> code-witch, maybe your .in archive is out of dat/closed, try to set the mirror to 'main' and try again?
[18:16] <oerheks> seen this a lot, university mirrors that shut down
[18:16] <ianliu> I'm able to list the shares with smbclient -L server -U WORK\\ian
[18:17] <oerheks> or choose one that is up2date > https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors
[18:19] <code-witch> https://repogen.simplylinux.ch/generate.php
[18:19] <code-witch> i am using this in my list now
[18:19] <oerheks> no need for that tool, just change mirror in update sttings
[18:20] <leftyfb> code-witch: check the date/time on your machine
[18:21] <code-witch> in update settings it is set to main
[18:22] <code-witch> and date time setting is correct according to where i live
[18:29] <oerheks> weird, is your system RO read only? check with :  touch <filename>
[18:31] <code-witch> i can do everything except apt update
[18:31] <code-witch> is this because of less space or something
[18:33] <code-witch> i have v-box installed and lot of virtual-machines
[18:42] <code-witch> no other suggestions anyone
[18:43] <oerheks> no clue further, code-witch :-(
[18:52] <legonick> Hello!  What are reasonable rsync "setup/teardown" times on a 512 kilobit/second line?  I'm seeing 16-21 seconds and that seems super-slow....
[18:52] <legonick> Trying to figure out if I'm QOSed or what.
[19:10] <Farioko> Hi :)
[19:29] <Farioko> How do I reset lxd?
[19:30] <Farioko> I just wanna start over, remove everything, containers, network configurations etc.
[19:34] <atari2600a> hey, I'm getting a held sdl2 after running the retropie script due to a conflict
[19:34] <atari2600a> any ideas on how to fix it? the usuals aren't working eg apt --fix-broken install, sudo apt-get install -f, dpkg --reconfigure, etc
[19:35] <atari2600a> no custom repos so whatever compiled & install was /usr/local'd.
[19:38] <Manouchehri> what does ubuntu 20.04 server use for configuring networks now?
[19:39] <Farioko> yaml
[19:39] <Manouchehri> netplan?
[19:39] <Farioko> yes
[19:40] <atari2600a> damn fine maybe I'll ask the cool kids over at #debian or ##linux.  i's not my fault y'all sold out to microsoft 12 years ago then stagnated
[19:40] <Manouchehri> hmm, kinda confused how netplan is different than NetworkManager
[19:40] <Manouchehri> or systemd
[19:41] <atari2600a> networkmanager is a nightmare with multiple connections.  it's more an end-user tool.
[19:41] <atari2600a> I wouldn't trust systemd-networkd to have that kind of maturity either.
[19:42] <Manouchehri> which backend does netplan use by default?
[19:42] <Manouchehri> says it can use NetworkManager or networkd
[19:46] <Manouchehri> ugh yeah this is a PITA to use
[19:49] <Farioko> netplan makes things a lot easier imho when handling many interfaces
[19:49] <Manouchehri> it's going to be a mess with scripts and namespaces.
[19:53] <Manouchehri> https://techpiezo.com/linux/switch-back-to-ifupdown-etc-network-interfaces-in-ubuntu/
[19:53] <Manouchehri> worked like a charm :)
[19:54] <Manouchehri> oh
[19:54] <Manouchehri> looks like it might be easier to use netplan in my situation.. oops
[20:00] <AppXprt> where is the aptitude / apt channel?
[20:02] <coconut> AppXprt, do this: /msg alis list apt
[20:03] <AppXprt> wow, how can apt not have any channel
[20:04] <leftyfb> AppXprt: do you have a support question?
[20:05] <AppXprt> with apt, wouldn't it be better to collect kernel changes and apply them all at the same time, so generating kernel once instead of throughout the apt run each time it has an update... It slows upgrades down to do multiple updates to kernel instead of doing them all at once at the end of an update..........
[20:05] <AppXprt> collect the updates and apply kernel changes at the end of apt run
[20:05] <AppXprt> instead of multiple kernel changes during individual apt installs
[20:06] <AppXprt> say you do an upgrade.. kernel might get updated 2 or 3 times for different installs... Why not collect these changes and apply them once?
[20:06] <AppXprt> the way it works no is rather insane
[20:07] <tdmainiac> hi
[20:07] <matsaman> hi td
[20:08] <tdmainiac> im forcing a chromebook to run ubuntu
[20:09] <matsaman> tdmainiac: mmm, chromebooks frequently have ideal hardware for GNU/Linux, given they were actually QA'd for Linux
[20:21] <`ajven> Helllo, trying to install displaylink-drivers but taking error ERROR (code 3): Failed to build evdi/4.2.29. Consult /var/lib/dkms/evdi/4.2.29/build/make.log for details.. / maybe someone can help with that?
[20:26] <oerheks> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evdi we have the driver in our repos?
[20:26] <oerheks> else why such old one, https://www.displaylink.com/downloads/ubuntu gives 5.3.1
[20:28] <`ajven> Hello, trying to build displaylink-driver-4.2.29 but taking error - ERROR (code 3): Failed to build evdi/4.2.29. Consult /var/lib/dkms/evdi/4.2.29/build/make.log for detailss. Someone can help with this?
[20:44] <Ubun00by> hello could someone please help me troubleshoot why my systemd script is not executing properly on before shutdown/reboot
[20:45] <Ubun00by> https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/hFpgcZXxDr/
[20:45] <Ubun00by> execstop works just fine when manually triggering systemctl
[20:47] <BWhitten> good evening all I am trying to chase down performance of a SDHC card operating in SDR104 mode and I find using the same laptop dual booting, a fresh card with FAT32 partition, in Windows with CrystalDiskMark I get writes of 67MB/s, in Linux using dd from memory I get 24MB/s. Read speeds match between operating systems and I'm at a loss to where my write performance has gone
[20:50] <Ubun00by> my journal spits out this when stopping the service, only before a shutdown sequence (i can stop it manually without error): pam_systemd(su:session): Failed to create session: Transaction for session-c6.scope/start is destructive (user-0.slice has 'stop' job queued, but 'start' is included in transaction
[20:56] <sarnold> BWhitten: what block size?
[20:59] <BWhitten> sarnold: I varied block size to try and find the best but just went with 256MB, anything above 512 seemed to give 24MB/s throughput
[21:03] <pavlos> Ubun00by: can you change After=network-online.target to After=network.target and test?
[21:03] <Ubun00by> ok i will try now
[21:04] <sarnold> BWhitten: funny, I would expected something like 16KB to be the point where it levels off.
[21:04] <Ubun00by> pavlos: should i keep requires the same?
[21:04] <pavlos> Ubun00by: yes, please do
[21:04] <sarnold> BWhitten: are you writing to the raw device or to files in the filesystem? maybe the linux fat implementation isn't as polished / fast / etc as the windows one
[21:05] <BWhitten> sarnold: tried both a file in FAT32 and into the partition direct
[21:05] <frostschutz> hope you don't literally use MB/KB units (power of 1000 instead 1024) for dd blocksize... also too large blocks can make things slower
[21:06] <sarnold> I always type in bytes myself to avoid that problem
[21:06] <pavlos> Ubun00by: I have a Wake-on-LAN script, very similar to yours, the only diff is I use network.target instead of network-online.target
[21:06] <sarnold> because I don't know what some stupid tool is going to pick
[21:06] <Ubun00by> pavlos: but my problem isn't when waking
[21:07] <Ubun00by> pavlos: it's stopping the service prior to shutdown that is the issue
[21:07] <pavlos> Ubun00by: upon shutdown, my script resets the nic
[21:08] <BWhitten> sarnold: frostschutz: I can do either the lower powers of two a specified bytes and it capped out at 24MB/s straight away
[21:09] <Ubun00by> pavlos: rebooting now :)
[21:10] <sarnold> BWhitten: what input source are you writing to the card? sometimes that's the limiting factor..
[21:11] <sarnold> BWhitten: is this a dual boot system or moving the card from machine to machine?
[21:12] <BWhitten> sarnold: I've tried /dev/zero, /dev/zero thats been moved into tmp, and urandom from a tmp file same result. Dual boot system to try and remove variables
[21:13] <sarnold> cool cool. urandom was my guess, I think I remember seeing ~24MBps from it in the past, hehe
[21:13] <sarnold> but /dev/zero ought to be pretty fast
[21:14] <Habbie> BWhitten, moving /dev/zero into tmp would not change its speed, btw
[21:14] <BWhitten> sarnold: yeh thats why I first made the temp file in ram from urandom so I wouldn't be gated on how fast I can pump out 'random'
[21:14] <Habbie> urandom provides 40MB/sec on my super beefy laptop; zero provides 14GB/sec
[21:15] <BWhitten> Habbie: gotcha good to know thanks
[21:15] <sarnold> that's more zeros per second than I expected :)
[21:16] <lordcirth_> Habbie, if you need randomness fast: openssl enc -aes-256-ctr -pass pass:"$(dd if=/dev/urandom bs=256 count=1 2>/dev/null | base64)" -nosalt < /dev/zero
[21:16] <Habbie> lordcirth_, i don't, but thanks :)
[21:16] <sarnold> bs=$((1024 * 1024)) .. 22.4 GB/s  --- I'm starting to question what exactly it is doing, even
[21:16] <Ubun00by> pavlos: same error
[21:16] <pavlos> Ubun00by: hmmm ...
[21:17] <lordcirth_> Some flash devices will recognize that you are writing zeros to a trimmed sector, and do nothing
[21:17] <lordcirth_> And just mark it used
[21:17] <Habbie> lordcirth_, and perhaps even trim it for you if it was not trimmed
[21:23] <Ubun00by> pavlos: pam_systemd(su:session): Failed to create session: Transaction for session-c4.scope/start is destructive (user.slice has 'stop' job queued, but 'start' is included in transaction).
[21:23] <sarnold> lordcirth__: heh, yeah, that's where I was headed with the question, wondering if crystal mark may have been writing all zeros but if the linux test were using a distribution iso, going about half speed would feel pretty right ;)
[21:24] <Ubun00by> pavlos: and if i remove the Before dependencies, it whines about systemd-reboot.service instead of the user.slice with the exact same error
[21:25] <Ubun00by> pavlos: sometimes the script executes properly before shutdown and sometimes it doesn't... it always gives me that error in the journal before stopping the service prior to shutting down
[21:27] <pavlos> Ubun00by: do you have any files in /run/systemd/system/ dir?
[21:29] <BWhitten> sarnold: crystal was set to random test data
[21:31] <cheater> hi
[21:32] <cheater> the info command line tool in ubuntu seems to be somehow broken. all it does is display man pages, instead of the extended docs. it does not find any of the documentation nodes that should be there. how do i fix this? i'm on ubuntu 18.04.5.
[21:34] <oerheks> one needs dman for that? http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/bionic/man1/dman.1.html
[21:35] <Habbie> I wouldn't expect one to need dman for that
[21:35] <sarnold> cheater: which info pages specifically? I think some packages split out their info pages to other packages
[21:36] <cheater> for example, info make, or info info
[21:36] <cheater> info make just displays the man page. the man page says the info page for make should contain more things.
[21:36] <cheater> info info just plain doesn't work, it displays an error (info: No menu item 'info-stnd' in node '(dir)Top')
[21:37] <sarnold> cheater: try sudo apt install make-doc && info make
[21:37] <cheater> sarnold: is there a way to install the doc packages for everything i have installed?
[21:37] <Ubun00by> pavlos: yes
[21:38] <sarnold> cheater: not that I know off hand
[21:38] <Ubun00by> pavlos: netplan-ovs-cleanup.service  systemd-networkd.service.wants
[21:38] <cheater> sarnold: how do i install the info pages for info? those are missing too
[21:39] <oerheks> sudo mandb # would update/cleanup ?
[21:39] <cheater> oerheks: we're talking about info, not man. two different documentation systems
[21:40] <oerheks> oops, missed tha
[21:40] <sarnold> cheater: what's the output of namei -l /usr/share/info/info-stnd.info.gz  ?
[21:41] <cheater> the file doesn't exist at all
[21:41] <cheater> also: $ dpkg -S /usr/share/info/info-stnd.info.gz
[21:41] <cheater> dpkg-query: no path found matching pattern /usr/share/info/info-stnd.info.gz
[21:43] <cheater> sarnold: are you sure the path is correct? does it exist on your system?
[21:44] <sarnold> cheater: I checked on a 20.04 system but I figured info probably hasn't changed since 1999 or something..
[21:44] <cheater> yeah, i would be surprised if it did. what does the same command say on your system?
[21:44] <sarnold> cheater: is this a docker instance perhaps? I think they configure dpkg to not write a lot of things
[21:44] <cheater> no. full desktop.
[21:45] <sarnold> $ dpkg -S /usr/share/info/info-stnd.info.gz
[21:45] <sarnold> info: /usr/share/info/info-stnd.info.gz
[21:45] <cheater> weird. why doesn't my info contain that?
[21:45] <sarnold> cheater: oh strange. an 18.04 system shows the same thing. maaaaan.
[21:46] <cheater> which thing? yours or mine?
[21:46] <sarnold> info ed works great
[21:46] <cheater> yeah, same here
[21:46] <cheater> info make works great after installing make-doc
[21:47] <cheater> dpkg -L info shows no info pages.
[21:47] <cheater> can you pastebin your dpkg -L info from your 20.04 system?
[21:48] <sarnold> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/n3CkVCG6ZQ/
[21:49] <sarnold> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/TgK3ZZbdPf/
[21:49] <sarnold> crazy
[21:49] <sarnold> I'm sorry I didn't check the 18.04 system right off the bat :(
[21:49] <cheater> that's fine don't worry
[21:50] <cheater> so can we say the info package on 18.04 is just broken?
[21:50] <cheater> i assume the first paste is from 20.04 and the second is from 18.04
[21:50] <sarnold> yeah
[21:51] <cheater> what are the steps towards getting this fixed?
[21:55] <sarnold> cheater: so... skimming the changelogs, nothing stands out as an obvious fix for this, but 6.6.0.dfsg.1-2 has "  * Use dh_missing instead of dh_install --fail-missing" -- of the things I see, that feels plausible.. https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/texinfo/+changelog
[21:56] <sarnold> that was 2019, between 18.04 and 20.04..
[21:56] <cheater> hmm not really sure what you're refering to?
[21:56] <cheater> ah
[21:56] <cheater> ok, but 18.04 is LTS. so how do we fix the package in 18.04?
[21:58] <sarnold> cheater: I think, download both packages, diff the debian/ directories in each to figure out what changed, and then try building the package again with those changes one at a time to see if any of those changes fix it
[22:01] <s2r> I'm running ubuntu 16.04 with MSSSQL Server 2017. Has anybody upgraded to 18.04 or a newer version?
[22:05] <oerheks> s2r, sure there are, read the releasenotes .. 'MS SQL Server 2017'??
[22:06] <oerheks> that binairy blob is not suported, AFAIK
[22:07] <oerheks> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/ReleaseNotes
[22:07] <cheater> sarnold: what i mean is, how do we fix the package for everyone using 18.04 ?
[22:09] <s2r> oerheks: I would like to follow a proven path to upgrage Ubuntu and MSSQL if necessary.
[22:10] <oerheks> s2r, see upgrae notes, and check out with microsoft about their upgrade experience?
[22:10] <oerheks> a post on askubuntu could give a wider audience too
[22:11] <s2r> oerheks: I would try that, thank you.
[22:31] <leonardus> Is anyone here running Ubuntu on a Surface Laptop 3? I'd like to know whether it just works out of the box or if there's any special setup that needs to be done.
[22:39] <ash123>  hi guys! I installed ubuntu 20.04 on my laptop. But the screen freezes randomly, touchpad stops workign sometimes. Model: HP envy with AMD Ryzen 5 2500U. Please help!
[22:40] <oerheks> leonardus, not out of the box.. https://github.com/linux-surface/linux-surface i would not, lots of issues...
[22:41] <oerheks> also https://askubuntu.com/questions/1112379/can-i-run-ubuntu-on-a-surface-laptop  and https://www.reddit.com/r/SurfaceLinux/
[22:44] <oerheks> ash123, i find ..
[22:44] <oerheks> "Also -- if you want to enable touchpad, change the touchpad option from Advanced to Basic in the BIOS & reboot -- works great."
[22:44] <oerheks> http://kulminaator.blogspot.com/2018/06/linux-on-amd-ryzen-2500u-powered-laptop.html
[22:45] <oerheks> and much more tips/tweaks
[23:17] <metbsd> can i use dd to create a usb installation?
[23:18] <summonner> use balena etcher
[23:18] <metbsd> im in linux
[23:18] <metbsd> arch
[23:19] <metbsd> will dd work?
[23:19] <summonner> oh you know it then?
[23:19] <metbsd> i have dd
[23:19] <metbsd> i don't
[23:19] <RoseBus> hello, i'm following these instructions for building appimage and i'm getting weird output
[23:19] <RoseBus> https://github.com/AppImage/AppImageKit/blob/master/README.md#building
[23:19] <imi> hi, I'm running apt upgrade in screen and it says dpkg-reconfigure: can't (re)open stdin: no such file or directory how big of a problem is this?
[23:20] <RoseBus> this is the output: https://bpa.st/XAFA
[23:20] <metbsd> dd? summonner
[23:20] <summonner> metbsd, sorry this is an ubuntu channel not an arch channel
[23:20] <oerheks> dd should do fine, make sure you use sync after that
[23:21] <tomreyn> imi: are oyu trying to do an unattended upgrade?
[23:21] <metbsd> you mean like bs=4M?
[23:21] <oerheks> bs=4M && sync
[23:21] <metbsd> use sync after that? what does that mean
[23:21] <oerheks> that flushes the cash, as the prompt might give you the idea the task is complete
[23:22] <oerheks> c/cache
[23:22] <imi> tomreyn: not really. it's meant to be an interactive upgrade, the screen is just there for the possibility of the ssh connection to break
[23:22] <tomreyn> metbsd: i'm sure arch have their own support channel, though
[23:22] <metbsd> sync all cache to flash drive?
[23:22] <oerheks> jups
[23:22] <metbsd> but im trying to install ubuntu here. not arch
[23:23] <metbsd> ok im gonna install ubuntu on efi
[23:23] <metbsd> is it gonna be ok
[23:23] <metbsd> replace lvm
[23:23] <imi> does it matter whether I issue apt-get dist-upgrade or apt upgrade? which one should be preferred?
[23:23] <metbsd> i have two lvm one root one swap
[23:24] <tomreyn> imi: hmm, it's unusual that there is no /dev/stdin, though
[23:24] <metbsd> two ovs
[23:24] <metbsd> lvs
[23:24] <metbsd> i wanna run a binary based
[23:24] <oerheks> imi yes it does differ, i always run full-upgrade to avoid packages held back
[23:24] <metbsd> linux distro
[23:24] <metbsd> i don't want to compile anymore
[23:24] <oerheks> !distupgrade
[23:25] <tomreyn> imi: is this some special ubuntu variant? running under windows, running in a container, or with a non default kernel?
[23:25] <metbsd> ubuntu is a good choice right?
[23:25] <imi> also, now that I think about it it's not an ubuntu issue it's a raspbian issue, sorry :(
[23:25] <metbsd> is ubuntu a good desktop distro
[23:26] <oerheks> really?
[23:26] <tomreyn> imi: ah, that's quite different, and i think they have a support channel of their own
[23:26] <imi> metbsd: according to whom? according to me yes it is. according to some of my frends no it is not
[23:26] <imi> tomreyn: ok thanks for the help
[23:26] <tomreyn> you're welcome
[23:27] <tomreyn> metbsd: do you intend to switch to ubuntu on a weekly basis? i'm sure you asked these and related questions before
[23:28] <imi> oerheks: what is the command for "full-upgrade" on ubuntu?