 Any UBPorts PinePhone peeps?
 @wednesdayendless [Any UBPorts PinePhone peeps?], https://t.me/utonpine
 @Oliv4945 [Is there a `tab` key in the integrated keyboard? Would be handy in the terminal …], tips for the terminal … Tap on screen for Tab … Swipe up/down for bash history … 2 finger swipe up/down for scrollingg 😉
 @Fuseteam [yes], okay, it works fine on the pinephone … so possibly an issue on Nexus 5
 anyone else with a Nexus 5 and a BT keyboard? … `Alt + Tab` is acting up on devel...it seems 😅
 @Oliv4945 [Is there a `tab` key in the integrated keyboard? Would be handy in the terminal …], tap the screen in the terminal app
 tap to tab swipe for arrow keys two finger swipe for mouse wheel
 hey I got him first 😝
 I was before either of you
 If we're playing that game :P
 mine is more complete 😆
 lol maybe :p
 @Javacookies [mine is more complete 😆], mine was more concise
 takes cover
 mine has an extra `g` in scrolling
 can't beat that, i concede :p
 Literal first. So chill.
 tap to tab >>> use shortcut layout :p
 actually I just use the OSK for history 😄
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 Hi, on the supported devices list it has Redmi Note 7, and Redmi 7. Are those phones different, or just an error in presenting the data, since one's got about 95% support, and the other's at 0%
 @TotalSonic [nice - is this the Lenovo Tab M10 FHD "Plus" (2nd gen from 2020) or the 2019 mod …], TB-X606F/TB-X606X. Marketing names seem weird
 Redmi Note 7 is supported by installer, Redmi 7 isn't. The data for Redmi Note 7 isn't updated
 @NotKit [Redmi Note 7 is supported by installer, Redmi 7 isn't. The data for Redmi Note 7 …], So I should get a Redmi Note 7, that's a safe bet, correct?
 yes
 I'm going to use it as a secondary device at this point
 Thanks!!!
 Much appreciate!
[09:21] <ubptgbot> kjivar was added by: kjivar
 we need to copy the ad blocking of Angelfish 😄
 so the latest version  of Firefox 84 in the Libertine repos crashes - but I was able to get Firefox-esr 78 to work in Libertine. It is laggy - but functional.  I got the deb from here - https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+build/20988477
 (Photo, 1080x2340) https://irc.ubports.com/tjDNBtIL.png
 (Photo, 1080x2340) https://irc.ubports.com/wdXEGz3Y.png
 (Photo, 2340x1080) https://irc.ubports.com/08tu0wYp.png
 (Photo, 1080x2340) https://irc.ubports.com/Y0HY1EAF.png
 @UniversalSuperBox [Does the Bq M10 have a notification LED?], Yes I can test if working on latest later
 @TotalSonic [<reply to media>], Is this natively on ubuntu touch or is it libertine?
 @just_carlod [Is this natively on ubuntu touch or is it libertine?], Libertine. No native Firefox exists yet.
 @rogieroudshoorn [the standard supports it. if a device implementation supports it of course, is a …], Thx
 I remember a long time ago someone made a thread on the forums full of extra terminal shortcut thingys as they're dead easy to make your own, I had an Emacs one 😆
 8 min to deliver a N5 from the visible parts of android with UBports installer: so great ! 👍
[17:19] <ubptgbot> klaartje_b was added by: klaartje_b
 I am running on a nexus 5 - and the default media player doesn't recognize the format of the default camera/video app... Is this usual? What's the best fix?
 @Javacookies [actually I just use the OSK for history 😄], smart 😂
 @PiecerEdd [I remember a long time ago someone made a thread on the forums full of extra ter …], i have a vim one :^3 but really it almost every ctrl shortcut you can imagine......
 @Paul [I am running on a nexus 5 - and the default media player doesn't recognize the f …], it is a known issue, the maintainers have been working on a fix for a while, it is not trivial to fix
 @Paul [I am running on a nexus 5 - and the default media player doesn't recognize the f …], https://open-store.io/app/utmedia.nfsprodriver
 Or https://open-store.io/app/uvideo.pavelprosto
 @Fuseteam [it is a known issue, the maintainers have been working on a fix for a while, it …], Cheers I'll try one of the suggestions libremax has kindly made.
 @libremax [Or https://open-store.io/app/uvideo.pavelprosto], Cheers!
 While I am here :) running uNav, it always sticks at 'waiting for GPS'... It does have permission in the GPS settings.
 @Paul [While I am here :) running uNav, it always sticks at 'waiting for GPS'... It doe …], you've waited long enough? GPS only takes a long while to get a fix
 why is it that GPS takes so long? it's not something that usually bothers me at all just curious more than anything 😆 I've got a dedicated GPS device that usually gets a lock within seconds, and my Android phone usually finds one within a minute too but UT seems to take forever
 Because it's only GPS not AGPS
 UT doesn't have assisted GPS through wifi/bluetooth MAC addresses like android does
 ahhh
 fair enough
 translation we need someone to tackle the challenge of AGPS :3
 i need a winning lottery ticket
 ive never really needed GPS on my phone, I find the battery drain is just too annoying 😆
 its fine for a quick look but like... if I'm doing a long bike ride where I actually need my route mapped out or whatever... my phone would absolutely not last long enough on battery
 @PiecerEdd [its fine for a quick look but like... if I'm doing a long bike ride where I actu …], eh? unless doing other heavy things, it should work fine. main issue on UT is no background services, and some other issues with app needing to be active and in foreground keeping screen on
 yeah, keeping the screen on is a big one (this isn't just a UT problem...)
 but on android, i use very little battery when tracking a bike ride using opentracks (with speed/cadence sensors), fitness band with gadgetbridge, and using bluetooth earbuds for music
 but that's of course with screen off and in my pocket
 I don't use sensors usually, I've hot an HR monitor but can't be arsed with it mostly, but I do use the earbuds/gadgetbridge! I used to do the, phone on handlebars with a map up onscreen thing though
 I did try keeping the screen on and relying on it coming up with notifications and stuff but even that kills battery especially if you keep having to turn the screen on fully to check your map
 [Edit] I did try keeping the screen off and relying on it coming up with notifications and stuff but even that kills battery especially if you keep having to turn the screen on fully to check your map
 We are live! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JpVH3CIwcA
 @UniversalSuperBox [Ubuntu Touch OTA-15 is here with improvements to our newest and most powerful de …], Rip still no mido
 there are some issues with systemd in 16.04 that will probably be resolved and better for us in 20.04 anyway
 5.10 is already officially released, given it's in debian testing
 5.10-rc6 is what's in the newkernel channel, the question is shouldn't it be the released 5.10 now
 @PiecerEdd [I did try keeping the screen off and relying on it coming up with notifications …], Yet another reason why I'm eager for my Volla.
 Alas, if not for this powercut I might have actually been able to view the Q&A live today.
 woot woot.  dtmf
 Watching the live q and a on my OnePlus 5t while installing Ubuntu via andronix on my OnePlus 7 Pro and typing this on my OnePlus 8T. My wife seems upset.
 Oh the 5t has UT installed on it.
 @drym4rch0n [Watching the live q and a on my OnePlus 5t while installing Ubuntu via andronix …], Maybe you're using one of hers?
 Question: is the ability to login with Firefox and use its password manager and bookmarks sync going to be implemented? It was mentioned here and seems like a great idea.
 @klaartje_b [Maybe you're using one of hers?], I wish she was that cool. She likes samsung and stock everything.
 nice...!  so push notifications back on FC? woot x2
[19:18] <ubptgbot> <Dolinta Cristian> Whats the situation with anbox on arm64 devices?
 we don't have arm64 anbox images yet
 @drym4rch0n [I wish she was that cool. She likes samsung and stock everything.], We can't have it all. My partner does not want to use UT either. But at least he has Sailfish OS.
 someone has a low battery
 @UniversalSuperBox [Ubuntu Touch OTA-15 is here with improvements to our newest and most powerful de …], I don't understand why you don't start developing some native apps that work well to bring users and the interest of programmers, after all the os is quite stable and performing perform
 @Man267 [I don't understand why you don't start developing some native apps that work wel …], Because there are just 24 hours in a day?
 @fredldotme it seems to be fixed it on op3t too
 Thanks Marius.  I've got your back
 @klaartje_b [Because there are just 24 hours in a day?], 😂😂😂 to OK 😂😂😂 I was simply saying that since the os is quite stable I would concentrate the resources of those who are working on it on native apps then bho I'm not a programmer so I don't know how much work involves creating an app from zero ... but for example rather than con
[19:26] <ubptgbot> tinuing to improve the browser I would do those two messaging apps ... I would test it more often if for example telegram worked slightly better
 @mariogrip [We are live! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JpVH3CIwcA], oke
 The new page is really great. Huge improvement.
 I myself would like one day if Ubports could stop always preparing for the next LTS and all the concurrent requirements it has, and reinventing the wheel e.g. with the browser and the OS UX (even when such things are required e.g. due to security concerns) and instead focus on numerous bugfixes and bringing back features which were
[19:30] <ubptgbot> lost from early versions of the OS/browser/etc.
 But a) to some extent their milestones actually will accommodate what I would prefer the focus to be on and b) as always it just comes down to resources which is totally understandable.
 A matter of time, money and hands on board.
 I wish Canonical would invest in Ubuntu Touch more.
 if features were removed, they were probably done so for a reason, and not likely something core devs will work on bringing back
 Mobile devices have shown themselves to be the future of compute, and UT presents a real honest challenger to Android.
 @praeluceo [I wish Canonical would invest in Ubuntu Touch more.], But canonical doesn't invest anything anymore as far as I know they are just good volunteers who work there
 @Man267 [But canonical doesn't invest anything anymore as far as I know they are just goo …], Yeah, I heard that too. Maybe secure some corporate sponsorships or hardware sponsors like with the branded PinePhone?
 @Javacookies explained that lack of individual tab history is (...albeit, inexplicably) due to some inherent limitation of Qtwebengine (so, not done for a comprehendable reason, but hopefully the engine can one day be patched) and everyone has said Libertine should regain it's broad functionality as shown under Vivid with the move t
[19:36] <ubptgbot> o Wayland and Focal (so, something core devs will indeed work on bringing back).
 [Edit] @Javacookies explained that Morph Browser's lack of individual tab history is (...albeit, inexplicably) due to some inherent limitation of Qtwebengine (so, not done for a comprehendable reason, but hopefully the engine can one day be patched) and everyone has said Libertine should regain it's broad functionality as shown unde
[19:37] <ubptgbot> r Vivid with the move to Wayland and Focal (so, something core devs will indeed work on bringing back).
 I wish Canonical were a more successful business.
 @praeluceo [I wish Canonical were a more successful business.], Canonical abandoned the project years ago and volunteers took it over.
 If you want UBPorts to be succesful, you could help in some way by giving your time, or make a donation. I made a small one today. I can't code and I do want to help.
 @TartanSpartan [I myself would like one day if Ubports could stop always preparing for the next …], you do realize keeping it up to date and working will attract developers to build applications for UT right?
 I do of course.
 what is needed is just more devs that could work on other features
 I just think a balance should be struck between long term and short term goals; that balance is already in place obviously because most OTA's are about bug fixes and gradual improvements rather than big leaps. But users' opinions on the nature of that balance will vary, as with everything else in the human experience.
 One would hope after the jump to 20.04 is achieved, the long term goals ("RIGHT time to start thinking about the next LTS guys!") could be put on the backburner and a pivot made to as much prioritisation on the short term as possible.
 Long term for me, I hope to improve my programming skills and help out where I can. Not least to aid my chances of permanent immigration.
 you realize this is literally the only time that we have been "working on moving to the next LTS" right?
 What about from Vivid to Xenial?
 vivid was not an LTS, and was already end of life long before UBports took over UT
 No, but moving to Xenial was "working on moving to the next LTS" (albeit not the most recent LTS, granted).
 it was more "work on moving to a still supported version of Ubuntu" and having that be an LTS made sense. it also made sense being the closest LTS to the current version of UT at the time, and which Canonical had already done a bunch of work on supporting
 that was also quite a long time ago. it's not like we finished the migration to 16.04 and then immediately started working on migrating to 20.04
 and we are skipping 18.04
 Of course.
 No disagreement there.
 and LTS is 5 years of support, so we shouldn't have to think about moving to a new LTS until 2024
 slide... push it.. :-0
 thanks for a good informative and fun one :)
 the point is that what you're asking for is how we literally already do things
 So just a function of time then.
 time and we aren't apple/google so don't own the whole stack, and are also at mercy of what upstreams (like ubuntu, debian, qt, etc…) want to spend their time on, as well
 we can want things all we want, but if we don't have resources to develop them, and upstreams (ie, qtwebengine devs) don't have time or interest to do the things either, we're not going to get them
 Time being a subset of resources.
 meet.jit.si/ubports-fun-afterparty
 if anyone wants to party :D
 @TartanSpartan [One would hope after the jump to 20.04 is achieved, the long term goals ("RIGHT …], no 16.04 reaches end of life this year 20.04 reaches end of life in 2025 the move is needed to get keep things working as application developers are moving away from whatever 16.04 ships: for example we cannot compile firefox for ut curren
[20:01] <ubptgbot> tly because we end up in a depedency loop, we cannot ask ubuntu to fix it because they'll reply "16.04 is end of life"
 I absolutely understand that, except for how you prefaced your message with "no".
 The two goals are not incompatible.
 the current work will guarentee things keep working for at least the coming 5 years
 @TartanSpartan [The two goals are not incompatible.], my "no" is that i'm saying they are no plans to work on update to 22.04 which is the next lts
 Ah, I see.
 the plan is to move to 20.04 because 16.04 is dead
 nothing more nothing less
 though, after 20.04 it might be much easier to also build for 22.04
 I figured so.
 it is a smaller jump i suppose :p
 which also means migrating wouldn't take as long as it does to go from 16.04 to 20.04
 [Edit] it is a much smaller jump i suppose :p
 yeah it's 4 year gap
 however, there's no plan to migrate to 22.04
 Indeed.
 but if we could easily, it might make sense to do that next year
 it never goes that smoothly tho
 either way, we have ~18 months to decide if we should
 I think it will depend if there'll be any benefits of 22.04
 and +24  more for 24.04
 A case where time is on our side.
 finally
 @dohbee [either way, we have ~18 months to decide if we should], or less if want to track LTS
 well 22.04 will have newer things in the base. and it will be maintained longer. i think if we can more closely follow ubuntu TLS releases, it would also be good for marketing
 @TartanSpartan [A case where time is on our side.], yeah time ain't on our side for 16.04
 @Fuseteam [or less if want to track LTS], well, that number is specifically based on the idea of switching at the time of the `.1` release of the LTS
 @dohbee [well, that number is specifically based on the idea of switching at the time of …], ah didn't think of that
 Good old point releases.
 yeah also re:libertine iirc it should be better after the update to wayland, xmir isn't exactly maintained anymore
 libertine needs a lot of work indeed, but it wasn't a finished product before UBports took over stuff, either
 My M10 would certainly rather be on the cutting edge rather than back in time in circa 2015. But, it is a patient one too.
 @drym4rch0n [Question: is the ability to login with Firefox and use its password manager and …], Firefox-esr 78 in Libertine is working although slow. There are currently zero plans for implementing anything else for it that I am aware of unless someone is willing to step up to the task.
 @TotalSonic [Firefox-esr 78 in Libertine is working although slow. There are currently zero p …], I didnt have any luck with it when I tried, but that was on the GSI on the xiaomi note 7. I'll see what happens on the OnePlus 5t port.
 @drym4rch0n [I didnt have any luck with it when I tried, but that was on the GSI on the xiaom …], Libertine is finicky, but the esr 78 version is good on Volla, which is similarly arm64 and Halium 9 based. But I don't think GSI builds will work well for Libertine.
 Hi. I try to access ubuntu touch recover on Meizu MX4 and I get this
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/0c4bZaok.jpeg
 Is it normal?
 [Edit] Hi. I try to access ubuntu touch recovery on Meizu MX4 and I get this
 Yes, you can't do much in recovery on the MX4. May I ask what you're trying to accomplish?
 I would like to go back to FlymeOS
 Any ideas?
 @NikosChat [I would like to go back to FlymeOS], Flash original Flyme recovery through fastboot and then flash Flyme in Flyme recovery mode.
[21:28] <ubptgbot> <Dolinta Cristian> Hi to al, i am new on this, but i watch the progress of ut and wait the time when ut release on redmi note 7, so now I can help community with testing. I'm QA, and want to help. So the question is where I can found some release notes, bugfixes on current RC version, may be test cases if someone write this for ut. Thaks for your a
[21:28] <ubptgbot> nswers.
 @Stefano0101 [Flash original Flyme recovery through fastboot and then flash Flyme in Flyme rec …], Do you know how to access fastboot so I can flash recovery image
[21:32] <ubptgbot> <Dolinta Cristian> What phone you use
[21:32] <ubptgbot> <Dolinta Cristian> Use adb
[21:32] <ubptgbot> <Dolinta Cristian> And fastboot commands
[21:33] <ubptgbot> <Dolinta Cristian> If use twp all is simple just flash zip vita flyme
[21:33] <ubptgbot> <Dolinta Cristian> If no enter in fast boot mode on phone and flash twrp or orange fox image
[21:34] <ubptgbot> <Dolinta Cristian> Use fastboot devices command to ensure that PC see phone
[21:34] <ubptgbot> <Dolinta Cristian> fastboot flash recovery recovery.img
[21:35] <ubptgbot> <Dolinta Cristian> Where recovery.img is your twrp or orange fox recovery. If have some questions you're wellcome to answer
 @Dolinta Cristian [Hi to al, i am new on this, but i watch the progress of ut and wait the time whe …], For what is going on, next OTA-16, have a look here: https://github.com/orgs/ubports/projects/25
 @Stefano0101 [Flash original Flyme recovery through fastboot and then flash Flyme in Flyme rec …], No, you have to flash OEM image with so flash tool
 @Stefano0101 [Flash original Flyme recovery through fastboot and then flash Flyme in Flyme rec …], [Edit] No, you have to flash OEM image with sp flash tool
[21:52] <ubptgbot> <Dolinta Cristian> @libremax [For what is going on, next OTA-16, have a look here: https://github.com/orgs/ubp …], Thanks.