[00:00] <superschnell> TJ-: hmm, when we ran Kanotix and their forks Aptosid/Siduction, etc. we had a guy running a winery in Australia booting up every one of his workstations from LiveCD with unionfs
[00:00] <sybariten> bummer. Well you cant always expect to make everything work live i guess
[00:00] <superschnell> Recently, I booted up a LiveCD to do a security check and I always end up (temporarily) installing so much stuff
[00:01] <sybariten> hehe yeeep
[00:01] <TJ-> sybariten: you'll see the overlay settings if you do "mount | grep overlay" and the mention of /cow/upper
[00:01] <sybariten> I've had a development machine running for ...hmmm....
[00:01] <superschnell> You could end up installing some security tool not distributed by default which in turn requires MySQL because they prefer it over SQLite or so
[00:02] <TJ-> I generally use throw-away LXC/LXD containers (for non graphical)
[00:02] <superschnell> I absolutely *love* the fact that LiveCDs allow you to do all that, it simply blows away Windows in terms of flexibility
[00:02] <superschnell> TJ-: perhaps I should try that
[00:02] <sybariten> well for quite some time   00:02:03 up 114 days, 20:48,  3 users,  load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00     i have a web server and some stuff on there.... vs code-server
[00:02] <TJ-> "lxc launch ubuntu:1804 my18.04; lxc exec my18.04 bash"
[00:03] <superschnell> TJ-: I'm not too familiar with LXD I'm a bit embarrassed to say
[00:03] <superschnell> I'm a PHP developer these days
[00:03] <TJ-> superschnell: complete OS root file-system including PID 1 init
[00:03] <sybariten> superschnell: liveCDs are the best invention since the desktop clipboard  :)
[00:04] <superschnell> TJ-: ok
[00:04] <superschnell> sybariten: :)
[00:04] <TJ-> superschnell: when initialised as a 'dir' type storage ("lxd init") then it's simply a tar file extracted to the file-system
[00:05] <TJ-> superschnell: meaning you can poke about in it from the host if needed, too
[00:05] <sybariten> it all started with knoppix, didn't it? Thats how it seemed anyhow, from a user perspective
[00:05] <superschnell> sybariten: it did. I shook Knopper's hand once, in 2005
[00:05] <sybariten> haha okay
[00:05] <sybariten> hahaha
[00:06] <superschnell> We built ours on top of his
[00:07] <TJ-> I have a "SourceCode" LVM ... I work on that fromthe host, but when I build I create a build container and 'mount' (map) its mountpoint into the container. That allows me to contain the build-dependencies and I can build on different releases to the host as well
[00:09] <sybariten> Thats something to put on the resume i guess. I once asked Ken Perlin a question..  around the same time maybe
[00:09] <superschnell> TJ-: I have to honestly admit that between Docker, LXD, chroot, etc. etc. I have difficulty to see the forest for the tree by now. And.. venv, and .. you know. I'm obviously conflating layers of abstraction, but stil
[00:09] <superschnell> sybariten: ;-)
[00:10] <TJ-> superschnell: yeah. I avoid docker itself although I do use some CRI-O stuff
[00:11] <superschnell> sybariten: I don't think Knopper took us very seriously back then, until we became competitors, haha
[00:11] <TJ-> superschnell: chroot is only really useful for repairing broken systems or creating an initial installation image
[00:11] <TJ-> can be handy to run a different architecture on the host in conjunction with qemu-user-static though
[00:12] <sybariten> OK sooo...     given a machine with a Win install and two ntfs devices, one small for the WIn OS and one bigger for storage .... there's no exotic way to install ubuntu onto the existing partitions without touching them too much, is there? I mean using something like an external bootloader off a USB stick or so
[00:12] <sybariten> strange idea perhaps
[00:13] <superschnell> Well
[00:13] <TJ-> there was once "wubi" that installed into the NTFS but that was dropped due to problems
[00:13] <sybariten> superschnell: ah so you were part of Ubuntu takeing shape from the beginning? And he's german right? You too perhaps
[00:13] <superschnell> You can load an ISO with persistent storage
[00:13] <superschnell> sybariten: Ubuntu? No certainly not
[00:13] <superschnell> sybariten: I'm Dutch, the name is a bit of a joke
[00:14] <superschnell> sybariten: I did have words with Linus Torvals once, and Shuttleworth too ;-)
[00:14] <TJ-> time for sleep; g'night
[00:14] <sybariten> superschnell: hmmm is that like one of those easy2boot solutions? I don't necessarily mean booting an actual .iso file, and im not sure that will help me with the mysql issue...
[00:14] <superschnell> goodnight TJ-
[00:14] <sybariten> superschnell: ah gotcha
[00:14] <superschnell> Developers are just prickly people
[00:14] <sybariten> TJ-: thanks for the help!
[00:15] <sybariten> I was just looking for, well, the least intrusive method to get ubuntu onto a laptop which already has a Win install, i guess
[00:15] <superschnell> sybariten: isn't your mysql issue sort of solved with the solution provided? You could adapt the apparmor profile manually as well?
[00:15] <superschnell> sybariten: there are some options
[00:15] <sybariten> superschnell: hm? I didn't realize there was any solution? You mean doing the apparmor parser thing or what?
[00:16] <sybariten> thought i was screwed with the idea of running mysql off a live OS
[00:16] <superschnell> 1. Use Windows and a VM. HyperV, VirtualBox, VMWare. 2. CoLinux 3. ISO on NTFS with persistent storage and Grub installed in the MBR
[00:16] <superschnell> 4. Who knows what else
[00:17] <kk4ewt> sybariten, until your persistant layer fills up then you are screwed
[00:17] <superschnell> There's also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Subsystem_for_Linux
[00:17] <superschnell> sybariten: you still haven't been able to start it? Why not?
[00:17] <superschnell> I thought TJ- had you delete the apparmor profile and successfully install?
[00:18] <superschnell> I'm working on this python program at the same time, sorry if I missed anything
[00:19] <superschnell> I mean, it's literally only apparmor standing in the way of postinst
[00:20] <superschnell> You could, in theory, modify the .deb and modify the ubuntu live image
[00:21] <superschnell> kk4ewt: the same goes for a root partition, no?
[00:22] <superschnell> sybariten: https://medium.com/@kasunmaduraeng/how-to-modify-and-repack-deb-package-436f8351af41
[00:23] <superschnell> sybariten: can't vouch for what's in there, small things might have changed
[00:23] <superschnell> But it's an adventure isn't it? So hack away! There's also: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization
[00:23] <superschnell> :)
[00:25] <superschnell> Admittedly, LiveCD customisation can be an elaborate process. But changing a single .deb or overriding a repo shouldn't be _too_ hard
[00:32] <sybariten> superschnell: OK! Will look into that, thank you for all the help!
[00:34] <sybariten> SPeaking of this subject...  you probably know the ins and outs of remasteringf a live OS. If i have a run-off-the-mill iso of, say, ubuntu... do you know the easiest way to remaster it in a way that every time i boot it up i have access to a certain script perhaps... or even that a tiny scrtipt is run upon every boot
[00:38] <superschnell> sybariten: it depends. You have to mount an ISO, copy everything to a folder, change what you want then create a new ISO from the folder. Expect to find e.g. a loop mount squashfs in there as well
[00:40] <superschnell> sybariten: some help here https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/80305/mounting-a-squashfs-filesystem-in-read-write
[00:40] <sybariten> OK. sounds doable. cool
[00:40] <superschnell> A lot has changed over the years
[00:40] <superschnell> Though, mostly for the better
[00:41] <superschnell> I had some Windows tools a ways back that could modify an ISO in-place, or, at least, make it seem that way
[00:41] <sybariten> and about your suggestion number 3. some thirty lines up ....   any reading advice to learn how to use an ISO with persistent storage like that? The grub part is easier to find lots of info on i suppose
[00:42] <sybariten> I was kind of hopiong there would be some exotic usb iso that was made only for the purpose of booting stuff off a hard drive but im not sure if that's a thing
[00:43] <superschnell> Let me think.. you usually get an option with various flash drive bootable linux creation tools to add persistent storage - if you really aim to use it as some sort of semi-permanent installation you should make the persistent storage sufficiently large, though I haven't done that before (was never necessary) and I don't know if there are hard or practical limits
[00:44] <summonner> you can configure your boot USB to use the HDD as a persistent store - but that's not what you're looking for sybariten it sounds like
[00:44] <superschnell> I usually do this with Ubuntu live
[00:44] <superschnell> Most other distros, I don't really require persistent storage
[00:45] <superschnell> Hmm: "There are a few limitations. You can’t modify system files, like the kernel. You can’t perform major system upgrades." .. https://www.howtogeek.com/howto/14912/create-a-persistent-bootable-ubuntu-usb-flash-drive/
[00:45] <superschnell> I didn't think about that :(
[00:46] <superschnell> This might be more promising: https://askubuntu.com/questions/55441/install-ubuntu-on-a-ntfs-partition
[00:47] <superschnell> In fact, that might be by far the best solution
[00:48] <sybariten> ok, will look at that, thanks! Right now it's abends-essen
[00:48] <superschnell> Meaning the second answer
[00:48] <superschnell> Haha
[00:49] <superschnell> I'm not sure what the Germans call it, but it should be Abendessen. We have 'avondeten', so it's similar
[00:49] <superschnell> In any case, enjoy
[00:49] <superschnell> That loop mount solution isn't conceptually much different from an ISO with persistent storage, except that in this case, the loop mount *is* the persistent storage
[00:49] <superschnell> It's just ext4 or ext2 instead of ISO9660
[00:50] <sybariten> ah, he's installing it smack right into a mounted image, interesting
[00:50] <superschnell> So you just create a large file on NTFS the size of the root partition you would have otherwise added
[00:50] <superschnell> You get the picture, it's clever
[00:51] <sybariten> Yeah i don't need much space really. Just to play around a little. Cool, will see if i can do that later
[00:51] <superschnell> Keep in mind it's now an NTFS file, though. So one particularly bad move with that file and your lose your entire installation
[00:51] <superschnell> Yeah, enjoy dinner and good luck
[00:53] <superschnell> Hmm, is there any particular reason why the big file couldn't have an MBR and multiple partitions, I wonder. And perhaps even contain LUKS
[00:53] <superschnell> Seems fascinating
[00:54] <sybariten> dank u wel!
[00:54] <superschnell> Geen dank! ;-)
[01:03] <oerheks> grinnik
[01:18] <Tazmainian> Hi all, I am struggling to get WOL working. I have set the BIOS on this msi 970 gaming to allow a pci device to wake it, but if I do a systemctl suspend, the nic turns off. Is this not supported in ubuntu ?
[01:19] <leftyfb> Tazmainian: WOL (on the target side) is not an ubuntu issue. If the NIC is turning off when suspended or powered off, that is a hardware/BIOS issue
[01:20] <leftyfb> Tazmainian: WOL should work on the suspended or powered off machine regardless which OS or if an OS is installed
[01:20] <Tazmainian> okay so back to the BIOS then, because even the internal NIC is off. But I need to run systemctl suspend right?
[01:20] <Tazmainian> even powered off?
[01:20] <Tazmainian> Well I think my Crosshair VIII hero the nic is on when the pc is off.
[01:20] <leftyfb> Tazmainian: WOL should work when powered off as well, yes
[01:20] <Tazmainian> let me check
[01:21] <leftyfb> Tazmainian: "systemctl suspend" just suspends the machine. It has nothing to do with WOL
[01:23] <oerheks> systemctl status wol.service > https://www.techrepublic.com/article/how-to-enable-wake-on-lan-in-ubuntu-server-18-04/
[01:26] <Tazmainian> so I see on my second rig, that it's on board nic , has settings for WOL
[01:27] <Tazmainian> oerheks, my NIC already has a pagb or something, but it has that 'g' in the WOL status
[01:34] <Tazmainian> Okay I see, I think it's the NIC that has an issue, or the motherboard is taking power from it but I can query MSI for this info
[01:34] <Tazmainian> on my second pc, the onboard did wake it from being shutdown, but the pci nic, is off when the pc is off
[01:35] <Tazmainian> so that is the NIC then ?
[01:53] <Sven_vB> hi :) I want to run a program with a custom version of a .so file. if I just LD_PRELOAD it, as I understand it, parts of the system-wide version of the library may "show through". is there a better way (on focal) to run the program with only the new version of the shared library?
[02:20]  * enyc meows
[02:27] <oerheks> Create a new file in /etc/ld.so.conf.d/ called valentinesday.conf ?
[02:27] <oerheks> *hips*
[02:37] <sybariten> Hey, does all current ubuntu versions offer help -when installing to a machine that already has windows- to create a dual boot machine?
[02:38] <oerheks> sure
[02:38] <oerheks> !dualboot
[02:39] <oerheks> check if you have legacy or uefi, disable fastboot and have fun
[02:41] <sybariten> ok thanks
[02:56] <InZaneGamer84> Do ubuntu installs contain python's pip?
[02:56] <InZaneGamer84> Because I have Kubuntu 20.04 installed and pip's not contained within the install. It's not in the repo's either! It's pissed me off!!!!!!
[02:58] <sybariten> i think i remember installing it so no i wouldnt guess it is
[02:59] <InZaneGamer84> sybariten: how do I install it? It's not in the repo's
[03:01] <krytarik> !info python3-pip
[03:01] <InZaneGamer84> krytarik: thanks!
[03:02] <oerheks> also a ugly script python-is-python3
[03:02] <oerheks> !info python-is-python3
[03:29] <dluxcru> Working on an issue with a broken grub bootloader (not sure if I'm dealing with v1 or 2). It broke during an attempted upgrade from 18.04LTS to 20.04LTS. Loads into rescue console straight away. I can get into BIOS and try and launch a live cd, but the live cd just products the following screen: https://imgur.com/a/1uYgcnE with a bunch of dashes
[03:29] <dluxcru> and dots. If a button is pressed it reboots the system and goes back to GRUB (or BIOS if you're fast enough).
[03:31] <dluxcru> I'm not sure what steps to take next; either get the bootloader to work or get the live usb to work. I'd like to get the live usb to work but the lack of an error message makes this one difficult to diagnose.
[03:32] <dluxcru> Does anyone know what would cause the issue in the live usb boot?
[03:34] <Bashing-om> dluxcru: Maybe a bug that is now fixed in latest 20.04.2.0 release - but what results booting an older kernel from the grub boot menu ?
[03:37] <dluxcru> The grub boot menu displays the message: `error: symbol `grub_file_filters` not found Entering Rescue mode.
[03:37] <dluxcru> Assume I am completely new to grub and just learned what it was last week.
[03:40] <Bashing-om> dluxcru: Ouch ! Have not encountered that error ... We can next attempt to boot a live environment. From the screenshot - maybe a graphic's driver issue - what is your graphic's card ? Nvidia ?
[03:42] <dluxcru> It's an integrated one as far as I know. HP laptop.
[03:43] <Bashing-om> dluxcru: !nomodeset | dluxcru Try this:
[03:43] <Bashing-om> !nomodeset | dluxcru Try this:
[03:48] <dluxcru> As far as I can tell I don't have access to the screen where these parameters are added.
[03:49] <dluxcru> I can get to the rescue console or BIOS. That's it.
[03:51] <Bashing-om> dluxcru: Sorry - I am at a loss. Perhaps there are those here with HP experience that can guide.
[03:52] <dluxcru> Thanks for helping nonetheless.
[03:55] <Bashing-om> dluxcru: I will be interested in how this plays out. Patience, as we wait for the experienced person.
[03:56] <lotuspsychje> dluxcru: recoverymode still can enter?
[03:56] <dluxcru> Do you mean the grub rescue console?
[03:57] <lotuspsychje> dluxcru: https://www.lifeonnetwork.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/recoverymode_2.png
[03:58] <dluxcru> Nope, don't know a way to load this screen.
[03:58] <lotuspsychje> dluxcru: enter grub, and pick an ubuntu(recoverymode)
[03:59] <dluxcru> What would the grub rescue command for that be?
[04:01] <lotuspsychje> dluxcru: your grub is completle broken or?
[04:04] <dluxcru> Essentially yes. I don't have access to anything short of the rescue console and BIOS.
[04:05] <lotuspsychje> !recovergrub
[04:05] <lotuspsychje> see if this can help dluxcru
[04:07] <dluxcru> As outlined above I can't seem to get a live CD to boot, so options are looking sparse.
[04:08] <yao_ziyuan> i'm looking for a safe tool to undelete files from an android phone's internal storage. i know i should use an microSD card in the future - one SanDisk 128G 160MB/s read, 90MB/s write TF card is already on delivery, but what about recovering files from an android internal storage? LifeHack's top pick is FonePaw, which seems to be a hong kong company - you know hong kong is under china control these days...
[04:16] <lotuspsychje> yao_ziyuan: photorec can recover files on ubuntu, but phones are encrypted doesnt work that way, only from external media
[04:17] <lotuspsychje> maybe if some tool would exist to make a phone act like a HD it could work
[04:24] <yao_ziyuan> lotuspsychje: yes, for SD/microSD/HDD/SSD drives i use photorec
[04:25] <lotuspsychje> dluxcru: another option is to Liveusb your current system, then rescue data from your /home and start fresh 20.04
[04:26] <dluxcru> When I load the liveUSB from BIOS I get https://imgur.com/a/1uYgcnE
[04:26] <dluxcru> Most blank screen with a few dots and dashes.
[04:32] <lotuspsychje> dluxcru: try a lubuntu iso perhaps, see if you can bypass that
[05:17] <Patrick_> GFX: Intel(R) HD Graphics 4000 2112 Mb, SCREEN: Generic PnP Monitor, 1920 x 1080 @ 32 bit, 60 Hz
[05:17] <Patrick_> OS: 64 bit Windows 8 Home (Version 6.2 Build 9200)
[05:26] <yates> does anyone know the non-free repo and package name to install the emacs elisp info page?
[06:03] <rfm> yates, think you want emacs-common-non-dfsg from multiverse
[06:04] <yates> rfm: i already have multiverse. here's the line from /etc/apt/sources.list: deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ bionic-backports main restricted universe multiverse
[06:05] <yates> and "apt install emacs-common-non-dfsg" doesn't work
[06:09] <rfm> yates, hmm, doesn't seem to be there for bionic (it is for focal and groovy.)   No idea  then.
[06:11] <yates> rfm: if i wanted to add "non-free", which line should it be added to? or otherwise how to do?
[06:11] <yates> i'm being told in emacs that it's available in non-free
[06:12] <yates> in #emacs
[06:13] <yates> sorry, let me paste my sources.list
[06:13] <yates> https://paste.centos.org/view/2dbe9049
[06:14] <rfm> yates, ah, try emacs25-common-non-dfsg on bionic
[06:15] <rfm> yates, I think "non-free" is a Debian section, not ubuntu
[06:17] <yates> rfm: yes, emacs25-common-non-dfsg worked. thanks!
[06:18] <rfm> yates, finally occurred to me to search for filename emacs.info.gz on packages.ubuntu.org...
[06:19] <yates> i'm still learning ubuntu and its package management. i come from fedora/dnf
[06:49] <i-garrison> hello hello anyone willing to test this pulseaudio change https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/pulseaudio/pulseaudio/-/merge_requests/491 which should fix bug 1576559 please let me know - I'm not an ubuntu user and testing would require building pulseaudio from sources
[06:50] <EtherMan> Umm so I'm a bit confused here. I'm trying to run kopano-server on 20.04. I've set logging to debug level. When running, according to the log, it starts with no errors, but it doesn't stay running. It connects to the db successfully and then just exits for some reason but even debug logging doesn't say why it would do that. Anyone with any idea how I can get more info to find the issue?
[07:59] <tripelb> Hello 20.04 keeps getting so slow it's frozen. I decided that 55 tabs of chrome must be too much for it and I can't even get to a terminal window prompt. I can get the terminal window but no prompt just stay square contrasting box where the prompt would go. Has anyone else had this problem with chrome?
[08:31] <ThinkT510> tripelb: do you really need 55 tabs open? can't you use bookmarks?
[09:20] <pagios> hi all, do you recommend any 'Direct Server Return', or DSR that works on RTMP? I am looking to implement load balancinh on RTMP protocol
[10:49] <summonner> tripelb, actually, and I'm just talking about me, I found 20.x unworkable and stuck with 18.x and 19.x - not helpful for you though, sorry
[11:36] <tomreyn> EtherMan: according to https://forum.kopano.io/topic/3553/kopano-core-8-7-17-final Ubuntu 20.04 is only supported since Kopano Groupware Core version 8.7.17, but the packages which landed in Ubuntu 20.04 (via universe, so probably just copied from Debian) are lower than that version.
[11:36] <tomreyn> s/probably/possibly/ - have not checked
[11:39] <tomreyn> tripelb: what'S the hardware specs of this system? are you using chrome, or chromium? does it happen with the latter? does it also happen with firefox?
[12:20] <superschnell> sybariten: let me know if it worked, I'm curious to see how the story ends :)
[12:38] <Blu3Grim21x> hi guys I just installed ubuntu coming from windows 10 pro because I was having some issues I messed with the system user privledges and a clean instal would not work
[12:38] <Blu3Grim21x> ubuntu usb fixed it but......
[12:38] <Blu3Grim21x> the letters are so small! and where is C? and why does the trash can icon look so small? also why cant I install chrome
[12:39] <Blu3Grim21x> thanks
[12:39] <tomreyn> the default C compiler is gcc (GNU C), but there are others
[12:39] <TJ-> Blu3Grim21x: sounds like you're using a hi-DPI display
[12:40] <TJ-> Blu3Grim21x: On a QWERTY keyboard C is next to the V
[12:40] <Blu3Grim21x> lol
[12:41] <Blu3Grim21x> is there a more sleek looking version of linux distro?
[12:41] <Blu3Grim21x> I mean it works great and all but it has a mac feel to it
[12:41] <tomreyn> !flavors
[12:41] <TJ-> That's the Gnome desktop - there are plenty more you can install and use
[12:42] <Blu3Grim21x> where
[12:42] <Blu3Grim21x> there?
[12:43] <Blu3Grim21x> Do I have to do the whole install to usb thing ???
[12:43] <Blu3Grim21x> please no...lol
[12:43] <tomreyn> https://www.muo.com/tag/ubuntu-flavors-comparison-guide/ is a bit dated, but provides the general idea of what different ubuntu flavors look like
[12:43] <TJ-> They can be installed alongside the default Ubuntu/Gnome, so for example Xubuntu/XFCE4 = "sudo apt install xubuntu-desktop" on subsequent starts/log-ins the Greeter will have a gear/config icon with a menu that allows you to choose an alternate 'session' (desktop flavour)
[12:44] <Blu3Grim21x> oh shoot this sounds confusing af
[12:44] <Blu3Grim21x> does it not have a theme or something lol
[12:45] <Blu3Grim21x> where do I type that at
[12:46] <tomreyn> !terminal
[12:47] <tomreyn> but you'll probably be better off seeking the web for screenshots before you start doing this
[12:47] <Blu3Grim21x> well at least it looks better on my curved monitor
[12:47] <Blu3Grim21x> shoot these letters are so small
[12:47] <tomreyn> there's also distrotest.net
[12:47] <Blu3Grim21x> oh wait theres a zoom button there we go
[12:47] <Blu3Grim21x> thank you guys Im reading as fast as I can lol
[12:47] <TJ-> Blu3Grim21x: sounds like you're likely on a 4K display and need to increase the GUI scaling factor
[12:48] <Blu3Grim21x> yeah its a 32inch
[12:48] <Blu3Grim21x> laptop but im using the gaming monitor as the laptop screen is smaller
[12:48] <Blu3Grim21x> I have stigmatism but I refuse to wear glasses just yet
[12:48] <Blu3Grim21x> :P
[12:49] <Blu3Grim21x> ok I found the terminal
[12:50] <Blu3Grim21x> ok downloading root frame work
[12:51] <Blu3Grim21x> I have a bachelors in software development so hopefully I can manage some coding
[12:51] <Blu3Grim21x> lol
[12:52] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[12:52] <Blu3Grim21x> where do I see all my system files
[12:52] <Blu3Grim21x> and thanks again for the help guys ill get it slowly but surely
[12:53] <TJ-> tomreyn: re update-usbids apparently since 2016, according to the changelog
[12:53] <ogra> Blu3Grim21x, https://www.howtogeek.com/117435/htg-explains-the-linux-directory-structure-explained/
[12:54] <TJ-> usbutils (1:008-1) experimental; urgency=medium  "  * Uses the systemd database, therefore drops usb.ids and related utilities.  Closes: #544503"  Aurelien Jarno <aurel32@debian.org>  Tue, 31 May 2016 23:17:53 +0200
[12:54] <Blu3Grim21x> oh wow it looks beautiful once you change the background I like this desktop better its more roomy
[12:54] <Blu3Grim21x> whats usbids ?
[12:55] <superschnell> I take it that the Wayland dpi scaling differences have not been implemented yet for people who have both full HD and 4K monitors?
[12:55] <Blu3Grim21x> idk lol
[12:55] <jeremy31> Blu3Grim21x: It is the database that gives the descriptions to the devices in lsusb
[12:55] <Blu3Grim21x> I hope warzone runs fine on here
[12:56] <Blu3Grim21x> oh thanks
[12:56] <TJ-> tomreyn: apparently now done via systemd-hwdb-update.service
[12:56] <Blu3Grim21x> does hexchat run good on ubuntu
[12:57] <Blu3Grim21x> yeah I signed up for the ubuntu one update link login
[12:57] <superschnell> Try It And See
[12:59] <tomreyn> TJ-: oh you found it first :)
[12:59] <Blu3Grim21x> hey why cant I download warzone
[12:59] <Blu3Grim21x> do I have to go to the app store?
[13:00] <tomreyn> Blu3Grim21x: we don't know why you can't download 'warzone', do you see an error message, what are you doing exactly?
[13:00] <tomreyn> also, what is 'warzone'?
[13:01] <Blu3Grim21x> it says an error occured while loading the archive
[13:01] <Blu3Grim21x> warzone is an activision game through blizzards battlenet
[13:03] <ogra> Blu3Grim21x, https://snapcraft.io/warzone2100
[13:03] <Blu3Grim21x> lmfao
[13:03] <Blu3Grim21x> thats not it I seen it also
[13:03] <Blu3Grim21x> ok this is going to be a problem
[13:04] <Blu3Grim21x> im a have to partition this laptop to windows and ubuntu
[13:04] <TJ-> tomreyn: seems Blu3Grim21x's 'C' is what MS Windows designates as the C: drive !
[13:05] <Blu3Grim21x> lol
[13:06] <Blu3Grim21x> stop looking at ##programming
[13:07] <Blu3Grim21x> ok well my digital storm pc is coming in a few days ill keep that one on windows and my laptop on linux
[13:07] <Blu3Grim21x> but Im a have to find a way to install warzone
[13:07] <Blu3Grim21x> thanks guys you are really alot of help
[13:07] <Blu3Grim21x> brb
[13:08] <BluesKaj> Blu3Grim21x, if you install steam installer warzone is available to play, https://store.steampowered.com/search
[13:09] <Blu3Grim21x> is that right?
[13:10] <Blu3Grim21x> thanks your a life saver
[13:11] <Blu3Grim21x> "failed to install file not supported"
[13:11] <cixx> hi
[13:11] <cixx> when i choose "Xterm R6" instead of "ESC[n~" on PuTTY's "Function keys and keypad" option, i solve my numpad problem.
[13:11] <cixx> how can i make the same change on gnome terminal?
[13:13] <Blu3Grim21x> ok it seems everything installed has to be done on the software store
[13:13] <Blu3Grim21x> that worked
[13:14] <Blu3Grim21x> is this like a security thing or something? or its more like mac where it has a store designated for this
[13:14] <BluesKaj> software store?
[13:16] <Blu3Grim21x> where do I go to update my drivers for hp?
[13:16] <BluesKaj> package manager should do it
[13:16] <Blu3Grim21x> yeah the big A
[13:16] <Blu3Grim21x> where do I find that?
[13:17] <Blu3Grim21x> the more im messing with the desktop the more im liking it lol
[13:18] <BluesKaj> time to learn about apt https://phoenixnap.com/kb/how-to-manage-packages-ubuntu-debian-apt-get
[13:19] <Blu3Grim21x> ok thanks
[13:19] <Blu3Grim21x> ubuntu is seeming more like visual studio lol
[13:20] <TJ-> Blu3Grim21x: what "hp" requires drivers? headphone? Hewlett Packard device (printer, PC, scanner, etc.) ?
[13:20] <Blu3Grim21x> well hewelett packard laptops come with drivers on windows and an updater
[13:20] <Blu3Grim21x> why do I feel like im learning from you and your learning from me lol
[13:20] <TJ-> Blu3Grim21x: "software store" is just a wrapper around access to the archives but with some additional links to proprietary and other snapcraft images
[13:21] <Blu3Grim21x> bro I dont know what snapcraft means
[13:21] <TJ-> Blu3Grim21x: this is Linux - all drivers are generally included
[13:21] <Blu3Grim21x> ok
[13:21] <TJ-> !snap | Blu3Grim21x
[13:22] <Blu3Grim21x> so its like a faster way of installing apps
[13:22] <Blu3Grim21x> thats great
[13:22] <Blu3Grim21x> no click wait click... loading bar wait and wait
[13:23] <TJ-> 'app image' means generally it includes the kitchen sink and therefore is much larger than a traditional install from archive
[13:24] <TJ-> Blu3Grim21x: for HP printers/scanners you'd install the "hplip" package for example
[13:25] <Blu3Grim21x> oh ok tnx
[13:25] <TJ-> Blu3Grim21x: generally all printers now use IPP (Internet Printing Protocol) and we have a single tool for discovering and using printers, called CUPS
[13:25] <Blu3Grim21x> cool
[13:25] <Blu3Grim21x> brb
[13:25] <TJ-> Blu3Grim21x: it runs a local web-server at http://localhost:631/  where you can administer every little facet
[13:29] <BluesKaj> think getting into snaps this early in the game may cause confusion IMO
[13:33] <Blu3Grim21x> ok fun fact warzone is not free on steam
[13:33] <Blu3Grim21x> have to find a work around for battlenet
[13:39] <Blu3Grim21x> https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-install-battle-net-on-ubuntu-20-04-linux-desktop
[13:39] <Blu3Grim21x> not ported
[13:51] <Blu3Grim21x> good night guys
[13:55] <DonovonFargan> Greetings friends, how are you all doing? I recently did a fresh install of Ubuntu 20.10 desktop with ZFS and I must say I am loving every bit of it. However, I don't know how to manually remove the automatic snapshots. Any recommendations? You feedback would be greatly appreciated.
[14:26] <cbreak> zfs destroy can do it
[14:26] <cbreak> but I think there's also something in that zsys thing
[14:34] <jckfrst> is there even much of a difference between 20.04 and 20.10?
[14:50] <today911> hey! Is there a way to download source code of let's say dd via apt-get, please?
[14:51] <today911> (I read that I can enable source-code from the GUI of Software & updates, but I only need this to happen now or just once, and not for each download)
[14:54] <TechPup> hey
[14:54] <TechPup> can i run/install ubuntu to my laptop
[14:55] <TechPup>  HexChat: 2.10.2 ** OS: Linux 3.14.56 i686 ** Distro: Unknown Distro ** CPU: 2 x Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU     T5270  @ 1.40GHz (GenuineIntel) @ 800MHz ** RAM: Physical: 2.5GiB, 90.4% free ** Disk: Total: 115.9GiB, 89.4% free ** VGA: 10de:0427 ** Sound: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel1: PC-Speaker - pcsp ** Ethernet: 14e4:170c ** Uptime: 1h 35m 49s **
[14:56] <TechPup> can i run/install ubuntu to my laptop
[14:56] <TechPup>  HexChat: 2.10.2 ** OS: Linux 3.14.56 i686 ** Distro: Unknown Distro ** CPU: 2 x Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU     T5270  @ 1.40GHz (GenuineIntel) @ 800MHz ** RAM: Physical: 2.5GiB, 90.4% free ** Disk: Total: 115.9GiB, 89.4% free ** VGA: 10de:0427 ** Sound: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel1: PC-Speaker - pcsp ** Ethernet: 14e4:170c ** Uptime: 1h 37m 10s **
[15:00] <EriC^^> today911: you have to enable sources as you read, then do apt-get source <package>, i wont download for new packages unless you run apt-get source
[15:01] <jckfrst> TechPup... maybe consider linux mint - based off of ubuntu i believe- uses less resources.
[15:01] <today911> EriC^^: thank you!
[15:01] <EriC^^> no problem today911
[15:01] <TechPup> hey
[15:01] <TechPup> can i run ubuntu on my laptop
[15:01] <TechPup> heres my specs
[15:02] <TechPup>  HexChat: 2.10.2 ** OS: Linux 3.14.56 i686 ** Distro: Unknown Distro ** CPU: 2 x Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU     T5270  @ 1.40GHz (GenuineIntel) @ 800MHz ** RAM: Physical: 2.5GiB, 94.1% free ** Disk: Total: 130.2GiB, 89.9% free ** VGA: 10de:0427 ** Sound: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel1: PC-Speaker - pcsp ** Ethernet: 14e4:170c ** Uptime: 1h 42m 52s **
[15:03] <jckfrst> techpup. you should be okay with ubuntu but you may want to consider linux mint. i believe mint is based off of ubuntu but uses less resources.
[15:03] <BluesKaj> TechPup, 4GB of RAM is almost minimum required for ubuntu, it will with 2.5 but it'll be somewhat slow
[15:04] <TechPup> puppy linux is based off ubuntu
[15:04] <TechPup> i want ubuntu itself
[15:04] <TechPup> even if it will somewhat slow.
[15:04] <jckfrst> wait, what?
[15:04] <ThinkT510> TechPup: you can run ubuntu but it may be slow with the default gnome desktop
[15:05] <TechPup> ok
[15:19] <TechPup> are you gys lying to me?
[15:19] <TechPup> guys
[15:20] <TechPup> Desktop image
[15:20] <TechPup> The desktop image allows you to try Ubuntu without changing your computer at all, and at your option to install it permanently later. This type of image is what most people will want to use. You will need at least 384MiB of RAM to install from this image
[15:22] <TechPup> hello/
[15:22] <ThinkT510> TechPup: accusing people of lying isn't the best way to ask for help
[15:23] <TechPup> sorry
[15:23] <TechPup> but
[15:23] <TechPup> you say that i need 4 gb
[15:23] <TechPup> but it says 384 mb ram needed
[15:24] <ThinkT510> TechPup: I did not say that, I said it would run slowly based on your 2.5GB ram
[15:24] <TechPup> yeah
[15:24] <krytarik> Also, "install" being the keyword there..
[15:29] <TechPup> bye
[15:29] <ThinkT510> TechPup: have fun
[15:29] <TechPup> i downloaded a ubuntu iso on my usb flash drive
[15:30] <TechPup> im going to reboot and boot from usb
[15:50] <pedroalbuquerque> hello
[15:55] <arooni> is there a way to force grayscale via command line on ubuntu 20.04?  i know theres a gnome extension that does it but i want to initiate via cron
[16:33] <leftyfb> arooni: you can manage extensions via CLI
[17:02] <TechPup> Hi
[17:03] <lotuspsychje> welcome TechPup
[17:03] <TechPup> hey
[17:03] <TechPup> i cant boot from usb
[17:04] <TechPup> it says that file idlinux.c13 missing or something
[17:05] <TechPup> ThinkT510 hi
[17:05] <lotuspsychje> TechPup: how did you create your usb, with wich ubuntu iso release on what kind of system?
[17:06] <TechPup> i just downloaded the ubuntu iso from the ubuntu web site and transfered it to my usb
[17:06] <TechPup> system used is tahrpup 6.0.5
[17:07] <TechPup> let me find the release..
[17:09] <TechPup> ubuntu 16.04.6 desktop i386
[17:10] <TechPup> lotuspsychje are you there?
[17:14] <ThinkT510> TechPup: 16.04 will be end of life next month
[17:15] <TechPup> and what sould i do
[17:15] <TechPup> is the only one that is 32 bit
[17:15] <ThinkT510> TechPup: are you sure your system is 32bit only?
[17:15] <TechPup> do you want my specs?
[17:16] <ThinkT510> go ahead
[17:16] <TechPup>  HexChat: 2.10.2 ** OS: Linux 3.14.56 i686 ** Distro: Unknown Distro ** CPU: 2 x Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU     T5270  @ 1.40GHz (GenuineIntel) @ 800MHz ** RAM: Physical: 2.5GiB, 92.5% free ** Disk: Total: 115.9GiB, 89.4% free ** VGA: 10de:0427 ** Sound: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel1: PC-Speaker - pcsp ** Ethernet: 14e4:170c ** Uptime: 21m 21s **
[17:17] <pavlos> TechPup: the intel T5270 is a 64-bit chipset
[17:17] <TechPup> i didnt know that
[17:18] <pavlos> TechPup: see Instruction Set in https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/33096/intel-core-2-duo-processor-t5270-2m-cache-1-40-ghz-800-mhz-fsb.html
[17:18] <TechPup> ok
[17:18] <TechPup> wait
[17:18] <TechPup> are you greek?
[17:20] <TechPup> pavlos i dont have a amd prosessor
[17:20] <coconut> TechPup, you don't need an amd to go 64bit, intel is fine
[17:20] <TechPup> ubuntu 16.04.6 desktop i386  is the only one i found that it was intel
[17:21] <TechPup> so if i downloaded a amd64 ubuntu iso it will work?
[17:21] <ThinkT510> TechPup: amd64 is just the informal name for the 86_64 instruction set, both intel and amd support it
[17:21] <coconut> yeah will just work
[17:21] <TechPup> thank you
[17:21] <TechPup> but what about idlinux.c13 file
[17:22] <TechPup> error said that file was missing
[17:22] <coconut> dunno never heard off
[17:22] <ThinkT510> TechPup: one step at a time, get 20.04 and try to boot it, you probably won't get that error
[17:23] <TechPup> 20.04 sounds modern i dont think that my shitty CPU will handle it
[17:24] <ThinkT510> TechPup: the cpu will handle it fine, its your lack of ram that will make it slow
[17:24] <coconut> its not a fast cpu indeed, you might want to consider a lighter DE then?
[17:26] <TechPup> oh ok
[17:27] <TechPup> what do you suqqest coconut i want toplay minecraft
[17:28] <metbsd> how do i change grub timeout
[17:28] <oerheks> !grub
[17:28] <metbsd> i edit /etc/default/grub default timeout but ti's ignoring
[17:28] <oerheks> see the manual metbsd
[17:28] <pavlos> metbsd: edit /etc/default/grub
[17:28] <oerheks> and updat grub aftr that
[17:28] <metbsd> i did
[17:30] <jeremy31> metbsd: don't set it to 0
[17:30] <metbsd> it stops at the selection for whole 30 seconds
[17:30] <metbsd> i set it to 3
[17:31] <jeremy31> metbsd: GRUB_TIMEOUT=3
[17:31] <metbsd> did that. and then sudo update-grub
[17:31] <metbsd> i reboot, still it waits 30sec
[17:31] <jeremy31> metbsd: encrypted?
[17:31] <metbsd> no
[17:33] <jeremy31> metbsd: try adding this and see if it works>  GRUB_RECORDFAIL_TIMEOUT=5
[17:38] <pavlos> metbsd: grep timeout= /boot/grub/grub.cfg           do you see the value of 5 you set up?
[17:42] <EriC^^> +1 on the grub record fail
[17:45] <TechPup> hey guys
[17:46] <TechPup> i am downloading ubuntu on my flash drive
[17:49] <oerheks> downloading the iso on your flashdrive? that does not boot...
[17:49] <oerheks> !usb
[17:50] <coconut> TechPup, i would try either mate, xfce, or lxde, those are the most popular... ## i only like mate myself, and dunno which is the lightest.
[17:50] <oerheks> !flavors
[17:51] <TechPup> coconut5 is ubuntu mate ubuntu but lighter?
[17:51] <coconut> TechPup, it is lighter although i dunno that for a scale really if you ask
[17:52] <TechPup> lemme google it
[17:52] <coconut> i would just try it, it is old gnome version and it is lighter
[17:55] <TechPup> hey is lubuntu ubuntu based?
[17:55] <oerheks> ... see !flavors
[17:55] <oerheks> yes
[17:56] <TechPup> ok
[18:00] <coconut> here you can find all iso's TechPup -> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/
[18:01] <TechPup> thanks coconut
[19:20] <jckfrst> Yep. Mate, Mint, xfce, Lxde are all lighter workloads for hardware than say ubuntu or kubuntu
[19:31] <zerobaud> Sorry it seems offtopic but I am writing technical documentation... "Anybody knows a good word (maybe slightly offensive) for saying something which was not factually correct, and probably was said as a result of making a quick decision?"
[19:31] <jeremy31> Pull your head out of your mask
[19:33] <ptx0> i installed a snap and removed it, then installed the deb equivalent but kde keeps trying to use the snap binary which it cannot find
[19:33] <ptx0> where does the .application file live for these guys? can't find any of them
[19:35] <ptx0> ah got it, /usr/local/share/applications/slack.desktop
[19:35] <ptx0> needed to manually delete that file... what a crappy thing the Snaps are.
[19:40] <metbsd> can i auto create a fstab according to my /mnt folders
[19:42] <oerheks> ptx0, so, you installed the deb from 3rd party sources ... and complain about the 3rd party snap? which should be the same version?
[19:45] <pagios> : hello, i have users streaming to my server, and i would like to balance that uplink to multiple servers so that the user stream gets uplinked to one of the servers instead of only to one. The user uploading the stream needs to go directly to one of the servers and not pass by a load balance. This is mainly to remove the need to scale a Load balancer. I thought of dns load balancing where the user streams to a given a-record
[19:45] <pagios>  and
[19:45] <pagios>  then this gets some kind of loadbalancing and resolves each time to an ip of the servers. is this a good way to start?
[19:48] <matsaman> pagios: I mean you just said you don't want a load balancer, and then that you want a load balancer
[19:48] <TJ-> pagios: seem my comment in ##nteworking about ECMP
[19:48] <matsaman> if your load balancer is failing in some aspect, perhaps just fixing that aspect alone is the path forward, instead of trying to load balance without a load balancer
[19:49] <TJ-> pagios: we use that to deterministically distribute incoming streams to anycast hosts
[19:50] <pagios> matsaman: idea is to have a way to forward the DATA from client to backend without passing through an LB
[19:50] <pagios> LB acts as an orchestrator only
[19:51] <TJ-> (ECMP with 5-tuple)
[19:51] <pagios> TJ-: does it work on linux ?
[19:51] <ptx0> oerheks: i know it's hard to read and comprehend fully but i installed third party snap and then removed it before installing third party deb, and there was a file left behind from the snap, outside of /snap... in /usr/local/share/applications
[19:51] <pagios> or requries special hardware
[19:52] <TJ-> pagios: of course!
[19:52] <ptx0> so, Snap, doesn't remove files fully when a snap is removed
[19:52] <ptx0> this is the complaint.
[19:52] <ptx0> there's no "purge" option like there is with apt-get
[19:52] <TJ-> pagios: we use it with pure IPv6 but it works with IPv4 too
[19:53] <pagios> TJ-: does it meet this requirement? client is sending big data to LB, LB in someway redirects that traffic to a given backedn server from a pool of backend servers, LB does not process the big data, the client sends data DIRECTLY to backend , backend replies to client directly, no LB involvment
[19:53] <TJ-> pagios: ECMP is pure network in-kernel level routing
[19:54] <pagios> TJ-: ok, so the client needs to be configured in some special way ?
[19:54] <ptx0> well you can use Multicast with IGMP too
[19:54] <pagios> or only the backend and LBs
[19:54] <TJ-> pagios: you'd have a single router doing ECMP in front of the backends that have a shared anycast address as well as unique addresses
[19:56] <pagios> TJ-: but the trafficwill flow through that router too right?
[19:56] <TJ-> pagios: if it helps I can share a couple of test shell scripts that set-up and respectively test ECMP using network namespaces that you can use as a template for what you want to do in your environment
[19:56] <TJ-> pagios: well of course, that's the point of a router.
[19:57] <pagios> thats not scalable in my case
[19:57] <TJ-> pagios: you could have multiple routers
[19:57] <pagios> coz i will be bound by the b/w of that router
[19:57] <pagios> i want peer to peer from client to backend to use the backend b/w fully
[19:57] <pi0> hi all! happy vday
[19:58] <TJ-> pagios: then you'd need to use the ECMP 5-tuple principle client-side to choose a target
[19:58] <ptx0> use a WebSocket proxy :D
[19:58] <ptx0> application level load balancing can be used, return a websocket address depending on which backend is best
[19:59] <pagios> that means the client needs to talk websocket which is not my case
[19:59] <pi0> not sure if this is the place for this, but i want to setup a ubunut server for live streaming, i would like to capture from my phone and use ubuntu with ngrok
[19:59] <pi0> as the server
[20:04] <unixbsd> please a fix asap in current kubuntu. there is an huge bug into gcc, please the reportbug :   links termbin.com/3uss
[20:05] <TJ-> unixbsd: no bug there
[20:15] <unixbsd> gcc cannot find /usr/lib.. .clang can.
[20:25] <TJ-> unixbsd: -Idir is for header file paths, not linker paths.
[20:26] <TJ-> unixbsd: headers are in /usr/include/ e.g. libfltk1.3-dev: /usr/include/FL/Fl_Browser.H
[20:27] <TJ-> unixbsd: but your issue is that the linker isn't finding libfltk, presumably this? libfltk1.3-dev: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libfltk.so
[20:29] <TJ-> unixbsd: the system library path should already be set but maybe you need -L /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu  ?
[20:34] <TJ-> unixbsd: I wonder if there's some non-default change to rpath?
[20:38] <TJ-> unixbsd: actually, I suspect the issue is the order you've given the linker libraries, try " c++ flpackage.cxx -lfltk -lX11"
[20:38] <unixbsd> ah
[20:38] <unixbsd> I can give a try
[20:40] <unixbsd> ah true
[20:40] <unixbsd> c++ fails with -lfltk
[20:40] <unixbsd> does not matter, g++ should work anyhow.
[21:34] <monsterco> can anyone guess how fast xvfb + vnc can be from the time image is created to the time is projected to a remote machine? (excluding the network travel time which I am assuming is TCP or UDP)
[21:35] <ThinkT510> I'm sure they can guess
[21:36] <summonner> depends on your color density (4,8,16,24bit) and network speed between your endpoints, and if there is any encryption
[21:38] <today911> Hi all! :)  I'm trying to download the source and all the included .c & .h files for dd, but I do not know how to do it? I already enabled Source code in Software & Updates, but running apt-get source dd does not work
[21:38] <today911> May I get a hint please?
[21:39] <ThinkT510> what is the output?
[21:40] <today911> it says "E: Unable to find a source package for dd" (I read somewhere that dd is included into the Ubuntu core packages?)
[21:40] <ThinkT510> !find dd
[21:41] <oerheks> coreutils
[21:41] <oerheks> why do you want to build dd yourself?
[21:41] <oerheks> and the rest
[21:41] <today911> I'd like to learn from the code :)
[21:42] <oerheks> then understand the self explaining error?
[21:42] <today911> and after the sources are downloaded, where can I find them?
[21:44] <ThinkT510> today911: you don't really need to download the source to read it. most projects host it somewhere so you can just browse their repository to read the source
[21:44] <oerheks> !build
[21:44] <today911> ThinkT510: I already found dd.c but then, it includes other files that I do not know how to reach?
[21:49] <unixbsd> you can use my bsd unix dd.c, it works on linux
[21:49] <unixbsd> today911: here is dd.c , portable and using clang only: https://termbin.com/8w4k
[21:50] <oerheks> sure, but we are not going to support a disaster :-)
[21:51] <unixbsd> with clang dd.c -o dd  * have fun *
[21:51] <today911> unixbsd: thank you :)  that was fast!
[21:51] <unixbsd> and unique experience.
[21:52] <unixbsd> oerheks: without perl and python ;)
[22:04] <abesab> Is modifying the ISO the only way to have an unattended installation?
[22:05] <oerheks> abesab, no, preseed is the most used route
[22:05] <oerheks> https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/installation-guide/amd64/apbs04.html
[22:07] <abesab> oerheks: Not exactly trivial it seems :)
[22:13] <abesab> oerheks: Based on some reading it looks like there are different methods for desktop and server. I'm still not sure which one is pre-seeding (or if they both are)
[22:14] <abesab> And also server 20 is different than earlier versions apparently. https://ubuntu.com/server/docs/install/autoinstall
[22:15] <tomreyn> abesab: ubuntu server' default (since at least 18.04 LTS) 'server live' installer uses autoinstall.
[22:15] <tomreyn> desktops use preseeding, and the page you pointed to disucsses the difference
[22:19] <abesab> tomreyn: Thanks. I am getting the impressions that autoinstall is much easier than preseeding (with d-i). I think I'll use a server ISO and just install the desktop package on it.
[22:26] <today911> just a thought crossed my mind... what kind of smartphones do you guys use in here? :)  Since it's Ubuntu channel, I am curious... as Android is sometimes a bit weird, has to be rooted... youtube does not allow screen to be off unless one pays for it, and so on...
[22:28] <oerheks> today911, there is a phone project, #ubports .. else polling about smartphone use is useless.
[22:29] <today911> oerheks: I know about ubports, unfortunately Samsung Galaxy A8 is not supported :(
[22:35] <Maik> !discuss | today911
[22:35] <Maik> talk about smartphones is not a ubunu support question
[22:36] <Maik> ubunu/ubuntu
[22:37] <unixbsd> for my samsung, I use : apt-get install adb; adb devices ; adb mount ; adb pull /sdcard        <-- using developer trick (enabled), and the system is backuped on linux.
[22:38] <oerheks> unixbsd, nobody asked that, and is interested?
[22:38] <today911> Maik: sure, thank you
[22:38] <Maik> take it either to #ubuntu-discuss or offtopic please unixbsd
[22:39] <oerheks> too much noise..
[22:40] <Maik> always the same after throwing in a !discuss trigger some people tend to continue with unrelated offtopic talk
[22:40] <unixbsd> Ah, I misread then,...
[22:40] <Maik> or just bring it up anyway
[22:41] <tomreyn> abesab: you may want to switch from cloud-init/netplan/systemd-networkd to network-manager for network configuration management then.
[22:54] <abesab> tomreyn: Thanks. What I ended up doing (still running the install now) is using the "vboxmanage unattended install" command. If this works for my purposes then I won't have to worry about preseed/autoinstall/using a server install of Ubuntu
[23:34] <sybariten> hey'all, and superschnell in particular: just wanted to give some followup on what i did. So I had some live systems running as i said, and couldnt get mysql installed because of this rather intricate technical reason "by design", as i understood it.
[23:35] <sybariten> I was too tired to learn how to do the apparmor/deb thing to make it work, cause as i udnerstood it i would need to make new deb packages or something. I had a win machine, a laptop with a couple of harddrives in it but i just wasn't keen on reformatting or changing the drives too much at this point. So ideally i'd like to get a real *nix install on there anyhow, in some way
[23:37] <sybariten> Turns out this wubi thing _does_ actually still exist after all, there is some wubiuefi fork which seems rather up to date, i did that from Win with a DL:ed iso and it worked like a charm (on the third attempt) ! So now i have a boot menu, which looks very "win native" but which lets me boot Win or Xubuntu.  :)
[23:38] <sybariten> And from within that one (xubuntu on a 32gb image) there was no problem getting mysql installed with apt-get.
[23:44] <kevr> can i launch a terminal while installing?
[23:44] <kevr> i chose the Install button instead of the "Try" or whatever, I need to look at some disk things to make sure i'm doing the right thing, but i can't find the launcher
[23:44] <kevr> (i'm on 20.10 live desktop disk)
[23:45] <tomreyn> ctrl-alt-t
[23:45] <kevr> tomreyn: thank you!
[23:45] <kevr> <3
[23:45] <tomreyn> you're welcome :)
[23:53] <kevr> i love the face you guys have on the background
[23:53] <kevr> lol
[23:55] <kevr> When I'm installing, if I want to setup LVM and Luks, does the installer give me that option through the normal "easy" steps, or should i choose the "Something else" installation type and configure it myself through parted?
[23:55] <kevr> and perhaps luks with ctrl+alt+t terminal?
[23:56] <kevr> i guess i'm wondering if ubuntu has an out of the box way to add a cryptdevice and unlocked cryptdevice to kernel cmdline, to unlock it
[23:56] <kevr> or if that needs to be crafted by myself?
[23:57] <tomreyn> there's some advanced tickbox where you can choose between encryption and zfs-alpha
[23:58] <tomreyn> encryption would provide lvm on top of dmcrypt-luks, but /boot remains unencrypted.
[23:59] <kevr> makes sense!
[23:59] <kevr> Thank you!