 @TartanSpartan [Shame AIDA64 isn't open source and thus not so available for most devices these …], Can still find the amhf version around
 But yeah...
 @TotalSonic M10 HD.
 @mateosalta Will it be compatible with the newer Android 9 devices?
 not if they are arm64
 which i think all the new ones are
 @PiecerEdd [I definitely would like to see the morph browsers tab list displaying 160 tabs], i'll screenshot when i get there then xD
 @Shakendo [is 160 the max?], maybe, maybe not :p
 lol
 @TartanSpartan [Go for as big internal storage as possible even if the device supports micro SD …], tbh i dunno if you'd want to if it did 🤔
 @TotalSonic [Fun with the Terminal - you can install screenfetch in Libertine and get a nice …], sounds a tad high to me hmmm
 @Fuseteam [sounds a tad high to me hmmm], Yup, maybe I should try a restart to see if something was filling it up in an unterminated background process
 @Shakendo [lol], i mean the last time it did crash around 160 but that was also after the qt upgrade, after i had problems with the browser :p … but being a rw'er i did a root refresh and the browser became responsive again xD … now i'm not sure if it was the number of tabs or my messing with the rootfs that caused that xP
 sounds like a perfect test case ;)
 exactly xD
 curious to see what the max is lol
 @mateosalta [do you have any info on testing nfc on the xperia x, i want to start working on …], It's not there yet, there seems to be a firmware loading issue. Will take a look at it soon.
 ah, ok
 @Fuseteam [tbh i dunno if you'd want to if it did 🤔], Why not? it's nice to take pressure off the internal storage. I was pleasantly surprised that the M10 was later reintroduced in a 32GB version; more room to breathe. Likewise, I was quite disgruntled when after flashing my older 16GB M10 to Android, I I discovered that BQ had op
[07:16] <ubptgbot> ted to prevent installing apps to the SD card.
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 @Shakendo [curious to see what the max is lol], me too lol
 @TartanSpartan [Why not? it's nice to take pressure off the internal storage. I was pleasantly s …], i mean on android i kinda get it, as system apps grow unpredictably but on ut it isn't really an issue so far
 and well sd cards are read slower than internal storage
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 Hi
 hey
 @fredldotme [Not that I know of, the HID device drivers should be in the kernel. You could se …], it looks like any keyboard I tried, connects and disconnects after a few seconds … speakers and mouse worked fine … How and where do I get the dmesg and syslog?
[12:27] <ubptgbot> <Dolinta Cristian> Hi, its possible to write apps for UT in java ?
 @Dolinta Cristian [Hi, its possible to write apps for UT in java ?], I don't know of a Java based graphics platform that supports a mirclient backend. So you'll probably be limited to command-line apps. Which is likely not what you want.
[12:43] <ubptgbot> <Dolinta Cristian> @alan_griffiths [I don't know of a Java based graphics platform that supports a mirclient backend …], yeah, command-line apps is not what i want, thanks.
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 I'm getting a vendor image checksum mismatch error
 Though downloaded the file from link mentioned in the installer
 Target device is a Redmi Note 7 (lavender)
 I'm unable to install ubuntu-touch using the installer, where can I find the instructions?
 @Javacookies [it looks like any keyboard I tried, connects and disconnects after a few seconds …], `dmesg` and `tail -f /var/log/syslog` :p
 @ajyotirmay [I'm unable to install ubuntu-touch using the installer, where can I find the ins …], uh did you try tge devel channel?
 @ajyotirmay [I'm getting a vendor image checksum mismatch error], did you unpack the archive?
 @NotKit [did you unpack the archive?], Yeah
 @Fuseteam [uh did you try tge devel channel?], Idk where it is :(
 @Fuseteam [uh did you try tge devel channel?], Oh! Got it, let me see
 lavender should have stable since OTA 15
 Is there any guide to CLI installation?
 I'm using the AppImage btw
 @ajyotirmay [Is there any guide to CLI installation?], cli is way more complicated fwiw so much no there no actual guide for it
 @NotKit [lavender should have stable since OTA 15], oh cool
 @Fuseteam [cli is way more complicated fwiw so much no there no actual guide for it], Oh okay
 @ajyotirmay [Is there any guide to CLI installation?], [Edit] cli is way more complicated fwiw so much so there no actual guide for it
 @ajyotirmay [Yeah], so you select extracted vendor.img? I tried it myself just recently also with AppImage version on Manjaro
 @NotKit [so you select extracted vendor.img? I tried it myself just recently also with Ap …], yeah
 ```Error: fastboot:format: Error: formatting failed: Error: {"error":{"code":1,"cmd":"fastboot format system"},"stderr":"< waiting for any device >\nFAILED (Write to device failed (No such device))\nfastboot: error: Command failed"}```
 This is the error I'm getting
 Oh wait 😐
 check if `fastboot getvar all` works properly when device is in bootloader mode, otherwise you may need to try different port/cable/etc
 if looking for a CLI install option, you may flash https://gitlab.com/ubports/community-ports/android9/xiaomi-redmi-note-7/xiaomi-lavender/-/jobs/993639666/artifacts/browse/out/ + vendor.img + format userdata through fastboot, but images are autogenerated and not tested
 So earlier I was able to detect my device in fastboot, now it's not there. How? :/
 [Edit] if looking for a CLI install option, you may flash https://gitlab.com/ubports/community-ports/android9/xiaomi-redmi-note-7/xiaomi-lavender/-/jobs/993639666/artifacts/browse/out/ + vendor.img + format userdata through fastboot, but images are autogenerated from latest devel and not tested
 @ajyotirmay [So earlier I was able to detect my device in fastboot, now it's not there. How? …], reboot and try again, it can be flaky
 @ajyotirmay [So earlier I was able to detect my device in fastboot, now it's not there. How? …], [Edit] reboot the device and try again, it can be flaky
 ```Error: fastboot:format: Error: formatting failed: Error: {"error":{"code":1,"cmd":"fastboot format system"},"stderr":"FAILED (remote: 'unknown command')\nfastboot: error: Command failed"}```
 had to manually boot my phone into fastboot and now it's not recognizing the ocmmand
 [Edit] had to manually boot my phone into fastboot and now it's not recognizing the command
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 Hi
 I am trying to install ubuntu touch on my oneplus 2 using ubports
 When the app says that it is sending files to device, my phone keeps rebooting into recovery mid-process
 And the install keeps on failing
 Is this a known issue
 ?
 @ajyotirmay [Error: fastboot:format: Error: formatting failed: Error: {"error":{"code":1,"cmd …], fastboot glitches, try again
 @H [When the app says that it is sending files to device, my phone keeps rebooting i …], it is suppose to boot into recovery during the process yes, but it shouldn't be failing
 could be cahe or wrong partitioning
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc.ubports.com/0x0mBhjC.png And this message is displayed. But i know its not a cable issue bcz i can see my phone rebooting in the middle of the process
 I had lineage os installed
 I booted into fastboot mode
 Then started the process
 After a while it rebooted into recovery and sending files thing started
 Then while the files were being sent to my phone
 It reboots
 And sendind fails
 I have tried different cables
 Sending*
 have you tried different ports?
 Yes i have
 The issue is not with my cable
 But rather with the device
 if connection is lost is likely is.....
 Wait i will record a video of my phone
 but anyway try restoring stock android and try again from there
 also please join https://t.me/WelcomePlus we have more tips that could help you in the history there
 (Video, 33s) https://irc.ubports.com/kDtfWIn7.mp4
 Its a boot loop
 its a bootloop because it wasn't installed correctly
 I guess i now have to download stock os and flash it.
 yes and please join the welcome group
 we have had similar cases in there
 Do i need to do anything else after i flash oxygen os and before i start the process in ubports installer?
 Ok i will
 Uhh guys
 Where can i download latest oxygen os from?
 uh isn't it available on oneplus's website?
 Found it sorry
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 Hi. I posted this on the forum but haven't had any replies yet.
 installed UT on a Google Pixel 3A using the installer and it worked fine and installed UT fine. But I ran into an issue when I tried to power down the device. It brings me to the Android recovery screen then moves into the Google screen and then finally reboots back into UT. There's no way to power down the device. … I then thought that I
[15:48] <ubptgbot>  must have messed something up so I re-flashed the device back to Android 9 and performed the task again with the same results. I did this multiple times over the weekend but I can't seem to get rid of Google remnants of the phone and also the obvious issues of never being able to power down the phone. … Has anyone else ever run into this issue? Do
[15:48] <ubptgbot> es anyone have any ideas on how to resolve it? I googled everything I could and I'm out of ideas. Thanks.
 uhhh where did you post on the forums?
 Under Support
 can you link it?
 It's only been a couple hours
 https://forums.ubports.com/topic/5713/google-pixel-3a-install-issue-using-the-installer
 oh i'm sure you'll get an answer, adding the link so bring some attention to it
 Thanks!
 Does it take a lot of time on "Flashing firmware"?
 No. It's fairly quick
 Should it take a lot of time?
 Hmm, so it goes smoothly till about 70%, then freezes. Can't see my device in `fastboot`. But if I disconnect my phone, installed throws an error
 it shouldn't no
 [Edit] Hmm, so it goes smoothly till about 70%, then freezes. Can't see my device in `fastboot`. But if I disconnect my phone, installer throws an error
 @ajyotirmay [Hmm, so it goes smoothly till about 70%, then freezes. Can't see my device in fa …], oh right you're installing the oneplus 2, how long did you let it sit?
 @Fuseteam [oh right you're installing the oneplus 2, how long did you let it sit?], No, I'm on lavender
 as "a lot of time" and "Fairly quick" are a bit vague to work with
 @ajyotirmay [No, I'm on lavender], uh right, sorry got :<
 @ajyotirmay [No, I'm on lavender], [Edit] uh right, sorry got it mixed up :<
 @ajyotirmay can you try to flash the files I linked manually?
 @Fuseteam [as "a lot of time" and "Fairly quick" are a bit vague to work with], I know, just that there's no feedback from the installed and it seems to get stuck (also no fastboot devices in console). However disconnecting it throws an error, which means installer is somehow connected to the device. I'm confused here
 @ajyotirmay [I know, just that there's no feedback from the installed and it seems to get stu …], i mean i think you should disconnect it yet, but it depends on long you let it sit?
 It is probably trying to fastboot flash and that gets stuck
 Maybe you can try to flash those manually so you can do it one by one at least
 We can't do much about fastboot though
 @NotKit [Maybe you can try to flash those manually so you can do it one by one at least], Which file do I flash, and on which partition?
 I've got a vendor.img
 @NotKit [if looking for a CLI install option, you may flash https://gitlab.com/ubports/co …], this
 Checking
 i mean if fastboot is not available is it maybe connected over adb?
 so vendor.img goes to vendor, system.img to system and so on
 @Fuseteam [i mean if fastboot is not available is it maybe connected over adb?], Hmm, I sure should check that as well
 @NotKit [so vendor.img goes to vendor, system.img to system and so on], dtbo to dtbo?
 @NotKit [so vendor.img goes to vendor, system.img to system and so on], The order of flash shouldn't matter, right?
 yes
 [Edit] yes for both
 Okay
 lol
 I mean, that isn't really difficult (like you said earlier :/)
 this is... shortcut
 BTW, can I use any recovery or shall I stick with Halium?
 @NotKit [this is... shortcut], I see!
 thekit pulled some strings :p
 @ajyotirmay [BTW, can I use any recovery or shall I stick with Halium?], you need UT recovery for OTA upgrades
 @NotKit [you need UT recovery for OTA upgrades], Gotcha! I'll flash that one then
 @Fuseteam [thekit pulled some strings :p], haha
 also, if you flash recovery + vendor, you can skip flashing firmware partitions, boot into recovery and continue with installer from there
 @NotKit [also, if you flash recovery + vendor, you can skip flashing firmware partitions, …], How do I skip that? Installer doesn't ask
 I thought it was an option called like bootstrap
 Oh okay, let me check
 Installer is stuck at "rebooting system" now
 Which it would never be able to do, since device isn't accessible in that sense
 Flashed recovery and vendor
 Okay, it had to be in fastboot
 Whoa! It's done 🥳
 @NotKit Thanks a lot!
 how far did you get?
 All the way through!
 System booted up perfectly
 However, few issues I faced: … Couldn't get it done from Linux (will need to try it again to confirm) … Faced some weird bug with flashing
 I have seen/heard from friends that it will 4 out of 5 times be just a little wonkey, get stuck somewhere, needs to be tried three times. And it has always worked in the end. It's just almost never completelt smooth.
 [Edit] I have seen/heard from friends that it will 4 out of 5 times be just a little wonkey, get stuck somewhere, needs to be tried three times. And it has always worked in the end. It's just almost never completely smooth.
 After I installed qualcomm drivers in Windows, it recognized fastboot every single time (just the installer freezing problem)
 I had one wonky install (took several tries), and one that was *almost* smooth as silk. Everything in between happens too. Thinking you have bricked it is common halfway through, it's almost a rite of passage. It's generally not actually bricked.
 that isn't my experience with the installer
 it may depend on the actual device
 Sending this from Ubuntu touch
 Teleports
 How do I go to home screen
 there is no homescreen
 Whoa
 you can swipe from the left edge to launch applications
 Shocker, but okay
 @Fuseteam [you can swipe from the left edge to launch applications], Yeah, just that I'd have loved to see my wallpaper
 it's different from android yeah, you can launch into any app without going back to the home screen
 @ajyotirmay [Yeah, just that I'd have loved to see my wallpaper], there's a way to do that, from an app xD
 Haha yeah
 Anyhow, how are paps developed for this?
 Yeah, every time you feel lost and have no idea what to do, try a swipe. It's strongly swipe based. From the edge, to the edge, slow or fast.
 *apps
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/wy6Fw2Kp.null
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/R2uv2g8O.null
 @klaartje_b [Yeah, every time you feel lost and have no idea what to do, try a swipe. It's st …], *short or long
 @klaartje_b [Yeah, every time you feel lost and have no idea what to do, try a swipe. It's st …], Figured out most of it :P
 @Fuseteam [*short or long], There's that.
 @Fuseteam [<reply to media>], this app is made solely displaying your wallpaper xD
 @Fuseteam [this app is made solely displaying your wallpaper xD], Wow!
 I miss emojis, just Linux things
 @ajyotirmay [I miss emojis, just Linux things], emojis? you mean to input emojis?
 Yeah, on keyboard
 😍😍😍
 Found it
 try holding the globe icon on the keyboa— there ya go lol
 It's pretty cool!!!
 The entire non-android thing
 *excuse my hype*
 we hype it ourselves /o/
 @ajyotirmay [It's pretty cool!!!], It really is!
 not using Android is pretty awesome 😆
 And then there's YouTube as well 😍
 Terminal is pretty cool as well!
 terminal 101: swipes are arrow keys and taps are tabs
 Nice!
 @ajyotirmay [And then there's YouTube as well 😍], But not accelerated it will burn off charge pretty fast ^
 Haha the price for privacy :P
 Anyhow, where is the development happening?
 Found it!
 You amazing folks making ddg the default search engine!
 heh
 All of it is on Qt, right?
 pretty much
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 Cool
[17:02] <ubptgbot> Krisudsen was added by: Krisudsen
 How does the docs translations works? There is some English content in the French landing page (https://docs.ubports.com/fr/latest/).  I wanted to translate it but it is already done there https://translate.ubports.com/translate/ubports-docs/documentation-index/fr/ 3 years ago...
 BTW, how are UBports, ubuntu-touch and lomiri related to one another?
 @Oliv4945 [How does the docs translations works? There is some English content in the Frenc …], @Flohack maybe able to help with that
 @ajyotirmay [BTW, how are UBports, ubuntu-touch and lomiri related to one another?], ubports is the community/Foundation, Ubuntu Touch is the operating system and lomiri is the "desktop" environment
 so, UT is running lomiri on phone (the same code that's for desktops)?
 yes pretty much
 lomiri isn't usable on the desktop yet tho
 @Flohack [But not accelerated it will burn off charge pretty fast ^], It says "hardware accelerated video playback" for my device
 @Fuseteam [lomiri isn't usable on the desktop yet tho], Okay
 @ajyotirmay [It says "hardware accelerated video playback" for my device], Not for videos in the browser
 @Fuseteam [lomiri isn't usable on the desktop yet tho], Hopefully I'm able to understand and participate in the code 🤞
 @ajyotirmay [Hopefully I'm able to understand and participate in the code 🤞], when i doubt just ask :3
 @fredldotme [Not for videos in the browser], I see (not a concern for my use case though)
 @Fuseteam [when i doubt just ask :3], Sure!
 tho personally i have a lot to learn myself but there are many who will be able to answer xD
 Anyhow folks, gotta make my dinner. Really excited about the software and how far it has come!
 @Fuseteam [tho personally i have a lot to learn myself but there are many who will be able …], Aye aye captain 🏴‍☠️
 oho~ i'm but a lacky mate!
 😂 :P
 I'll excuse myself now, have a good day y'all
[17:27] <ubptgbot> <Golden Monk> hi guys, … I am running ubuntu touch on mido (redmi note 4) using alpha 1 image which is based on halium 7.  … Can I run apt upgrade to get latest version of ubuntu touch?
 apt upgrade is not used in ubuntu touch to upgrade
 UT uses an image based system, sadly mido has not reach that state yet
 [Edit] UT uses an image based system, sadly mido has not reached a point to get updates yet
 it also appears to lack a maintainer based on the list at devices.ubuntu-touch.io
 if you wish you could help finish the port, maybe?
[17:31] <ubptgbot> <Golden Monk> @Fuseteam [it also appears to lack a maintainer based on the list at devices.ubuntu-touch.i …], I would like to support this device. I am a newbie to UT development.
 @Golden Monk [I would like to support this device. I am a newbie to UT development.], i suppose you could join https://t.me/ubports_porting to find resources you need to help with that
[17:33] <ubptgbot> <Golden Monk> @Fuseteam [i suppose you could join https://t.me/ubports_porting to find resources you need …], Thanks. Do I need to ceate a halium 9 image first?
 @Golden Monk [Thanks. Do I need to ceate a halium 9 image first?], i think you can find that out in that groups history, all i can say is good luck :)
[17:35] <ubptgbot> <Golden Monk> @Fuseteam [i think you can find that out in that groups history, all i can say is good luck …], thanks
 @Oliv4945 [How does the docs translations works? There is some English content in the Frenc …], Please check the files in ubports/docs.ubports.com on Github, if the translation is missing there. Could be a merge error. Its in the locale subdir I think
 Github seems fine, there is the French translation: https://github.com/ubports/docs.ubports.com/blob/master/locales/fr/LC_MESSAGES/index.po#L48
 That pofile hasn't been updated from the pot
 https://github.com/ubports/docs.ubports.com/blob/master/locales/pot/index.pot#L78
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[19:51] <ubptgbot> <Mathew Dennis> Hii ...will there be an official gsi release....
 @Oliv4945 [Github seems fine, there is the French translation: https://github.com/ubports/d …], Please try again now...
 @Mathew Dennis [Hii ...will there be an official gsi release....], Hi. What is your device?
 I don't think there are plans for that yet
[20:02] <ubptgbot> <Mathew Dennis> Redmi note 3.
 I don't think that supports Treble?
 @NotKit [I don't think that supports Treble?], it shipped with android 5 it seems
[20:05] <ubptgbot> <Mathew Dennis> There is a vendor image for it... And  gsi s work...but erfans gsis dont.... His port of ubuntu touch gsi also dont work...
 you probably need to port for that device and debug it
[20:06] <ubptgbot> <Mathew Dennis> Is there any way to fix that
 @Mathew Dennis [There is a vendor image for it... And  gsi s work...but erfans gsis dont.... His …], erfan'd gsi is based on android 9
 @Mathew Dennis [There is a vendor image for it... And  gsi s work...but erfans gsis dont.... His …], [Edit] erfan'd gsi is based on android 9 and treble
[20:06] <ubptgbot> <Mathew Dennis> Ys the vendor image is based on 8m1
[20:06] <ubptgbot> <Mathew Dennis> 8.1
 you can reallistically compile Halium 7 or 9 for that, just do not bother with GSIs
[20:08] <ubptgbot> <Mathew Dennis> @NotKit [you probably need to port for that device and debug it], I cant seem to find a noobs guide for porting...
 docs.ubports.com/porting isn't noob friendly?
[20:09] <ubptgbot> <Mathew Dennis> @Mathew Dennis [8.1], Is it possible to convert this 9 vendor
 https://docs.halium.org/en/latest/ + https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/porting/index.html
 there are parts that obsolete, but we have Porting channels that usually answer lot of questions
[20:11] <ubptgbot> <Mathew Dennis> @Fuseteam [docs.ubports.com/porting isn't noob friendly?], I follow it for abit and dropped off after a while..
[20:12] <ubptgbot> <Mathew Dennis> @NotKit [there are parts that obsolete, but we have Porting channels that usually answer …], Ok i will try again...
 @Mathew Dennis [I follow it for abit and dropped off after a while..], if you get stuck that means it needs to be improved, and we'll need your feedback on what is unclear or what hurdles you encountered
 for port specific questions we have @halium and @ubports_porting
[20:14] <ubptgbot> <Mathew Dennis> I watched the live porting video
 [Edit] for specific questions surrounding porting we have @halium and @ubports_porting
 @Mathew Dennis [I watched the live porting video], Unfortunately a bit outdated already
[20:15] <ubptgbot> <Mathew Dennis> Will there be a new one .with a bit more detail.thanks.
 honestly I don't even know how you can make a useful porting video
 @Mathew Dennis [Will there be a new one .with a bit more detail.thanks.], but what details are unclear?
 i honestly wonder if github.com/ubports/docs.ubports.com is a possible place to keep track of questions about details in the docs 🤔
 @Flohack [Please try again now...], The translation disappeared from Github 🤔
 @Fuseteam [i mean on android i kinda get it, as system apps grow unpredictably but on ut it …], A few apps are quite sizeable. And this may be a slightly different issue, but just the way UT makes file copies for the content hub can be exasperating at times. It would be nice to get fine-grained control of where apps and files get wr
[20:19] <ubptgbot> itten but this is probably a ways off.
 @Oliv4945 [The translation disappeared from Github 🤔], I unblocked a conflict and pushed latest changes I had.
 @Fuseteam [tbh i dunno if you'd want to if it did 🤔], [Edit] Why not? It's nice to take pressure off the internal storage. I was pleasantly surprised that the M10 was later reintroduced in a 32GB version; more room to breathe. Likewise, I was quite disgruntled when after flashing my older 16GB M10 to Android, I I discovered that BQ
[20:20] <ubptgbot>  had opted to prevent installing apps to the SD card.
[20:20] <ubptgbot> <Mathew Dennis> How much data will i need..for the downlods...
 around 50 GB is a safe bet
 @TartanSpartan [A few apps are quite sizeable. And this may be a slightly different issue, but j …], but where content hub copies files is separate from where apps are installed..........
[20:24] <ubptgbot> <Mathew Dennis> @NotKit [around 50 GB is a safe bet], Oke..i will be back..
 @Fuseteam [but where content hub copies files is separate from where apps are installed.... …], they are both on `/data` so it doesn't matter
 @dohbee [they are both on /data so it doesn't matter], yes but the argument is in favor on moving the install location of applications
 @dohbee [they are both on /data so it doesn't matter], [Edit] yes but the argument is in favor of a feature of moving the install location of applications
 what argument?
 all Seumas said was that he wishes that UT utilized SD cards better when they exist
 @dohbee [they are both on /data so it doesn't matter], [Edit] yes but his argument is supposed to be in favor of a feature of moving the install location of applications to external storage
 which is fine. the way external storage works is a bit weird. and the way content-hub works also compounds that weirdness
 Not quite @Fuseteam I granted that installing apps is different from content hub's copying behaviour.
 @dohbee [all Seumas said was that he wishes that UT utilized SD cards better when they ex …], specifically about install apps into the sd card rather than internal
 @TartanSpartan [Not quite @Fuseteam I granted that installing apps is different from content hub …], eh?
 And glad @dohbee is on board.
 Check how I said "And this may be a slightly different issue..."
 @TartanSpartan [Check how I said "And this may be a slightly different issue..."], hmm fair enough
 @Fuseteam [eh?], he said he was disgruntled that the BQ version of android on the M10 prevented installing apps to the SD card
 while generally, i think Android allows them to be installed there
 I didn't say it was the same thing, just that both are aided by a fix of allowing more granular control over storage (that's a very broad umbrella fix granted).
 however, UT never has had app install on SD card (though, it very well could allow it, given the way click works)
 @dohbee [he said he was disgruntled that the BQ version of android on the M10 prevented i …], that's what i thought we were talking about yes
 but installing apps there won't do anything about the data they create under `$HOME`
 right
 @dohbee [while generally, i think Android allows them to be installed there], Indeed. But another issue with that is my little burner Android seems to forget you indicating a preference for external storage and nearly chokes every time you update. And chokes in general because it seems even pulling up the OSK strains it's tiny memor
[20:35] <ubptgbot> y. But I digress.
 @dohbee [but installing apps there won't do anything about the data they create under $HO …], and generally that's the data that actually grow iiuc
 @dohbee [but installing apps there won't do anything about the data they create under $HO …], [Edit] and generally that's the data that actually grows iiuc
 too many big things going on right now, but in practice it really wouldn't be too hard to allow apps to be installed to SD card
 @dohbee [while generally, i think Android allows them to be installed there], [Edit] Indeed. But another issue with that is my little burner Android seems to forget you indicating a preference for external storage and nearly chokes every time you update, sometimes forcing you to manually move them under system settings. And chokes i
[20:36] <ubptgbot> n general because it seems even pulling up the OSK strains it's tiny memory. But I digress.
 guess tis something that we could save for after the 20.04 migration
 or someone else could work on it
 Right, and if a click app generated a big cache like Thunderbird does (Dekko does pretty much the same way IINM) it's better to write that to an SD card. Same with torrent files.
 click's code is generally pretty straightforward, and it's vala and python
 if that someone knows what to do yeah
 hence the generally pretty straightforward part
 Anything important is in the Vala, you probably won't need to touch the Python at all
 what would need to be done? :p
 The Python shouldn't exist any more
 @UniversalSuperBox [Anything important is in the Vala, you probably won't need to touch the Python a …], oh my
 well the python is where all the unit tests are
 where is this vala btw?
 The lib folder, I think
 but for someone that can understand C# or C-like syntax well enough already, it shouldn't be too difficult to figure out what's going on in click
 also should seumas file a feature request somewhere?
 probably
 @dohbee [but for someone that can understand C# or C-like syntax well enough already, it …], oh interesting
 another "easy" thing that can be done, is extending the list of writable locations for apps to store config/cache/data, so they can write to their own directories on SD card or in their own subdirectories of Documents/Downloads/etc… dirs
 @Fuseteam [also should seumas file a feature request somewhere?], Not 100% certain but I believe I may have way way back.
 @Fuseteam [also should seumas file a feature request somewhere?], [Edit] Not 100% certain but I believe I may have way way back. Or someone else did.
 I'll fact check that soon though.
 [Edit] I'll fact check that soon though. And file it if not.
 @TartanSpartan [I'll fact check that soon though. And file it if not.], cool!
 @dohbee [another "easy" thing that can be done, is extending the list of writable locatio …], that's also in vala?
 @Fuseteam [that's also in vala?], no, just apparmor rules in `apparmor-easyprof-ubuntu` would be needed
 oh hmmm
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 (Photo, 600x199) https://irc.ubports.com/V03P3wZe.png Me every single time I refresh my postal tracker...
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/QG0DKx7J.webp
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 @TartanSpartan [<reply to media>], yeah, I was the same way - especially since there was over a month when there were zero updates on the tracking sites between the handoff from DHL to USPS.
 I don't know why CANUSA border agencies need many weeks to pass a smartphone- just how many tests do they wish to run? Also, I believe in charging the device before you first use it to enhance battery life (maybe someone will offer different wisdom but eh), so customs playing with them first isn't the greatest.