[00:01] @TotalSonic [Not the greatest of a download speed - but I will take it!], I shouldn't show what my PC gets lol [00:05] (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/QH09OHIs.png [00:05] ... and I'm still not getting the full 100mps download that I am paying for [00:06] (Photo, 1280x632) https://irc.ubports.com/qqZKQpHR.png [00:06] I don't get the gig that I pay for. [00:06] And I have a $400 router. [00:06] and a $100 modem. [00:07] nice - wish they had gigabit fiber in these parts - but Google stopped putting in lines about 5 miles South of here [00:07] As far as I know, it's not fiber, but could be wrong. I'm surprised I even get this speed because I live in the country. [00:08] Middle of a bunch of corn fields. [00:09] It's not cheap though, internet bill is $112 every month :/ [00:11] @Braillynn [It's not cheap though, internet bill is $112 every month :/], I'm paying $100/month for my mediocre internet service - so you are doing well. [00:11] Oh shit! I wouldn't pay that much for that [00:11] Wonder if you would be better off with CalyxOS's internet thing. [00:12] @Braillynn [Oh shit! I wouldn't pay that much for that], I don't have a choice. AT&T is a little bit cheaper but offers even worse service. [00:13] https://members.calyxinstitute.org/enroll [00:14] Techlore did a video on the service if you're interested. [00:14] On YouTube and LBRy [00:19] @TotalSonic [I don't have a choice. AT&T is a little bit cheaper but offers even worse servi …], look at FreedomPop, they have some decent stuff and its AT&T based [00:19] @Braillynn [Oh shit! I wouldn't pay that much for that], Forgot I have a landline bundled in that bill. My wifey likes to have one still in case of emergencies. [00:20] (Photo, 500x500) https://irc.ubports.com/NAPoQnbJ.png [00:21] @TotalSonic [Forgot I have a landline bundled in that bill. My wifey likes to have one still …], and you can create a landline with PBX or VoIP service, or even mix them together [00:21] @Shakendo [look at FreedomPop, they have some decent stuff and its AT&T based], I'm talking about wired broadband ISP - where the choices here are Spectrum or AT&T - not mobile plans. [00:22] ahh ok, could probably do something with a FreedomPop hotspot? [00:24] @Shakendo [and you can create a landline with PBX or VoIP service, or even mix them togethe …], The whole point of a landline for emergencies is that it sometimes works when internet/cell doesn't. So relying on VoIP doesn't really make sense for this. [00:24] @Javacookies [I think printing was removed for some reason.], space, but now that oxide is removed? wonder if enough space for it [00:24] I realize this got way OT though. [00:25] @TotalSonic [The whole point of a landline for emergencies is that it sometimes works when in …], well the ISP platforms are all switching over to a VoIP solution, my house has one [00:26] @Shakendo [well the ISP platforms are all switching over to a VoIP solution, my house has o …], Yeah, I question the sense in paying for a landline myself, but that's a topic for elsewhere. [00:26] @Shakendo [well the ISP platforms are all switching over to a VoIP solution, my house has o …], [Edit] Yeah, I question the sense in continuing paying for a landline myself, but that's a topic for elsewhere. [00:27] @mateosalta [space, but now that oxide is removed? wonder if enough space for it], How many megabytes does the Oxide support take up in the OTA15 image anyway? [01:03] @TotalSonic [How many megabytes does the Oxide support take up in the OTA15 image anyway?], i'd venture as much as qtwebengine takes [01:07] ok, I take it back - now calls aren't working from 2nd SIM. Going to have to test a few things out. [01:08] if that's volla that could be related to halium 9 fwiw [01:09] there was an issue with calls on halium 9 that is being worked on iirc [01:11] @Fuseteam [if that's volla that could be related to halium 9 fwiw], yup - a restart got outgoing and incoming calls working again. [02:16] kekekekd was added by: kekekekd [02:29] @Braillynn [Techlore did a video on the service if you're interested.], Yes! I had 3mbps DSL Ina rural area, now with Calyx I'm getting around 20mbps! [02:30] @Scott [Yes! I had 3mbps DSL Ina rural area, now with Calyx I'm getting around 20mbps!], Nice! What tier? [02:34] yashvermazxz was added by: yashvermazxz [02:37] @Braillynn [Nice! What tier?], I joined the contributor plan. I've had it for 2 weeks now, I wish I had known of it sooner! [02:37] Hello members … As I'm new user to ubuntu … Can anyone suggest me using whatsapp in chrome is better or whatsdesk downloading … Which one is better … Please suggest [02:37] Things should improve with TMobile and Sprint merging I think. [02:38] @yashvermazxz [Hello members … As I'm new user to ubuntu … Can anyone suggest me using whatsapp in …], You can use WhatsApp in a browser? [02:38] @Braillynn [You can use WhatsApp in a browser?], Whatsapp web [03:02] arplusplus was added by: arplusplus [03:03] Hey I'm really curious about this project. Now I want to ask is this actually linux underneath. Like can I use apt get and make i ngnix server? Like raspberry pi? [03:03] Or it's a stripped down version of Ubuntu? [03:04] Like Macos - >ios [03:04] It is actually Linux underneath, but you won't find it easy to make your phone into a server. [03:04] Why not? [03:04] It's based on Ubuntu, but it's modified to make it more usable as a consumer device. [03:04] We generally don't suggest using apt to install software, mostly because it's breaky [03:05] 😒😑 Got it [03:06] So basically that mean no apache, ngnix, sql [03:06] Nodejs [03:06] Python etc [03:06] It's basically a limited mobile os [03:06] Like ios [03:06] Not easily. You could do it, but you'd be better off buying a Raspberry Pi instead of trying to turn your phone into a server. [03:06] Ubuntu Touch just isn't made for that. [03:07] The problem with raspberry pi is lack of available modules [03:07] I can use phone for taking pictures, record sound. It's a built in device [03:07] And walking server with storage [03:08] Walking computer [03:08] And arm chip [03:08] Raspberry pi cpu is 💩 [03:08] You can make the root filesystem read-write and install anything you want from the Ubuntu 16.04 repositories. But you can never use the image-based upgrades again, you'll run into limitations on the size of the root filesystem, and you'll probably end up with a broken phone in a few weeks of upgrading. [03:08] Phones are not servers in general, they have different needs and break more easily with server-grade tasks [03:09] @fredldotme [Phones are not servers in general, they have different needs and break more easi …], I was planning to host my decentralized app [03:09] You're root, you can do whatever you want. But you probably won't have an enjoyable experience. [03:09] On it but never mind [03:10] I'll use a small pc like raspberry or nvidia's jetson [03:10] Or something else [03:10] @UniversalSuperBox [You're root, you can do whatever you want. But you probably won't have an enjoya …], Hmm [03:10] @arplusplus the upgrade to Ubuntu 20.04 base will bring with it systemd, and thus `systemd-nspawn` which means you can spawn services as root inside containers, so you could use one of those in the future stored under `/home/phablet` [03:11] you could already do chroot but it's not that great [03:11] @Deathmist1337 [@arplusplus the upgrade to Ubuntu 20.04 base will bring with it systemd, and thu …], Interesting [03:11] You could make a chroot that launches with your session already. You could even keep the phone awake all the time so your server never goes down. Your battery life would be about 3 hours but it'd work. [03:13] ^^ I'll take a screenshot. Sound complex to me right now. New to UBport. But following the project for years [03:13] Overall, I'd advise against it. I don't think you'll have a good time, and you probably won't get anyone around here who will help you (since none of us do it) [03:14] Got it [03:14] Thankyou [03:37] @yashvermazxz [Hello members … As I'm new user to ubuntu … Can anyone suggest me using whatsapp in …], I do not use Whatsapp - but as far as I am aware the only thing that kind of works just for basic text chat with it right now is the WhatsWeb app available in the Open Store - https://open-store.io/app/alefnode.whatsweb [03:54] so I just updated my nexus 7 tablet, the open store doesnt wanna load now, nor does teleports, anyone else have this issue? [04:04] @Shakendo [so I just updated my nexus 7 tablet, the open store doesnt wanna load now, nor d …], Will have to dig mine up, haven't used it in a while, and battery on mine is barely charging up these days, so who knows whether it will power up [04:06] same for me, I use mine as an ebook reader, I wanted to add an app to it but the store never loaded, weboages are sorta working but thats about it [05:32] good now learn python [05:54] @Guillaume Gauvin [good now learn python], ? [06:14] (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc.ubports.com/NX7f9nrm.png [06:14] What is this error...?? [06:41] @TotalSonic [The whole point of a landline for emergencies is that it sometimes works when in …], Of you're using Spectrum for your landline, it's going via VoIP [06:42] @rocket2nfinity [Of you're using Spectrum for your landline, it's going via VoIP], Doh! [06:43] @rocket2nfinity [Of you're using Spectrum for your landline, it's going via VoIP], I did not know that - thanks for the info [06:43] Mskes sense though. [06:45] [Edit] Makes sense though. [06:46] @TotalSonic [The whole point of a landline for emergencies is that it sometimes works when in …], [Edit] If you're using Spectrum for your landline, it's going via VoIP [06:47] So go with VoIP.ms and save yourself a bundle. I pay $66 for spectrum [06:47] But I don't subscribe to cable [06:48] [Edit] But I don't subscribe to the TV package [06:51] Let us know if AT&T cuts you off with red pocket [06:52] On the Pine64 forums there are a couple of people still with service using them or other non-AT&T owned MVNOs [06:53] But Cricket and AT&T pre-pay are getting kicked. So, don't know if that will roll out to the other MVNOs [06:55] Would you mind moving the discussion about ISP plans to OT group please? [06:56] Gladly, if anyone still wants to continue it [07:03] Thanks. [07:04] Or, because this topic seems to be here on a regular basis, maybe even a new group "ISP plans and networks" might be interesting for some. [09:56] Bkuetooth doesn't seem to be working on the Nexus 6p [10:06] papasfilms was added by: papasfilms [10:09] A Bluetooth question, if I may... Does Bluetooth on UT support LE? [10:29] Hiroshi0w0 was added by: Hiroshi0w0 [10:33] is it possible to have your own ubuntu repository and update the system, for devices where it was ported already (hammerhead) ? [10:37] You can only use repositories inside a container (Libertine) [10:38] System apps don't use a repository [10:46] Talmid Levi was added by: Talmid Levi [10:48] I'm not finding the proper documentation on how to customize and build UBPorts for Nexus 5 and have a repo for your own system updates, is this possible? [10:49] can I remove system apps? [10:49] or add change system apps? [10:50] You can but it's complicated 😉 [10:51] I was considering to integrate SIP calling in the tel app if possible [10:52] the linphone port is not very usable [11:04] @klaartje_b [A Bluetooth question, if I may... Does Bluetooth on UT support LE?], I think BLE is supported [11:05] @nanu_c is there documentation how to do it? [11:08] maybe here: https://gitlab.com/ubports/core/rootfs-builder-debos/-/blob/master/systemimage-builder.yaml [11:11] @Talmid Levi [@nanu_c is there documentation how to do it?], Actually you don't want to build hundreds of debian packages but if you want that experience with 1 command, then look into postmarketos [11:12] postmarketos on nexus 5 doesnt have sound working though [11:13] so it's discouraged to use it [11:25] @Nicktl [I think BLE is supported], it kind of work but in my experience, it usually has issue like disconnecting or problem when reconnecting. [11:44] @UniversalSuperBox [Overall, I'd advise against it. I don't think you'll have a good time, and you p …], I feel mobian or hubris mobian is better for the server setup [11:46] Its just Debian plus phosh plus phone firmware [12:02] @UniversalSuperBox [You could make a chroot that launches with your session already. You could even …], systemd-nspawn is better as it fully "boots" the chroot, meaning you can run services inside it and systemd fully works, it's great for ostree systems like fedora silverblue where the package manager relies on a daemon so if you're USB bo [12:02] oted nspawn works really nicely as a recovery tool [12:07] @Javacookies [it kind of work but in my experience, it usually has issue like disconnecting or …], Thank you both, good information. I'm currently involved in a round of Pebble wrangling. [12:11] @Talmid Levi [I was considering to integrate SIP calling in the tel app if possible], if you want to do that you could look at the dailer app repo, but there so many different ways to call over sip etc it makes it all over complicated to find a common denominator [12:12] @Talmid Levi [I was considering to integrate SIP calling in the tel app if possible], [Edit] if you want to do that you could look at the dailer app repo, but there so many different ways to call over sip etc, it makes the app over-complicated. [13:01] @Fuseteam [if you want to do that you could look at the dailer app repo, but there so many …], I am more interested in having a customized OS without the OpenStore and a sip client on it [13:05] @Talmid Levi [I am more interested in having a customized OS without the OpenStore and a sip c …], how so? i'm just saying you can make changes in the code here(https://github.com/ubports/dialer-app) if you want but it will make it more complicated to maintain [13:06] and how do I deploy these changes to the phone? [13:07] ubuntu touch also makes use of image updates so if you go the traditional repo route you might have to forego ota updates [13:07] @Talmid Levi [and how do I deploy these changes to the phone?], ubports-qa it should be documented in the repo [13:08] [Edit] ubuntu touch also makes use of image updates so if you go the traditional repo route you might have to forego ota updates, which means you'll have to keep up to date in another way [13:08] @Talmid Levi [and how do I deploy these changes to the phone?], [Edit] `ubports-qa` it should be documented in the repo [13:09] i should mention the dialer-app isn't the only component involved in calls [13:45] Hi [13:46] hi [14:00] So my pine phone has a circle on the screen [14:00] When inturn it on [14:01] The lock sreen [14:02] we all have that circle i think [14:03] we call it the stat circl [14:03] [Edit] we call it the stat circle [14:04] Ok [14:04] Calendar too [14:04] So my apt repow don't work [14:04] Where can i get good ones [14:06] wait now i'm confused, what is the issue with the stat circle? do you mean you see a circle in the calendar too? [14:07] are trying to use apt on ubuntu touch? if so, that not supported. basically because apt is not made to work with a readonly rootfs [14:07] The ring [14:07] [Edit] are trying to use apt on ubuntu touch? if so, that not's supported. basically because apt is not made to work with a readonly rootfs [14:07] Its a calendar [14:07] Ok [14:07] How do. Get good apps [14:07] uh yeah it kinda is a calendar, but its more than that [14:07] Do I got to write them [14:07] Ok [14:08] apps are available in the openstore, and yes we need more app developers or packagers really [14:08] Yeah its kinda snall [14:08] Small [14:09] Id would like ff [14:09] yeah firefox needs to be repackaged/ported for ubuntu touch [14:09] Ok [14:09] also partly its a gtk application [14:10] I tried to use burgerking [14:10] Wifi [14:10] But it has one of tho dns redirects [14:10] And I couldn't get current browser to bypass isl warning [14:10] Ssl [14:13] If inhad a browser I could put nextcloud and last pass on that [14:13] Ssh and I'm good for a phone [14:13] @Talmid Levi [and how do I deploy these changes to the phone?], You can use crossbuilder [14:13] oh the captive portal thingie [14:13] But its good so far [14:13] Yeah [14:14] also morph is a browser fwiw [14:14] Me and words suck [14:14] Aye [14:14] tho it doesn't support extensions atm [14:14] Going to wee hpqnit handles it [14:14] God keyboard so bad [14:15] It not pine fault any phone is like this for me [14:15] kinda wonder what it would take to port lastpass to the UT 🤔 tho we don't have an autofill service either [14:15] what's the issue with the keyboard? too small keys? bad autocorrect? [14:16] [Edit] kinda wonder what it would take to port lastpass to the UT 🤔 tho we don't have an autofill service yet either [14:16] Phone keyboards are generally awful [14:17] I'm just a mechanically gal [14:17] I miss keys [14:18] oh because its a touch screen keyboard [14:18] Yes [14:19] meh i still gotta finish flick either way :v still not satisfied with it due to some of its current quirks :v [14:19] @dohbee [Phone keyboards are generally awful], Quoted for truth. I dream of a Cosmo Communicator with UT on it. [14:20] tis a WIP iirc [14:20] Well I think I broke camera [14:20] It is just black [14:20] i think piece has exactly that [14:21] eh? was it working before? [14:21] Slowly [14:21] Like smearing across [14:21] https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io/device/pinephone/ [14:21] i think camera is still a work in progress [14:26] Ok [14:27] Audio is cute [14:27] Played some music [14:27] 👀 [14:27] How is it with movies and TV show codecs [14:28] i don't know how it is on the pinephone, sometimes are are device specific bugs [14:28] Ok [14:29] Tty need food [14:42] @arplusplus [Hey I'm really curious about this project. Now I want to ask is this actually li …], You could... But it won't be easy ;) [14:44] (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/Qp4pFNEV.png I’m getting this weird message in the slot where it shows cell reception. As you guys can see, it says denied. As could be expected from that message, I have no reception. This is the first time I’ve see this message. Ever. In any phone and OS. Does anyone know what is going on with t [14:44] hat? [14:48] @JIHP334 [], Hmm this project is far from completion [14:48] I think it will run ok on supported devices [14:49] Maybe the dream of having open OS for smartphone will remain a dream [14:49] I don't consider android open [14:50] Neither I consider any smartphone os depend on amazon, google infrastructure open [14:50] Something that's dependent on Protonmail, singal, open source maps [14:51]