[00:21] <trupsalms> Using Ubuntu 18.04, I'd like to use iptables instead of ufw
[00:22] <trupsalms> Service or systemctl iptables restart, error service doesn't exist
[00:22] <Rexodus> ufw IS iptables.
[00:22] <Rexodus> So you removed iptables? ;)
[00:23] <trupsalms> I perfer not to use ufw, and stick to editing iptables directly via Nano or iptables -A command
[00:25] <Rexodus> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UncomplicatedFirewall
[00:29] <trupsalms> I'm trying to do post routing iptables
[00:29] <trupsalms> For openvpn
[00:29] <installer8> Is there a way to change the apt repo / mirror during install? I'm in Australia and deaults are very very slow -it's taken over 45 mins to get packages so far!
[00:29] <installer8> The default AU mirror for ISO download is slow as hell too.
[00:30] <trupsalms> The file exists /etc/iptables/rules.v4
[01:06] <gnutec> hey there! What is wrong with Ubuntu Software? I can't access the package information that is installed.
[01:07] <gnutec> No wait! Now is good.
[01:09] <gnutec> Just need to reboot the system after installation or the updated the system.
[01:09] <gnutec> :)
[01:09] <oerheks> !yay
[01:14] <gnutec> I add the melpa too. And install emacs-auto-complete and 2048-games. :-)
[01:15] <davidsong> Is it just me, or does the release upgrade tool suck bigtime for servers?
[01:15] <davidsong> I mean, the default should be to keep my config and continue working until it reboots and not ask stupid questions every 2 minutes
[01:16] <davidsong> Leave it running, come back to a question. Wait... do something else, get asked another stupid question
[01:16] <oerheks> err, no, release upgrade tool, i would stop the services.
[01:17] <oerheks> so i won't get such questions
[01:17] <davidsong> yeah, can't really stop SSH
[01:17] <davidsong> I stand to the back of the elevator that doesn't have doors because I like to keep my arms and legs attached
[01:17] <leftyfb> davidsong: the release upgrade tool is not an unattended upgraded tool. It's not meant to be unattended and it's not meant to default it's way through the entire process
[01:18] <davidsong> but regardless, it's a stupid, unsafe elevator design
[01:18] <davidsong> so it's meant to be a bag of spanners?
[01:18] <leftyfb> davidsong: it's a tool to bring you through the upgrade process
[01:18] <davidsong> I get that, it's just not a very good one
[01:19] <leftyfb> davidsong: either way, feel free to file bug reports if you find issues. Or download the source and develop your own tool that fits your personal needs
[01:20] <davidsong> okay, thinking more productively... Is there a flag for dpkg that accepts the default action when doing installs?
[01:20] <leftyfb> davidsong: you can use debconf to pre-answer the questions
[01:21] <davidsong> because "do-release-upgrade --get-on-with-it --and-reboot-when-done" would be an ideal default
[01:21] <davidsong> that's part of the .deb files?
[01:21] <leftyfb> davidsong: https://serverfault.com/a/407358    # I don't know how/if this applies to do-release-upgrade. I don't think it does
[01:22] <davidsong> oh cool thanks
[01:23] <oerheks> do-release-upgrade -f DistUpgradeViewNonInteractive
[01:23] <davidsong> awesome, thank you
[01:24] <oerheks> it still can prompt for some foreign stuff, iirc
[01:24] <davidsong> hmm, so documentation bug I guess. that should be in the manpage but isn't
[01:25] <davidsong> Thanks for the help
[01:25] <oerheks> have fun!
[01:26] <davidsong> Sorry for the grumblings. I've been up and down out of the freezing cold attic, risking waking kids and neighbours up over and over again because ssh was down
[01:27] <davidsong> until ssh was reconfigured, I had to stand up there answering questions about whether I'd like my server's various configs to be destroyed or not
[01:27] <davidsong> waiting an eon between questions
[01:29] <davidsong> The reason being because I was upgrading over ssh and had been waiting for it for hours, forgot about it, it got stuck on one of the questions (would you like me `shred` your finely tuned nginx config? [y/N]), then closed my laptop
[01:30] <davidsong> If it had just done as it was told it'd probably have finished before I'd closed my laptop
[02:23] <dnivra> Hello! I'm running Kubuntu 20.04.2. I upgraded the system's firmware using fwupdmgr and it seems the ethernet no longer works after the upgrade was done. Looking at networkmanager logs in syslog, it seems the link is up fine so I'm unsure why it's failing. https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/QBP2RJsmHX/ has the networkmanager logs from syslog but that doesn't seem to be of much help(at least to me). Does someone have any suggestions what I should probably look for
[02:23] <dnivra> to debug the problem?
[03:02] <Nitrousoxide> leftyfb: I just tried that command and I get this error https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/hWKVNngmXV/
[03:22] <toeMeat__> lol, i can't believe how long it took me to figure out how to long onto here. total linux noob over here
[03:22] <toeMeat__> hi all, btw
[03:24] <Bashing-om> toeMeat__: Welcome to ubuntu support - General chat is in the #ubuntu-offtopic channel :D
[03:24] <toeMeat__> Bashing-om: thank you
[04:14] <monkwitdafunk> How do you connect to a captive portal via command line?
[04:19] <leftyfb> monkwitdafunk: your question is not an ubuntu support question
[04:20] <oerheks> some hints https://askubuntu.com/a/1053610
[04:20] <oerheks> but not comandline..
[04:31] <monkwitdafunk> How use a captive portal when in text mode? - Unix & Linux Stack Exchange (https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/464843/how-use-a-captive-portal-when-in-text-mode)
[04:32] <monkwitdafunk> I should have ordered Ubuntu desktop from linuxcollections dot com
[04:39] <cncr04s> autoremove wants to remove my php7.4 packages but my apache webserver uses 7.4, how do I tell apt I'm still using these
[04:40] <leftyfb> cncr04s: install it
[04:41] <cncr04s> its already installed
[04:41] <cncr04s> in fact it just told me to update them lol
[04:41] <leftyfb> cncr04s: sudo apt install php7.4
[04:41] <cncr04s> already did that
[04:41] <leftyfb> you did that and it still wants to autoremove it?
[04:41] <cncr04s> yes
[04:42] <cncr04s> https://i.gyazo.com/8682e474a463fa8c178360a75f97d78a.png
[04:46] <cncr04s> k nvm I think I had to do them all
[04:48] <cncr04s> the first time it only updated them aparently
[07:13] <unixbsd> today911: Hi !
[08:04] <Johnnyboi> hello, do you guys think it is probable sound issue on dell xps 9700 will be fixed ever? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-ucm-conf/+bug/1912673 ? I am just wondering if I it is common to fix these kinds of issues
[08:24] <lotuspsychje> Johnnyboi: i see you tested a lot of kernel versions already, did you also test those on clean liveusb's?
[08:27] <alterjsive> is there a communit chat for canonical microk8s?
[08:27] <lotuspsychje> Johnnyboi: 21.04 has got 5.10 kernel recently, maybe an idea to test a live?
[08:27] <lotuspsychje> i dont think so alterjsive but we got an #ubuntu-server
[08:27] <lotuspsychje> !alis | alterjsive see also
[08:28] <Johnnyboi> lotuspsychje okay i can try
[08:28] <alterjsive> lotuspsychje: thanks!
[08:30] <nikolam> My LAN card , integrated in HP 800 G1 TWR is simply not comping up ;( (Intel 82574L ) Xubuntu 20.10
[08:32] <lotuspsychje> nikolam: 21.10 not out yet
[08:32] <nikolam> It is managed by netplan, for having also another LAN card (also Intel, e1000e driver,)
[08:32] <lotuspsychje> 20.10
[08:32] <nikolam> 20.10 sorry :)
[08:33] <lotuspsychje> nikolam: 21.04?
[08:34] <nikolam> 82574L and I217-LM (rev 04) , eno1 is not working, enp3s0 (add-on PCI-E card) is working
[08:35] <nikolam> I did a restart and it's the same. Previously I left it working on eno1 only and went to sleep. When it came back from standby, this.
[08:35] <nikolam> I'll try to power cycle it, but I tries unloading and loading module e1000e and it didn't "catch" eno1.
[08:35] <nikolam> tried
[08:36] <lotuspsychje> nikolam: can you mention your ubuntu release please
[08:37] <nikolam> lotuspsychje, wow, 20.10 Linux xdesk 5.8.0-43-generic #49-Ubuntu SMP Fri Feb 5 03:01:28 UTC 2021 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux  .. lsb_release -a : Description:	Ubuntu 20.10 , Xubuntu 20.10
[08:37]  * nikolam going to power cycle
[08:46] <lotuspsychje> nikolam: does your driver active on sudo lshw -C network?
[08:49] <nikolam> lotuspsychje, even after power cycle it doesn't come up as eno1.. No, on sudo lshw -C network , it says this: https://pastebin.com/aASUB6MH
[08:49] <nikolam> Maybe I could boot on some previous version before updates, since I have BTRFS and apt-btrfs-snapshot on /
[08:50] <lotuspsychje> nikolam: *-network UNCLAIMED means driver not loaded
[08:50] <lotuspsychje> nikolam: can you pastebin your dmesg please?
[08:50] <nikolam> Or check hardware functioning in another OS on dual boot
[08:52] <nikolam> yes lotuspsychje https://pastebin.com/3z1PKWdS
[08:53] <nikolam> Maybe I should check booting previous state of system and another OS to check hardware working.
[08:54] <nikolam> Also, last I remember is I disabled in GUI PCI-E interface LAN and woke up seeing it rebooting instead of waking up from standby and not seeing integrated LAN anymore, but workin gon PC-E one
[08:56]  * nikolam is rebooting to previous state of 20.10 and other os to check
[08:57] <johnnyboy> lotuspsychje well im trying the 21.04 live version downloaded from https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/  , I have no sounds, and when I wrote uname -r it gave me 5.8.0-36-generic .  sudo upgrade would give me 5.10 but it requires restart, not really sure how it works on live ?
[08:59] <lotuspsychje> johnnyboy: oh right, might need physical install then, or on your current system test things with the !mainline kernels
[09:29] <lotuspsychje> johnnyboy: more luck ?
[09:30] <johnnyboy> lotuspsychje sounds do not work with 5.10.0-14-generic  , it just shows "dummy output" in sound settings too
[09:30] <lotuspsychje> hmmm pretty weird
[09:30] <lotuspsychje> johnnyboy: you also tryed that oem kernel version right?
[09:31] <johnnyboy> i only tried  the 5.8 that came with the install and this 5.10.0-14-generic that came after upgrading
[09:34] <lotuspsychje> johnnyboy: the bug you posted also mentioned 5.4 and an oem kernel
[09:35] <johnnyboy> i dont understand why sounds work on kernel 5.6  but not 5.10 ?
[09:37] <lotuspsychje> johnnyboy: some brands might need the oem kernel for brand specific tweaks baked in to make everything work properly
[09:39] <mIk3_08> It means that new and shiny is always good johnnyboy; looks doesn't matter anyway.
[09:39] <nikolam> lotuspsychje, I thonk my eno1 is somehow hardware problem.. When in Other os and in Device manager I disable, then enable internal LAN, and reboot into Ubuntu 20.10 , LAn is online. When restarting again it is not.
[09:39] <mIk3_08> It means that new and shiny isn't always good johnnyboy
[09:40] <nikolam> In other os, again it is not working on fresh boot , needs disable/enable to work. Also previous Ubuntu before recent updates behaves the same.
[09:41] <nikolam> In previous period I used ot use internal LAN exclusively with no fuss, but I witnessed recently eno1 link going down and up on itself. So could be indeed hardware issue.
[10:55] <Squarism> the amount of inconsistency in linux desktop is staggering. Its like its a totally uncoordinated endevour that never will catch up with osx/windows
[10:55] <Squarism> im on ubuntu 20.04 and want to set my mouse wheel speed. google and it explodes into bash scripting and downloading executables. Wtf
[10:57] <Squarism> I say this from the POV as a developer since 20 years and MSc in CS.
[10:58] <summonner> !ot Squarism
[10:58] <summonner> #ubuntu-offtopic  please
[10:58] <Squarism> ok
[11:17] <tete_> hi, i am running xubuntu 20.10. i have the problem with thunderbird that it always opens firefox instead of chromium. i use chromium for daily stuff, firefox only for very rare dev tests. can someone please tell me how i can tell thunderbird to use chromium instead of firefox? its so annoying to always copy the link and paste it into chromium
[11:22] <summonner> tete_, if you have a URL in a terminal, and right-click on it and say "open URL" what happens?
[11:22] <tete_> summonner, firefox opens
[11:22] <tete_> interesting, i thought its only related to thunderbird
[11:23] <tete_> https://www.startpage.com - for testing purposes...
[11:23] <tete_> same, its firefox
[11:23] <tete_> so its a xubuntu thing ?
[11:23] <tomreyn> yes, it's your desktop's configuration
[11:23] <tete_> my default browser in default applications is chromium
[11:24] <summonner> this might help  https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/net-default-browser.html.en
[11:24] <tete_> in settings - default application
[11:24] <summonner> ah okay so you've done that?
[11:24] <tete_> i did not yet read your link but i checked the settings, yes - and i configured it some time ago
[11:24] <tete_> but i installed firefox after that configuration
[11:24] <tete_> the icon looks wierd tho in the settings - default applications - internet browser
[11:25] <tomreyn> xubuntu is not ubuntu, i guess it needs a different configuration. have you asked in #xubuntu?
[11:25] <tete_> thats special... i changed the chromium browser to /usr/bin/chromium-browser and now it opens the urls with chromium
[11:26] <tete_> even tho it stated "Chromium Browser" in the UI
[11:26] <tete_> seems like it used firefox as fallback or so
[11:26] <summonner> and it works in thunderbird now?
[11:26] <tete_> yes i just checked it
[11:26] <tete_> works now in xchat too
[11:26] <tete_> and in the terminal
[11:27] <tete_> wierd, thanks
[11:27] <summonner> no worries
[11:27] <finish> #ubuntu-ru
[11:33] <finish> ##ubuntu-ru
[11:34] <tomreyn> finish: it is:     /join #ubuntu-ru
[11:34] <finish>  /join #ubuntu-ru
[11:34] <tomreyn> no " " before "/join #ubuntu-ru"
[11:35] <finish> thx
[11:51] <Hamidreza> Hi guys, I'm binding my service on a name but couldn't bind till I remove following line about ipv6 in /etc/hosts :
[11:51] <Hamidreza> ::1 mongodb.test.local mongodb.test
[12:02] <day> is there a dedicated ubuntu arm channel?
[12:03] <pasiz> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelList
[12:03] <pasiz> #ubuntu-arm
[12:03] <day> ty
[12:33] <PolitikerNEU> Hi everyone, is it possible to somehow download something to upgrade a system from 16.04 to 18.04 (and then to 20.04) so that the upgraded system doesn't have to have a (good) internet connection? Preferably I'd like to just copy some files somewhere and then execute a command. The download should happen from a windows machine preferably
[12:35] <tomreyn> PolitikerNEU: not for supporte dupgrade path, i think. that's because apt will need to resolve dependencies, and apt only runs on ubuntu, not windows.
[12:37] <tomreyn> in the past you could download the target release iso, mount it, set it up as an apt source and use that to upgrade, but i'm not sure that's still possible with the image based installers.
[12:39] <tomreyn> there's also apt-offline, but i'm not sure it can (or should) be used for release upgrades
[12:39] <PolitikerNEU> it would also help if it'd reduce the required download by 90% or so.
[12:40] <tomreyn> can you discuss the use case more? maybe there are other, better, options?
[12:42] <PolitikerNEU> ok, the use case is the following: I currently have an existing 16.04 installation of ubuntu, where the drivers for my usb wifi don't work, so I have to use a worse USB wifi which has extremely bad connection. As I hope that in newer distributions it might be supported, I want to upgrade.
[12:43] <tomreyn> can you use an ethernet connection?
[12:43] <tomreyn> do you have a usb-to-ethernet dongle you could attach?
[12:43] <tomreyn> do you have a smartphone and a usb connector to it, so you could tether through the smartphone?
[12:44] <PolitikerNEU> well, not realistically for (a) and no for (b)
[12:44] <PolitikerNEU> Smartphone with USB tethering, however, could be an option
[12:44] <jeremy31> PolitikerNEU: do you have the USB IDs for these wifi dongles?
[12:46] <PolitikerNEU> The working, but bad one has 7392:7811 (Edimax EW-7811Un)
[12:46] <PolitikerNEU> The other one I can only guess from being the "added" device in lsusb: 2357:0106 - but it doesn't even have a description
[12:47] <PolitikerNEU> (it's a TP-Link Archer T9UH)
[12:48] <jeremy31> PolitikerNEU: https://github.com/aircrack-ng/rtl8814au should work for the TP Link, not sure if it will build on 16.04
[12:49] <PolitikerNEU> well, I will try it
[12:50] <jeremy31> PolitikerNEU: https://github.com/pvaret/rtl8192cu-fixes might fix the 7811
[12:51] <tomreyn> just for the upgrade, your smartphone is probably the easiest option, though
[12:52] <PolitikerNEU> well, yeah, then I will try to go forward with that option
[12:56] <PolitikerNEU> how would I use the usb tethering on ubuntu?
[13:03] <diazepan> :)
[13:05] <jeremy31> PolitikerNEU: Just plug the phone into the computer using the USB cable, then go into the phones network options and find where to enable USB tethering
[13:19] <oddcoder> Hello world
[13:19] <oddcoder> this is ubuntu 16
[13:20] <oddcoder> I need to debug grub in there (more of read the assembly and possibly get debug symbols
[13:20] <oddcoder> but I have no idea where to get the source code for the exact grub version .. let alone the debug symbols for the currently installed grub
[13:21] <tomreyn> how about this suggestion: skip debugging this grub version and upgrade to a release that'll still have support in two months instead.
[13:22] <oddcoder> I will not be able to do due to complexities
[13:22] <tomreyn> unless you have a farm of ubuntu systems and have an ubuntu advante contract providing you with ESM?
[13:22] <tomreyn> *advantage
[13:23] <oddcoder> lets just say that in our complex environment, we know that this ubuntu version work
[13:23] <oddcoder> I just need to know how to get grub symbols
[13:23] <oddcoder> and source code for the current ubuntu
[13:24] <Maik> oddcoder: 16.04 you mean, not 16
[13:25] <tomreyn> !ddeb
[13:25] <tomreyn> !ddebs
[13:26] <tomreyn> !source
[13:28] <oddcoder> Maik: yes
[13:28] <oddcoder> I cannot figure the package name for grub
[13:28] <tomreyn> apt list --installed *grub*
[13:28] <oddcoder> yes I looked there
[13:29] <oddcoder> there is grub-common/now, grub-gfxpayload-list/enial,now
[13:29] <oddcoder> and few other `now` packages which I a not sure what ate they
[13:29] <oddcoder> are*
[13:31] <tomreyn> "grub-common/now" suggests the package (version) you have installed is not one you could install from any apt repository you have configured at this time. this can point to unsupported third party packages.
[13:31] <tomreyn> but you'll need to provide more info to get better answers.
[13:34] <tomreyn> after running    sudo apt update    , running    apt policy <PACKAGENAME>    on any installed *grub* package, as well as     apt policy    output itself, would be a way to get started.
[13:35] <oddcoder> I see so no symbols
[13:35] <oddcoder> I thought that grub was not tamper with in my ubuntu version
[13:35] <oddcoder> alright thanks
[13:49] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[15:22] <seanicus> I installed mysql-server But when I tried to join it gives an Error 2002 (HY000), and when I start the service using "service mysql start" it says Failed to start mysql.service: Unit mysql.service not found.
[15:23] <seanicus> Despite doig "apt install mysql-service" like all the tutorials say online, Ubuntu hasnt registered mysql as a service.  what am i doin gwrong?
[15:29] <aebraham> Happy Sunday, all
[15:30] <aebraham> Does anyone know a channel that's dedicated to GNOME and its apps?
[15:31] <leftyfb> seanicus: services are now under systemd ; sudo systemctl start mysql
[15:32] <seanicus> leftyfb: from what i could tell, the service command is a wrapper for systemctl.  Regardless, when I run that command, I get the same exact error.
[15:32] <leftyfb> seanicus: then you didn't install mysql-server properly
[15:32] <leftyfb> seanicus: what version of ubuntu?
[15:33] <seanicus> Linux sean-ubuntu 5.8.0-43-generic #49~20.04.1-Ubuntu SMP
[15:33] <seanicus> so i think that's 20.04.1
[15:33] <leftyfb> seanicus: lsb_release -d
[15:34] <seanicus> Ubuntu 20.04.2 LTS
[15:34] <leftyfb> seanicus: apt-cache policy mysql-server # please use pastebin
[15:35] <seanicus> https://pastebin.com/raw/GpLEhbGx
[15:35] <leftyfb> seanicus: try to reinstall it: sudo apt install mysql-server --reinstall
[15:37] <seanicus> leftyfb: yeah, doesn't work, same error comes up.  I've restalled mysql numerous times
[15:47] <aebraham> Question about Builder: trying to use it for web development (apache and php) but I want to edit files in my /var/www/html/ dir.  Builder, unfortunately can't find that folder like my other editors can.  Any ideas?  (Note: I installed it with Flatpak)
[15:51] <leftyfb> aebraham: what is Builder?
[15:51] <leftyfb> aebraham: also, we cannot support anything installed with Flatpack
[15:56] <tomreyn> seanicus: if you have no exisiting databases you need to keep, just purge all mysql* packages, then install mysql-server (not "mysql-service" as you wrote)
[15:57] <tomreyn> also, before (re-)installing, move /var/lib/mysql out of the way
[15:57] <aebraham> leftyfb: Builder is a GNOME app for programming projects.  Just curious, what's wrong with Flatpak?
[15:57] <aebraham> tomreyn: I got disconnected. Could you repeat your first message?
[15:57] <leftyfb> aebraham: it's not a supported package manager here
[15:58] <tomreyn> aebraham: i wasn't addressing you there.
[15:58] <aebraham> leftyfb: Gotcha
[15:59] <aebraham> leftyfb: What about snap?
[15:59] <leftyfb> aebraham: that is supported.
[16:01] <tomreyn> aebraham: it may be a good idea to address the connectivity issue first before addressing other problems.
[16:02] <aebraham> tomreyn: Sorry, my connection is real spotty right now. Will check in later
[16:12] <seanicus> tomreyn: blech, wont even letme uninstall all my mysql packages.  says "too many errors"
[16:13] <seanicus> ill try this later.
[16:15] <lotuspsychje> seanicus: try include a pastebin of your apt errors, so volunteers can see whats going on exactly
[16:23] <seanicus> lotuspsychje: sure, but i have to take off for the day.  https://dpaste.org/icZh
[16:28] <tomreyn> i repasted this to paste.ubuntu.com, the pastebin we recommend here, which uses a monospaced font, which is what you want for examining terminal output and logs most of the time:  https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/25tpJzNhQj/
[16:30] <seanicus> i assume you didnt put a time limit on it...oh well.
[16:30] <tomreyn> "This paste expires on 2021-02-28."
[16:30] <seanicus> i did dpaste because half of freenode insists on my using it.
[16:30] <seanicus> Oh, nice.
[16:36] <tomreyn> this package (and, on a first glance, also the system it is installed on) is in a rather bad state. try operating on it directly with dpkg, not apt commands, instead.
[16:36] <krytarik> I believe that'd also be monospace though if you chose "Plain Code" rather than "Plain Text"
[16:45] <tomreyn> the /var/lib/mysql directory contains aria_log.* files, which are usually created when using the 'araia' mysql storage engine. which the mysql server community edition you have installed does not provide support for.
 also, before (re-)installing, move /var/lib/mysql out of the way
[16:46] <tomreyn> oh you did, sorry.
[17:01] <frad> my cursor is way too fast, meaning if I delete text on any application, I erase too much too fast. Can I slow it down?
[17:15] <unixbsd> the package manaplus is  broken: Segmentation Fault  (in Groovy).
[17:16] <unixbsd> Since manaplus is not working, could we have Planetshift or Eternallands into the repositories?
[17:34] <TJ-> unixbsd: that package is inherited from Debian. No Ubuntu developer touches it
[17:35] <unixbsd> I make it already recompiled.
[17:35] <unixbsd> I have made a deb for supertuxkart, ioquake and eternallands for amd64 / x64
[17:36] <unixbsd> I will check on a cleaner groovy with debootstrap... to check if it comes from a lib...
[17:46] <coconut> frad, i couldn't check(do not use gnome here), but look here -> https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/mouse-sensitivity.html
[17:47] <s8548a> leftyfb: hi, how r u?
[17:48] <s8548a> the error "failed to fetch hash sum mismatch" was due to my ISP !
[17:49] <s8548a> I just tried to switching to another connection after reading this: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/116641/how-do-you-fix-apt-get-update-hash-sum-mismatch
[17:49] <seanicus> tomreyn: yeah, ill probably reinstall my distro anyway, ive been meaning to. thanks
[17:50] <s8548a> and this "sudo apt install virtualbox-guest-dkms virtualbox-guest-x11" got it worked
[17:50] <s8548a> leftyfb: Thanks again :)
[17:51] <unixbsd> is not dkms by default?
[17:52] <unixbsd> I use this and get headers, "http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/6.1.14/virtualbox-6.1_6.1.14-140239~Debian~stretch_amd64.deb"
[17:52]  * s8548a :)
[18:32] <bl> hi, i recently upgraded from 16.04 to 18.04 and i'm having some issues which i am having a difficult time characterizing...
[18:34] <bl> sometimes i essentially lose the ability to interact with UI with the mouse.  the mouse will still move across the screen but the pointer will not change it's look and i clicking on anything has no effect
[18:34] <bl> so i have to navigate entirely via the keyboard
[18:35] <bl> i'm really not sure how but sometimes i am able to regain control
[18:37] <bl> i opened hexchat in a terminal window and i'm seeing some (what i assume to be) error messages...
[18:38] <EriC^^> bl: can you pastebin the errors?
[18:38] <bl> for example:
[18:38] <bl> (hexchat:9431): Gdk-CRITICAL **: 13:14:09.128: IA__gdk_window_get_events: assertion 'GDK_IS_WINDOW (window)' failed
[18:38] <bl> is it alright to share them here?
[18:42] <tomreyn> bl: use the pastebin, see /topic
[18:42] <bl> it's super odd...i have them copy and pasted into gedit (which, i also opened gedit from a terminal, and there are errors in that terminal as well) i was able to copy and paste that first one but when i back to try to copy the second i've lost control via the mouse again
[18:42] <tomreyn> also post     journalctl -bk
[18:43] <tomreyn> and tell us about how you upgraded, and whether the upgrade went well
[18:44] <bl> these errors, btw, show up when i click the mouse inside one of these windows...so like right now when i click inside the gedit window the sequence of errors show up in the hexchat terminal
[18:44] <bl> i upgraded from the ubuntu prompt to upgrade, like after checking for updates it prompts you to upgrade
[18:45] <bl> i think the upgrade went well...video drivers weren't there so and i eventually figured that out...had to install the kernel source and headers then install from the ppa
[18:46] <bl> sound also wasn't working but that was pretty quickly resolved by installing a package i can't remember the name of
[18:46] <EriC^^> bl: if you use alt+tab to go to hexchat, the mouse works properly?
[18:50] <bl> EriC alt+tab will change to the window but it will not really allow me to regain control via the mouse
[18:50] <bl> (hexchat:9431): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: 13:14:09.129: g_object_ref: assertion 'G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed
[18:51] <bl> so for example i was able to alt+tab to get focus back to that gedit window and then navigate via the keyboard to copy that error i just shared
[18:51] <tomreyn> how did you install video drivers, and which video hardware do you have there?
[18:54] <bl> i can actually change focus between windows via the mouse by hovering the mouse over a window (i can't remember but i think that wasn't working a moment ago), but i still cannot interact with the windows
[18:55] <tomreyn> medium_cool[away: please don't change your nickname to indicate /away status while on this channel.
[18:55] <bl> tomreyn i installed video drivers with the following commands:
[18:55] <bl> sudo apt-get install linux-headers-generic
[18:55] <bl> sudo apt-get install linux-source
[18:55] <bl> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:graphics-drivers/ppa
[18:55] <bl> sudo apt update
[18:56] <bl> sudo apt upgrade -y
[18:56] <leftyfb> !paste | bl
[18:56] <bl> sudo ubuntu-drivers devices
[18:56] <bl> sudo apt install nvidia-driver-390
[18:56] <leftyfb> bl: please use pastebin
[19:06] <Hash> tomreyn | medium_cool[away: please don't change your nickname to indicate /away status while on this channel. ...
[19:06] <Hash> Why?
[19:07] <coconut> Hash, just unpleasing, a lot do give up on (and status you can give without changing username)
[19:07] <Hash> So, figure out your own issues.
[19:08] <Hash> Don't police people because YOU find something unpleasing for YOUR eyes.
[19:08] <Hash> Most people either set /away or /nick to nickname_ (tail) or [away] or some other indication.
[19:08] <Hash> The fact that a person even thinks he can try to control another in this manner is disgusing and abhorrent.
[19:09] <Hash> Very much against the spirit of 'freedom' and 'humanity'...
[19:09] <Hash> Or... Ubuntu as you like to call it.
[19:10] <EriC^^> bl: can you pastebin the result of 'cat /var/log/syslog | nc termbin.com 9999'
[19:11] <bl> EriC i should be able to do that...one thing i've noticed is right now no matter where i click the sequence of errors show up in the terminal running hexchat
[19:11] <bl> i just got pastebinit installed
[19:13] <Hash> bl: you can always apt-get install netcat (nc). Then just `command here (ls / or cat something) | nc termbin.com 9999
[19:13] <Hash> bl: you can pipe things to termbin.com on port 9999 using netcat for pasting of all kinds of results.
[19:14] <Hash> cat /proc/cpuinfo | nc termbin.com 9999
[19:14] <Hash> For example
[19:14] <Hash> https://termbin.com/5zqj
[19:14] <Hash> I hope that helps.
[19:14] <bl> Hash, thanks let me try that
[19:14] <Hash> :)
[19:15] <bl> also i think someone asked me about hardware a bit ago
[19:15] <bl> geforce gtx 550 ti
[19:15] <Hash> You can also pipe hwinfo or lspci/lsusb etc. etc. output as well to share.
[19:15] <tomreyn> Hash: if you have questions regarding the Ubuntu IRC Guidelines (link in /topic), feel free to ask in #ubuntu-ops
[19:16] <Hash> tomreyn: I like transparency. I don't like discussions behind closed doors.
[19:16] <Maik> tomreyn: better in #ubuntu-irc
[19:16] <Hash> tomreyn: if that's nothing you can entertain here, np. I don't have to discuss it. Just know... if you ever say anything as silly as that to me, I'll simply ignore you.
[19:17] <bl> Hash i followed that link...AMD Ryzen 7 5800X i'm jealous
[19:17] <leftyfb> Hash: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines
[19:17] <bl> it's like HexChat has taken control of the mouse
[19:17] <tomreyn> Hash: i noted your opinion, now let's focus on the topic.
[19:18] <Hash> Carry on.
[19:19] <Hash> bl: 64gb RAM as well. Still an old GPU. GTX 275.
[19:19] <Hash> Market is short/tight
[19:20] <bl> https://termbin.com/06hw
[19:20] <bl> i want to upgrade this year, though probably will go with the 5600X
[19:21] <Hash> I got greedy. I don't need or even use all this computing power.
[19:21] <Hash> My eyes were bigger than my stomache.
[19:21] <bl> also i don't know what happened but i was just able to copy and paste that termbin.com link i shared (06hw) a moment ago
[19:21] <bl> haha :)
[19:21] <Hash> Makes it easy
[19:22] <Hash> If you find yourwork working in tty, not X, then apt install gpm
[19:22] <Hash> General Purpose Mouse
[19:22] <Hash> You can copy/paste in terminal/tty without X and use mouse.
[19:25] <bl> (interestingly right now i can highlight to copy from a terminal but focus no longer follows the mouse)
[19:25] <bl> i'll take a look at gpm
[19:25] <Hash> I have no idea about untu or anything.
[19:25] <Hash> I don't use Ubuntu.
[19:26] <leftyfb> bl: if you've got pastebinit already installed, that's easier to use than termbin. cat /proc/cpunfo | pastebinit
[19:26] <leftyfb> Hash: then why are you here?
[19:26] <Hash> I use the underlying distribution for packages only. I use Xmond, urxvt, chromium browser, and virtualbox.
[19:26] <Hash> So, whatever some Unity or whatever WM/DE Ubuntu uses, I've no idea.
[19:27] <ThinkT510> Hash: the ubuntu default nowadays is a customised gnome3
[19:27] <bostongeek36> its using gnome again
[19:27] <bostongeek36> so gdm
[19:27] <bostongeek36> i would assume would be default
[19:28] <Hash> I use a Kubuntu base ISO, and I use KDEWM=xmonad in my ~/.xsessionrc
[19:28] <Hash> I like Qt more than GTK personally. But that's neither here nor there.
[19:28] <bostongeek36> make sure your xsession isn't borked
[19:28] <Hash> Kubuntu comes with sddm
[19:29] <Hash> I've had the same setup on desktop and laptop for over 12 years now.
[19:29] <Hash> I don't expect it to break magically.
[19:29] <bl> https://termbin.com/s39d <- these are the sequence of errors that keep showing up in the terminal that hexchat is running from
[19:29] <bostongeek36> sometimes using a customize thing ontop of a more standard thing causes unforseen issues
[19:29] <Hash> In fact, I've not even changed my background wallpaper. Same image for 12 years.
[19:29] <leftyfb> Hash: please stay on topic
[19:30] <Hash> bl: those errors can be negleceted in full.
[19:30] <coconut> Hash, #ubuntu-offtopic for that
[19:30] <bostongeek36> ive had issues trying to use i3 with gnome so checking things might not be a bad idea no matter how long it has worked
[19:31] <Hash> bl: in the code, it is only making certain assertions which failed. Unsure why it asserts something unless in test case.
[19:31] <Hash> I've never seen GDK assertion errors before out side of unit testing.
[19:31] <Hash> But this happens to me too when I use Hexchat. These errors can be ignored.
[19:32] <bl> Hash oh you see those errors when you start hexchat from a terminal?
[19:32] <Hash> Correct
[19:32] <bl> ah
[19:32] <bl> ok
[19:32] <Hash> As well on an Firefox
[19:32] <Hash> And few other GTK applications.
[19:33] <bl> i just think it's odd that those errors will show up regadless of where i click
[19:33] <bl> so i can click on a browser window and nothing will happened except those errors will show up in the hexchat window
[19:33] <Hash> You could report them to #hexchat or their github issues section
[19:33] <Hash> They don't show up in the Hexchat window.
[19:34] <Hash> They show up in the terminal window where hexchat was launched from cli. This gives program output on stdout
[19:35] <Hash> The same errors are there when you launch Hexchat from application menu
[19:35] <ash123> Hi all! I am not able to change screen brightness on my laptop (amd ryzen 5). It used to work when I used windows. Can anyone please help to point out the reason?
[19:35] <Hash> It's just... they don't get dispalyed anywhere. The go into oblivion.
[19:35] <bl> no, they don't show up in the hexchat window, just the terminal from which hexchat is launched/running.  and they show up when i click anywhere on the whole desktop, even if i click on a browser window for example.
[19:35] <Hash> You can pipe the output of hexchat to a log file as well instead of stdout
[19:36] <bl> generally speaking i can't launch things from the Dock
[19:36] <Hash> I wouldn't worry about it.
[19:36] <Hash> Hmm
[19:36] <Hash> I can't help with that. I use keyboard shortcuts and xmonad extentions for launching things.
[19:36] <bl> i think it just shows that no matter what i'm doing hexchat is still intercepting? mouse events
[19:40] <bl> and it's not just hexchat that does this. sometimes when i am able to get another application launched, i think synaptic for example, i'll see this same thing
[19:41] <tomreyn> bl: my guess would be that you're either an incompatibility in the nvidia driver, or a problem caused by mixing packages from different sources (i.e. ubuntu's and third parties')
[19:41] <Hash> Nope.
[19:41] <Hash> Just generic GTK nonsense output. You can safely ignore it.
[19:41] <tomreyn> yes, this is my guess
[19:42] <Hash> I've a pure ubuntu system, and I've the same exact outputs in various GTK software
[19:42] <Hash> 20.04 specifically
[19:42] <tomreyn> i'm referring to the unwanted / unexpected behaviour, not the GTK warnings messages which are pretty common and best ignored most of the time.
[19:42] <Hash> Oh ok
[19:43] <bl> yea, i believe  you guys that i can ignore those errors.  the content of the error messages is no longer particularly interesting to me, it's more when they show up.
[19:44] <Hash> Don't launch thigns from cli then :)
 also post     journalctl -bk
[19:44] <Hash> Use the application menu
[19:44] <tomreyn> bl: ^ did you post a kernel log, yet?
[19:46] <bl> tomreyn should i start with journalctl -b -k ?
[19:46] <Hash> They can be combined, the switches
[19:46] <tomreyn> it's actually -kb
[19:47] <tomreyn> so   journalctl -kb    ("dmesg" would also work)
[19:48] <tomreyn> please use the pastebin at https://paste.ubuntu.com
[19:49] <bl> https://termbin.com/x166 (when i combine as "-bk" i get "Failed to parse boot descriptyor 'k'")
[19:49] <tomreyn> see above regarding -kb
[19:50] <bl> https://termbin.com/x166 <- thaks, i use -kb for this
[19:52] <tomreyn> unrelated, but you should investigate those repeating (during device initilization only) messages regarding a USB device: usb 1-4.1: reset high-speed USB device number 5 using ehci-pci
[19:53] <bl> tomreyn, thanks i'll look into that
[19:56] <tomreyn> bl: you should also try to verify that NVIDIA UNIX x86_64 Kernel Module version 390.141 actually supports your old nvidia hardware
[19:58] <bl> tomreyn i actually checked on nvidia's website.  i downloaded from Nvidia NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-390.141.run, though i only downloaded it and actually installed from the ppa
[20:00] <bl> tomreyn it might just be the video card though.  i really want a new computer this one is pretty old
[20:02] <bl> though it does seem odd *things* seem to get into a state where HexChat seems to capture all mouse events
[20:02] <bl> also what is the best way to share a screen shot?
[20:02] <tomreyn> bl: i might be wrong (because i'm not really into nvidia graphics) but i think this graphics card hasn't been supported by nvidias' driver for a long time.
[20:03] <tomreyn> imgur.com works for sharing screenshots
[20:04] <brutex> how can i write a .iso to flash from terminal
[20:05] <ThinkT510> brutex: you mean to a usb stick as an image rather than just copying a file?
[20:06] <brutex> yes
[20:06] <ThinkT510> brutex: sudo dd if=/path/to/image.iso of=/dev/sdX status=progress
[20:06] <leftyfb> brutex: https://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/creating-a-bootable-ubuntu-usb-stick-on-a-debian-linux/
[20:06] <ThinkT510> make sure you pick the right device
[20:06] <brutex> i mean read/write to stick
[20:06] <Hash> I use nouveau driver for nvidia and I'm happy with it. In fact, I can't do 3d accelt in nvidia but I can in nouveau driver in virtualbox
[20:07] <leftyfb> brutex: follow the link
[20:07] <Hash> The open source driver even does pci passthrough. nvidia binary does not, or I couldn't get it to work
[20:08] <Hash> Unless you do graphics/cad/3d modeling/rendering or gaming, you can probably be just find with the open driver
[20:08] <Hash> You might look into it and abandon nvidia binary altogether.
[20:08] <Hash> (in the spirit of freedom)
[20:10] <Hash> brutex: sudo cp file.iso /dev/sdX
[20:11] <Hash> brutex: dd works as well of course, but you can always copy/cp a file to a block device node
[20:12] <Hash> cp doesn't give progress, for which you'd have to run it through `pv', or just wait until it's done.
[20:14] <tomreyn> bl: https://nvidia.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/3142/~/support-timeframes-for-unix-legacy-gpu-releases states that nvidia still supports the 390 series driver until end of 2022. and the page it links to below, http://www.nvidia.com/object/IO_32667.html , states that the 390.xx driver supports geforce gtx 550 ti. so, according to this, it should indeed still work. i would suggest you also have a look at the X server initialization log
[20:14] <tomreyn> (which is available in the full system log,    journalctl -b   ), which may hint on driver related problems, though.
[20:17] <bl> tomreyn i can't get the screen shot i want, the menus are also odd looking.  so for example the menus in the terminal window are all mashed together like "FileEditViewSearchTerminalHelp"
[20:20] <tomreyn> bl: that's probably a problem that's not related to the nvidia driver. can you install the    apt-forktracer   package and post the output of the    apt-forktracer    and    sudo apt-get update     and    apt-cache policy   commands?
[20:20] <bl> tomreyn that's good to know...it maybe that the 550 ti is supported but (and this might be a bit cynical) that doesn't mean it's bug free, or that enough people are running it that even if nvidia knew of a bug that they'd priortize fixing it
[20:21] <bl> tomreyn i should be able to do all that
[20:22] <bl> tomreyn going back to something you said earlier perhaps i have third party packages? (i think that's what you said) installed which are causing conflicts?
[20:22] <tomreyn> that's what we're trying to find out using the above commands
[20:23] <bl> also, as an aside, does anyone has any thoughts on reliable video cards?  or thoughts on how to evaluate them?
[20:26] <bl> https://termbin.com/jrym <- the output from apt-forktracer
[20:27] <bl> maybe by "reliability" i mean stability and support
[20:29] <tomreyn> looks like you have some package sinstalled which are meant to be used on "Xenial" (Ubuntu 16.04) still. And none of your currently configured APT repositories provide these packages.
[20:29] <tomreyn> (look for "xenial" in your apt-forktracer output)
[20:30] <tomreyn> also any of the packages it reports with no [square brackets] on the line lack an apt source, so can't get (security and other) updates through apt.
[20:38] <bl> tomreyn so it seems like best next step would be to uninstall those xenial packages
[20:40] <tomreyn> bl: Yes, either that, or find APT repositories providing those packages (those you want/need to keep) compatible with your current Ubuntu release ("bionic").
[20:42] <bl> tomreyn i'd be happiest to just remove those for now and worry about replacing them when my system is working better (or just be happy it's stable and leave well enough alone). just don't want to remove those if you think it'll leave me with nothing working :)
[20:43] <bl> "bl no warranty express or implied, but go ahead and remove them"
[20:43] <tomreyn> things should rather work better than worse after removing those packages and installing any pending updates
[20:46] <bl> tomreyn that makes sense to me.  think i should go ahead and reboot after removing them?  also, apt update will get pending updates, correct?
[20:54] <DarwinElf> how do you mount a ZFS on *ubuntu?  I see several packages when I searched aptitude, but not the main openzfs/zfs-on-linux one... is it already included or is it renamed?
[21:04] <Peanut> DarwinElf: I think you need to install zfsutils-linux on Ubuntu - that's what I'm running on 20.04.
[21:05] <Peanut> DarwinElf: And that pulls in all the other requirements.
[21:07] <bl> removing those packages seems to have improved the appearance of the menus
[21:10] <bl> but i'm definitely still having the problem not being able to interact with my computer with my mouse
[21:11] <tomreyn> bl: so what's the output of apt-forktracer now, and what about the outputs of the other comamnds?
 bl: that's probably a problem that's not related to the nvidia driver. can you install the    apt-forktracer   package and post the output of the    apt-forktracer    and    sudo apt-get update     and    apt-cache policy   commands?
[21:14] <tomreyn> bl: also try disconnecting your webcam, see whether this helps.
[21:15] <bl> tomreyn the webcam, not the keyboard :)
[21:15] <tomreyn> that's the device listed in the    lsusb   output with [046d:0825]
[21:15] <bl> https://termbin.com/evxs
[21:17] <bl> that's the output from apt-get update
[21:17] <tomreyn> so no warnings or errors there?
[21:18] <bl> https://termbin.com/6gxp <- apt-forktracer
[21:18] <tomreyn> i'm asking because you may have missed reporiting those, depending on how you send the output to termbin.com
[21:18] <tomreyn> * senT
[21:19] <tomreyn> you should definitely remove or upgrade the postgresql packages
[21:19] <DarwinElf> thanks
[21:19] <bl> yea i'll deal with postgres now
[21:20] <tomreyn> also remove libpng12-0 libpng12-dev
[21:20] <bl> also i see no errors or warning in the apt-get update
[21:20] <tomreyn> ok
[21:21] <tomreyn> "https://packagecloud.io/slacktechnologies/slack/debian jessie" refers to Debian, not Ubuntu - make sure these packages are actually compatible to Ubuntu 18.04, not just just the 'jessie' release of Debian
[21:21] <bl> alright, maybe a dumb question but if something depends on those libraries will apt object?
[21:21] <tomreyn> yes, but it wont
[21:23] <tomreyn> this suggests that the "https://packagecloud.io/slacktechnologies/slack/debian jessie" is normal on Ubuntu 18.04: https://linuxize.com/post/how-to-install-slack-on-ubuntu-18-04/
[21:29] <bl> tomreyn postgres is gone and thanks for checking about the slack package
[21:30] <bl> whenever i run synaptic the mouse disappears completely
[21:31] <Waggie> Just a general comment: I've been avoiding JACK for *years* because it just seemed a bit convoluted, especially with qjackctl (just had no idea where to start, really), and also afraid of hosing my audio.. However, I was running into issues trying to coerce Pulseaudio to do a few things so I bit the bullet today and did the Ubuntu Studio thing with Carla. Wow!! How have I survived this long without it? :)
[21:31] <bl> https://termbin.com/11ch <- new apt-forktracer output
[21:34] <bl> https://termbin.com/4e21 <- apt-cache policy
[21:34] <bl> sorry
 also remove libpng12-0 libpng12-dev
[21:34] <bl> https://termbin.com/4e2i
[21:35] <bl> right, the first was just removed the second was not installed
[21:36] <tomreyn> both were installed
[21:36] <bl> oh
[21:37] <tomreyn> once that's done, install ppa-purge and use it to   sudo apt-purge ppa:graphics-drivers/ubuntu
[21:37] <bl> oh, yea you're right
[21:37] <tomreyn> !ppa-purge
[21:38] <bl> tomreyn i know i can look this up myself but what is libpng12
[21:39] <bl> i mean it no doubt has something to do with png files
[21:41] <bl> tomreyn also i feel like all these things you're suggesting are getting me closer...i was just able to get context menus and minimize several windows...really appreciate all your help
[21:41] <bl> (though hexchat still seems to take over the mouse)
[21:44] <bl> tomreyn i have installed ppa-purge but i thin apt-purge is not a command
[21:45] <tomreyn> bl: right, libpng* is a library which can be used by other software to work with PNG files. now, there are different versions of this library, and your current Ubuntu release doesn't support this old '12' (probably 1.2) version of this library.
[21:45] <tomreyn> !info libpng16-16 bionic
[21:46] <tomreyn> !info libpng12 xenial
[21:46] <tomreyn> !info libpng12-0 xenial
[21:47] <tomreyn> so xenial has libpng12-0, bionic has libpng16-16
[21:47] <bl> so, should the upgrade have dealt with that?
[21:48] <tomreyn> yes, i don't know why this package is still installed. but libpng16-16 is likely already installed.
[21:49] <tomreyn> chances are that one of the other outdated packages you have since removed depended on libpng12-0, so it was kept during the upgrade.
[21:54] <bl> sudo apt purge ppa:graphics-drivers/ubuntu just says it is Unable to locate package ppa:graphics-drivers
[21:59] <tomreyn> bl: sorry, this should have been:   sudo ppa-purge ppa:graphics-drivers/ppa
[21:59] <bl> i was just looking back a that, was about to suggest that
[22:00] <tomreyn> also note that "sudo apt purge ..." is not the same as "sudo apt-purge ..." ;-)
[22:02] <tomreyn> bl: when this is all done, post    cat /proc/{version,cmdline}
[22:03] <bl> tomreyn so after that my video drivers will be unistalled
[22:03] <bl> correct?
[22:03] <tomreyn> bl: the ones from the ppa will be uninstalled, but the ones provided within ubuntu will remain available
[22:05] <tomreyn> you may need to run ubuntu-drivers autoinstall afterwards
[22:05] <bl> https://termbin.com/3ul4
[22:05] <bl> that's the output from the cat command
[22:05] <bl> tomreyn you know a lot of commands
[22:05] <bl> :)
[22:06] <tomreyn> and half of the commands i know are wrong. it's actually    sudo ubuntu-drivers install
[22:07] <bl> i think autoinstall will install 460
[22:07] <bl> i ran into this before
[22:07] <tomreyn> okay, then don't run it yet. run    sudo ubuntu-drivers devices    first
[22:08] <tomreyn> then    sudo ubuntu-drivers list
[22:08] <bl> thanks, i almost remember that one
[22:08] <bl> i termbin those rn
[22:11] <bl> https://termbin.com/zmr1 <- sudo ubuntu-drivers devices
[22:12] <bl> https://termbin.com/4wbl <- sudo ubuntu-drivers list
[22:12] <bl> tomreyn i think because 460 is recommended autoinstall will install that
[22:13] <bl> but if i'm following you next is sudo ubuntu-drivers install nvidia-driver-390
[22:14] <tomreyn> apparently the proprietary drivers manager thinks that your graphics card is supported by any of these drivers. i do not know whether that is the case, i assume it is not.
[22:15] <tomreyn> bl: if you plan to install the nvidia-driver-390 driver then indeed,     sudo ubuntu-drivers install nvidia-driver-390     would be the next command to run.
[22:15] <bl> tomreyn i'm inclined to stay with the version nvidia recommended from their site
[22:16] <tomreyn> so give that a try, and reboot after it installed - assuming it does so without error
[22:16] <tomreyn> note that you also have the option of going with 340 series there, just in case oyu want to try something even older.
[22:17] <bl> tomreyn so just, i'm sure this is obvious but i just want to say it directly, rn since the ppa was removed will there not be a video driver unless i run that command?
[22:17] <bl> (yea i may try the 340 series at some point
[22:18] <bl> tomreyn so when i sudo updatedb and locate -i nvidia | grep ko i see /lib/modules/4.15.0-135-generic/updates/dkms/nvidia.ko among others
[22:39] <tomreyn> bl: the ppa may provide a newer, less tested, version of the same series of drivers as ubuntu provides out of the box.
[22:39] <tomreyn> i suggest using the well tested driver version unless you have reasons to need to resort to the PPA
 bl: the ppa may provide a newer, less tested, version of the same series of drivers as ubuntu provides out of the box.
 i suggest using the well tested driver version unless you have reasons to need to resort to the PPA
[22:42] <tomreyn> ppa-purge removes packages which were installed from a PPA. If packages of the same name are available in Ubuntu itself (the remaining apt sources after the PPA is removed), these packages are not removed but just downgraded to the version that is available in Ubuntu.
[22:42] <tomreyn> As such, I would expect a package downgrade to an earlier version of nvidia-driver-390 to happen
[22:50] <bl> tomreyn again, thank you for your help so far.  couple things i've found 1) sudo ubuntu-drivers install nvidia-driver-390 gives "ubuntu-drivers: error: unrecognized arguments: nvidia-driver-390" and 2) i found https://askubuntu.com/questions/1118621/cannot-install-nvidia-390-driver-ubuntu-18-04 which recommends (seeing about) purging nvidia-* and libnvidia-*, what do you think about that?
[22:51] <openface> how to copy file to read-only flash
[22:51] <tomreyn> !info nvidia-driver-390 bionic
[22:52] <bl> and what about sudo apt install nvidia-driver-390
[22:52] <tomreyn> bl: ^ this package does exist.
[22:53] <bl> sudo apt install nvidia-driver-390 instead of sudo ubuntu-drivers install nvidia-driver-390
[22:53] <brutex> cp: cannot create regular file Read-only file system
[22:53] <brutex> how to copy file to read-only system to flash
[22:55] <tomreyn> bl: the output you got from "sudo ubuntu-drivers install nvidia-driver-390", which was "ubuntu-drivers: error: unrecognized arguments: nvidia-driver-390", may suggest that you cannot specify the driver to install this way. maybe you need to run "sudo ubuntu-drivers install" and it will then ask whihc one to install?
[22:55] <tomreyn> i haven't used this utiliuty in a good while, trying to stay away from nvidia graphics cards
[22:56] <bl> tomreyn do you use radeon then?
[22:57] <trupsalms> i have a server with nginx reverse proxy to apache, the same machine is also a dns server, client using it as a dns can reach the resource behind nginx,outside connections can, i'm not sure if it a networking issue or nginx issue, or even apache. my only concern is beibg able to reach it from all directions
[22:57] <bl> (i'm just looking at /usr/bin/ubuntu-drivers)
[22:57] <tomreyn> bl: amdgpu and i915 driven hardware, but my preferences and hardware configuration would be more suitable in #ubuntu-offtopic
[22:58] <brutex> how to format flash in terminal
[23:00] <bl> tomreyn no, install didn't prompt me it just installed 460
[23:01] <bl> i'm going to reboot and try this tho
[23:02] <brutex> how to format flash in terminal with dd
[23:09] <brutex> how to format stick in terminal
[23:12] <oerheks> brutex, what are you trying to do? writing a file to the installation iso on usb?
[23:13] <oerheks> btw one does not format an USB with dd, use mkfs.vfat /dev/sdXY
[23:22] <bl> tomreyn well i installed version 390
[23:22] <bl> 460 doesn't work
[23:23] <bl> i used apt install to do so
[23:23] <bl> and apt remove to remove 460
[23:23] <bl> things are better but not truely fixed
[23:24] <bl> like i don't know how or why but right now i have not mouse cursor on the screen at all
[23:25] <bl> i did for a while but i don't know what happened
[23:29] <tomreyn> bl: hmm, well, you can still give the HWE X and kernel a try:
[23:29] <tomreyn> !hwe | bl
[23:30] <tomreyn> bl: a reboot will be needed to boot the new kernel. if this doesn't help either, you'll need to pass along your X server log.
[23:33] <bl> https://termbin.com/8whs <- Xorg.0.log, https://termbin.com/tqjr <- Xorg.1.log
[23:36] <oerheks> Nvidia 550 ti is Fermi based which is no longer supported by drivers higher than 390.
[23:36] <oerheks> https://forums.developer.nvidia.com/t/gtx-550-ti-support-on-410-66/66980
[23:42] <bl> oerheks gotcha, thanks.  yea 390 is what i have installed and what i'm running right now
[23:44] <openface> how to format usb stick from terminal
[23:50] <ruedii> openface, what format do you want it?  You format it the same as a hard drive.
[23:50] <openface> how
[23:51] <ruedii> Look up the device name, (if you automounted the drive it should be listed in mtab)
[23:51] <ruedii> unmount the drive.
[23:51] <oerheks> use mkfs.vfat /dev/sdXY
[23:52] <oerheks> or ext4, ntfs or something else
[23:52] <ruedii> if you need to change the drive format type, use fdisk to change the partition type, otherwise use the appropriate mkfs tool on /dev/sdXY as mentioned.
[23:52] <ruedii> I recommend f2fs or ext4.
[23:53] <oerheks> depends, if you want to put an iso on it, fat32 it is
[23:53] <ruedii> While Linux does fine detecting ext4 disks in disks partitioned as "dos/windows" windows will choke on it and try to reformat it on you.
[23:54] <oerheks> yeah, he never read it
[23:54] <ruedii> BTW, unlike Windows, Linux supports FAT32 partitions over 2GB.  I mean WTF Microsoft.  FAT32 supports up to 16TB without breaking spec.
[23:55] <ruedii> FAT32 supports larger volumes than LBA mode on hard drives.