[00:00] <ubptgbot> <X YZ> @UniversalSuperBox [Meet people where they are for security and privacy. Some people are okay with t …], How about meet them and help them make the next step? Why let people unknowingly use tracking apps when better alternatives are available? Esp.before they get so used to one tool that the change becomes more difficult. 😉
 Because there's a thin line between making a suggestion and sounding elitist, and it's hard not to cross it when someone doesn't ask for advice
 @JIHP334 [Yeah], https://forums.ubports.com/topic/5580/how-to-configure-nordvpn-on-ubuntu-touch … https://forums.ubports.com/topic/553/private-internet-access-app/2 … there are some useful guides in forums.ubports.com
 yeah there's nothing more annoying than 'Hi, how do I do X' 'Well why don't you do Y instead, it's better' 'Yeah but I want to do X' 'Well, Y is better though, so do Y.' 😆
 @ee [https://forums.ubports.com/topic/5580/how-to-configure-nordvpn-on-ubuntu-touch … h …], Thanks!
 and … https://ubports.com/blog/ubport-blogs-news-1/post/using-vpn-in-ubuntu-touch-3065
[00:06] <ubptgbot> <X YZ> @UniversalSuperBox [Because there's a thin line between making a suggestion and sounding elitist, an …], Where do you see a suggestion in what I wrote? I only pointed out information the recipient was possibly not aware of. … Not warning and leaving people to their fate could be considered elitist, too.
 It's funny, I just watched a discussion amongst security/privacy advocates about this recently: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgoEFb_DoJY&t=147s
 @X YZ [Where do you see a suggestion in what I wrote? I only pointed out information th …], Words matter. "Sure that's what you want?" is a bit extraneous of a sting
 I don't claim to have all the answers... But they discuss the "you shouldn't use x" problem
 hehe, elutuhsism
 @JIHP334 [Is there any way to use an openvpn configuration profile with the vpn manager in …], it dangerous to go alone! take this: … https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/issues/1520
 @X YZ [How about meet them and help them make the next step? Why let people unknowingly …], unless lastpass is doing vendor lock-in it won't be too difficult to switch, a native UT app xD
 @PiecerEdd [yeah there's nothing more annoying than 'Hi, how do I do X' 'Well why don't you …], agreed xD
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 @Fuseteam [it dangerous to go alone! take this: … https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/iss …], that's very interesting. I want to make a shellscript that creates the connection files in … /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections … Some config settings are different depending on the VPN provider, so there should be a menu where the user can se
[01:12] <ubptgbot> lect their provider and then provide the ovpn files. … Still haven't tried
 and those files don't contain the user's password, so some manual step would still be needed
 @ee [that's very interesting. I want to make a shellscript that creates the connectio …], in case it was too cryptic, that issue is being worked on, chances are you will be able to import ovpn files directly in the near future
 great! 👌
 @X YZ [Quite a few trackers in lastpass according to https://reports.exodus-privacy.eu. …], Yeah... Now that I have it set up I don't want to switch it
 (Photo, 960x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/N709h990.png
 It's alive!
 You can see why i stopped using it :D
 Talking about the one on the left
 Also look how tiny it is compared to the pinephone!
 Can you have icons "on the desktop" on ut?
 Also, how do I call morph browser from the terminal? morph-browser https... doesn't seem to be working, a.d neither xdg-open https...
 @saligari [Can you have icons "on the desktop" on ut?], There are apps for that. So, yes.
 oh, I need to look through bug reports more often https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/issues/1149#issuecomment-564690605
 someone may have found a way to set balance :)
 @saligari [Also, how do I call morph browser from the terminal? morph-browser https... does …], apps ae launced differently on ubuntu touch due to the confinement model
 to quote the famous words "ubuntu touch is not a traditional distro"
 morph is deb though so I would guess it can be launched like usual in the terminal
 not sure about passing a URL though
 @saligari [Also, how do I call morph browser from the terminal? morph-browser https... does …], ```ubuntu-app-launch morph-browser```
 ubuntu-app-launch is IIRC the command that launches all ubuntu touch apps, deb and click ones. It does more than calling the executable; it also sets the environment for the app
 @TronFortyTwo [ubuntu-app-launch morph-browser], can confirm
 @saligari [Can you have icons "on the desktop" on ut?], btw why are you trying to launch morph from the commandline?
 @Fuseteam [btw why are you trying to launch morph from the commandline?], Thanks <3. I'd like to set a cronjob to open a URL of an online radio to have as an alarm to wake up :)
 @saligari [Thanks <3. I'd like to set a cronjob to open a URL of an online radio to have as …], Pin me interested on a radio-alarm too. Maybe we could add a request in the uRadio app...
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 @saligari [Thanks <3. I'd like to set a cronjob to open a URL of an online radio to have as …], cronjobs aren't really supported either, sounds like a nice app idea tho :3
 @Gorsh2 [Pin me interested on a radio-alarm too. Maybe we could add a request in the uRad …], or the alarm app 🤔
 @saligari [Thanks <3. I'd like to set a cronjob to open a URL of an online radio to have as …], url dispatcher will launch a url, but you would probally have to write your own daemon to make an alarm?
 would be a cool alarm app feature
 alarm app launches, would be intresting
 yeah i think it could be an alarm app feature, instead of a ringtone, it open an url with url dispatcher
 [Edit] yeah i think it could be an alarm app feature, instead of a ringtone, it opens an url with url dispatcher
 would be cool, timed app launches
 actually doesn't calendar also send reminders?
 events yeah
 would be a nice way to scedule some things, like users wanted to do with cron :)
 @Fuseteam [cronjobs aren't really supported either, sounds like a nice app idea tho :3], Whaaaat
 @saligari [Whaaaat], ubuntu touch is not a traditional linux distro, and phones are not traditional personal computers
 @mateosalta [would be a nice way to scedule some things, like users wanted to do with cron :)], if wishes were fishes, i'd be swimming in riches
 Scheduling thing should be easier when systemd is in, assuming it reads timers from the user directory instead of read-only storage.
 after systemd we can maybe create a click hook and apparmor profile for apps to provide things run in intervals
 and yes, one should be able to create their own timers in home dir
 I can install Ubuntu in infinix note 5 styles mobile
 https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io for supported devices for Ubuntu Touch
 @dohbee [https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io for supported devices for Ubuntu Touch], My Mobile not showing in list
 Help me how I can install
 you cannot install then
 I want use it
 you will have to create a port then
 @ShaikhZameer [I want use it], You need to make a port. Its noat an Android ROM
 @ShaikhZameer [I want use it], [Edit] You need to make a port. Its not an Android ROM
 as it says on the page when you search for your device
 It's android rom
 @mateosalta [would be a nice way to scedule some things, like users wanted to do with cron :)], yeah it would, still stick the clock app has what we are looking for :P
 Android 10rom
 @ShaikhZameer [My Mobile not showing in list], quick question, did you know there is a search box above the list?
 Ther also not showing
 (Photo, 406x402) https://irc.ubports.com/8GbLPYM0.png i mean don't you see something like this?
 Yes
 @ShaikhZameer [Yes], well did you try to click that link?
 @Fuseteam straying a little rude/direct
 wasn't my intention sorry
 our frustration is showing ;)
 kinda yeah, we have such an amazing devices page and people still ask "my device is not in the list, how do i install?"
 i suspected maybe the search field isn't obvious enough but that doesn't seem to be the full story
 It's incredible how the supported device list quickly ballooned up from 11 to 58, so that those of us who have been following this project will lilely feel there are lots of viable options for people to choose from. But we should be understanding that this kind of project will also attract interest from people who wish to extend greate
[17:34] <ubptgbot> r life into the device they already own, and that many of these people are not able to afford a new device just to try out UT.
 [Edit] It's incredible how the supported device list quickly ballooned up from 11 to 58, so that those of us who have been following this project will likely feel there are lots of viable options for people to choose from now. But we should be understanding that this kind of project will also attract interest from people who wish to ex
[17:35] <ubptgbot> tend greater life into the device they already own, and that many of these people are not able to afford a new device just to try out UT.
 [Edit] It's incredible how the supported device list quickly ballooned up from 11 to 58, so that those of us who have been following this project for a while will likely feel there are lots of viable options for people to choose from now. But we should be understanding that this kind of project will also attract interest from people wh
[17:35] <ubptgbot> o wish to extend greater life into the device they already own, and that many of these people are not able to afford a new device just to try out UT.
 uh yeah that isn't the issue discussion above, the issue is that people don't seem to read or understand what it means if a device is not on the list
 and they don't read group description or anything, so constantly having to repeat the URL and such :)
 repeating url is somewhat less frustrating than "my device is not on the list! what do do i?"
 [Edit] repeating the url is somewhat less frustrating than "my device is not on the list! what do do i?"
 considering the page answers that question
 yeah
 twice even 🤔
 Yeah, it's too bad we can't pin multilple messages to the top of this Group. I just keep a note that I can copy and paste the answer to the constant porting question.
 we can, but people don't read pins either
 and teleports maybe doesn't support the multiple pins stuff
 granted, people asking these questions probably aren't on teleports anyway
 @TotalSonic [Yeah, it's too bad we can't pin multilple messages to the top of this Group. I j …], we can and we do in the welcome group, you wouldn't believe how many people still ask
 People who asking this  same question are ususally brand new here and often have English as a second (or third) language too
 [Edit] People who are asking this  same question are ususally brand new here and often have English as a second (or third) language too
 you should the how elaborate one of the pinned messages is in the welcome group lol. but again i don't really mind pointing them to the pinned messages and or the device page
 tis the follow up that grows tedious sometimes, granted them not having understanding english well enough is a fair point
 (Photo, 353x199) https://irc.ubports.com/fNT3ydL0.png not sure if we can simply this much more tho
[18:31] <ubptgbot> <Chris Wyatt> Write a bot that auto-replies ;)
 maybe we should avoid the word port there 🤔
 maybe change it to Bring Ubuntu Touch to your device!
 ooooh i like that one
 looking back i think they also didn't notice the search field, maybe that should stand out a bit more too
 muahehehehe https://gitlab.com/XiaoFuse/devices.ubuntu-touch.io/-/jobs/1053683914 now if only gitlab would stop pending :p
 as i said that lol
 @dohbee [maybe change it to Bring Ubuntu Touch to your device!], Definitrly sounds more approachable than "porting"
 It sounds so approachable that I would think it's something I can probably do, and then I would be disappointed when it turns out that there is coding involved. But you can't please everybody...
 it much more understandable too tho, if our goal is to answer these questions :p
 @dohbee [maybe change it to Bring Ubuntu Touch to your device!], [Edit] Definitely sounds more approachable than "porting"
 @klaartje_b [It sounds so approachable that I would think it's something I can probably do, a …], there may not be coding involved, depending on the device. a lot of android ROM people only know how to build android, not code in C
 submitted a merge request in the meantime: https://gitlab.com/ubports/infrastructure/devices.ubuntu-touch.io/-/merge_requests/99
 ... I don't know how to build Android or what that means. *slinks away*
 Have to note the Volla phone feels super nice in the hand even with the stock case on it. My Meizu Pro 5 with a case was a few mm's too wide for comfort. Really nice to be able to daily drive the Volla in USA, with calls, text and mobile data all working now that I've gone to a dual SIM, dual carrier, solution
 [Edit] Have to note the Volla phone feels super nice in the hand even with the stock case on it. My Meizu Pro 5 with a case was a few mm's too wide for comfort. Really nice to be able to daily drive the Volla with Ubuntu Touch in USA, with calls, text and mobile data all working now that I've gone to a dual SIM, dual carrier, solution
[18:58] <fretegi> volla phone works in USA?
 @fretegi [volla phone works in USA?], Yes - but whether you can get calls, text and mobile data depends on your carriers and your area. Here in Central TX I can get calls and text with T-mobile, but mobile data is limited to 2G. With AT&T I can get 4G/LTE and text, but no calls (because they are only using VoLTE for calls at this point
[19:05] <ubptgbot> , which UT does not support yet).  So I had to go to using dual sim to get it all.
[19:07] <fretegi> ah, gotcha.. see he VoLTE is the part that confuses me.. I am on Verizon, which as far as i know if VoLTE.   I can receive calls but no MMS or cell data.  also the moment i attempt to make a call i lose the ability to recieve.  Now this is on an android 9 based phone so hoping its just the known bugs.  maybe OTA-16 fixes
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 @fretegi [ah, gotcha.. see he VoLTE is the part that confuses me.. I am on Verizon, which …], VoLTE support will not be fixed any time soon for UT unfortunately - it is very complex and has closed proprietary code enabling it
[19:30] <fretegi> ah thats a bummer, thanks for the  heads up tho
 @fretegi [ah, gotcha.. see he VoLTE is the part that confuses me.. I am on Verizon, which …], ut is a known android 9 bug, sadly no fixes yet for ota 16
 Hey, could someone that's on a 32bit ARM device tell me what "lscpu" says their architecture is? I wanna know what the exact string is.
 Hi! Is anyone here with a OnePlus One. I have a problem with camera, no flash with camera
 I think is a firmware problem, but I can't find firmware to fix this bug
 Also, time and date are incorrect each time I reboot the phone.
 No, not having flash with the camera is a bug on Ubuntu Touch on the OnePlus One.
 @UniversalSuperBox [No, not having flash with the camera is a bug on Ubuntu Touch on the OnePlus One …], Really? I remember to use camera sometime in the past with flash working, then I try Sailfish, camera flash working fine there and now I just installed Ubuntu Touch again and notice this bug.
 @YepYepperson [Hey, could someone that's on a 32bit ARM device tell me what "lscpu" says their …], `armv7l`
 @dohbee [armv7l], Awesome, thank you!
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[20:46] <ubptgbot> <Luigi Borasi> Hello everyone! I'm happy to be a new UT user :-)
 welcome luigi
 Hello Luigi , you might also be interested by https://t.me/ubportsitaliano
[21:11] <jameshjacks0njr> ubptgbot: yeah cause of VoLTE i feel lots in the USA will have to leave Ubuntu Touch
[21:15] <fretegi> yea unfortunate thing to learn about here.  i bought pixel3a for it ha!
 same for sailfish and others i guess
[21:24] <fretegi> thats ok tho, im optimistic!
 @jameshjacks0njr [ubptgbot: yeah cause of VoLTE i feel lots in the USA will have to leave Ubuntu T …], Well, seems based on the latest info regarding their corporate plans, already activated T-mobile SIMS should be able to make phone calls via 2G/3G for the next year.  But it might be problem to get a new activation that allows non-VoL
[21:29] <ubptgbot> TE phone calls, I have an extra SIM coming from Red Pocket Mobile for the T-mobile network that I am going to test this out on.  But for UT to continue to be able to be an OS capable of being used for daily driver phone in the USA in 2022 and beyond, it's going to become a more and more pressing priority to figure out the VoLTE issue.
 @LGeek [Really? I remember to use camera sometime in the past with flash working, then I …], It's been a very long standing issue that has been very difficult to figure out just for the OnePlus One specifically.  There are fixes for camera flash and zoom for OnePlus One being worked on now though, and it seems they are almost ready, bu
[21:31] <ubptgbot> t it might be a few months before the fixes are finally released.
 @LGeek [Really? I remember to use camera sometime in the past with flash working, then I …], [Edit] It's been a very long standing device related issue that has been very difficult to figure out just for the OnePlus One specifically.  There are fixes for camera flash and zoom for OnePlus One being worked on now though, and it seems the
[21:35] <ubptgbot> y are almost ready, but it might be a few months before the fixes are finally released.
 @TotalSonic [It's been a very long standing device related issue that has been very difficult …], I hope its not months, I am testing now the upgrade from calssic to Halium build for OPO, and basically thats the last problem, how users can switch channels without softbricking...
 @TotalSonic [It's been a very long standing device related issue that has been very difficult …], [Edit] I hope its not months, I am testing now the upgrade from classic to Halium build for OPO, and basically thats the last problem, how users can switch channels without softbricking...
 @Flohack [I hope its not months, I am testing now the upgrade from classic to Halium build …], Florian - that's great to hear that it might arrive much sooner than my "soon TM" cautious outlook was thinking it might take.
 @Flohack [I hope its not months, I am testing now the upgrade from classic to Halium build …], Awesome 👏
 thx ^^