[01:02] <guiverc> kc2bez[m], reminder it's artwork contest end-day (my local time)..    still some time left for hawaii or wherever last is.. but down to hours
[01:05] <guiverc> i've got a minimal.install tab open on my browser, last stand up I think I was requested to do testing there.. I saw @Leokolb & kgiii complete some, is testing still needed of me?  ( kc2bez[m] I think)
[01:05] <kc2bez> Today is still the 24th for me. I have 4 more hours of it here in the eastern US. 
[01:05] <guiverc> yeah I know... was primarily a reminder that end-contest is getting real close..
[01:05]  * guiverc is mostly scared I'll forget... transferrence??
[01:06] <kc2bez> I planned to get it closed sometime tomorrow or early the next morning. 
[01:06] <guiverc> :)
[01:08] <kc2bez> I think we are ok on the minimal testing. I need to look at how to make the choice a little more obvious. Feel free to give it a go and see what you think though. 
[01:08] <kc2bez> A larger sample size won't hurt. 
[01:10] <guiverc> :) will do (feel free..) I'm behind on the testing I've planned... (hope 0.16 will clean up some old impossible-to-read-bugs of mine etc)
[03:11] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T180: Cleanup Ubuntu Wiki] guiverc (Chris Guiver) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T180#4352
[05:19] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T198: Lubuntu Packageset: Audit and Identify packages to add/removed] teward (Thomas Ward) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T198#4353
 is there a crit bug for cala and kpmcore on launchpad for the issue wxl referred to in T198?
[06:20] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Lubuntu CI] jobgenerator just failed after succeeding: https://ci.lubuntu.me/job/jobgenerator/886/
[07:26] <The_LoudSpeaker> wxl: i cloned my VM, added the PPA and did a apt list --upgradable. Don't see policykit in they list.
[09:43] <kc2bez[m]> The_LoudSpeaker: `apt-cache policy lxqt-policykit`
[09:46] <kc2bez[m]> @teward001 bug 1916356
[09:47]  * The_LoudSpeaker is afk rn
[12:47] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Lubuntu CI] merger_lxqt-archiver FAILURE: https://ci.lubuntu.me/job/merger_lxqt-archiver/722/
[15:52] <wxl> oh btw #lxqt:matrix.org
[16:06] <kc2bez[m]> <wxl "oh btw #lxqt:matrix.org"> I saw that and joined.
[16:16] <wxl> huh i didn't know ubuntu dailies has proposed enabled. in any case, point release process is changing. tl;dr no more rushed last minute changes. if there's one to be fixed, the release will be delayed to accomodate the fix appropriately with the same degree of testing and aging as normal https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2021-February/041400.html
[16:18] <kc2bez[m]> I was actually excited to read that. It got a little crazy on the last one and resulted in a respin after. I think this is a better approach.
[16:18] <wxl> indeed
 @kc2bez @wxl23 Did we not get fix for bug 1916356 into todays build?just tested and got the same fail as in the bug
[17:13] <kc2bez[m]> No, nothing changed there yet @Leokolb
 thats what I thought - (calming down)
[17:20] <wxl> we're getting our packageset updated so we have upload access to kpmcore and then we'll get it in
 Fine.. (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <wxl> we're getting our packageset updated so we have upload access to kpmcore and then we'll get it in)
[18:26] <kgiii> I've just noticed a changed behavior and it may be a bug. Start picom, open the default terminal, set it to 50% transparency, and the whole application turns transparent - as opposed to just the text area. See: http://pix.toile-libre.org/upload/original/1614278716.png
[18:30] <wxl> so let's review
[18:30] <wxl>  1. you deleted compton.conf or revised it so picom would work
[18:31] <kgiii> No, I just started it from the menu in the live test.
[18:31] <wxl> uhhhh
[18:31] <wxl> i don't get how that even works at all
[18:31] <kgiii> Me either.
[18:31] <wxl> that's been on my TODO list for a while
[18:31] <kgiii> It does NOT behave that way in 20.04 - I double checked.
[18:31] <kgiii> It did NOT behave that way before. Today was the first time I noticed this.
[18:32] <wxl> well picom shouldbn't be in 20.04
[18:32] <wxl> let me dig into this a bit
[18:32] <kgiii> I did notice that compton.conf changed recently in the diff.
[18:33] <wxl> oh?
[18:34] <kgiii> I don't keep the old manifests, but it was within the past week.
[18:34] <wxl> oh you mean compton-conf. i mean compton.conf. might be the same thing
[18:34] <wxl> zsyncing
[18:34] <kgiii> It was one of those. I only look through them, I don't memorize 'em. It was a compton something configuration.
[18:35] <wxl> what i mean is the compton-conf package may contain a compton.conf file but even if it does, the package could change versions without any change to the file
[18:37] <kc2bez[m]> compton-conf is the GUI application that manipulates the configuration file.
[18:37] <kgiii> Ah, well, I've played with nothing - just opened picom and here we are. 
[18:38] <kgiii> Let me reboot the live image and see if I can replicate it. Who knows.
[18:39] <kc2bez[m]> Picom is new this cycle so it is on the (short?) list of things to work on.
[18:42] <kgiii> Yup. It's repeatable. I can replicate it.
[18:43] <kgiii> I am 100% certain that it hasn't always been this way. There's a chance that I've not noticed it for a day or two - but I do this exact same test every day - though I normally just concentrate on the text area.
[18:44] <kc2bez[m]> If you could post your findings on this task https://phab.lubuntu.me/T96 that would be great.
[18:44] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Medium, Open] migrate from compton to picom: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T96
[18:44] <kgiii> To be clear, post my findings there and do not, at this time, file an official bug?
[18:45] <wxl> ok interesting
[18:45] <wxl> something about picom has changed
[18:45] <wxl> it's not loading compton.comf, or at least i don't think it is
[18:46] <wxl> `picom --config $HOME/.config/compton.conf` fails
[18:46] <wxl> so that's good
[18:47] <wxl> what's interesting is it's not installing a config file
[18:47] <kc2bez[m]> <kgiii "To be clear, post my findings th"> wxl can override me but I think just on the task is fine for now. We are still in development.
[18:48] <wxl> yeah i agree. 
[18:48] <kgiii> Consider it done. 
[18:49] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T96: migrate from compton to picom] KGIII (David G) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T96#4355
[18:50] <kgiii> I'm still new to this stuff. So, hopefully that's about what you expected for a post.
[18:51]  * kgiii finishes up testing.
[19:00] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T96: migrate from compton to picom] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T96#4356
[19:03] <kgiii> Weirdly, that is the same one I change every time. That resolves it, however. I always change the top one. That's good though. 
[19:04] <kgiii> At least I'm pretty sure I do. 
[19:10] <kgiii> I assume the LibreOffice bug (where it crashes without any real info) is upstream. Do they offer a timeline for a fix? Are they even aware of it?
[19:10] <wxl> i don't know!
[19:11] <wxl> you could !upkg libreoffice in ddg, then click on bugs and search around
[19:14] <kgiii> Will do.
[21:05] <kc2bez> Howdy yinz.
[21:05] <kc2bez> !standup
[21:06] <kgiii> Yup.
 here
[21:06] <guiverc> o/   
[21:06] <theloudspeaker_> o/
 what'?xd
[21:07] <theloudspeaker_> I go first?
[21:07] <kc2bez> sure if you are short on time go ahead.
[21:08] <theloudspeaker_> Thanks!
[21:08] <theloudspeaker_> Updated lxqt to 0.16
[21:08]  * guiverc cheers 
[21:08] <theloudspeaker_> https:// phab.lubuntu.me/T185
[21:09] <theloudspeaker_> https://phab.lubuntu.me/T185
[21:09] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Unbreak Now!, Open] deal with merges: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T185
[21:09] <kc2bez> You made that seem pretty anticlimactic XD It was a lot of work, many thanks!
[21:09] <theloudspeaker_> Found a few inconsistent and wierd things on desktop
[21:10] <theloudspeaker_> terminal tab width.
[21:10] <theloudspeaker_> wallpaper change bug
[21:10] <theloudspeaker_> splitter width
[21:10] <theloudspeaker_> rm user bug
[21:11] <theloudspeaker_> ^ these need a separate task. Will create one soon. If no one else gets to these before
[21:11] <kc2bez> You should make some tasks for further investigation if nothing else.
[21:12] <kc2bez> Thanks for all of that, it is pretty huge.
[21:12] <theloudspeaker_> Yes will do. Thanks!
[21:12]  * theloudspeaker_ is done.
[21:12] <kc2bez> Thanks.
[21:13]  * theloudspeaker_ goes back to hammering his Raspberry Pi
[21:13] <kc2bez> Also, ack kgiii @Leokolb guiverc @N0um3n0
[21:13] <kgiii> Same thing as always, though a bit more support than normal. I'm still doing daily testing and will be able to do so for the foreseeable future, with the exception of a few days next month. Other than that, all is good. I'll preemptively say thanks to everyone for their contributions and say you're welcome for mine.
[21:13] <kc2bez> Thanks kgiii !
[21:14] <kc2bez> Keep pointing out the little things
[21:14] <kc2bez> guiverc: what is new?
[21:14] <guiverc> - good amount of testing (LXQt 0.16 & comments on bug reports), plus usual support 
[21:14] <guiverc> - some t180 (wiki cleanup); contributors page added (https://phab.lubuntu.me/w/contributors/)
[21:15]  * guiverc end
[21:15] <kc2bez> I saw that ^ it looks nice, thank you!
[21:15] <guiverc> feel free to edit, or comment on contribs, esp. those longer in the project who recognize folks (Walter etc)
[21:15] <guiverc> it's mostly just copy/paste; my edits 'justified' in t180
[21:16] <kc2bez> It looked good. I might copy pasta the developers in another section even though we overlap, I think it would be good to have.
[21:17] <guiverc> I concur kc2bez  (didn't think of devs)
[21:17] <kc2bez> Thanks for all that guiverc !
[21:18] <kc2bez> @N0um3n0 How are you?
 goood!!
 for my part, support in telegram and discourse. as always.
 nothing more :P
[21:19] <kc2bez> I see you all over! It is great to watch.
[21:19] <kc2bez> Thank you!
[21:19] <wxl> finally here; phone
 i am here as well
[21:20] <kc2bez> Sorry Leo, I skipped you, go ahead.
 Tested Hirsute dailies - mostly installs but a few live sessions as well - retests of T58 minimal install + tested proposed fix for bug 1916356 (EFI install failure)
 done
[21:20] <kc2bez> Thanks for testing that. Hope to get the fix for that in soon.
 tks
[21:21] <kc2bez> wxl: do you want to go now or after me?
[21:21] <wxl> i can go
[21:21] <kc2bez> ok, sounds good
[21:21] <wxl> here's my paste https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/RYGvj2Xz8V/
[21:22] <wxl> hopefully i'll get picom fixed shortly
[21:22] <wxl> and with those packageset changes we should have access to upload kpmcore to fix our efi issues
[21:22] <kc2bez> You can cross off merges ^
[21:23] <wxl> that openbox bug is annoying (can't center windows)
[21:23] <wxl> oh right thanks
[21:23] <wxl> BIG THANKS TO @The_LoudSpeaker @RikMills @teward001 @kc2bez for help on merges!!!!!!!!
[21:24] <The_LoudSpeaker> what's lubumom.sh ?
[21:24] <wxl> my little check mom script
[21:24] <wxl> i swear this whole cycle has been a case of me spinning my wheels
[21:24] <wxl> i start working on something and then something else comes in that ends up being a rabbit hole
[21:25] <RikMills> please don't uplod kpmcore without checking with me 1st
[21:25] <wxl> today was that aforementioned openbox bug
[21:25] <RikMills> *upload
[21:25] <kc2bez> Ok
[21:25] <kc2bez> I will check with you RikMills
[21:25] <wxl> any particular reason why rik? did you see kc2bez's fix?
[21:25] <RikMills> kool
[21:25] <wxl> it's critical for us
[21:27] <RikMills> (a) it is a kde package, (b) it is polite as it is maintained in kubuntu git, (c) at this stage if adding a feature it may need approval
[21:28] <wxl> in that case i'm going to turn it over to kc2bez and let him explain further
[21:28] <The_LoudSpeaker> also, globalkeys is being a pain again?
[21:28] <The_LoudSpeaker> wxl: 
[21:29] <wxl> i'm sure you can imagine that's not very descriptive
[21:29] <kc2bez> Happy to work however you want RikMills. Upstream has a patch that fixes bug 1916356
[21:29] <The_LoudSpeaker> read your paste. it has somethign about lxqt-globalkeys.
[21:29] <RikMills> pain in the neck? pain in the ass?
[21:29] <kc2bez> Like wxl said it causes EFI installs to fail.
[21:29] <wxl> that's old
[21:29] <The_LoudSpeaker> RikMills: pain to the mind. MIGRAINE!
[21:30] <The_LoudSpeaker> wxl: ack.
[21:30] <wxl> still true, but old. 
[21:31] <wxl> i did note that on the original patch or the bug about it that there's no plan to release kpmcore until the next kde release which i believe is march
[21:31] <kc2bez> RikMills: I patched kpmcore with that commit and put it in a ppa with new calamares and it did resolve our issue but I understand your concern.
[21:31] <RikMills> kc2bez: right. that is the one I thought it was
[21:31] <wxl> the patch could easily be dropped once the new release comes out
[21:32] <RikMills> wxl: the next KDE apps release is 22nd April
[21:32] <RikMills> 1 day before hirsute!
[21:33] <wxl> i'm only repeating what i thought i read
[21:33] <wxl> still, 21.10
[21:33] <RikMills> yep, it is fine
[21:33] <RikMills> tsimonq2: will you ack that as a FFe?
[21:34] <RikMills> unless I get that pacth wring, and it is not a new feature?
[21:34] <RikMills> *patch
[21:34] <wxl> it is NOT a new feature
[21:34] <wxl> it's a workaround for something that dosfstools broke
[21:35] <wxl> null labels are no longer valid in dosfstools, so the change in kpmcore sets "NO_LABEL"
[21:36] <kc2bez> Exactly ^
[21:36] <RikMills> unfortunate wording in the KDE commit then
[21:37] <wxl> i don't know it seems correct
[21:37] <wxl> Add initial support for dosfstools 4.2.
[21:37] <wxl> Empty labels are not allowed anymore.
[21:37] <wxl> One can reset them with -r flag but that is not supported in older
[21:37] <wxl> dosfstools. So for now we just manually set label to NO_LABEL.
[21:38] <kc2bez> I think I understand. It is the "Add initial support for dosfstools 4.2" part.
[21:39] <wxl> oh right because that's the short commit message. yep.
[21:39] <RikMills> ok. I am fine with that then
[21:41] <RikMills> release team will not be spot checking all uploads yet until beta, but I want to know the score if they do query ;)
[21:41] <kc2bez> Ok, thanks RikMills what do you need from me?
[21:41] <wxl> i mean rik if you want to upload it yourself, feel free
[21:42] <kc2bez> I am totally fine with that.
[21:42] <RikMills> kc2bez: I am fine for you to. I will just sync the archive upload to my git after. we have scipts to do that
[21:43] <kc2bez> Ok, it isn't in our packageset yet but we are working on that.
[21:44] <RikMills> I assume there is no super urgency, so yeah. do it when you have
[21:44] <wxl> well it is a critical bug but not THAT critical given that we're still in development of this release :)
[21:45] <RikMills> indeed (insert Teal'c gif)
[21:45] <kc2bez> Right, if we get too far along we may reach back out to you.
[21:46] <kc2bez> Thanks Rik!
[21:46] <RikMills> or at @teward in the unlikely case I am not around
[21:46] <kc2bez> I think I am up next.
[21:47] <kc2bez> Sure thing RikMills
[21:47] <wxl> right and he's helping with getting our packageset changes done so all related
[21:48] <wxl> fire away kc2bez 
[21:48] <RikMills> yeah, if he is slow in sorting it, he owes you ;)
[21:48] <kc2bez> XD
[21:48] <kc2bez> * Uploads:
[21:48] <kc2bez>     * Merged screengrab 2.1.0-1 from Debian and uploaded
[21:48] <kc2bez>     * Merged qps 2.2.0-1 from Debian and uploaded
[21:48] <kc2bez> * Reviewed:
[21:48] <kc2bez>     * Reviewed https://phab.lubuntu.me/D108
[21:48] <kc2bez> * Tasks:
[21:48] <kc2bez>     * Created https://phab.lubuntu.me/T197 which spawned T198 and T199
[21:48] <kc2bez>     * Updated https://phab.lubuntu.me/T185
[21:48] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Closed] New upstream version.: https://phab.lubuntu.me/D108
[21:48] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Unbreak Now!, Open] Packages not in our packageset (that probably should be): https://phab.lubuntu.me/T197
[21:48] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Unbreak Now!, Open] deal with merges: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T185
[21:49] <kc2bez> * Sync from Archive to phab:
[21:49] <kc2bez>     * https://phab.lubuntu.me/source/lxqt-archiver/
[21:49] <kc2bez>     * https://phab.lubuntu.me/source/qlipper/
[21:49] <kc2bez>     * https://phab.lubuntu.me/source/libqtxdg/
[21:49] <kc2bez>     * https://phab.lubuntu.me/source/calamares/
[21:49] <kc2bez>     * https://phab.lubuntu.me/source/nm-tray/
[21:49] <kc2bez> * Bugs:
[21:49] <kc2bez>     * Patched kpmcore and put it in a ppa with calamares  bug 1916356
[21:49] <kc2bez> * Notes:
[21:49] <kc2bez>     * Members make sure to vote in the LC election.
[21:49] <kc2bez>     * Artwork contest ends tomorrow.
[21:49] <kc2bez>     * Watch for the weekly Discourse development posts.
[21:50] <kc2bez> That is it from me.
[21:50] <wxl> when does the elction end again?
[21:50] <kc2bez> Friday
[21:50] <wxl> ah goodie. i keep getting bugged about expiring soon
[21:50] <kc2bez> Same here
[21:51] <kc2bez> Candidates chosen: 20210226
[21:52] <kc2bez> Which is tomorrow for me
[21:52] <kc2bez> I will close it on my EOD
[21:52] <kc2bez> So Eastern US time.
[21:52] <wxl> okie dokie
[21:53] <wxl> looking forward to whomever is the new council; you'll have work to do XD
[21:53] <guiverc> thank you kc2bez The_LoudSpeaker kgiii @N0um3n0 @Leokolb wxl 
[21:53]  * guiverc 26th already here
[21:54] <kc2bez> guiverc: is in the future XD
 Thanks all
[21:54] <kc2bez> Thanks everyone!
[21:54] <wxl> thanks everyone! you're all amazing and your contributions are most appreciated!
[21:56] <RikMills> maybe I should apply for lubuntu-members
[21:56] <wxl> cuz you need it rik :)
[21:56] <The_LoudSpeaker> guiverc is 3.5 hrs late. 
 thanks to all!!! (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <guiverc> thank you kc2bez The_LoudSpeaker kgiii @N0um3n0 @Leokolb wxl)
 great team
[21:57] <kgiii> You're all most welcome.
[21:57] <RikMills> wxl: nope, but that is no reason not to
[21:57] <wxl> oh before you all go i should point out something i noticed the other day
[21:58] <wxl> our top three iso testers across the entire ubuntu landscape are all lubuntu testers :)
[21:58] <The_LoudSpeaker> ❤️❤️
[21:58] <The_LoudSpeaker> Gg
[21:58] <wxl> by leaps and bounds, too https://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/reports/testers
[22:01] <RikMills> I think somehow LP karma should be given for that
[22:02] <RikMills> not that that is a good measure of contributions in all cases
[23:33] <guiverc> @Leokolb & kgiii do you consider newer features (https://lxqt-project.org/release/2020/11/05/lxqt-0-16-0/) in your live testing?
[23:39] <kgiii> I check the diff and concentrate my efforts there.
[23:59] <guiverc> :)  thanks kgiii .  I read the release notes, but tend to concentrate on stuff I think I'll use, or can imagine people using (my imagination isn't great).. so I'm far from extensive..