[00:01] <kgiii> I still start at the top and work my way down. I make sure everything at least opens and closes. I'll then do further tests of some software and concentrate on anything that has been changed in the diff inasmuch as an end user does access those things.
[00:03] <guiverc> thanks kgiii
[00:04] <kgiii> No problem. I learn a lot as I go.
 Yes I take note of newer features and make attempts to test them. (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <guiverc> @Leokolb & kgiii do you consider newer features (https://lxqt-project.org/release/2020/11/05/lxqt-0-16-0/) in your live testing?)
[05:23] <guiverc> thanks & :) @Leokolb
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[18:07] <wxl> @kc2bez[m]: are you on the ubuntu-flavors list?
[18:08] <kc2bez[m]> I am.
[18:18] <kc2bez[m]> Thanks for sending that reply wxl
[18:18] <wxl> np
[18:18] <wxl> wanted to make sure you saw it in case you wanted to add anything
[18:18] <kc2bez[m]> I think it is pretty spot on.
 wxl: "I would say if there's anything we could use help with, it's contributors."   ... and larger infra :P
 'cause DO is near stretching points
[18:42] <wxl> @teward001: what are the heavy hitters? are they going to continue to grow?
 well this year CI is on my infra, which you're being charged for.  and i think THAT is going to keep growing the more you guys use it
[18:44] <kc2bez[m]> One thing we don't have is weblate or something for translations too.
 yeah that, though that's a lot harder to configure
 i can try and deploy a weblate container, but the DO infra keeps barfing trying to launch it
 meaning that THAT is "too large" for the DO infra too
[18:45] <kc2bez[m]> Right
[18:45] <kc2bez[m]> so we need something to run it on
[18:46] <wxl> perhaps reduce the number of build artifacts we keep on CI would help?
 well that'd reduce disk space, but we're still far beyond the DO node's max capacity
 keeping NO artifacts would solve that problem but that's not going to help you guys
 disk space is not a problem on my infra
 it's just the compute power that's the headache
 so i'm not sure there's a fully-fledged solution
[18:56] <wxl> having someone else deal with the infra
[18:57] <wxl> i wish canonical would support other options beyond just launchpad. jeez almost any other platform would be a benefit over it
[18:57] <tsimonq2> Altispeed has done the hosting thus far and we're spinning up a datacenter node soon
 i remember that being mentioned but then it sat dead for 2 years simon :P
 i.e. no movement.
[19:00] <tsimonq2> So let's bring it back into play
[19:00] <wxl> let us (you) then :) unless there's someone else at altispeed we should contact?
[19:05] <tsimonq2> Email help@altispeed.com with your query, I think it is appropriate for me to abstain from the LC vote due to conflict of interest
[19:16] <wxl> tsimonq2: so saying something like "You're currently hosting Lubuntu infrastructure, as set up by Simon Quigley, but we're running at the limits of our capacity and could use more." ???
[19:16] <wxl> and to be fair i'm not sure there's much of an LC vote to have since we already ARE on their infra
[19:17] <wxl> if anything there's the potential to move CI from thomas' infra, which may be worth a vote
[19:19] <wxl> crazy idea: swap openbox for fluxbox. it's been updated in the last 10 months http://git.fluxbox.org/fluxbox.git/ as opposed to the last 2-5 years depending on how you look at it http://git.openbox.org/?p=mikachu/openbox.git;a=summary
[19:19] <kc2bez[m]> I wouldn't call it crazy.
[19:20] <kc2bez[m]> We do need to look at something that will be Wayland compatible too.
[19:21] <wxl> maybe we should just swap for kwin
[19:21] <kc2bez[m]> Also not entirely crazy.
[19:21] <wxl> THAT i think is a really good long-term solution
[19:22] <kc2bez[m]> We should do more testing for 21.10
[19:22] <kc2bez[m]> So that we can be ready for 22.04
 Kwin I think it goes up about 80 megas more
[19:24] <wxl> alternately there's waybox (last commit 4/20), labwc (last commit 4 minutes ago!)
[19:25] <kc2bez[m]> kwin for the most part just works (TM) but it does bring a slightly larger footprint
[19:25] <wxl> there's also sway but i'm not sure the world is ready for a tiling lubuntu
[19:25] <kc2bez[m]> I agree
[19:25] <wxl> as far as i can remember that footprint isn't much larger
[19:25] <wxl> there WILL come a point where we are forced to change
[19:26] <kc2bez[m]> Yeah, absolutely. We should have some options ready when we do.
[19:26] <wxl> you know i3 and awesome are both really good at offering both tiling and floating (read: stacking) window options
[19:26] <wxl> i bet we could configure it in such a way to be float only
[19:27] <wxl> sway IS pretty nice
[19:28] <wxl> emphasis on pretty
[19:28] <kc2bez[m]> I've seen Taiwins mentioned a few places too. https://taiwins.org
[19:28] <wxl> i mean i use awesome but i'd drop it like a bad habit in favor of sway if it was that easy
[19:29] <wxl> ooooh lua (that's what awesome uses)
[19:29] <wxl> ah i see: tiling and floating
[19:30] <kc2bez[m]> Sort of checks all the boxes. "drag your windows freely"
[19:30] <wxl> well i mean i can do that with awesome too
[19:31] <wxl> i just have to flip it to floating
[19:31] <wxl> or configure it to create floating windows by default
[19:31] <wxl> (which is what i was saying we could do with sway)
[19:32] <kc2bez[m]> sway has probably had more time being developed
[19:33] <wxl> yeah well let's just keep that in the back of our heads now i guess. maybe if ubuntu does come out with a wayland session, we can play around with that
[19:35] <kc2bez[m]> Agreed. I do think it needs to be a next cycle sort of thing or we need to kick it until after the LTS.
[19:42] <wxl> it's not something i want to LTS until we can get through at least one non-LTS cycle unscathed
[19:43] <wxl> and that non-LTS cycle would ideally have a separate session available early on in the cycle for heavy testing
 and there are some config options which do nothing in lxqt (users complaining) (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <kc2bez[m]> kwin for the most part just works (TM) but it does bring a slightly larger footprint)
 actually in cold boot kwin doesn't consume much more, but when you open more windows the incremental is bigger
 but maybe that's a "if there is ram available, I will use it" issue.
[23:10] <guiverc> thought (support generated).  maybe release notes should mention possible non-qwerty encryption issues; ie. https://github.com/calamares/calamares/issues/1203
[23:11]  * guiverc knows the thought should be recorded/documented somwhere, haven't decided where is appropriate  (IRC is perfect to get missed)
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[23:27] <tsimonq2> Those should be all your merger jobs. Running them all to get some cleaner results for their child jobs.
[23:28] <tsimonq2> Well, all our merger jobs. Heh.
[23:29] <tsimonq2> Expect it to be noisy until it calms down a bit.
[23:30] <tsimonq2> Flushed all the jobs to workers, created some ephemeral ones to deal with the load.
[23:30] <tsimonq2> (They'll auto-dissolve when this churn is done.)
[23:32] <tsimonq2> @teward001: If you don't deal with the security updates soon I'll be forced to, and I don't think you want that. :P
[23:32] <tsimonq2> Please do soon. These are some pretty open vulns that are just wide-open.
[23:33]  * tsimonq2 tut tuts @teward001.
[23:47] <kc2bez[m]> Thanks for doing that tsimonq2 
[23:49] <kc2bez[m]> guiverc: Which notes in particular or all of them. 
[23:50] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Lubuntu CI] hirsute_stable_qps just became unstable: https://ci.lubuntu.me/job/hirsute_stable_qps/114/
[23:50] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Lubuntu CI] focal_stable_qps just became unstable: https://ci.lubuntu.me/job/focal_stable_qps/637/
[23:50] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Lubuntu CI] hirsute_stable_qps just became unstable: https://ci.lubuntu.me/job/hirsute_stable_qps/114/
[23:50] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Lubuntu CI] focal_stable_qps just became unstable: https://ci.lubuntu.me/job/focal_stable_qps/637/
[23:50] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Lubuntu CI] groovy_stable_qps just became unstable: https://ci.lubuntu.me/job/groovy_stable_qps/404/
[23:50] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Lubuntu CI] groovy_stable_qps just became unstable: https://ci.lubuntu.me/job/groovy_stable_qps/404/
[23:50] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Lubuntu CI] hirsute_stable_lxqt-session UNSTABLE: https://ci.lubuntu.me/job/hirsute_stable_lxqt-session/112/
[23:51] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Lubuntu CI] focal_stable_lxqt-archiver just failed after being unstable: https://ci.lubuntu.me/job/focal_stable_lxqt-archiver/373/
[23:51] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Lubuntu CI] focal_stable_lxqt-archiver just failed after being unstable: https://ci.lubuntu.me/job/focal_stable_lxqt-archiver/373/
[23:51] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Lubuntu CI] groovy_stable_lxqt-archiver FAILURE: https://ci.lubuntu.me/job/groovy_stable_lxqt-archiver/598/
[23:51] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Lubuntu CI] groovy_stable_lxqt-archiver FAILURE: https://ci.lubuntu.me/job/groovy_stable_lxqt-archiver/598/
[23:51] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Lubuntu CI] hirsute_stable_libfm-qt FAILURE: https://ci.lubuntu.me/job/hirsute_stable_libfm-qt/204/
[23:51] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Lubuntu CI] focal_stable_libfm-qt just failed after succeeding: https://ci.lubuntu.me/job/focal_stable_libfm-qt/599/
[23:51] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Lubuntu CI] focal_stable_libfm-qt just failed after succeeding: https://ci.lubuntu.me/job/focal_stable_libfm-qt/599/
[23:51] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Lubuntu CI] groovy_stable_libfm-qt FAILURE: https://ci.lubuntu.me/job/groovy_stable_libfm-qt/545/
 simon: you mean on CI?
 i do those in phases, that's scheduled for this evening
 if you mena for lugito well that's your baby so :P
[23:56] <tsimonq2> The former, yeah.
[23:56] <tsimonq2> I can handle lugito.
 yeah CI's on my list for this evening
 what i'm going to do is halt all tasks and let the current ones clean out
[23:56] <tsimonq2> Nice save. Thanks. ;)
 then poke it
[23:57] <tsimonq2> Sweet.
[23:57] <tsimonq2> I'm on call for Altispeed tonight, so if it hits the fan and you need an extra set of hands just yell.
 Jenkins set to "Prepare for Shutdown" state
 current builds will finish