[00:00] <sarnold> newb101: so, if you have a directory structure like foo/bar/baz/hello.txt  and foo/bar/BAZ/goodbye.txt  -- just how many tarballs do you want? with what names? with what contents?
[00:01] <newb101> I mean if I have a folder containing folders, each folder to be it's own but not the individual files
[00:01] <EriC^^> you could do find -maxdepth 1 -type d | while IFS='' read -r dir; do tar cvf "${dir}".tar.gz "${dir}" -I "gzip --best"; done \;
[00:03] <newb101> cool
[00:03] <newb101> with the compression ratio will it make a big difference if the files a re jpegs?
[00:04] <newb101> *are
[00:04] <newb101> wrt. compression
[00:04] <sarnold> you might as well use gzip -1 or something, they probably won't compress much unless they're copies of each other
[00:10] <newb101> ok
[00:11] <newb101> is there a size limit for zipped tars?
[00:11] <newb101> on file size
[00:11] <kk4ewt> 2X available space
[00:12] <kk4ewt> sorry 1/2 size of available space
[00:13] <newb101> ?
[00:13] <EriC^^> newb101: i dont think so, but your fs might not support it, eg fat32 has a 4gb limit per file iirc
[00:14] <newb101> ok, ext4
[00:14] <newb101> ?
[00:17] <sarnold> newb101: this suggests the filesize is unlimited http://www.gnu.org/software/tar/manual/tar.html#SEC133
[00:19] <newb101> thanks both
[00:29] <newb101> the compression isnt doing antything to the jpegs
[00:29] <newb101> pretty much the same size
[00:29] <kk4ewt> what compression are you using
[00:29] <newb101> gzip
[00:30] <hggdh> aren't jpegs already compressed?
[00:30] <kk4ewt> jpgs are pretty much compressed anyways
[00:30] <newb101> ye
[01:20] <Johnnyyboy> my sounds do not work on ubuntu 21.04  with linux kernel 5.10  however I found this arch linux solution for that kernel "sudo pacman -S pulseaudio sof-firmware"  what would be the relevant ubuntu command?
[01:20] <Johnnyyboy> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Dell_XPS_17_(9700)
[01:24] <cjoke_> Johnnyyboy: sof-firmware I dont know, but you can install pulseaudio with sudo apt install pulseaudio
[01:24] <cjoke_> Johnnyyboy: what kinda audiodevice you got ?
[01:31] <Johnnyyboy> Johnnyyboy its in my dell xps 9700
[01:37] <Maik> Johnnyyboy: questions and other things related to development releases belong in #ubuntu+1
[02:35] <johnnyboy> damn cant get it to work... i guess ill be stuck using 5.6 kernel
[02:35] <johnnyboy> since sounds dont work in newer versions
[02:41] <Amaranth> btw that package is firmware-sof-signed, apparently
[02:45] <johnnyboy> Amaranth i get error https://pastebin.com/v0uQAgnR
[04:34] <omar_trisquel> When I installed, I'm pretty sure I just used the default disk partitioning options, e.g. use the whole disk, no fancy partitioning schemes, etc. But I'm looking at the Disks utility now; looks like I have a 537 MB bootable FAT partition and a 53 GB filesystem partition mounted at filesystem root--makes sense so far.
[04:34] <omar_trisquel> But. There is also this weird 53 GB "Extended Partition" that doesn't seem to be mounted at all
[04:35] <omar_trisquel> I am 99% sure I can delete this one without worrying about anything. But just wanted to check in here in case I'm missing something... I found it odd that it was the same size as my filesystem partition. Do you think the Ubuntu installer added it?
[04:36] <sujan> hi
[04:37] <Bashing-om> omar_trisquel: Legacy partitioning ? show the channel in a pastebin ' sudo fdisk -lu ' . see what there is to work from.
[04:39] <omar_trisquel> Bashing-om: link https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/fBBdBM9ZNS/
[04:40] <omar_trisquel> Hm, weird, the mystery partition starts and ends at almost the exact same spots as my Linux filesystem partition
[04:40] <omar_trisquel> (BTW the drive's old size was 50 GB. I just expanded it to 200 GB -- it's a VM)
[04:41] <omar_trisquel> I was not aware that partition mappings could overlap like that. There's a lot I don't know tho :-P
[04:42] <va7lnx> hello
[04:43] <Bashing-om> omar_trisquel: Well no can not remove that extended partiton as it contains the logical partion (sda5). That said though - this partitioning scheme makes no sense use wise.
[04:43] <va7lnx> I have a problem with VMX being enabled in my bios, but showing as disabled in lscpu
[04:43] <sujan> do you know about dbus?
[04:43] <va7lnx> I"ve tried adding "mitigations=off", but no change
[04:44] <omar_trisquel> Bashing-om: yes I agree, I'm not sure how it happened
[04:44] <va7lnx> I wouldn't bother, but I need VMX so that I can run the emulator in android studio
[04:45] <omar_trisquel> Bashing-om: my goal is to have the bootable FAT partition and the filesystem partition take up the whole disk; in other words, how do I "move" sda5 out of sda2? Possible?
[04:46] <omar_trisquel> I want one bootable partition and one filesystem partition that takes up the rest of the disk
[04:46] <Bashing-om> omar_trisquel: A fesh install ? Nothing to loose but time - were me then I would re-install. If EFI system I would consider installing in UEFI mode.
[04:46] <Bashing-om> !uefi | omar_trisquel
[04:48] <sujan> VMX should easily be able to be enabled in BIOS settings and System Settings.
[04:48] <omar_trisquel> Bashing-om: understood. Thanks!
[04:48] <va7lnx> sujan: it is
[04:49] <va7lnx> that's why I'm thinking that mitigations are disabling it
[04:49] <va7lnx> well, I feel like a moron
[04:49] <Bashing-om> omar_trisquel: While what you have now will work - will be a horror later when you run short on operating space.
[04:50] <sujan> there are lots of bugs and some workarounds work
[04:50] <va7lnx> I don't need VMX
[04:50] <va7lnx> I just needed to install the libvirt stuff :\
[04:50] <va7lnx> sorry guys.
[04:50] <va7lnx> but thanks.
[04:50] <va7lnx> esp. sujan
[04:50] <omar_trisquel> Bashing-om: Yea, I didn't even realize this until I expanded the virtual drive size to 200 GB tonight and went to expand my filesystem partition... then noticed it was inside the extended partition and was like wtf lol
[04:51] <Bashing-om> omar_trisquel: "one filesystem partition that takes up the rest of the disk" ... the install option "wipe disk and install ubuntu" will do that for you.
[04:52] <sujan> running dbus from the systemd --user instance
[04:52] <omar_trisquel> Bashing-om: Yea that's what I did for this install!! I guess it just defaulted for the legacy MBR style; maybe that's the root of my trouble, as you suggested
[05:15] <sujan> hi
[05:15] <kirk781> sujan, hello
[05:15] <sujan> do you know about  running dbus from the systemd --user instance
[05:24] <Johnnyyboy> sounds work in 5.6 after installing arch linux, but wifi is scuffed. Its better in 5.8. I really wanna like ubuntu but I dont get how everything works so easy in windows out of the box. Does intel not care about ubuntu or what is the problem ?
[05:24] <Johnnyyboy> *arch linux sof
[05:25] <Johnnyyboy> dell xps isnt even an unknown brand
[05:25] <Johnnyyboy> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=960788
[05:45] <pi0> i am trying to compile this https://github.com/eteran/edb-debugger
[05:46] <pi0> one of the dependencies is Qt >= 5.9
[05:46] <pi0> is there simple way to install that on ubuntu
[06:25] <sujan> hi
[07:30] <mlok> Hello, ntpd exits when there is a too high offset, could the solution be to set "tinker panic 0" ?
[07:51] <Deano59> we're being told not to use 5.8 via 20.04.2 because of bugs, well... not yet anyway. 20.04.2 ships with 5.8.... how do we use another kernel for the install????
[07:52] <Deano59> I have a new PC being delivered today and I'm going to install Ubuntu. I'd like to stay with the LTS but don't really want issues with 5.8....
[07:52] <Deano59> am I missing something? ?:D
[08:13] <ThinkT510> Deano59: the first step is to try 5.8 to see if you have any issues
[08:14] <Deano59> ThinkT510: I had issues with my network, so yes.
[08:14] <ThinkT510> Deano59: what wifi chipset?
[08:14] <Deano59> no idea.
[08:14] <Deano59> I'm not using wifi...
[08:15] <Deano59> lol
[08:15] <ThinkT510> so you had ethernet issues?
[08:15] <Deano59> yes...
[08:16] <ThinkT510> if you are certain it is the fault of the kernel then you can try testing with a different one
[08:16] <ThinkT510> !mainline | Deano59
[08:17] <Deano59> don't want to use mainline.
[08:17] <ThinkT510> if you get the same issue on multiple versions of the kernel then either the driver hasn't been changed between versions or it isn't a driver issue
[08:18] <Deano59> ... not what I asked. see above.
[08:19] <ThinkT510> I'm not saying to stick with mainline, I'm saying you can test with mainline to see if that is your issue
[08:19] <ThinkT510> process of elimination
[08:19] <Deano59> and AGAIN; not what I asked. lol
[08:19] <ThinkT510> on the other hand it could be a configuration issue with your network settings
[08:20] <Deano59> lmao
[08:20] <Deano59> nah, it's not.
[08:21] <Deano59> 20.10 is fine.
[08:21] <Deano59> 20.04.2 is NOT.
[08:21] <oerheks> Deano59, you want not the 5.8 but the original 5.4?
[08:21] <Deano59> oerheks: yeah
[08:21] <oerheks> install without updates.
[08:22] <Deano59> install without updates?
[08:22] <oerheks> basicly from 20.04.x one gets the HWE kernel, backported
[08:22] <oerheks> 'download security updates during install' and 'multimedia stuff'
[08:23] <Deano59> not sure how that helps but k.
[08:24] <oerheks> not sure what driver bugs you..
[09:17] <donspace> hello
[09:17] <oerheks> :-)
[09:18] <donspace> there are indeed ppl here
[09:18] <donspace> nice to meet you guys
[09:20] <oerheks> hi donspace do you have an ubuntu support question?
[09:20] <donspace> not really
[09:20] <oerheks> oh oke
[10:05] <chovy> do-release-upgrade doesn't do anything
[10:05] <chovy> Please install all available updates for your release before upgrading.
[10:07] <lotuspsychje> !uptodate | chovy
[10:08] <lotuspsychje> always keep your system up to date, before doing anything else
[10:08] <chovy> ubottu: nothing to install
[10:09] <chovy> !upgrades
[10:10] <chovy> i think there's one package that needs upgrading or to be removed, but its not telling me which one
[10:11] <lotuspsychje> chovy: can you pastebin what apt spits out please, so volunteers can take a look?
[10:25] <chovy> lotuspsychje: got it working
[10:25] <chovy> --list-upgradable told me what it was
[10:29] <FocalFossa0997> hello
[10:30] <FocalFossa0997> wait I am not on ubuntu why tf am I here
[10:43] <kirk781> lol
[11:04] <gjasny> Hi, in the hirsute docker image I got hit by the apt-key error "gpgv, gpgv2 or gpgv1 required for verification" even if I installed gnupg. Is this a known bug? The effects are quite interesting. In the shell started by docker the following command returns "yes", in a subshell it return no: "if [ -x /usr/bin/true ]; then echo yes; else echo no; fi"
[11:09] <oerheks> gjasny, join #ubuntu+1 for hirsute, until release
[11:09] <oerheks> !hirsute
[11:16] <gjasny> In the Ubuntu Hirsute docker image is a strange bug happening:
[11:16] <gjasny> $ docker run -ti ubuntu:hirsute bash
[11:17] <gjasny> root@008ec583a743:/# apt update
[11:17] <gjasny> root@008ec583a743:/# sh -c 'if [ -x /usr/bin/true ]; then echo yes; else echo no; fi'
[11:17] <gjasny> yes
[11:17] <gjasny> root@008ec583a743:/# apt install -y nano # or any other package
[11:18] <oerheks> don't ask here, i told you where to get support, thanks
[11:18] <gjasny> Sorry, wrong channe;
[11:19] <oerheks> oke, use a pastbin there.
[11:19] <oerheks> !paste
[11:23] <soulphoenix> 1
[11:42] <DarkTrick> **Q**: @input control: Why would I choose evdev (xserver-xorg-input-evdev) over libinput (xserver-xorg-input-libinput)
[11:45] <lotuspsychje> elaborate a bit what you are trying to do DarkTrick volunteers can think along better
[11:50] <oerheks> libevdev is unmaintained, it was replaced by libinput?
[11:52] <DarkTrick> lotuspsychje, that was the right answer for me, thank you.
[11:53] <DarkTrick> oerheks, sounds similar to what I've found. Thank you!
[11:53] <oerheks> have fun!
[11:54] <soulphoenix_> Need help installing all the dependencies for building vlc on 18.04
[11:56] <oerheks> soulphoenix_, good luck, the wiki is old https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompileVLC
[11:57] <oerheks> or theirs; https://wiki.videolan.org/UnixCompile/
[11:58] <lotuspsychje> or...use vlc from the repos instead of compiling soulphoenix_
[11:58] <oerheks> many versions; https://snapcraft.io/vlc already build
[12:03] <soulphoenix_> oerheks, i was thinking of contributing, so i thought i should try building it once
[12:05] <soulphoenix_> yeah the wikis are old and there are so many deps so i wanted to ask if their is an alternative way, the commands on the wikis seem jurrasic
[12:05] <lotuspsychje> !contribute | soulphoenix_ start here
[12:05] <lotuspsychje> depending on your skills, there are many routes to help with soulphoenix_
[12:08] <soulphoenix_> lotuspsychje, i want to contribute as a developer
[12:09] <lotuspsychje> thats possible soulphoenix_ see #ubuntu-devel also
[12:11] <oerheks> start with registering on launchpad, sign CoC
[12:18] <viaSanctus> oerheks
[12:18] <viaSanctus> oer heks ?
[12:24] <oerheks> yes?
[12:31] <bonhoeffer> my control super left/right keys aren't doing window management using ubuntu on my rasp pi -- any troubleshooting options?
[12:47] <imrjd> how mnay are on LTS built? release
[12:48] <oerheks> 16.04, 18.04 or 20.04 LTS ?
[12:48] <imrjd> 20.04 LTS release
[12:49] <oerheks> ANd what is your question exactly?
[12:49] <oerheks> polling who is on 20.04 is beyond the scope of this support chanel, 113 answers?
[12:49] <oerheks> 1113..
[12:50] <imrjd> aah yes sorry forget that, which is the chit chat channel
[12:50] <oerheks> !offtopic
[12:50] <oerheks> or #ubuntu-discuss
[12:57] <imrjd> thank oerheks
[13:08] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[13:08] <imrjd> hey BluesKaj
[13:09] <BluesKaj> hi imrjd
[13:10] <imrjd> you use Kubuntu BluesKaj
[13:10] <oerheks> sudo snap install re-volt --edge
[13:11] <BluesKaj> imrjd, yes
[13:13] <imrjd> how are you doing BluesKaj , i have changed my nick so you won't know who i am
[13:15] <BluesKaj> ok
[13:33] <imrjd> does ubuntu ship with a password manager like lastpass type?
[13:39] <Maik> imrjd: not by default
[13:40] <imrjd> i need a offsite backup of my password on my pc in case i cannot log into lastpass for some reason
[13:41] <Maik> i don't use it so i don't know
[13:41] <imrjd> oke
[13:41] <Maik> there's also keepass
[13:41] <imrjd> i will look into it
[14:39] <iekfkk> hi
[14:39] <iekfkk> can nano be programmable like vim? i want to press f5 and make it save file and also run a cmd for that particular file?
[14:41] <nyxyn> iekfkk, I think they have a way to record macros
[14:42] <Maik> https://www.nano-editor.org/docs.php
[14:43] <Maik> maybe there's some info to be found in their docs
[15:05] <iekfkk> wiwthout macros
[15:05] <iekfkk> as filename is variable
[15:10] <Koopz> i did a dum dum again
[15:11] <Koopz> installed a VM, restored an /etc/fstab and /etc/mtab from a backup of another machine
[15:11] <Koopz> too afraid to reboot
[15:12] <Koopz> can i copy-paste the output from /proc/mounts into /etc/mtab?
[15:12] <iekfkk> Maik: i want to press c-enter to savefile and run ./python %file%
[15:14] <Maik> iekfkk: i'm not an expert so i can't help, second it's not a ubuntu specific support question imho
[15:15] <Koopz> would it be weird if the original machine's /etc/mtab isn't a softlink to /proc/mounts?
[15:25] <iekfkk> i want to send an email can i use web to send nano  , is it polite ? https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-nano/2020-05/msg00004.html
[15:25] <iekfkk> mailing list emails
[15:30] <iekfkk> does linux provides key macros
[15:31] <iekfkk> so i can just press f5 in the editor and some sets of keys are run by linux instead of nano
[15:38] <oerheks> iekfkk, sure, what did you find sofar?
[15:45] <jayjo> is there a way to figure out what package forced another package to be installed?
[15:46] <jayjo> Through apt-cache, dpkg -s, or some tool like that? I have a package conflict, I'm trying to investigate what package pulled in another package without me being explicit about it
[15:46] <jayjo> It shows [installed,automatic] with apt list
[15:47] <oerheks> easy to find; https://itsfoss.com/check-dependencies-package-ubuntu/
[16:01] <jayjo> oerheks: thanks for the article. Do you mean to use apt-rdepends? The other methods seem to show the dependencies of the package in the repo, I'm hoping to find what package on my system installed this package automatically (it's not marked as manually installed)
[16:04] <nunya> Is Synaptic just a front end for apt? With the same repos I had previosly added?
[16:05] <leftyfb> nunya: yes
[16:07] <nunya> I used gnome-software before but often had to reinstall gnome-software to get it to show installed programs. Same with snap-store. If I am correct they are basically all guis for apt. Synaptic seems to be able to refresh it's cahe better somehow though.
[16:10] <jelly> I can't parse this changelog entry.
[16:10] <oerheks> " Do you mean to use apt-rdepends? "  no, read the article again?
[16:11] <oerheks> apt show <whatever>
[16:11] <jelly> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/cPXcKqfcHb/
Thanks for the confirmation. I mostly use sudo apt-get install (when I know what I need) from terminal but sometimes I need to search descriptions to find package I need to serve specific purpose.I guess being Gnome under the hood Ubuntu's default package manager is gnome-software. It's super buggy though.
[16:11] <jelly> * SECURITY REGRESSION: previous update caused a regression that causes it /    pending further investigation this update reverts it
[16:12] <jelly> update caused a regression that causes it?
[16:12] <leftyfb> nunya: "apt-cache search <your search terms here"
[16:13] <leftyfb> jelly: there was an update that went out yesterday that was broken. So they reverted it
Let's say I wanted html editor. That would search the descriptions of all packages in repositories for html editor?
[16:13] <jelly> yeah ok, but the sentence is weird, bad editing?
[16:14] <leftyfb> jelly: developers :)
[16:14] <jelly> developers!
Wait I think you were talking about things I already have installed. Right?
[16:15] <leftyfb> nunya: nope. Personally I would do: apt-cache search editor|egrep -i "html|web"
[16:16] <jelly> possibly working in Canonical's Department of redundancy department.
[16:16] <leftyfb> nunya: though, in this particular case, I would just use vim :)
 egrep or grep?
[16:17] <leftyfb> nunya: egrep
cool learned a new command!
[16:17] <jelly> nunya, did you know that "<nickname> something" on irc looks like you're quoting "nickname" saying "something"
[16:18]  * jelly is SO confused
[16:21] <nunya> leftyb: is "user:" proper way to direct question to a specific user? I have that in quotes so hexchat doesn't try to message a user named user.
[16:22] <JeffFromOH> Has anyone else seen a problem (I think it's a bug?) where, if you go into gnome settings in Ubuntu 20.04 for the network adapter, and you disable IPv6 for the wired network adapter. . . IPv6 still works?
[16:23] <nunya> leftyb: jelly: Oops was supposed to be directed to jelly
[16:23] <JeffFromOH> I wonder if anyone here might be willing to give this a try and see if they see the same behavior?
[16:24] <nunya> jelly: thanks
[16:24] <JeffFromOH> After applying the change, I even toggled off the "Wired Network" adapter, then waited a few seconds, then turned it back on. IPv6 still worked.
[16:25] <nunya> sorry to everyone who thought i was quoting them or someone else. I will try to remember :
[16:25] <oerheks> JeffFromOH, did you reboot after change?
[16:26] <JeffFromOH> No, that might work to get it to actually disable, but, before I did, I wanted to see if there was anything I could do to investigate why this is happening in the first place, since I shouldn't *need* to reboot.
[16:26] <oerheks> AFAIK, there are 2 ways to disable, grub boot line, and sysctl https://www.digitalocean.com/community/questions/how-do-i-disable-ipv6-on-ubuntu-20-04
[16:26] <JeffFromOH> Thanks oerheks - I'll review that link
[16:27] <JeffFromOH> Sounds like this is a well known bug then
[16:27] <oerheks> with sysctl the command sysctl -p # would make it work without reboot
[16:28] <nunya> JeffFromOH: So many things need at least a logout to apply any changes in settings. It would be nice if a message like this would pop up every time to tell you unless you tick a box that says stop telling me this.
[16:29] <JeffFromOH> The sysctl command worked, and without a logout or reboot
[16:30] <JeffFromOH> later all. Thanks for your help
[16:30] <oerheks> have fun!
[16:30] <nunya> Got stuff to do. See y'all later.
[16:31] <longshanks> laterz
[16:47] <ByteLawd> Is there a reason why 20.10 server will work on my Raspberry Pi 3 but 20.10 desktop will not work? https://ubuntu.com/download/raspberry-pi
[16:55] <leftyfb> ByteLawd: maybe ask in #ubuntu-arm
[16:55] <ogra> there is definitely no reason, no... both should work
[16:56] <ogra> (you might hit RAM limits with desktop indeed, 1GB is really really *really* low)
[16:56] <leftyfb> ogra: someone would have to compile their own image or upgrade from 20.04
[16:57] <ogra> well, i didnt see "upgrade" in the question above ....
[16:58] <leftyfb> ogra: there is no 20.10 desktop image available for the pi3
[16:58] <ogra> ah !
[16:58] <ogra> i didnt really look at the website, sorry
[16:59] <ogra> but what i said still applies ...
[16:59] <ogra> 1GB RAM might just be enough to boot but you wont really have fun using it ...
[16:59] <ogra> i.e. you will hit OOM all the time when starting applications
[17:00] <ogra> i guess the idling desktop will consume between 400-600MB so not really much wiggle room for running any graphical app
[17:00] <leftyfb> ogra: mind you, they are also being helped in #raspberrypi where they crossposted
[17:01] <ByteLawd> Goodness. I guess I need to run blender and openscad and octave on my pi 4 then. And my pi zeros could probably not even load xfcse since they only have 512MB of RAM
[17:01] <ogra> well, pi zeros are no supported at all by ubuntu ...
[17:01] <ogra> they are ARMv6
[17:02] <ByteLawd> yikes
[17:02] <ogra> the official armhf specification requires ARMv7
[17:02] <ogra> (this is actually the whole reason raspbian exists ... they borke the spec and created armhf for ARMv6)
[17:02] <ByteLawd> I wonder if I will be able to run matlab and vitis/vivado on my pi4 or whether those are x86 apps only
[17:03] <ByteLawd> wrong channel I guess
[17:05] <Deano59> ugh, without opening google... what command to run to check my temps?
[17:05] <Deano59> ubuntu 20.10...
[17:06] <ogra> du -hcs /tmp
[17:06] <ogra> ?
[17:07] <ByteLawd> temperature or temp file mounts?
[17:07] <leftyfb> Deano59: the top link here has the answer you're looking for: https://www.google.com/search?q=ubuntu+check+temperature&oq=ubuntu+check+temperature
[17:08] <ogra> ah, temperatures ...
[17:08] <leftyfb> Deano59: the 2nd link there also has the answer
[17:08] <ogra> "temps" can have so many meanings 😉
[17:09] <Deano59> forgot about lm-sensors :D thanks.
[17:25] <swear000> hi
[17:31] <Gramcore> what is this about? a bug? networking.service fails to start https://dpaste.org/1NKr
[17:31] <Gramcore> what should i look for to solve this
[17:32] <leftyfb> Gramcore: what version of ubuntu?
[17:33] <Gramcore> 18.04
[17:34] <leftyfb> Gramcore: is this 18.04 that was upgraded from a previous version?
[17:34] <Gramcore> no just an old machine, and noticed this now
[17:34] <Gramcore> networking works by the way not sure what this is about
[17:35] <Gramcore> i can't find any logs ore more info on it
[17:35] <leftyfb> Gramcore: Ubuntu 18.04 uses netplan by default. Did you remove it and install ifupdown instead?
[17:36] <Gramcore> this is made with debootstrap or something similar which creates custom isos for cloud
[17:36] <Gramcore> used ubuntu as base
[17:37] <leftyfb> Gramcore: ok, then you'll have to seek support from whoever made the custom distro. It's not using a default network stack so we have no idea what they might have changed
[17:38] <Gramcore> is that ifupdown a systemd thing? or the netplan one is?
[17:40] <leftyfb> Gramcore: systemd is your init system. ifupdown and netplan are both network configuration tools. systemd will manage either service depending on which is installed properly
[17:41] <Gramcore> seems there is also systemd-networkd
[17:41] <Gramcore> netplan can create configuration it says for that and also for networkmanager, seems cool
[17:42] <leftyfb> correct
[17:58] <swear000> does anyone know about tracker-miner-fs pam or dbus?
[18:10] <oerheks> tracker-miner-fs;  metadata database, indexer and search tool - filesystem indexer
[18:10] <oerheks> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/bionic/+package/tracker-miner-fs
[18:11] <oerheks> dbus, AFAIK
[18:12] <ByteLawd> How do I uninstall gnome and X and all its dependencies and turn my GUI desktop into an ubuntu server that boots up to shell only? 20.10 installed on raspberry pi 3
[18:12] <swear000> tracker-miner-fs reports:  Unable to get XDG user directory path for special directory
[18:13] <swear000> running dbus from the systemd --user instance
[18:13] <swear000> also seems a problem
[18:13] <swear000> it is set up but still throwing errors in journal
[18:14] <swear000> which is best way to troubleshoot errors?  from top down or bottom up?
[18:15] <oerheks> swear000,  a quick search, does this hapen with pihole?
[18:16] <swear000> no I read that and tried masking
[18:16] <leftyfb> ByteLawd: it will be a LOT quicker and cleaner to just load 20.04/10 onto an SD card fresh.
[18:17] <swear000> it had no effect.  I think I have to patch and recompile kernel and the do the same for gnome.
[18:18] <swear000> Wayland looks like it is going to be a pain although it is better in some ways
[18:18] <swear000> I only have an acer laptop
[18:20] <swear000> linux was fun before they "fixed" it.  Now it has plenty of bloat, bugs, and security issues (like windows!)
[18:21] <leftyfb> !ot | swear000
[18:22] <swear000> I am on Ubuntu 20.10
[18:22] <oerheks> never noticed high cpu with indexing.. are you sure your specs meet the min. requirements for ubuntu 64 bit?
[18:22] <oerheks> duo core, 4 gb ram..
[18:24] <swear000> Core i5 6GB RAM
[18:25] <swear000> argh...damn bots
[18:28] <ByteLawd> leftyfb, errr well I did load it fresh but I want to uninstall the gui because I am low on ram
[18:28] <leftyfb> ByteLawd: load the server version fresh
[18:32] <ByteLawd> leftyfb, I am bandwidth and time constrained
[18:33] <ByteLawd> But actually I should load the raspbian image instead for the pi3 and just use ubuntu on the pi4
[18:33] <leftyfb> ByteLawd: try https://www.techandme.se/completley-remove-ubuntu-desktop-from-a-ubuntu-server/
[18:35] <ByteLawd> tx
[19:17] <rangergord> Hi. When a package is updated, can I tell what changes were made? Like tracking release notes for a set of packages?
[19:18] <oerheks> check the changelog on launchpad?
[19:19] <oerheks> or 'apt changelog <package>'
[19:21] <rangergord> nice, thanks
[19:54] <ripdisk> heh - found another random laptop in my crap ...... third one this month..... gonna put ubuntu on this one
[19:54] <ripdisk> should I use 20.04 or 20.10
[19:55] <ripdisk> er, what i mean to say:
[19:55] <ripdisk> is 20.10 stable enough to use
[19:55] <tomreyn> that's up to you, both are supported at this time. your choice is between a long (20.04) and short (20.10) term support release.
[19:56] <ripdisk> so basically
[19:56] <ripdisk> 20.10 is equiv to "current:
[19:56] <ripdisk> "
[19:56] <tomreyn> currently, yes.
[19:56] <ripdisk> copy that, ten four
[19:56] <tomreyn> !yy.mm
[19:57] <tomreyn> !lts
[19:57] <ripdisk> yeah i'm not a linux newbie i just haven't touched ubuntu in a long time
[19:57] <ripdisk> honestly, only reason i'm doing so now is just for fun
[19:57] <ripdisk> last laptop I did slackware
[19:57] <ripdisk> one before that i did deb
[19:58] <ripdisk> I'm an IT guy and I'm going through some storage - finding al lkinds of crap, might as well get it running
[19:58] <tomreyn> ok, any more support questions for now?
[19:58] <ripdisk> nope, thanks.
[19:58] <tomreyn> there's also #ubuntu-offtopic if you'd like it more social
[19:59] <tomreyn> thanks
[20:08] <oerheks> ripdisk, i hope it has 4gb mem/duo core
[20:18] <ripdisk> oerheks yeah i keep pulling out laptops out of places in my work room I didn't know I had - most of them towards the 'end' of windows 7
[20:18] <ripdisk> it'll meet those requirements though. I wouldn't even mess with it otherwise.
[20:19] <oerheks>  oh good, 'Vista' machines are now the minimum
[20:19] <oerheks> it really depends on the mem and GPU
[20:29] <ripdisk> well, i'm an IT guy and have boxes and boxes of ram, i'm sure i can upgrade
[20:29] <ripdisk> in fact i have an 8gb stick for it, if it'll take it
[20:30] <oerheks> for full functions of LVM, one needs 4gb for block copy + 1gb  ..
[20:31] <oerheks> yay, new Firefox update 86.0+build3-0ubuntu0.20.04.1
[20:31] <Maik> need to check again then
[20:31] <Maik> got it first on 20.10
[20:32] <Maik> ah, yep, there it finally is
[20:33] <oerheks> i only advertise if it is really important.
[20:34] <Deano59> just upgraded, thanks oerheks :)
[20:56] <Mipsalawishus> Does anyone have experience setting up Dovecot+LetsEncrypt?
[20:57] <dob1> there is some way to  fix this This application failed to start because it could not find or load the Qt platform plugin "wayland-egl"
[20:57] <dob1> in "".
[20:58] <oerheks> hi Mipsalawishus, Not personally, a recent blog https://www.linuxbabe.com/mail-server/secure-email-server-ubuntu-postfix-dovecot
[20:59] <dob1> I am unable tu run this snap qt application while using wayland
[20:59] <oerheks> hi dob1 i suspected that, not all snaps are ready for wayland
[20:59] <oerheks> This application failed to start because it could not find or load the Qt platform plugin "wayland-egl"
[20:59] <oerheks> err
[20:59] <oerheks> https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/apps-wont-run-and-crash-on-gnome-wayland/20322
[21:00] <oerheks> a list from 2020
[21:01] <Mipsalawishus> oerheks, I followed a tutorial nearly identical to that one, but the issue I'm having is with the ssl keys. The correct path is in the 10-ssl.conf file, but clients still can't connect
[21:01] <oerheks> i find 'qtwayland5' is needed in such snaps
[21:01] <dob1> oerheks, so it just depends on snap not the application itself. once snap will be upgrade maybe the app will work, right?
[21:01] <Mipsalawishus> It's been a few years since I last setup an email server so I'm relearning some of this
[21:02] <oerheks> Mipsalawishus, oke, you might want to reask in #ubuntu-server too..
[21:02] <Mipsalawishus> oerheks, ahh gotcha - thanks!
[21:02] <oerheks> dob1, yes, but there are more hooks, there is #snappy dedicated channel here on freenode.
[21:03] <dob1> oerheks, ok thanks
[21:03] <oerheks> i encountered such snap things too, could not fix it myself
[21:03] <oerheks> sudo snap install re-volt --edge
[21:22] <Deano59> when will ubuntu get openvpn 2.5.0?
[21:24] <oerheks> https://launchpad.net/openvpn/+packages next 21.04
[21:24] <Deano59> damn, thanks.
[21:24] <oerheks> not sure when it will be backported
[21:24] <Deano59> still an April release, right?
[21:24] <oerheks> .04
[21:24] <oerheks> yes
[21:24] <Deano59> cheers dude. :)
[22:42] <polymid> Hi there. I have one question. How can I make a shortcut of a flatpak program on my desktop. I can't find any .desktop files I can launch
[23:02] <Maik> polymid: try asking in #flatpak
[23:03] <Maik> i searched the web for you but didn't find anything, so the next best bet is to ask there
[23:03] <sarnold> heh
[23:07] <oerheks> create such desktopfile, i am sure that flatpak gives an example https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UnityLaunchersAndDesktopFiles
[23:08] <oerheks> wait, if this is serious...
[23:08] <oerheks> https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxquestions/comments/8g81sd/adding_a_flatpak_shortcut_to_my_ubuntu_1803/dy9jer8
[23:08] <Maik> they're gone oerheks
[23:08] <oerheks> "... you need to first log out and log in again.."
[23:09] <sarnold> interesting find oerheks
[23:09] <oerheks> jups, who is going to test it?
[23:09] <Maik> i don't
[23:10] <oerheks>  Flatpak stores .desktop files in a different location, so the $XDG_DATA_DIRS environment variable needs to be updated first
[23:11] <Maik> i found that link too by the way but it's a question on how to add it to the launcher. polymid asked how to add it to his desktop.
[23:11] <sarnold> hmm do desktops still have icons? I thought that was removed
[23:12] <oerheks> h, ón the desktop.. dragging does not help, gnome-tweak-tool does IIRC
[23:12] <Maik> sarnold: main ubuntu has a homefolder and trash icon on the desktop by default
[23:17] <sarnold> Maik: interesting :) thanks
[23:18] <Maik> oh, and mounted drives also appear on the desktop
[23:19] <yates> how do i search for the package that provides a specific file with apt?
[23:20] <yates> e.g., libpcre.so.1 in pandoc: error while loading shared libraries: libpcre.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[23:21] <oerheks> !find  libpcre.so.1
[23:21] <sarnold> yates: apt-file search
[23:21] <yates> sarnold: +1
[23:34] <Loeb> Why does subiquity only create a 200gb LV by default and how would I change this to use whole disk via yaml config when autoinstalling?
[23:41] <sarnold> Loeb: I think type: lvm_partition https://curtin.readthedocs.io/en/latest/topics/storage.html#lvm-partition-command
[23:44] <soloslinger> Hey all.  I'm on Ubuntu 20.  I can't seem to make vim stop substituting spaces for tabs when writing to a .py file.  I've tried :set noexpandtab, but it still does it.  What switch am I missing?
[23:45] <viaSanctus> if you compare the misery linux users go through by simply reading chat ...and compare that with the braindead questions windows users ask...you cannot but conclude linux failed
[23:45] <viaSanctus> and i hate window
[23:45] <viaSanctus> cant believe i'm even stating this
[23:45] <guntbert_> !ot | viaSanctus
[23:45] <viaSanctus> lol guntbert_ no worries my man ;)
[23:46] <viaSanctus> no worries :)
[23:46] <oerheks> nobody asked you, viaSanctus, technical support only
[23:46] <Cyb3r-Assassin> unfortunately I broke python somhow and need a little help getting python3 working correctly and pip functioning. I know I have 3.8 ant 3.9 installed but python3.9 --version comes back python3.9: can't open file '/home/$user/––version': [Errno 2] No such file or directory. pip says -bash: /home/$user/.local/bin/pip: /usr/bin/python: bad interpreter: No such file or directory and pipx says no
[23:46] <viaSanctus> that wasn't an answer to a q, your statement is longing the fact
[23:46] <Cyb3r-Assassin> such file or directory
[23:50] <sarnold> soloslinger: there's a bunch of different variables that are related; try :help tabstop to see the usual choices
[23:50] <sarnold> soloslinger: it's also possible that you've got plugins or scripts or autocmd rules installed that do things
[23:51] <Bashing-om> Cyb3r-Assassin: I have no pip skills - however as to python - is the symlink broke ? what shows ' ls -al /usr/bin/python3 ' ?
[23:51] <soloslinger> sarnold: It's possible an extra config rode along for the ride, but I wouldn't think so.  I think I'm still pretty stock.  But, you've pointed me in a direction, and I'll get to reading.  All my google searches on the subject want to take me the opposite direction.
[23:51] <Cyb3r-Assassin> Bashing-om:lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 Mar 13  2020 /usr/bin/python3 -> python3.8
[23:51] <oerheks> !info python3.9 focal
[23:52] <oerheks> it is in our repos, use that instead of pip3 ?
[23:53] <soloslinger> sarnold: Hrm.  Looks like tabstop is the amount of spaces a tab translates to, and not related to turning a tab into some equivalent amount of spaces.
[23:54] <soloslinger> :q
[23:54] <pytorch> My vm hangs while booting with this : https://pasteboard.co/JQdci9zB.png - any ideas on how to fix this? ubuntu 20.04lts
[23:54] <pytorch> it does boot eventually - after a few minutes
[23:55] <hggdh> Cyb3r-Assassin: this is probably because there is no 'python' in Focal. There can be 'python3' and 'python2' (if you installed python version 2), but no 'python'. Your pip* probably has a shebang for /usr/bin/python
[23:55] <pytorch> dmesg doesnt show any red items
[23:59] <Cyb3r-Assassin> hggdh:I haven't spent much time on a debian based system in a decade so not exactly sure what Focal is to the system. I purged out python2 and migrated from v18x to v20x. Sadly pythons staying broken. Is there slot management control? Google fu was coming back with antiquated commands from ubuntu v14x. When I force reinstall python3x it references it's install with focal2. "Unpacking python3.9
[23:59] <Cyb3r-Assassin> (3.9.2-1+focal2)"