[00:04] <sarnold> Cyb3r-Assassin: aha, look here for information on support / bugs with that version of python https://launchpad.net/~deadsnakes/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[00:08] <hggdh> Cyb3r-Assassin: also, if you want 'python' to be python2, you should install the package python-is-python2. Orif you want 'python' to be python3, you install python-is-python3
[00:08] <hggdh> but -- AFAICR -- by default, there is no 'python'
[00:11]  * soloslinger grumbles.
[00:18] <Cyb3r-Assassin> hggdh: it looks like the interpriter may be working now, so python itself is now ok. /usr/bin/python#.# will execute the python interpriter. pip fails because 2.7 is gone but pip3 works. pipx package was installed but fails with ~/.local/bin/pipx: No such file or directory.
[00:23] <Cyb3r-Assassin> this may help https://bpa.st/2OFAK
[00:50]  * eelstrebor fixed his gftp problem by installing the unity desktop on 20.04.2
[01:01] <Deihmos> what happened to the minimal install cd
[01:02] <Deihmos> the last version is 18.04
[01:12] <Maik> Deihmos: late to the party? They quit releasing mini isos. The last one is 20.04 and can be found here: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/focal/main/installer-amd64/current/legacy-images/netboot/
[01:12] <Maik> :)
[01:16] <Deihmos> I see. The default installs so many packages. Thinking about moving from debian server to Ubuntu
[01:16] <Maik> there are server images you know
[01:17] <Maik> those are used these day to do a basic install
[01:33] <sarnold> Deihmos: depending upon what you're doing the cloud images may help http://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/
[01:35] <Loeb> sarnold, is there somewhere that I can find the default curtin config used when you call "layout: name: lvm"?
[01:35] <Loeb> I assume it's still using curtain behind the scenes
[01:36] <Loeb> ... and as SOON as I say that, I scroll down instead of up
[01:36] <Loeb> Disregard.
[01:36] <Loeb> (It's lower down on the link from earlier)
[01:38] <sarnold> Loeb: woo :)
[02:04] <Loeb> I do very much wish the default just used the whole disk, the graphical installer does that too
[05:25] <swear000> is it better to debug the journal from the bottom up or top down?
[05:28] <lotuspsychje> swear000: journal logs are to interpret from the actual info it gives you, top or bottom is just a position
[05:30] <lotuspsychje> swear000: bottom logs are newer
[05:31] <swear000> well I just wanted to solve problems quickly.  I am on 20.04 and I want to get as much spam cleared as possible.
[05:33] <swear000> update-notifier says: "gtk_widget_get_scale_factor: assertion 'GTK_IS_WIDGET (widget)' failed" but where do I find update-notifier referencing GTK
[05:35] <swear000> I also get messages like org.freedesktop.systemd1' failed but that is actually related to dbus
[05:36] <lotuspsychje> swear000: journal logs gather a lot if info you cannot prevent it all, only on real bugs when you solve the specific lines will vanish
[05:39] <swear000> can I use a tool like MELD to diff the changes and fix errors faster?
[05:42] <Bashing-om> swear000: Maybe of help: https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-use-journalctl-to-view-and-manipulate-systemd-logs .
[05:56] <Junior> Good morning!
[05:58] <swear000> that is kind of helpful but the little things like dbus from the systemd --user instance.  My dbus is running but does it want my user session to starrt from pam or gdm or bash?
[05:58] <Junior> I have the following problem https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Gaming-Laptops/Bluetooth-not-working-on-my-Legion-Y530/m-p/4581719?page=1#5225190  - lenovo supports says that they do not support "linux", any idea how to fix this? I have just tested the bluetooth headset on windows by playing aprox. 40 minutes videos on youtube and the headset connection
[05:58] <Junior> does not drop
[06:00] <Junior> i need to rephrase my previous question - their reply was: "Just to set your expectation, the Legion C530 is not listed as compatible to run Linux OS"
[06:01] <swear000> maybe reload the bluetooth module
[06:01] <Junior> swear000 this problem is 2 months old, i have reloaded, restarted many times
[06:01] <abhijit> Hi All. How can I map the mouse scroll wheel to volume increase/decrease
[06:04] <swear000> did you check here :https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/bluetooth_headset
[06:05] <Junior> that particular link no, let me see what is there, thanks
[06:07] <Junior> but i hope that you understood that i can connect just fine, but from time to time without "reason" if i play from youtube, spotify etc. i have pauses
[06:11] <Junior> it seems that there is something that i can try - pactl set-port-latency-offset <bluez_card> headset-output 125000 , will do this, thanks
[06:11] <swear000> yes because those services deliver a lot of bandwith intensive data.  Linux is better at text and networking.  It does some window manager functions but can be buggy in some areas especially with unsupported hardware.
[06:16] <Junior> set port latency did not word, restarted pulse audio, "connection" still drops - by connection i mean for aprox 2 seconds the sounds interrupts
[06:40] <aquanaut> hi,i need install pylab in linux python2 env.how can to do that?Thank you.
[08:14] <Brotchu> hi
[08:17] <kirk781> hello Brotchu
[08:18] <Brotchu> hi Kirk . i am new to IRC. now i know its working
[08:19] <kirk781> Brotchu, noice; chose irssi you did :p
[08:21] <Brotchu> yeah, i like to stick with CLI. i am reading the docs in another window; figuring it out
[08:25] <meandrain> hi, any idea what would be a partition size for swap, these days? The machine has 128 GB of RAM. I would not make such huge swap partition (like it was in the past recommended to be double of ram).
[08:26] <meandrain> And another question, any idea in case of kernel debugging, do you need a big swap partition?
[08:26] <EriC^^> meandrain: if you wont use hibernation you dont really need a swap
[08:26] <EriC^^> no idea on the kernel debugging
[08:26] <meandrain> no, I don't use hibernation
[08:28] <ThinkT510> Brotchu: weechat is another popular choice for a terminal IRC client
[09:14] <random_programme> Hi, I am trying to login to a remote Ubuntu VM via vnc. I was able to setup the VNC connection and am able to see the ubuntu login screen. But even after trying to logging in with the root user's password, it says 'Sorry, that didn't work. Please try again.'
[09:14] <random_programme> Can someone please tell me what the problem is?
[09:35] <ducasse> don't run the gui as root
[09:42] <random_programme> ducasse Great, that resolved the issue. Thanks
[09:43] <lotuspsychje> !yay
[10:00] <Mrokii> Hello. Does anybody know if one can burn M-Discs on Linux/(K)ubuntu? And if so, does anybdoy have tips for an external drive?
[10:07] <tomreyn> Mrokii: i think those are burnt the same way as dvds + blue-rays, isn't it?
[10:10] <Mrokii> tomreyn: I guess, as they're technically Blu-Rays as well. I just don't know if the discs with greater sizes are recognised by Linux and the burning-software.
[10:13] <ducasse> iirc they use some proprietary bits
[10:13] <ducasse> could be wron, though
[10:13] <ducasse> *wrong
[10:14] <tomreyn> https://maximumhoyt.blogspot.com/2017/08/burning-25gb-m-discs.html
[10:15] <Mrokii> tomreyn: Possibly a bit outdated, but thanks anyway. I'll take a look.
[10:16] <tomreyn> yes, this article is a bit dated. but when there was support in 2017, then i assume those tools still support it now.
[10:16] <tomreyn> you may want to use a CLI utility so that you'll not miss any error messages or warnings.
[10:17] <Mrokii> that's no problem.
[10:17] <Mrokii> using a cli-utilty I mean.
[10:22] <isomari> greetings, my laptop time is always 3 minutes behind every other clock in my system even afte using sntp to sync. Any suggestions?
[10:30] <summonner> do you have the ntp daemon installed
[10:32] <kevr> i'm having issues with booting on an lvm-on-luks setup. not sure what just happened, but update-initramfs got ran and i changed some things around, and i just started experiencing a blocking issue: now it's telling me, after i unlock 'cryptdata' successfully from the grub encrypt hook prompt, the login just spins forever and if i use an F key to switch to another tty, it tells me that it's having
[10:32] <kevr> trouble finding the "data" volume group. when cryptdata is unlocked, it contains an lvm group data and lv root, for /dev/mapper/data-root.
[10:32] <kevr> the weird thing is, it seems to be scanning /dev/mapper/data-root with no problem (with fsck, looks like)
[10:32] <kevr> so i'm not sure why it's complaining about not finding the data group
[10:33] <kevr> hell, i just booted into live iso multiple times to check it all out, it all looks fine.
[10:33] <kevr> perhaps it is running lvm before the encrypt hook.
[11:40] <kevr> wtf man
[11:40] <kevr> its somehow stuck saying its not found, but it mounts it completely fine in the emergency shell
[11:40] <kevr> all my files are there
[11:54] <Paddy_NI> I have a bit of a minor issue with the default audio output that the gnome shell panel applet uses.  It's the wrong one and no matter how hard I have tried I cannot get it to default to the one I want.  Any ideas?
[11:55] <Paddy_NI> It uses "Analog Output Built-in Audio" instead of the one I want which is "Line out Built-in Audio".
[11:56] <Paddy_NI> I have a vague memory of this not being an issue during the early days of the 20.04 release as analog output actually worked and line out did nothing.  Now it's reversed.
[11:56] <Paddy_NI> *analogue
[11:57] <Paddy_NI> As I said it's a minor issue but it would be nice to arrest control of the problem
[12:15] <irgendwer4711> hi, when will Thunderbird 78.8 be rolled out?
[12:22] <handlebar> irgendwer4711 : it is available now but for only 7, 8 and 10
[12:22] <irgendwer4711> linux 7?
[12:22] <handlebar> windows, that is.
[12:22] <irgendwer4711> :-D
[12:23] <handlebar> shouldn't be far behind.
[12:23] <irgendwer4711> silly bugs in pre 78.8
[12:29] <lotuspsychje> irgendwer4711: snap info thunderbird
[12:30] <irgendwer4711> I dont wanne play a snap game
[12:31] <summonner> 7 8 9 (hey, it was hungry)
[12:37] <gotgot36> Hi there, I'm on Hirsute (maybe it's not the right channel) and I have an issue with copy/paste only when using wayland. It seems I cannot copy more than one thing per process. Eg If I copy something in my terminal, I cannot copy anything else until I copy something from my browser (or any other window).
[12:40] <lotuspsychje> gotgot36: #ubuntu+1 indeed please
[12:42] <oerheks> If I copy something in my terminal, I cannot copy anything else .. is not a bug?
[12:43] <oerheks> that is how it works, imho
[12:50] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[12:50] <kevr> i'm having issues with booting on an lvm-on-luks setup. not sure what just happened, but update-initramfs got ran and i changed some things around, and i just started experiencing a blocking issue: now it's telling me, after i unlock 'cryptdata' successfully from the grub encrypt hook prompt, the login just spins forever and if i use an F key to switch to another tty, it tells me that it's having
[12:50] <kevr> trouble finding the "data" volume group. when cryptdata is unlocked, it contains an lvm group data and lv root, for /dev/mapper/data-root. the odd thing is, the emergency shell has the logical volume associated with the volume group mounted at / properly.
[12:51] <kevr> i've tried completely reinstalling lvm2 and cryptsetup-initramfs, same behavior
[12:52] <kevr> but it does look like my other partition was a key stored at /etc/luks/home.key isn't mounted.
[12:58] <summonner> oerheks, what happens when you log off and back on again? does it all work fine?
[12:58] <lotuspsychje> one for you TJ- ^
[12:59] <oerheks> summonner, this was my reply to gotgot36
[12:59] <summonner> gotgot36,  what happens when you log off and back on again? does it all work fine?
[12:59] <oerheks> ine can give a copy comand in terminal, but must wait fr the prompt to return
[12:59] <oerheks> c/one
[13:00] <summonner> the behavior I've seen from time to time too, but on xfce/lxdm, it ends up going away after I do a heap of copies or something
[13:04] <gotgot36> thanks for you help! moving to #ubuntu+1 then
[13:33] <clarkk> does anyone know what the symbols mean in each package page in the Ubuntu Software app? For example, sometimes there's a little coloured tick next to the Developer name. I presume it meawns that the developer is verified, but I'd like to read some documentation that explains it, and what goes into the verification process. Also, sometimes there's a penguin next to the developer name
[13:34] <clarkk> for example, look at the shutter page. Developer: Alan Pope, with a penguin. Is the penguin significant?
[13:35] <clarkk> The VLC page shows a tick. Is this significant?
[13:37] <lotuspsychje> pretty sure popey uses the penguin for fun clarkk
[13:38] <clarkk> thanks lotuspsychje . Could you look at the VLC page for the tick?
[13:39] <lotuspsychje> clarkk: the green tick that says vlc is installed you mean?
[13:40] <ducasse> clarkk: the tick mark might mean it's installed?
[13:40] <clarkk> lotuspsychje, next to the dev name?
[13:41] <clarkk> mine has that even when it's not installed
[13:41] <lotuspsychje> clarkk: oh, i see it publisher: VideoLAN✓
[13:41] <clarkk> yes
[13:42] <clarkk> it could be a useful feature, if it means that a dev is verified, but without some official documentation, it's quite useless
[13:42] <lotuspsychje> lets goto #ubuntu-discuss please clarkk
[13:42] <clarkk> ok
[13:50] <kevr> lightdm is giving me a monitor error when it starts up, but it looks like a false positive.
[13:51] <kevr> only happens when i first start up X too, seems like it errors out because its waiting for the monitor to wake up
[13:55] <clarkk> on ubuntu 20.04, when I go to Settings > Power, and disable "wifi can be turned off to save power", it switches the wifi off. Has anyone else seen this issue before?
[13:56] <leftyfb> clarkk: it's a toggle for you to disable wifi if you prefer to have it off to save power
[13:56] <clarkk> heh, leftyfb seems a bit pointless
[13:57] <leftyfb> clarkk: then don't use it
[13:57] <clarkk> the description does not make it intuitive
[13:58] <eeos> hi everybody! After the last update this morning, the wifi does not work properly anymore and I get  "Microcode SW error detected.  Restarting 0x2000000."
[13:58] <eeos> Ubuntu 20.04.1 LTS 64 bit on Thinkpad X1 Yoga Carbon
[13:59] <leftyfb> eeos: try reverting to your previous kernel
[14:01] <leftyfb> clarkk: feel free to file a bug
[14:04] <eeos> leftyfb: OK :-(
[14:07] <eeos> leftyfb: thank you!
[14:19] <thyriaen> I would like to write a simple bash script to change every single line in a file the same way, what are good resources for that kind of thing ?
[14:20] <lotuspsychje> thyriaen: #bash or ##programming ##linux perhaps ?
[14:20] <thyriaen> lotuspsychje, thanks ill try
[15:03] <ducasse> thyriaen: find a good guide to 'sed'
[15:05] <ducasse> thyriaen: o'reilly has a book called 'sed & awk'
[15:14] <Nitrousoxide> If I wanted to switch my desktop install to a server install, would uninstalling Gnome suffice?
[15:28] <kxsl> anyone familiar with using sed? i'm trying to use it to replace a simple string in an html file, but running `sed '/s/string1/string2/' example.html` doesn't change example.html, when i grep for string1 i find everything i found before using sed
[15:28] <unixbsd_> openmorrowind openmw works very well., fine. But How to play OBLIVION on Ubuntu?
[15:31] <[itchyjunk]> Hello, i have not done any update. when i started my computer today, i am unable to launch firefox. as soon as i start it it says firefox crashed.
[15:31] <dwm-user> Hi, its my first day with dwm, all was going well but then all of a sudden all alt keys stopped working. Now I cannot do anything with them and am stuck. I simply installed dwm with `sudo apt install dwm`. Any clues on what should I do? I only have this browser open. Cannot do anything else as all actions involve alt key.
[15:31] <[itchyjunk]> It says quit or restart and neither one worked.
[15:32] <Patrick_> j irssi
[15:32] <Patrick_> oops
[15:33] <[itchyjunk]> That's the only browser i have, i can't even google what the issue is.
[15:34] <[itchyjunk]> Maybe i can remove it through terminal and then download it through apt-get?
[15:34] <unixbsd_> why not evilwm? dwm is fine...
[15:34] <leftyfb> kxsl: sed -i
[15:36] <leftyfb> [itchyjunk]: you could try:   mv ~/.mozilla/ ~/mozilla-profile-backup
[15:36] <leftyfb> [itchyjunk]: then open firefox
[15:36] <leftyfb> oh wait
[15:36] <[itchyjunk]> It doesn't start.
[15:36] <leftyfb> [itchyjunk]: you could try:   mv ~/.mozilla/firefox ~/mozilla-firefox-profile-backup
[15:36] <[itchyjunk]> hm let me try
[15:37] <[itchyjunk]> still exact thing.
[15:37] <[itchyjunk]> crashed when i click the icon to open it.
[15:37] <leftyfb> [itchyjunk]: what version of ubuntu?
[15:38] <[itchyjunk]> 18.04
[15:38] <leftyfb> [itchyjunk]: please pastebin the output of: apt-cache policy firefox
[15:39] <oerheks> maybe firefox is restricted withut the latest update yesterday?
[15:39] <leftyfb> [itchyjunk]: apt-cache policy firefox | nc termbin.com 9999
[15:39] <oerheks> what is the reason not to update, i wonder.
[15:39] <[itchyjunk]> apt-cache policy firefox
[15:39] <[itchyjunk]> firefox:
[15:39] <[itchyjunk]>   Installed: 86.0+build3-0ubuntu0.18.04.1
[15:39] <[itchyjunk]>   Candidate: 86.0+build3-0ubuntu0.18.04.1
[15:39] <[itchyjunk]>   Version table:
[15:39] <[itchyjunk]>  *** 86.0+build3-0ubuntu0.18.04.1 500
[15:40] <leftyfb> that is the latest version. I'm not even updated to that one yet :)
[15:40] <oerheks> that would be the latest,,
[15:40] <[itchyjunk]> sorry
[15:40] <[itchyjunk]> https://termbin.com/6gqg
[15:41] <leftyfb> [itchyjunk]: you could try to revert: sudo apt install --reinstall firefox=85.0.1+build1-0ubuntu0.18.04.1
[15:41] <[itchyjunk]> E: Version '85.0.1+build1-0ubuntu0.18.04.1' for 'firefox' was not found
[15:43] <leftyfb> [itchyjunk]: try to run firefox from a terminal and pastebin the output
[15:44] <[itchyjunk]> i tried firefox | nc termbin.com 9999 but it just dumped the result in terminal and not pastebin
[15:45] <leftyfb> ah, try: firefox 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999
[15:46] <[itchyjunk]> https://termbin.com/syxu
[15:46] <unixbsd_> the best is to use xterm
[15:46] <unixbsd_> put xterm, run into it your command, select with mouse
[15:46] <unixbsd_> and then
[15:47] <unixbsd_> xclip -o > te ;  leafpad te &    cat te | nc termbin.com 9999       you are all done then.
[15:48] <leftyfb> unixbsd_: that is in no way easier
[15:49] <unixbsd_> it is more unix and less ubuntu click to know nothing.
[15:49] <leftyfb> [itchyjunk]: has your system run out of disk space? df -h ~/
[15:50] <[itchyjunk]> says used 41G available 98G userd% 30% mounted on /
[15:51] <leftyfb> [itchyjunk]: does this open: firefox -Profilemanager
[15:51] <[itchyjunk]> Only thing i've done different in past few months is followed a guide a few days ago to install arduino ide. idk if that matters
[15:51] <[itchyjunk]> No, gives exact same error
[15:51] <ioria> maybe try to start it in --safe-mode [itchyjunk]
[15:52] <[itchyjunk]> Same error with --safe-mode
[15:52] <leftyfb> [itchyjunk]: firefox -g 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999
[15:52] <[itchyjunk]> https://termbin.com/o9hp
[15:53] <leftyfb> [itchyjunk]: nothing else was output to the terminal?
[15:53] <[itchyjunk]> no, it never ended though
[15:53] <[itchyjunk]> the process never terminated
[15:54] <[itchyjunk]> i ran it myself this is the last thing i see
[15:54] <[itchyjunk]> Reading symbols from /usr/lib/firefox/firefox...(no debugging symbols found)...done.
[15:54] <[itchyjunk]> (gdb)
[15:54] <leftyfb> interesting
[15:55] <leftyfb> [itchyjunk]: sudo apt remove --purge firefox && sudo apt install --reinstall firefox
[15:56] <[itchyjunk]> Could i have broken firefox by installing arduino ide?
[15:56] <leftyfb> unlikely
[15:56] <[itchyjunk]> Yeah, it was working after the install
[15:56] <[itchyjunk]> Still the same error
[15:57] <ioria> [itchyjunk], are you fuly updated ?
[15:57] <ioria> *fully
[15:57] <[itchyjunk]> Hm, I don't know what you mean.
[15:58] <ioria> [itchyjunk], sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade
[15:58] <[itchyjunk]> I sudo apt updated earlier i'll try both of this again
[15:58] <leftyfb> [itchyjunk]: you can also try creating a new ubuntu user, log out, log back in as the new user and try opening firefox
[16:02] <aquanaut> hi,how can i install pylab in ubuntu 20.4 python2 env?
[16:03] <[itchyjunk]> How do I add a new user?
[16:04] <unixbsd_> adduser --uid 1050 itchyjunk
[16:04] <leftyfb> go to "users" in the settings
[16:04] <leftyfb> unixbsd_: lets try to do things the ubuntu way
[16:04] <unixbsd_> ubuntu is linux, so we shall learn linux first. ubuntu = linux
[16:05] <leftyfb> unixbsd_: you are not helping
[16:05] <unixbsd_> leftyfb: you are not helping either. you can /ignore unixbsd
[16:05] <[itchyjunk]> Hm, I see "online accounts" but nothing that says 'users'
[16:06] <leftyfb> [itchyjunk]: hit your <super> key and type users
[16:07] <leftyfb> [itchyjunk]: future reference, in the settings window, it's under details -> users
[16:09] <[itchyjunk]> Ah
[16:09] <[itchyjunk]> I tried firefox with the new user. exact same error
[16:10] <leftyfb> [itchyjunk]: time to bring out the big guns:   strace firefox 2>&1 | nc termbin 9999
[16:11] <[itchyjunk]> https://termbin.com/y7n2
[16:11] <unixbsd_> [itchyjunk]: to see where is your bin, just try:   cd /usr ;  find -iname "*firefox*"          it happends very often on debian/ubuntu that locations differs.
[16:12] <unixbsd_> alternatively run :    iceweasel ubuntu.org
[16:12] <mort> soooo I have an Ubuntu Server machine which I just now upgraded from 18.04 to 20.04
[16:12] <mort> it now has GDM and it now goes to sleep after a period of not touching a mouse or keyboard
[16:12] <mort> I don't think that's how servers work
[16:13] <leftyfb> [itchyjunk]: don't listen to unixbsd_.   Got a couple things to try:   rm -rf ~/.cache/mozilla/firefox
[16:13] <[itchyjunk]> Hm, i tried installing firefox quantum from the software store and run it and got the same issue :s
[16:13] <leftyfb> mort: Ubuntu server will never install gdm by default
[16:13] <[itchyjunk]> removed and tried running ff, still same
[16:14] <aquanaut> hi,how can i install pylab in ubuntu 20.4 python2 env?
[16:14] <leftyfb> [itchyjunk]: rm -rf /var/cache/fontconfig
[16:14] <unixbsd_> leftyfb, to be really sure: the mozilla: cd ;  rm -rf .Mozilla ; rm -rf .mozilla ; rm -rf .cache  ; pkill -9 mozilla* ; rm -rf .config/mozilla
[16:14] <tomreyn> !info pylab
[16:15] <tomreyn> aquanaut: ^
[16:15] <tomreyn> it must be a third party software - check their documentation and support channels.
[16:15] <[itchyjunk]> Still the same error after last command
[16:16] <unixbsd_> what does : md5sum /usr/bin/firefox* ?
[16:17] <[itchyjunk]> 42b33a4578e4a51d8a5d1010c466a9d7  /usr/bin/firefox
[16:17] <tomreyn> mort: having gdm installed is not how servers work, i agree. do you have the ubuntu-server package installed? what about the ubuntu-desktop package?
[16:17] <leftyfb> [itchyjunk]: lets try nuke from orbit: sudo apt remove --purge firefox && sudo apt install -y locate ; sudo update db ; locate firefox|grep -v home | nc termbin.com 9999
[16:17] <mort> tomreyn: I have ubuntu-server installed, and not ubuntu-desktop
[16:18] <tomreyn> mort: hmm, then i assume you already had gdm installed before you upgraded
[16:18] <leftyfb> mort: is this a VPN or some cloud image from a provider?
[16:18] <unixbsd_> maybe : export DISPLAY=:0 ;   pkill -9 firefox ; firefox --new-window ubuntu.org
[16:18] <leftyfb> sorry, VPS, not VPN
[16:19] <leftyfb> unixbsd_: we've already tried logging out and back in with a new user
[16:19] <tomreyn> unixbsd_: please do not point users to ubuntu.org (you probably mean ubuntu.com)
[16:19] <[itchyjunk]> sudo: update: command not found
[16:19] <[itchyjunk]> https://termbin.com/pvk70
[16:19] <mort> I have installed various SDL-related things on this machine though, which brought with it other graphical stuff
[16:19] <leftyfb> ugh
[16:19] <mort> never actually installed the gdm3 package though
[16:19] <unixbsd_> hey cool my groovy has also the same 42b33a4578e4a51d8a5d1010c466a9d7 .. so your firefox is well installed.
[16:19] <tomreyn> [itchyjunk]: a typo, leftyfb meant to say "sudo update-db" there
[16:19] <mort> leftyfb: no, it's just a computer I have
[16:19] <leftyfb> [itchyjunk]: sorry : sudo updatedb ; locate firefox|grep -v home | nc termbin.com 9999
[16:20] <tomreyn> right, "sudo updatedb", sorry
[16:20] <tomreyn> mort: gdm3 was probably installed as a dependency of one of the other packages you installed then
[16:20] <mort> the definite new thing after upgrading to 20.04 is that it started shutting down after inactivity
[16:21] <unixbsd_> you could reinstall your base system with a single command:  mkdir /NEW ;  cd /NEW ;  debootstrap --no-check-gpg  --include=netbase,debootstrap,gcc,make,ssh,login,passwd,wpasupplicant  groovy   . http://at.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ ; cd /NEW ; chroot . ; apt-get install firefox xserver-xorg blackbox
[16:21] <leftyfb> unixbsd_: jeezus, please stop
[16:21] <leftyfb> [itchyjunk]: please do not listen to anything unixbsd_ says
[16:21] <leftyfb> unixbsd_: you might be better off in ##linux
[16:22] <mort> but if gdm was installed on 18.04, it would make sense that automatically going to sleep after a timeout is just a sensible behavior change in gdm3
[16:22] <[itchyjunk]> https://termbin.com/ybcn
[16:22] <oerheks> unixbsd_, blackbox? please don't cross ubutu support with that stuff, thanks.
[16:22] <tomreyn> unixbsd_: i also think that some of the advcie you're providing here is not suitable for the average ubuntu user.
[16:23] <tomreyn> unixbsd_: supporting others is certainly great, but please try to recommend defaults rather than specific software and approaches you prefer.
[16:23] <oerheks> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/1917147
[16:23] <oerheks> add yourself to the bugreport?
[16:24] <leftyfb> oerheks: they're running 18.04
[16:24] <leftyfb> though it might still be relevant
[16:25] <oerheks> oh right.
[16:25] <leftyfb> [itchyjunk]: lets try a little cleanup .... hold on
[16:25] <oerheks> i think a new bugreport, linking to the 20.04 one..
[16:25] <oerheks> is there a proxy involved?
[16:25] <[itchyjunk]> It recommended sudo apt autoremove and i ran that one
[16:26] <Monotoko> Hey, I've got an automated build running and sometimes it'll die early on due to "E: The repository 'http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu focal InRelease' provides only weak security information"
[16:26] <leftyfb> can you please pastebin the list of packages the autoremove wanted you to remove?
[16:26] <Monotoko> it'll run fine the next time... even if I haven't touched anything
[16:26] <leftyfb> [itchyjunk]: ^ that is very important
[16:27] <leftyfb> oerheks: we tried on a newly created user. So not a settings/plugin issue
[16:28] <tomreyn> mort: we could spend time on trying to understand what introduced the change of behavious after you upgraded from 18.04 LTS to 20.04 LTS. or, maybe a better idea,we could try to make things work the way you like. you will most likely want to edit /etc/systemd/logind.conf after reading its manual page logind.conf(5).
[16:28] <[itchyjunk]> https://termbin.com/4b3h
[16:29] <tomreyn> Monotoko: bad proxy server?
[16:29] <Monotoko> Shouldn't be, it's running in AWS Singapore, no proxy involved
[16:29] <tomreyn> which ubuntu release is this, installed how?
[16:30] <tomreyn> i.e. what's its source?
[16:30] <mort> tomreyn: as of now I just uninstalled GDM and rebooted and it doesn't seem like there's an issue anymore. My working hypothesis is that GDM got installed as a dependency a while ago and that A) this is my first reboot since that so it's the first time GDM has actually been running, or B) 20.04 made GDM start to go to sleep after inactivity
[16:30] <leftyfb> [itchyjunk]: sudo apt -remove --purge firefox-locale-* firefox-launchpad-plugin ; rm -rf /etc/firefox /usr/lib/firefox-addons /usr/share/doc/firefox*
[16:30] <Monotoko> It's 20.04... installed through packer (it's an automated setup script, but the source of the initial image is the official Ubuntu AMI on AWS)
[16:30] <leftyfb> [itchyjunk]: also, did you install firefox from snap at one point?
[16:30] <tomreyn> mort: good theories, i'd say.
[16:30] <Monotoko> Ubuntu Server 20.04 LTS (HVM), SSD Volume Type - ami-09a6a7e49bd29554b (64-bit x86) / ami-0829b036ea7862f92 (64-bit Arm) - Ubuntu Server 20.04 LTS (HVM),EBS General Purpose (SSD) Volume Type. Support available from Canonical (http://www.ubuntu.com/cloud/services).
[16:31] <[itchyjunk]> https://termbin.com/7eoq
[16:31] <[itchyjunk]> I don't remember if i used snap but i don't think i did
[16:31] <Monotoko> that's the base image... packer is trying to build a new image based on that with some packages installed, but it fails at the first step a few times a day (apt-get update)
[16:31] <Monotoko> other times it's fine
[16:31] <[itchyjunk]> i think this ff came when i installed ubuntu on this machine
[16:32] <tomreyn> Monotoko: yes, that's official according to https://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/locator/
[16:32] <[itchyjunk]> hmm can't run that last command says permission denied
[16:33] <leftyfb> ah
[16:33] <leftyfb> [itchyjunk]: sudo apt -remove --purge firefox-locale-* firefox-launchpad-plugin ; sudo rm -rf /etc/firefox /usr/lib/firefox-addons /usr/share/doc/firefox*
[16:33] <[itchyjunk]> rm: cannot remove '/usr/share/doc/firefox-locale-zh-hant/changelog.Debian.gz': Permission denied
[16:33] <tomreyn> leftyfb: double dash for "-remove" i'd think
[16:33] <[itchyjunk]> E: Command line option 'r' [from -remove] is not understood in combination with the other options.
[16:33]  * leftyfb sigh
[16:33] <Monotoko> tomreyn yeah.. I guess it's just one of those things, we build 20-30 images a day and most of them work fine... but sometimes it'll trip over itself with the error above
[16:33] <leftyfb> not on my game today
[16:33] <leftyfb> [itchyjunk]: sudo apt --remove --purge firefox-locale-* firefox-launchpad-plugin ; sudo rm -rf /etc/firefox /usr/lib/firefox-addons /usr/share/doc/firefox*
[16:34] <Monotoko> then I gotta go in and manually kick it :')
[16:34] <leftyfb> also about to head out so if this doesn't work, I have to tap out
[16:34] <[itchyjunk]> same error but for --purge
[16:34] <leftyfb> [itchyjunk]: sudo apt remove --purge firefox-locale-* firefox-launchpad-plugin ; sudo rm -rf /etc/firefox /usr/lib/firefox-addons /usr/share/doc/firefox*
[16:34] <tomreyn> Monotoko: how much effort does it take oyu to reproduce it on a system you can temporarily change the configuration on?
[16:35] <Monotoko> never happened so far... I've even tried to do it, it seems to be really transient
[16:35] <[itchyjunk]> alright, the command worked.
[16:35] <[itchyjunk]> Should i try to install firefox now?
[16:35] <[itchyjunk]> firefox
[16:35] <[itchyjunk]> bash: /usr/bin/firefox: No such file or directory
[16:35] <leftyfb> [itchyjunk]: sudo apt update ; sudo apt install --reinstall firefox
[16:35] <oerheks> Monotoko, if you are dependant, why don't you run your own mirror?
[16:36] <Monotoko> just drives our developers mad sometimes and they're complaining at me, I'll make them a big red button or something to kick it off...
[16:36] <Monotoko> "Press this if it fails"
[16:36] <leftyfb> Monotoko: maybe setup a caching proxy?
[16:37] <Monotoko> yeah, I'll give that a go... really it's not downloading much, just standard bootstrap stuff (Docker etc)
[16:37] <[itchyjunk]> Still the same error :'(
[16:37] <tomreyn> Monotoko: is there a chance that the system date / time is (occisionally) off?
[16:37] <leftyfb> Monotoko: sure, but the kb worth of failure is this issue, not the amount being downloaded
[16:37] <[itchyjunk]> How can it be running last night and suddenly so dead?
[16:38] <Monotoko> tomreyn shouldn't be.. I think AWS runs the clock, and if they can't run a clock no-one can
[16:38] <[itchyjunk]> Is there an alternate web browser while i wait and see if firefox fixes itself?
[16:38] <leftyfb> [itchyjunk]: ok, for one last go to maybe at least get you running until the package is fixed:  sudo apt remove --purge firefox ; sudo snap install firefox
[16:39] <tomreyn> Monotoko: hmm, could be, i don't know for sure how they do it, but normally i'd expect systemd-timesyncd to be used on servers
[16:39] <tomreyn> this may or may not differ on AWS images
[16:39] <Monotoko> Yeah... I tend to leave it well enough alone, but I can add a check for drift
[16:40] <Monotoko> In the meantime... I'm going to order a big red button and wire it up
[16:40] <tomreyn> Monotoko: also, the error message you quoted is usually accompanied by other errors and notices, which may provide more information. you have not provided those.
[16:40] <Monotoko> tomreyn, I don't have much... hang on let me get it
[16:40] <leftyfb> Monotoko: IMO, resources would be better spent on a solution/mitigation, not a temporary hack
[16:41] <[itchyjunk]> no way.. still same error
[16:42] <unixbsd_> I feel that you will have to reinstall... but ok, let's see what they come up as ideas to fix this.
[16:42] <Monotoko> tomreyn https://i.imgur.com/gjT5Sht.png
[16:42] <leftyfb> [itchyjunk]: ok, something aint right with your machine. we've wiped your profiles, wiped cache, wiped the entire package, tried a different user and a completely different package management system
[16:42] <[itchyjunk]> hmm
[16:42] <[itchyjunk]> i was using firefox before i went to bed last night
[16:43] <[itchyjunk]> and i started it today morning.. maybe something is corrupted?
[16:43] <tomreyn> Monotoko: see, it looks like a follow-up error
[16:43] <unixbsd_> have you tried with a new fresh user?
[16:43] <[itchyjunk]> yes
[16:43] <unixbsd_> usueally it is then disk space too low. df -h might help to see /
[16:44] <[itchyjunk]> says i have 90GB space remaining
[16:44] <tomreyn> Monotoko: apt thinks it has information available locally to verify the authenticity of the updated apt repository metadata. but then tries to accessit and it's not actually there. as a result, it fails to authenticate it.
[16:44] <Monotoko> you think it's the "couldn't open.. " tomreyn? I discounted that because if it dies once then works the next time without any changes I was confused
[16:44] <tomreyn> Monotoko: that's my interpretation of those two error messages - it's a guess
[16:44] <Monotoko> Ahhhh... is there a way to force it to always get the data remotely?
[16:45] <Monotoko> it's just doing a simple "apt-get update" (I think that's the command it's failing on)
[16:45] <ioria> [itchyjunk], what's your kernel ? uname -r
[16:45] <leftyfb> [itchyjunk]: please do not listen to anything unixbsd_ suggests. They are not paying attention to any of the troubleshooting we have already done or the actual issue. They're going to make things much worse for you
[16:45] <[itchyjunk]> Hm, i tried installing chromium and running it
[16:45] <unixbsd_> pretty good, 90GB should be your /   (root aread). so basically, tehre is no way that firefox gets corrupted like this, since your new user might prove that it comes from the system itself. I am kinda sure you didnt tweak your system with sudo. interesting thing.
[16:45] <[itchyjunk]> uname -r 5.4.0-66-generic
[16:46] <oerheks> Monotoko, what baffles me; "provides only weak security information"  what is so different in your setup?
[16:46] <unixbsd_> it doesnt come from kernel
[16:46] <ioria> [itchyjunk],  apt -s full-upgrade | nc termbin.com 9999
[16:46] <[itchyjunk]> Chromium seems to run. idk what that means
[16:46] <unixbsd_> does your chromium-browser works? chromium --new-window google.com
[16:46] <Monotoko> oerheks, I know right! We're using the default Amazon VPC... it's going straight to an internet gateway for all traffic and *only* does it a few times a day out of 20-30 builds
[16:46] <unixbsd_> if chromium works, then you are on a clean system.
[16:46] <[itchyjunk]> https://termbin.com/ht4o
[16:46] <[itchyjunk]> my chromium works
[16:47] <unixbsd_> your md5sum is hte very same than the defualt groovy one. so it means that's a very very little thing.
[16:47] <leftyfb> oerheks: ioria: tomreyn: btw, I just updated firefox to the latest version on 18.04 and do not have the issue. I don't think it's with the package itself
[16:47] <tomreyn> Monotoko: the question i'd qnt to solve first is: why is this file missing when it should be in place? and if you expect things to work without errors even when the file is missing, then try to understand what makes apt expect the file to be in place (it's an error, not a warning).
[16:47] <ioria> i see
[16:47] <ioria> [itchyjunk],  export LOGNAME=$USER ; firefox &
[16:47] <leftyfb> ioria: we already tried a new user
[16:48] <unixbsd_> maybe do a check: apt-get install --reinstall iceweasel
[16:48] <Monotoko> tomreyn yeah it's really odd... I'll debug it some more, but it's tripping up on apt-get update which is like, the first thing it should do?
[16:48] <tomreyn> leftyfb: i'd need to read the entire backlog of the chat with [itchyjunk] to comment, which is a bit much currently.
[16:48] <[itchyjunk]> Right, i made a new user and got the same error on that user (Switch user -> new user -> launch ff -> same error)
[16:48] <ioria> [itchyjunk],  the output of this ?    ->export LOGNAME=$USER ; firefox &
[16:49] <Monotoko> if it failed every time... at least I'd know there was something wrong
[16:49] <unixbsd_>  after installation, you might have this:  md5sum /usr/bin/firefox     that gives    [16:49] <leftyfb> tomreyn: we've wipe the profiles, wiped cache, wiped the entire package, wiped any last remnants, tried a different user and a completely different package management system(snap)
[16:49] <[itchyjunk]> export LOGNAME=$USER ; firefox &
[16:49] <[itchyjunk]> [3] 23637 bash: /usr/bin/firefox: No such file or directory
[16:49] <tomreyn> Monotoko: yes, "apt-get update" is the first thing you should do on a system you're trying to keep updated. and hardly anyone runs into this error message when doing so (please do a web search). so something is special in your situation.
[16:49] <[itchyjunk]> "firefox" in terminal no longer works. the snap version of firefox appears in my software though
[16:50] <unixbsd_> if you have also this md5, there is no reason that it doesnt work... strange. on my same machine, firefox works. hmm. I am bit out of ideas.
[16:50] <leftyfb> tomreyn: ioria: here is their strace from running firefox: https://termbin.com/y7n2
[16:50] <unixbsd_> ah just install it: sudo  apt-get install --reinstall iceweasel
[16:50] <ioria> you installed the snap ?
[16:50] <Monotoko> tomreyn Yeah... I'm using the official canonical image, bringing it up in the default network and running apt-get update... essentially... anyway, I guess I'll talk to AWS and see what they say
[16:50] <leftyfb> ioria: we tried that as well, yes. Same issue
[16:51] <Monotoko> cheers for assistance :D
[16:51] <leftyfb> [itchyjunk]: lets remove the snap and go back to the deb package to help with troubleshooting: sudo snap remove --purge firefox ; sudo apt install --reinstall firefox
[16:51] <tomreyn> Monotoko: for better debugging, you can either manually run apt-get with additional options or configure those for all processes to run apt with them
[16:52] <ioria> [itchyjunk],  what about dmesg ? can you upload it ?
[16:52] <Monotoko> I wonder if it's trying too early... does apt need to do something when first starting up
[16:52] <leftyfb> [itchyjunk]: sudo dmesg -T | nc termbin.com 9999
[16:52] <WaV> [itchyjunk]: trying running "snap firefox"
[16:53] <leftyfb> WaV: we're removing the snap and going back to apt. The snap was just a troubleshooting step
[16:53] <ioria> [itchyjunk],  unless your cpu is without sse2 :þ
[16:53] <WaV> ah okay, disregard then [itchyjunk]
[16:53] <oerheks> unixbsd_, please don't mix debian support with ubuntu, and you are ignored in this issue anyway.
[16:53] <tomreyn> Monotoko: apt-secure(8) describes the repository data verification mechanism. apt.conf(5) has a "DEBUG OPTIONS" section with useful options.
[16:53] <[itchyjunk]> https://termbin.com/ksxc for the dmseg
[16:53] <oerheks> icewasel, come on..
[16:53] <Monotoko> cheers tomreyn :D
[16:54] <[itchyjunk]> hmm idk what a sse2 is
[16:54] <Monotoko> gonna go to bed, take care guys
[16:54] <leftyfb> damn that firefox snap is chatty
[16:54] <tomreyn> Monotoko: apt-transport-http(1) has more info on how http downloads work
[16:54] <Monotoko> sorry for stealing your thunder [itchyjunk], hope you get your issue solved
[16:54] <[itchyjunk]> np and thanks.
[16:55] <leftyfb> I have to tap out. [itchyjunk] good luck. I'll be curious what the issue was if it's resolved
[16:55] <ioria> [itchyjunk], yes, remove the snap ver, reinstall the .deb version
[16:56] <[itchyjunk]> thanks for the help leftyfb
[16:56] <[itchyjunk]> i ran the remove snap version command
[16:56] <[itchyjunk]> and install firefox as well.
[16:57] <[itchyjunk]> i can run "firefox" from terminal, i get the same error.
[16:57] <tomreyn> you can run the apt version using    /usr/bin/firefox --debug   to start it in gdb
[16:57] <[itchyjunk]> I tried installing chromium and brave to see if my hardware is the issue. they both seem to run
[16:57] <tomreyn> also use debsums to verify package integrity
[16:57] <tomreyn> (not just for firefox but also for dependencies=
[16:58] <[itchyjunk]> i think i termbined my --debug results earlier
[16:59] <ioria> [itchyjunk],  can you start Thunderbird ?
[16:59] <tomreyn> [itchyjunk]: running it in gdb will make it prompt you, so you can't just termbin this
[16:59] <tomreyn> you'd need to type "r" and press enter to actually start it from the gdb prompt
[17:00] <tomreyn> i.e. here it was waiting for your input https://termbin.com/o9hp
[17:02] <[itchyjunk]> This is the output after i press r :: https://termbin.com/gxl1
[17:02] <tomreyn> [itchyjunk]: it should bhave returned to a prompt after this message, did it?
[17:02] <[itchyjunk]> just typing "thunferbird" says i can install it through snap. not sure if i have thungerbird
[17:03] <[itchyjunk]> yes
[17:03] <ioria> [itchyjunk],  it's installed by default
[17:03] <[itchyjunk]> it gives me (gdb) prompt
[17:04] <tomreyn> [itchyjunk]: type "bt" on the new prompt, then pastebin that, then "bt full", then pastbein that (if you can, it will be a lot of output), then type "q" and confirm that the process will be killed.
[17:04] <ioria> [itchyjunk],  dpkg -l | grep thunderbird
[17:05] <ioria> [itchyjunk],  i ask you this because they have dependencies  in common
[17:06] <[itchyjunk]> https://termbin.com/qjfq
[17:07] <[itchyjunk]> dpkg -l | grep thunderbird
[17:07] <[itchyjunk]> rc  thunderbird                                1:60.8.0+build1-0ubuntu0.18.04.1                 amd64        Email, RSS and newsgroup client with integrated spam filter
[17:08] <ioria> [itchyjunk],  sudo apt install  thunderbird
[17:09] <[itchyjunk]> this is all the way up to pressing q to terminate process
[17:09] <[itchyjunk]> https://termbin.com/hrmb
[17:10] <[itchyjunk]> thunderbird launches
[17:11] <[itchyjunk]> seems to be working fine
[17:11] <[itchyjunk]> Does this mean firefox itself is the issue?
[17:12] <tomreyn> hmm, okay this is a non debug build of firefox.
[17:12] <tomreyn> !ddebs
[17:12] <tomreyn> the issue seems to be with one of firefox's dependencies, the xul library, or something this depdens on
[17:12] <tomreyn> *depends
[17:12] <ioria> [itchyjunk],  start again firefox from terminal and paste 'dmesg | tail  | nc termbin.com 9999'
[17:13] <tomreyn> you can verify the authenticity of installed packages using the debsums utility
[17:13] <[itchyjunk]> hmm not sure how to verify thing
[17:13] <[itchyjunk]> run firefox in on terminal
[17:13] <tomreyn> you can also repeat the --debug run after installing the deebs package to get better debugging output. but this won't fix it as is
[17:14] <[itchyjunk]>  and this command in another?
[17:14] <ioria> it's probably a 32 bit thing
[17:14] <tomreyn> [itchyjunk]: i'm doing some cooking, maybe just work with ioria for a while, i'll bbl
[17:15] <[itchyjunk]> okay
[17:15] <[itchyjunk]> https://termbin.com/wmp5
[17:15] <unixbsd_> on doom3, there is a missing base.so in the deb. it needs to be added.
[17:18] <ioria> [itchyjunk],  is your ram ok ? i mea, preatty old ?
[17:18] <[itchyjunk]> yes old
[17:18] <[itchyjunk]> its a ~12 year or so old laptop
[17:18] <[itchyjunk]> One of the reason why i want to stay with 18.04
[17:19] <ioria> [itchyjunk],  lscpu | nc termbin.com 9999
[17:20] <[itchyjunk]> https://termbin.com/nivw
[17:21] <unixbsd_> the missing base.so is available for ubuntu groovy here: https://gitlab.com/openbsd98324/dhewm3-ubuntu-bugfix
[17:22] <tomreyn> !bug | unixbsd_
[17:22] <tomreyn> posting it here won't result in a fix
[17:23] <sylario> I am trying to resize a system disk of an ubuntu server, but fdisk do not seems to works. df says :
[17:23] <ioria> [itchyjunk],  is that a bare metal or vm install ?
[17:24] <sylario>   /dev/root       5.9G  5.1G  479M  92% /
[17:24] <[itchyjunk]> it's installed on the laptop directly
[17:24] <sylario> but sudo fdisk -l /dev/root print nothing
[17:24] <[itchyjunk]> it's the only os
[17:24] <sylario> and resize2fs return  open: No such file or directory while opening /dev/root
[17:25] <ioria> [itchyjunk], at this point, i suggest you to test it from the Livecd
[17:25] <tomreyn> sylario: to identify what /dev/root is, you can run    sudo file -s /dev/root
[17:25] <sylario> tomreyn: /dev/root: ERROR: cannot open `/dev/root' (No such file or directory)
[17:25] <sylario> after sudo file -s /dev/root
[17:26] <sylario> it's an old VPS running 14.04 that I want to upgrade (not enough disk space yet)
[17:26] <[itchyjunk]> hmm, i guess i could try with a bootable usb or some such
[17:26] <tomreyn> !14.04 | sylario
[17:26] <[itchyjunk]> might have to wait, think i'll have to stick to brave and get some stuff done and try to fix this in my free time
[17:26] <sylario> I cannot upgrade i I do not resize the disk
[17:27] <sylario> I want to upgrade but I need to resize and I cannot resize because weird /dev/root
[17:28] <tomreyn> sylario: ubottu (and I) just meant to make you aware that this system has not been upgraded in time.
[17:29] <tomreyn> sylario: this is probabky a an openvz container or similar container system. you will probably not be able to carry out a release upgrade in a supported way, if so. tunning    cat /proc/{version,cmdline}   can help establish this.
[17:29] <tomreyn> *  *r*unning, not *t*unning ;)
[17:30] <sylario> Linux version 3.10.107-xenU-36-37a7b05-x86_64 (root@jenkinsslave13.sd2.0x35.net) (gcc version 4.9.2 (Debian 4.9.2-10) ) #4 SMP Mon Jul 3 11:16:47 UTC 2017
[17:30] <Deano59> sylario: this is #ubuntu
[17:31] <Deano59> and the distro you're using sylario is from 2017... you need an upgrade bruh.
[17:31] <sylario> This hoster only provide ubuntu, also lsb says 14.04.6
[17:32] <Deano59> end of line, say no more sylario.
[17:32] <Deano59> life*
[17:32] <sylario> I do not understand
[17:32] <Deano59> end of life == no longer "supported"
[17:32] <sylario> I am not allowed to ask help for it here?
[17:32] <blb4393> it's dead, jim
[17:32] <Deano59> dead indeed.
[17:32] <Deano59> lol
[17:33] <Deano59> eol | sylario
[17:33] <Deano59> fail... :D
[17:33] <tomreyn> sylario: this output prooves that this is not an ubuntu system, because the kernel is not default
[17:33] <tomreyn> Deano59: eol was already pointed out, thanks.
[17:33] <Deano59> lol
[17:34] <tomreyn> sylario: so this is porobably a container system, which only your hosting provider can upgrade for you. you can probably not manage the kernel.
[17:34] <tomreyn> sylario: and we really only support proper ubuntu installations here, that is, those including the linux kernel a proper ubuntu installation comes with
[17:35] <oerheks> ask your VPS vendor for a fresh image, maybe in the control panel?
[17:36] <sylario> I can change the kernel on the control panel, and they explicitly encourage to only use ubuntu
[17:36] <tomreyn> this may help making things work for you, but it'll still not be an ubuntu system we can support here, since it will continue running with a different kernel
[17:37] <tomreyn> actually, if it's a xen domain, you may be able to control the kernel image.
[17:37] <sylario> it is xen
[17:37] <tomreyn> ls -la /boot | nc termbin.com 9999
[17:38] <tomreyn> this should return a url which lets us see what you have in the /boot directory
[17:39] <sylario> https://termbin.com/495e
[17:40] <tomreyn> whats the second line of output of this command? you only posted the first line:   cat /proc/{version,cmdline}
[17:41] <sylario> Sorry I only typed cmdline, I thought {} was to indicate I had to input a version number or something
[17:41] <sylario> loglevel=4 root=/dev/xvda1 security=none console=hvc0 nosep
[17:42] <tomreyn> sylario: actually, this is so far beyond what we support here, i think your best bet is to backup and start with a fresh installation of a full HVM Xen (or KVM, or whatever your host may now offer) guest system.
[17:43] <dust> kernel: [   42.816907] audit: type=1400 audit(1614425002.376:81): apparmor="DENIED" operation="open" profile="snap.snap-store.ubuntu-software" name="/etc/PackageKit/Vendor.conf" pid=2308 comm="snap-store" requested_mask="r" denied_mask="r" fsuid=1000 ouid=0
[17:43] <sylario> Ok, i'll extract the redmine then. Thx a lot
[17:43] <tomreyn> sylario: generally, we can only support ubuntu systems installed from official installation images here. try to make this happen fr the new installation, if you can (talk to your host if needed).
[17:44] <tomreyn> good luck
[17:44] <tomreyn> dust: did you have a question?
[17:45] <tomreyn> [itchyjunk]: if you want to continue debugging firefox, i'm with food and happy now.
[17:46] <dust> seems snap updates can cause hangs... kernel: [  194.899329] perf: interrupt took too long (2514 > 2500), lowering kernel.perf_event_max_sample_rate to 79500
[17:49] <nunya> sometimes panel shows program open even though they are closed? Is there a way to restart the panel without logging out? I am running Ubuntu 20.04 with Cinnamon 4.4.8
[17:50] <nunya> I have googled and found solutions to running programs not showing in panel but not the opposite
[17:56] <nunya> Never mind. I think I found the answer. I think it's restarting Cinnamon CRT+ALT+ESCAPE
[17:57] <nunya> I'll give it a try next time panel misreports whats open
[17:58] <tomreyn> nunya: cinnamon is not one of the desktops that are supported by an ubuntu flavour. there is https://ubuntucinnamon.org/ but it's not an official flavour at this time (not yet?) and thus not supported here. but they may have a separate irc channel.
[17:59] <tomreyn> this said, it's also correct that you can install the cinnamon packages from the community maintained "universe" repository on top of ubuntu desktop (or one opf the other supported flavours) - which may or may not work well out of the box.
[18:00] <tomreyn> !flavours
[18:00] <nunya> tomreyn: I din't know my question was Cinnamon related at first. Sorry if I violated some protocol by including Cinnamon in a question.
[18:01] <tomreyn> nunya: you didn't, i'm just trying to explain why you may get less response with this question
[18:04] <nunya> tomreyn: Thanks for directing me to a better place to find the answer but I stumbled upon it googling restart panel. There were some results on restarting various things gdm, gnome-shell ,etc . Restarting Cinnamon was one of them. I tried and it seems to work.
[18:09] <nunya> I will check #cinnamon though now for appearance related things from now on
[18:10] <tomreyn> nunya: i didn't mean to discourage you from asking here, feel free to keep doing so.
[18:12] <nunya> tomreyn: Not offended, actually happy to have found the answer and another irc to find the answers about my system, no worries!
[18:12] <tomreyn> nunya: :) okay, glad you found an answer.
[18:13] <nunya> tomreyn: Text can't reflect tone of voice. I would have put it in all CAPS and left the irc if offended.
[18:14] <nunya> See y'all later!
[18:18] <OrenTanay> I'm trying to get ubuntu20.04, nginx, php-fpm working, but I think I've made a mistake. This is all happening under Win10 WSL2, but the problem is that when I restart WSL, I can no longer get my localhost to come up. I followed the log file error thet mentions the php path is wrong, and find that the /run/php directory is not there at all. Does this sound like a problem anyone is familiar
[18:18] <OrenTanay> with, and can point me to an article that discuses a solution? I'msort of running into a dead end. Thanks.
[18:19] <Deano59> how can I clear spotify cache on ubuntu 20.10?
[18:21] <Deano59> nvm. :D
[18:35] <metbsd> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/3ZHTcYvwhx/
[18:35] <metbsd> i have these two cards, how do i make some certain apps to use that ati carde
[18:35] <metbsd> i mean radeon
[18:39] <tomreyn> metbsd: try this:   for DRI_PRIME_ID in 0 1; do glxinfo | grep '^OpenGL renderer'; done
[18:40] <tomreyn> you'll need "mesa-utils" installed. once it is, is it two lines with same or different output?
[18:40] <metbsd> both saying: OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Intel(R) HD Graphics 3000 (SNB GT2
[18:40] <metbsd> both line
[18:41] <metbsd> same
[18:41] <tomreyn> metbsd: try this:   for DRI_PRIME in 0 1; do export glxinfo | grep '^OpenGL renderer'; done
[18:41] <tomreyn> oops, had a typo there
[18:42] <metbsd> does this mean the radeon card is not loaded?
[18:42] <tomreyn> no. if it still returns the same output it just means my shell scripting skills are lacking
[18:44] <rastan> how do i set dark mode in ubuntu 20.04? google says go to the appearance category in the settings application, but there is no appearance category
[18:44] <tomreyn> metbsd: how about this?   for CARD_ID in 0 1; do export DRI_PRIME=$CARD_ID; glxinfo | grep '^OpenGL renderer'; done; unset DRI_PRIME
[18:45] <metbsd> two cards
[18:46] <tomreyn> so when you run    DRI_PRIME=0 somecommand    then you'll make it use the first card, and with     DRI_PRIME=1 somecommand    you'll make it use the second.
[18:46] <tomreyn> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PRIME#For_open_source_drivers_-_PRIME has some documentation on this
[18:47] <metbsd> but which one i sthe default?
[18:47] <metbsd> if i don't specify this PRIME
[18:47] <metbsd> which card would it use
[18:48] <tomreyn> not specifying DRI_PRIME=0 will probably also make it use the first one, but you can check which one is default using    xrandr --listproviders
[18:48] <tomreyn> the first one listed is what it should default to
[18:50] <tomreyn> if you'd like to generally override the default, such as because you want your computer to consume more power by defaulting to the dedicated graphics card, you can run    xrandr --setprovideroffloadsink 1 0    during x initialization.
[18:51] <metbsd> ok so basically for two cards i install driver for both and use this DRI_prime to tell it which card to use. right?
[18:51] <metbsd> yes but personally i really want to speciby what app to use what card
[18:51] <metbsd> if i want to play 4k i'd prefer that radeon card
[18:52] <metbsd> otherwise i prefer that intel
[18:52] <tomreyn> open source drivers are installed by default, no need to install any. with only open source drivers in use, you can pass the DRI_prime environment variable with the graphics driver ID you wish to use to override the default graphics driver when running a given application.
[18:52] <metbsd> how do i confirm i installed best available drivers for both cards?
[18:52] <metbsd> should i go with open source or close
[18:53] <tomreyn> with intel integrated graphics and amd dedicated graphics, most of the time you'll not want to make any driver changes (unless something doesn't work properly).
[18:54] <metbsd> so my setup looks good now right
[18:54] <metbsd> i'll just stick with dri_prime
[18:56] <tomreyn> there's a proprietary driver overlay by amd which, if you can get it work, and keep it working, may extend the amd's feature set. but we don't support it here, and many who tried to use it have ended up in a sanatorium.
[18:58] <metbsd> does this dri_prime works with nvidia +intel too?
[18:59] <metbsd> another laptop is intel u630 + gt1050
[19:00] <tomreyn> "with only open source drivers in use, you can pass the DRI_prime environment variable with the graphics driver ID you wish to use to override the default graphics driver when running a given application."
[19:02] <tomreyn> there's the nouveau open source driver for nvidia graphics chipsets. for lack of documentation made available by nvidia, and the complexity involved in reverse engineering those drivers, it does not work very well beyond a basic set of features.
[19:03] <Oddyseous> Hey guys I could really use some help, trying to get ZoneMinder installed to run my customer security cameras at work and running into a lot of difficulty
[19:06] <Oddyseous> I'm getting this error trying to install tasksel which is required
[19:06] <Oddyseous> security@security-desktop:~$ sudo apt install tasksel
[19:06] <Oddyseous> Reading package lists... Done
[19:06] <Oddyseous> Building dependency tree
[19:06] <Oddyseous> Reading state information... Done
[19:06] <Oddyseous> Package tasksel is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[19:07] <johnfg> hi folks
[19:07] <johnfg> out of the blue, just now at noon MST, firefox crashed and now it won't restart.
[19:07] <Oddyseous> okay this is what I get trying to install tasksel https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/mJGghRKkTJ/
[19:08] <johnfg> I rebooted the system but it made no difference.
[19:11] <tomreyn> Oddyseous: tasksel is really deprecated, it should not be required. what makes you think it is?
[19:11] <uc50ic4more> johnfg I would try starting it from a terminal to see if any errors are spit out at me; and I would try uninstalling/ reinstalling, barring any sensible actions implied by error messages in terminal.
[19:12] <johnfg> uc50ic4more: Thanks.  I'll try that.
[19:12] <uc50ic4more> Oddyseous is anything returned in the way of exact matches if you try "apt search tasksel"?
[19:13] <TJ-> johnfg: have you tried starting it in -SafeMode or starting wiht -ProfileManager and creating a new clean profile? those might point to a problem with your current profile
[19:13] <johnfg> ExceptionHandler::GenerateDump cloned child 3321
[19:13] <johnfg> ExceptionHandler::SendContinueSignalToChild sent continue signal to child
[19:14] <johnfg> ExceptionHandler::WaitForContinueSignal waiting for continue signal...
[19:14] <tomreyn> johnfg: which ubuntu release are you running, which firefox package version is installed?
[19:14] <johnfg> that's all the feedback from starting it at the terminal.
[19:14] <johnfg> Latest, all updates.
[19:15] <johnfg> firefox/focal-updates,focal-security,now 86.0+build3-0ubuntu0.20.04.1 amd64 [installed,automatic]
[19:16] <uc50ic4more> johnfg I Google the error message. Some of the replies to others who are experiencing this issue are also suggesting creating a new profile. Ugh. If you go that route AND have synced your data through Firefox I suppose creating a new profile, re-signing in to Firefox Sync shouldn't mess up your day too terribly. :)
[19:17] <uc50ic4more> johnfg it seems that you would have also updated to Firefox 86 very recently. A few people with this error message had reported that the trouble began immediately after updating.
[19:17] <johnfg> Was there a recent update that I missed?  Especially weird that it just seemed to randomly crash!
[19:17] <uc50ic4more> johnfg I wonder if downgrading (back to) version 85.x might fix you up
[19:18] <uc50ic4more> johnfg I just got v 86 today on the three desktops in my household
[19:18] <johnfg> uc50ic4more: I was just gonna ask you about that.  How do I downgrade?
[19:19] <tomreyn> johnfg: can yuo share, ona pastebin, the output produced by:    lsb_release -ds; cat /proc/{version,cmdline}; apt-cache policy firefox
[19:19] <Oddyseous> uc50ic4more nothing returned
[19:19] <johnfg> tomreyn: Absolutely.
[19:19] <Oddyseous> All I am trying to do is install Zoneminder, which required Lamp, which seems to require tasksel
[19:20] <Oddyseous> tomreyn
[19:20] <uc50ic4more> johnfg I usually use Synaptic and use the "Force Version" option but using apt you could do "sudo apt install firefox=THE_VERSION_YOU_WANT"... let me check exactly what is there in teh way of 85.x
[19:21] <johnfg> lsb_release -ds; cat /proc/{version,cmdline}; apt-cache policy firefox
[19:21] <tomreyn> Oddyseous: sudo apt install lamp-server^
[19:21] <johnfg> This should be it, but I can't check it like I usually would. https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ttRGpdvrSZ/
[19:22] <Oddyseous> tomreyn E: Unable to locate package lamp-server
[19:22] <tomreyn> johnfg: you only posted the output of the last of three commands
[19:22] <uc50ic4more> Oddyseous you can install a LAMP server stack without tasksel; tasksel just made it a simpler command.
[19:22] <tomreyn> Oddyseous: you missed the trailing ^character
[19:22] <johnfg> tomreyn: the others will come shortly...
[19:23] <TJ-> johnfg: did you try -SafeMode or -ProfileManager yet?
[19:23] <johnfg> 1st: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/HSnVnbCX3M/
[19:23] <uc50ic4more> tomreyn lamp-server is a tasksel meta-package and won't work unless and until tasksel is installed, which is our trouble
[19:24] <Oddyseous> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/7pm2Vgr5S3/
[19:24] <johnfg> 2nd: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Gj3q6r88c2/
[19:24] <tomreyn> uc50ic4more: apt will handle it fine if used with the trailing "^" to indicate this is a task, not a package.
[19:25] <Oddyseous> so how do I type it exactly?
[19:25] <tomreyn> but Oddyseous keeps missing the ^character
 Oddyseous: sudo apt install lamp-server^
[19:25] <uc50ic4more> Oddyseous it'd be trivially simple too to just sudo apt install apache2 mysql-server php libapache2-mod-php php-mysql . This will get you the basics in the pay of PHP modules and likely replicates a lamp-server tasksel install
[19:26] <uc50ic4more> tomreyn Oddyseous cannot install tasksel in order to issue the command to install lamp-server^
[19:26] <tomreyn> uc50ic4more: are you saying that apt cannot interpret "lamp-server^" if the "tasksel" binary is not installed?
[19:27] <Oddyseous> any idea why i'm not able to install tasksel?
[19:28] <Oddyseous> running Ubuntu 20.10 desktop on the Raspberry PI4
[19:28] <johnfg> firefox -SafeMode didn't work; same errors.
[19:28] <tomreyn> Oddyseous: have you already tried ignoring "tasksel" and just running the command i provided?
[19:29] <Oddyseous> yes it can't install lamp
[19:29] <johnfg> The same error with ProfileManager
[19:29] <TJ-> johnfg: great - that narrows it down a lot
[19:29] <tomreyn> Oddyseous: just in case, here it is again, please type it exactly as given:   sudo apt install lamp-server^
[19:29] <tomreyn> Oddyseous: what's the output (on a pastebin) when yourun this command?
[19:29] <johnfg> Do you think that I should downgrade?
[19:30] <Oddyseous> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Zg2XJ93bBh/
[19:30] <TJ-> johnfg: now try this "strace -f -o /tmp/firefox-strace.log firefox" and then send us the log with "pastebinit /tmp/firefox-strace.log"
[19:30] <tomreyn> Oddyseous: okay, i have to apologize then, apparently this task no longer exists on Ubuntu 20.10.
[19:30] <Oddyseous> no worries
[19:30] <Oddyseous> what now
[19:31] <johnfg> pastebinit /tmp/firefox-strace.log
[19:32] <johnfg> oops
[19:32] <tomreyn> Oddyseous: in case it helps, this is what would happen on Ubuntu 18.04 LTS if you were to run the command I provided: https://termbin.com/6zss
[19:32] <tomreyn> Oddyseous: you can also see the packages it would install
[19:35] <tomreyn> TJ-: hi. if you'll scroll up on the IRC log you'll see a user named [itchyjunk] reporting that firefox no longer starts on their 18.04 LTS system.
[19:36] <tomreyn> they also provided an strace
[19:36] <TJ-> tomreyn: yes I saw that earlier
[19:36] <tomreyn> ok
[19:37] <tomreyn> we didn't finish on the gdb route, and i don't think it was clear whether they were on x86_64 or i686
[19:37] <johnfg> Failed to contact the server: HTTP Error 502: Bad Gateway; when I run the pastebinit.
[19:38] <TJ-> johnfg: oh no, trust Ubuntu's servers to misbehave right now!
[19:38] <tomreyn> johnfg: hmm, maybe it's just too long, or the pastebinit in your ubuntu version is broken. you can try this instead: cat /tmp/firefox-strace.log | nc termbin.com 9999
[19:38] <johnfg> tomreyn: I want to make sure that I'm understanding your references: they were in regards to the firefox problem?
[19:38] <johnfg> tomreyn: It worked for what I piped to it earlier.
[19:39] <tomreyn> johnfg: "yes" to your question.
[19:39] <johnfg> cat /tmp/firefox-strace.log | nc termbin.com 9999
[19:39] <johnfg> https://termbin.com/tlb1
[19:39] <johnfg> Oops again.  My mouse is misbehaving (operator error)
[19:39] <tomreyn> yes, that's cut off at the end, probably too long.
[19:40] <johnfg> Any ideas from the earlier problems and strace you saw?
[19:40] <tomreyn> no, i didn't really read the other strace, and we didn't get to going through gdb
[19:41] <tomreyn> if you have some cloud hosting, you could gzip the strace file, then upload it there.
[19:41] <tomreyn> to read the past chat, you can look it up on the logs
[19:41] <tomreyn> !irclogs
[19:46] <TJ-> johnfg: tomreyn  I see in strace a lot of checking/accessing python 3.8 ... and 20.04 had libpython3.8 upgrades on 27th
[19:47] <Oddyseous> sorry I had a customer walk in
[19:47] <Oddyseous> So what do I do? I'm confused
[19:48] <Oddyseous> can't install tasksel, lamp or php7 or anything related
[19:48] <Oddyseous> just trying to get Zoneminder installed
[19:49] <summonner> Oddyseous, you want to install the lamp stack?  sudo tasksel install lamp-server
[19:49] <tomreyn> Oddyseous: have you tried   sudo apt update && sudo apt install zoneminder
[19:50] <summonner> if you don't have tasksel,   sudo apt install tasksel
[19:51] <Oddyseous> I'm trying to install zoneminder
[19:51] <Oddyseous> it requires lamp and tasksel
[19:51] <Oddyseous> sudo apt install tasksel odesn't work
[19:51] <Oddyseous> doesn't*
[19:51] <TJ-> johnfg: what does this show us? "pastebinit <( namei -l /dev/shm/* )"
[19:52] <johnfg> TJ-: one sec...
[19:52] <johnfg> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/dq4ZyBhHsC/
[19:52] <Oddyseous> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/qkNhGMFvh5/
[19:53] <Oddyseous> I tried building from source but I have the same problem trying to install devscripts which is required
[19:54] <TJ-> johnfg: thanks; that rules out a problem with restricted access to shared memory device
[19:54] <johnfg> I was just in the process of uploading my website to an offsite server :-(
[19:55] <tomreyn> Oddyseous: in case you missed this:   <tomreyn> Oddyseous: have you tried   sudo apt update && sudo apt install zoneminder
[19:57] <Oddyseous> tomreyn https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/gt5Rr4gk63/
[19:57] <johnfg> Interesting, my debian server, latest, all updates, has firefox 78.7.0esr.
[19:57] <johnfg> Think I should downgrade?
[19:58] <Oddyseous> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/BSys3mhJWG/
[19:58] <Oddyseous> tomreyn
[19:58] <tomreyn> Oddyseous: your apt configuration is broken, which is why you cannot install tasksel (but i continue to think you don't need / want to) nor zoneminder.
[19:59] <Oddyseous> but Zoneminder seems to be the best program to run my security cameras
[19:59] <Oddyseous> is there something else you would recommend?
[19:59] <Oddyseous> and how do I fix apt
[19:59] <tomreyn> Oddyseous: solve the problems you have introduced by adding unsupported third party repositories, then install zoneminder from ubuntu rpeositories as i suggested.
[20:00] <tomreyn> the configuration errors breaking apt are discussed starting lines 168 of your output at https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/gt5Rr4gk63/
[20:01] <tomreyn> the easiest way forward is probably to disable the unuable third party repositories listed there
[20:02] <tomreyn> you definitely should not mix apt repositories meant for different ubuntu releases, as you did here
[20:03] <tomreyn> "xUbuntu_16.04" probably refers to Ubuntu 16.04, "precise" refers to Ubuntu 12.04 (an Ubuntu release which has been unsupported for many years now).
[20:04] <tomreyn> "trusty" refers to Ubuntu 14.04
[20:07] <Oddyseous> okay I fixed my sources
[20:07] <Oddyseous> those got in there following online posts trying to fix my issue
[20:07] <Oddyseous> what now?
[20:08] <Oddyseous> I ran sudo apt-get update
[20:08] <Oddyseous> still unable to install via sudo apt-get install zoneminder
[20:10] <TJ-> johnfg: I cannot see any obvious clues in the strace
[20:12] <TJ-> johnfg: please try this: " GTK_IM_MODULE=gtk-im-context-simple firefox "
[20:13] <Oddyseous> hold on installing zoneminder now
[20:14] <johnfg> TJ-: Same errors.
[20:14] <TJ-> johnfg: thanks - we're reducing the possible problem space by checking for known causes of these early crashes
[20:15] <johnfg> Do you know if the previous person on reporting the problem, did he file a bug report?
[20:15] <TJ-> johnfg: I don't know
[20:15] <johnfg> TJ-: Thanks for helping.  I'm working on the website transfer from my office server.
[20:15] <tomreyn> Oddyseous: you may have a lot of pending updates as a result of the broken apt configuration. you should install those soon:   sudo apt full-upgrade
[20:17] <tomreyn> Oddyseous: when something does not work, to get help with it here, try not to say just "does not work", but provide auxiliary information, such as full output from running something on the terminal, as well as the exact command you ran. ideally on a pastebin.
[20:18] <Oddyseous> I've been posting the results with paste man
[20:18] <Oddyseous> Oh I see what you are talking about
[20:18] <Oddyseous> Okay let me rephrase
[20:18] <Oddyseous> Same issue as previously pasted
[20:19] <Oddyseous> issue unchanged
[20:19] <Oddyseous> is what i meant
[20:20] <tomreyn> Oddyseous: if you're saying that the output from running the command given at https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/gt5Rr4gk63/ remains *exactly* the same as given there, then (a) that is highly unlikely to be correct and (b) probably means that the apt configuration is not yet fixed.
[20:23] <johnfg> do the devs, or powers that be monitor this channel?
[20:23] <johnfg> Any other ideas for me to try?
[20:23] <tomreyn> johnfg: you could report a bug
[20:23] <tomreyn> !bug | johnfg
[20:24] <tomreyn> you could also try the gdb approach (after installing debug symbols) I had discussed with the other person whose firefox would not start
[20:24] <tomreyn> i.e.   firefox --debug    etc
[20:26] <tomreyn> but starting with the bug report is probably a good idea
[20:29] <tomreyn> *possibly* related bug 1917147
[20:31] <thyriaen> how can i check which ubuntu version i have ?
[20:31] <tomreyn> lsb_release -ds
[20:31] <tomreyn> in a terminal
[20:31] <thyriaen> ty
[20:31] <thyriaen> uname can't do it ?
[20:32] <tomreyn> no
[20:32] <tomreyn> for a GUI approach, use Settings -> Details -> About
[20:35] <thyriaen> screw the gui xD
[20:49] <johnfg> bug report filed
[20:50] <f_ayx> hello
[20:54] <tomreyn> hi f_ayx
[21:00] <tomreyn> johnfg: can't seem to find it, got a bug id?
[21:01] <johnfg> I did not, but I'm guessing, even though a dialog box said it was done, it tried to start firefox, which, of course, refused to start.
[21:04] <tomreyn> johnfg: ah, maybe you used the mozilla crash reporter then, which reports crashes to mozilla. or the ubuntu crash reporter, which reports application crashes to ubuntu, but does not file bug reports.
[21:04] <tomreyn> !bug
[21:06] <johnfg> Failed to open curl lib from binary, use libcurl.so instead
[21:08] <johnfg> After running 'ubuntu-bug firefox', it collected some info, then the dialog box popped up about firefox crashing, then the line that I pasted just above.
[21:08] <tomreyn> if firefox is your default browser, then ubuntu-bug will probably fail to report a bug through it
[21:08] <tomreyn> johnfg: if you're happy to share your ubuntu installations' unique crash reporter ID (  sudo cat /var/lib/whoopsie/whoopsie-id   ) with me (feel free to PM), i can check whether an ubuntu crash was reported.
[21:13] <johnfg> brb.  got some other issues.
[21:15] <f_ayx> Could use some help with a question i hope i in the right room for that
[21:15] <tomreyn> f_ayx: if it's about ubuntu support, then this is the (a) right place.
[21:17] <f_ayx> new to Ubuntu and running 20.04... I just noticed that my hostname on my terminal application has changed even though when I do 'hostname' i get the right one that've initially set? how can I resolve this?
[21:21] <tomreyn> f_ayx: is this Ubuntu Desktop or Server? How did you install?
[21:22] <tomreyn> also, is this running in a VM / VPS of sorts?
[21:22] <f_ayx> Desktop, no VM / VPS (?)
[21:23] <f_ayx> running both 'hostname' and 'hostnamectl' return the correct name I set when I installed my ubuntu
[21:24] <tomreyn> f_ayx: and the value you see on the terminal prompt between the @ and : is something generic, or something else that you know?
[21:24] <f_ayx> just downloaded the package from Ubuntu website and installed as dual-boot on my laptop
[21:26] <tomreyn> f_ayx: see above (you may have missed my latest question). also, do     hostnamectl status --static    and    hostnamectl status --transient    report the same?
[21:26] <f_ayx> i've installed ohmyzsh so my prompt is "hh:mm:ss as username on hostname in ~"
[21:27] <tomreyn> does it work fine in a bash shell?
[21:28] <f_ayx> both command above return the right hostname
[21:28] <oerheks> so you wonder what ohmyzsh does?
[21:28] <f_ayx> how do I go back to the bash shell as I am running ohmyzsh
[21:29] <tomreyn> try running "bash"
[21:30] <f_ayx> with bash my prompt name show the correct hostname i.e. user@hostname:
[21:30] <oerheks> If you want to uninstall oh-my-zsh, just run .... https://github.com/ohmyzsh/ohmyzsh
[21:30] <metbsd> so i installed nvidia driver and now the intel graphic card is gone
[21:31] <metbsd> whatever i set DRI_PRIME to, its always nvidia card now
 [..] with only open source drivers in use, you can pass the DRI_prime environment variable with the graphics driver ID you wish to use to override the default graphics driver when running a given application.
[21:32] <tomreyn> "nvidia" is not an open source driver
[21:33] <tomreyn> the 'nvidia-settings' application may let you switch between your graphics cards.
[21:33] <metbsd> so i cannot use that dri_prime trick anymore?
[21:34] <tomreyn> correct
[21:34] <metbsd> oh shoot
[21:35] <metbsd> i want that dri prime trick and latest nvidia driver please
[21:36] <metbsd> do i remove this nvidia driver or what
[21:36] <metbsd> i mean the nvidia-driver 460
[21:37] <tomreyn> does switching not work using the nvidia-settings application then?
[21:37] <metbsd> i didn't know that installaion of nvidia driver could disable the other
[21:39] <johnfg> tomreyn: How do I PM you?  It has been so long since I've PM'd anyone.
[21:40] <metbsd> ok it works, glxinfo shows intel card after reboot
[21:41] <metbsd> but how do i make some apps to use nvidia card?
[21:41] <tomreyn> johnfg: /query tomreyn
[21:44] <tomreyn> metbsd: unless whitelisted, i only receive a notification that users have messaged me. do you have a concrete need to send me private messages currently?
[21:45] <metbsd> no just this problem, i thought you wanted me to /query you
[21:46] <tomreyn> metbsd: no, thanks, this was just to johnfg (so i prefixed my message by "johnfg:").
[21:46] <metbsd> i thought you send to the wrong nick name
[21:46] <metbsd> anyway
[21:46] <metbsd> do i uninstall that nvidia-driver-460?
[21:46] <metbsd> it doesn't seem to work
[21:48] <tomreyn> metbsd: this should work for switching from a terminal when running the proprietary "nvidia" driver: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PRIME#PRIME_render_offload
[21:48] <johnfg> When I ran ubuntu-bug, it failed with a message about the curl lib.  Did anyone see when I pasted this?
[21:49] <tomreyn> johnfg: i did, you wrote    <johnfg> Failed to open curl lib from binary, use libcurl.so instead
[21:49] <f_ayx> think i found the source of my issue https://github.com/conda/conda/issues/7031, someone pointed me to it though it appear it still an open issue with no resolution
[21:51] <oerheks> f_ayx, good find
[21:56] <tomreyn> !irclog | johnfg
[21:56] <johnfg> tomreyn: Since that msg was from ubuntu-bug, how would I resolve the problem?
[21:56] <tomreyn> !log | johnfg
[21:58] <oerheks> johnfg, you said you filed a bugreport?
[21:59] <tomreyn> johnfg: i'm not sure, i haven't seen this message before in this context. but as you won't be able to start firefox anyways (which ubuntu-bug would do at some point) you will probably need to manually file the bug (as explained above) and then submit the system details using apport-collect (see above / the IRC logs) instead.
[22:00] <tomreyn> oerheks: johnfg and i talked about this later and it seemed like john rather ran into the mozilla crash reporter
[22:04] <johnfg> Anyway to get around the problem with ubuntu-bug?
[22:08] <metbsd> ubuntu nvidia-prime package don't seem to have prime-run command
[22:08] <metbsd> i uninstalled nvidia-driver
[22:08] <metbsd> and now i got two cards again
[22:11] <tomreyn> johnfg: go to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+filebug in a web browser that works, login (or register if you have no account, yet) and file a bug manually. then run    apport-collect BUGID   on the affected computer, replacing BUGID by the numeric ID of the bug you reported (as seen on the URL).
[22:15] <metbsd> is there official documentation about dual card setting in ubuntu
[22:16] <metbsd> i dont think there is
[22:16] <tomreyn> btw. i just tried to reproduce the firefox problem in a VM, by installing ubuntu 20.04.2, then installing the pending updates, which included firefox, then rebooting. but i could not reproduce it. i'm just saying this to point out that it's not easily reproduced, not that the issue doesn't exist.
[22:17] <tomreyn> metbsd: if there is, you'll find it on https://help.ubuntu.com/
[22:18] <metbsd> there is not
[22:18] <metbsd> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HybridGraphics
[22:20] <metbsd> looks like ubuntu document is not as good as arch
[22:38] <naftilos76> Hi i have a vps with ubuntu 16.04 lts and am facing an issue with some latency in a ruby multithreaded process. The latency gets progresively worse and worse until it gets out of hand. It starts at 50-100ms and reaches after a couple of hours 1sec and keeps rising until it gets unusable. I know i have to provide more info but as a first impression would a real time kernel make any difference inside my vps which is a virtual machine? Any experience
[22:38] <naftilos76> with that kind of thing?
[22:39] <leftyfb> naftilos76: sounds like a leak in the ruby application
[22:39] <naftilos76> leftyfb: what kind of leak? memory leak?
[22:39] <naftilos76> what are you referring to?
[22:40] <leftyfb> naftilos76: don't know. But it sounds like an application issue, not an OS issue
[22:40] <naftilos76> would a RT kernel make any difference?
[22:40] <naftilos76> given that it is not a app issue?
[22:40] <naftilos76> what do you think?
[22:42] <tomreyn> unlikely in virtualization, unless that is badly done.
[22:42] <leftyfb> naftilos76: I think it's an app issue that a RT kernel isn't going to fix
[22:42] <tomreyn> maybe an ubuntu (and with it, ruby) release upgrade would come in handy?
[22:43] <tomreyn> after all, you have about 1.5 months of support left
[22:43] <tomreyn> (other than !ESM, that is)
[22:43] <naftilos76> tomreyn: i am already using the latest ruby 3.0 . it is definitely not a mem leak since the allocated mem i see makes sence. Maybe something with ruby itself
[22:44] <naftilos76> anyway thanks
[22:45] <tomreyn> 16.04 LTS comes with ruby 2.3
[22:45] <helmut> hi. which channel is for discussing casper issues?
[22:45] <leftyfb> helmut: in what context?
[22:45] <naftilos76> tomreyn: i am using rvm to install the ruby of my preference
[22:46] <helmut> leftyfb: pxe booting an oem install and casper doesn't grok my preseed parameter
[22:46] <tomreyn> naftilos76: okay, we won't be able to support this ruby variant here.
[22:46] <naftilos76> tomreyn: no worries thanks
[22:48] <helmut> leftyfb: I don't quite understand how I can specify the location of the install media and the location of the preseed file. both are supposed to be url=, but that doesn't make sense
[22:49] <leftyfb> helmut: what version of ubuntu are you trying to run the installer from over pxe?
[22:49] <helmut> kubuntu 20.04
[22:50] <helmut> related: https://bugs.launchpad.net/casper/+bug/1849684
[22:51] <leftyfb> helmut: https://butwt.wordpress.com/2020/06/29/pxe-booting-ubuntu-20-04-installer/
[22:52] <helmut> leftyfb: what I do is very close. is ds= or s= explained anywhere?
[22:57] <helmut> https://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/topics/datasources/nocloud.html
[23:00] <tomreyn> autoinstall replaces preseed, cloudinit is 'new', and i *think* both are Ubuntu Server (and probably Ubuntu Core) only?
[23:02] <||arifaX> Hi, quick question. Does latest Ubuntu work well on a Macbook a1502 especially multi-monitor support via mini-display-port (need to add 2 monitors) and is there a kind of table what to expect to work and what not?
[23:03] <helmut> leftyfb: the cloudinit parameters do not seem to have any effect here
[23:04] <tomreyn> helmut: i don't know whether this would help you with the desktop Oem install use case, but here's how to automate ubuntu server (-live) installations nowadays https://ubuntu.com/server/docs/install/autoinstall-quickstart
[23:06] <helmut> tomreyn: I think I read that multiple times as well, but the desktop image doesn't seem to create cloudinit, which provides the relevant ds= parameter
[23:06] <tomreyn> this is my assumption, too
[23:09] <tomreyn> https://itectec.com/ubuntu/ubuntu-how-to-preseed-ubuntu-20-04-desktop/ may be related
[23:17] <tomreyn> ||arifaX: try it with a live cd / usb
[23:18] <tomreyn> https://everymac.com/ultimate-mac-lookup/?search_keywords=a1502 would help you identify your specific model.
[23:21] <||arifaX> tomreyn: actually great idea. I could have thought of this myself. It is for a friend. Will do that.
[23:28] <||arifaX> tomreyn: thanks. He has the https://everymac.com/systems/apple/macbook_pro/specs/macbook-pro-core-i5-2.6-13-mid-2014-retina-display-specs.html
[23:31] <redbeard83> hi, after installing ubuntu and reboot I get only a message: grub. I can't do anything. I've been trying to fix this for hours
[23:32] <Betal> I have 2 disks, diskA and diskB, both gpt with efi partitions, both efi have grub, diskA with grub from ubuntu install and diskB by using grub-install, I made a /efi to mount diskB-efi and be able to grub-install and to have both efi mounted, I noticed that grub config file inside both efi are the same. Ubuntu is installed with lvm in diskA with its swap-lv. grub from diskA can boot and show the
[23:33] <Betal> menus. grub from diskB go to grub shell, but iam able to boot setting 'root=(lvm..', 'linux', 'initrd' and 'boot'. What iam missing to be able to boot to ubuntu from diskB? Or the ubuntu-vg/root NEED to be in diskB to works?
[23:33] <tomreyn> ||arifaX: i still won't know whether it'll work, i'm afraid, just because i don't have mac experience, but at least you know some more hardware details now. :-) you could also ask generic linux questions in ##linux - which has a different and larger audience.
[23:33] <||arifaX> tomreyn: I see
[23:33] <tomreyn> redbeard83: which ubuntu did you install, and how. what was the .iso filename?
[23:34] <tomreyn> and what's the hardware you've installed it to?
[23:34] <redbeard83> ubuntu 20.10
[23:35] <redbeard83> tomreyn: ubuntu-20.10-desktop-amd64
[23:35] <tomreyn> redbeard83: alright, that's specific wenough for what you installed. now for the hardware?
[23:37] <redbeard83> i5 6400. 8gb, ssd 240 gb, hdd 1tb, nvidia gtx 1650
[23:38] <tomreyn> redbeard83: press escape during early boot to bring up the grub menu, then select failsafe graphics
[23:39] <tomreyn> if it boots this way, install all pending updates and reboot
[23:41] <redbeard83> tomreyn: ok, thanks, I will try that and I come back