 @Anghirrim [By the way, recently reinstalled Ubuntu touch on my Oneplus 3, but I did not fin …], I haven't even managed to get libertine working. Apparently makedev fucks up the install but I tried editing a .py to remove makedev - saw it on github as a solution, but nope..
 @Anghirrim [BUt still need Anbox anyway for Whatsapp], fwiw, whatsapp on anbox won't have notifications nor camera support, perhaps not even mic support, likely also no way to attach files but i could be wrong on the last 2
 @saligari [I haven't even managed to get libertine working. Apparently makedev fucks up the …], hi so what did you try for libertine?
 @dohbee [where is the source?], https://github.com/JingOS-team
 add self.run_in_container('apt remove -y makedev') to line 86 of /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/libertine/ChrootContainer.py fixed libertine container creation for me. This basically just gets rid of makedev once debootstrap finishes
 @Fuseteam [hi so what did you try for libertine?], https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/issues/1305
 I tried the last one from this thread, but I havent read the whole thing, maybe something that I missed will work
 Adding "self.run_in_container('apt remove -y makedev') to line 86 of /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/libertine/ChrootContainer.py"
 .... eh?
 not sure if this will work but perhaps try `sudo ubports-qa install libertine 104`
 might be worth to wait a bit tho 🤔
 Interesting Q&A today.
 indeed hehe
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 I'm having trouble installing Ubuntu touch, it is this error "Mkdir /root/.cache: permission denied" could someone help me?
[03:01] <ubptgbot> <Commander Revan> anyone here had any luch uninstalling ub ports from a nexus 5 to go to a custom rom eg Lineage Os?
 @o_efemero [I'm having trouble installing Ubuntu touch, it is this error "Mkdir /root/.cache …], Don't run the ubports installer wiht `sudo`
 @UniversalSuperBox [Don't run the ubports installer wiht sudo], Mine is a Port of moto G2 (Titan)
 Thanks
 @Fuseteam [hi sadly only those who own that device can bring support to it], very sad for a good value phone as asus zenphone.
 @UniversalSuperBox [Don't run the ubports installer wiht sudo], "failed to enter recovery" appeared here but he opened the recovery, what should I do?
 @madmyth [very sad for a good value phone as asus zenphone.], There's nothing sad about it - this is a community driven effort - so if someone that owns it wants to step up and port it, then they will be supported in their efforts.  But the core UBports developing team focuses exactly on that - developing the core of the OS.  Anyway in
[03:47] <ubptgbot> fo on porting is at http://docs.halium.org/en/latest/porting/first-steps.html … and … http://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/porting/Intro.html … Also http://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/porting/halium_9/Halium_9_GSI_porting.html
 @TotalSonic have you tested any bluetooth devices on your volla
 @mateosalta [@TotalSonic have you tested any bluetooth devices on your volla], Only the iClever keyboards so far - the BK-08 and BK-05 work great with it.  I will test a bluetooth speaker and headphones when I get the chance.  I also have a LG G Watch R on order that should be here soon, I am going to put Asteroid OS on it and see how
[03:50] <ubptgbot> well it syncs with the Volla via the Telescope app.
 ok, when you do have a speaker/headphones, can you test something for me
 pair, and connect with them - turn off bluetooth turn off the device. turn on bluetooth, turn on the device. note if the device auto connects without clicking on it in bluetooth settings
 @mateosalta [pair, and connect with them - turn off bluetooth turn off the device. turn on bl …], Sure - I can try that.  Might need to message you to have you refresh these steps to me, as it will likely be some days before I get around to this.
 if it doesn't work for that, I think i found a fix ;)
 if i remember correctly I always had to go into bluetooth settings on other ut phones too
 @mateosalta [if it doesn't work for that, I think i found a fix ;)], cool. will test this out when I can.
 nice
 @madmyth [very sad for a good value phone as asus zenphone.], if you want you get take a shot at porting it, some porters like tygerpro started with zero experience in porting xD
 @madmyth [very sad for a good value phone as asus zenphone.], [Edit] There's nothing sad about it - this is a community driven effort - so if someone that owns it wants to step up and port it, then they will be supported in their efforts.  But the core UBports developing team focuses exactly on that - developing the core of the OS, and
[04:22] <ubptgbot>  does not have the ability to port every device requested, especially when they might not own it at all themselves.  Anyway info on porting is at http://docs.halium.org/en/latest/porting/first-steps.html … and … http://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/porting/Intro.html … Also http://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/porting/halium_9/Halium_9_GSI_porting.html
[06:33] <ubptgbot> <Benni S> Hi, is there any advantage to donating in € via librepay?
[06:33] <ubptgbot> <Benni S> [Edit] Hi, is there any advantage to donating in € (compared to other currencies) via librepay?
[06:36] <ubptgbot> <Benni S> i.e. costs for currency conversion
 @madmyth [very sad for a good value phone as asus zenphone.], I have 7 or 8 phones here on my table, most of which I bought myself, to help porting and QA. Remember this is not an Android ROM so working on getting it ported is much more work than just building it. And even LineageOS does not support every possible Android phone on the pla
[08:21] <ubptgbot> net. There are simply too much
 @Fuseteam [hi sadly only those who own that device can bring support to it], Maybe galaxy tab a sm-t355?
[08:36] <ubptgbot> Awanatoca was added by: Awanatoca
 @Fuseteam [fwiw, whatsapp on anbox won't have notifications nor camera support, perhaps not …], This is not a big deal. I just want to be able to read messages. Worst case, there is still WhatsApp Web version for that.
[09:24] <ubptgbot> Supermanhans was added by: Supermanhans
 Speaking just now to Rudi Timmermans, the author of the Sailbook UT Facebook client, he stated that he is aware of the problems with the app for the OTA-16 RC, but that he is just going to remove it from the OpenStore, and recommends everyone use the Pesbuk app instead, which does work well with OTA-16 RC.
[09:45] <talmid> is it possible to install/compile command line tools for Ubuntu Touch? I would like to compile baresip and build a simple GUI around it
 @talmid [is it possible to install/compile command line tools for Ubuntu Touch? I would l …], You can install command line tools into a Libertine container.  They just need to be built for Ubuntu 16.04 deb (either armhf or arm64 depending on your device) in order to be installed that way.
 @talmid [is it possible to install/compile command line tools for Ubuntu Touch? I would l …], [Edit] You can install command line tools into a Libertine container.  They just need to be built for Ubuntu 16.04 deb (either armhf or arm64 depending on your device) in order to be installed that way, if they are not already in the default r
[09:50] <ubptgbot> epositories.
[09:50] <ubptgbot> <Talmid Levi> I see, I try it out, thank you
 (Photo, 1080x2340) https://irc.ubports.com/Iq0K49SJ.png
 Screenfetch running on the Volla phone
[10:10] <ubptgbot> <Talmid Levi> how do you chroot into libertine?
[10:10] <ubptgbot> <Talmid Levi> *libertine container
 @Flohack [I have 7 or 8 phones here on my table, most of which I bought myself, to help po …], is it possible to do daul boot on android phone with normal ubuntu desktop version ?
 @madmyth [is it possible to do daul boot on android phone with normal ubuntu desktop versi …], No, it is not
 thank you , your speaker are nice 🤪
 @madmyth [thank you , your speaker are nice 🤪], Your welcome, and glad you like them :)  There used to be an "Ubuntu on Android" project - but this was abandoned by Canonical.  And the Samsung DeX project kind of tries to do something similar.  But all of those things are off topic of this group - this group focuses only on Ubuntu Tou
[10:46] <ubptgbot> ch, which currently does not support dual booting
 @madmyth [thank you , your speaker are nice 🤪], [Edit] You're welcome, and glad you like them :)  There used to be an "Ubuntu on Android" project - but this was abandoned by Canonical.  And the Samsung DeX project kind of tries to do something similar.  But all of those things are off topic of this group - this group focuses only on U
[10:46] <ubptgbot> buntu Touch, which currently does not support dual booting
[11:38] <ubptgbot> <Talmid Levi> does UT use alsa as audio devices?
 Why don't we built an emulator in ubuntu touch for android apps(much like wine). Also run android apps in isolation. So they don't steal photos, contacts, location
 @arplusplus [Why don't we built an emulator in ubuntu touch for android apps(much like wine). …], That is what Anbox is.  It is in an alpha stage though.
 Pretty much every android app nowadays is a privacy disaster
 @TotalSonic [That is what Anbox is.  It is in an alpha stage though.], Ohh thanykyou I'll look into it
 @Talmid Levi [does UT use alsa as audio devices?], Good question - I believe it is using pulse audio and gstreamer - but I am not sure.
 Ohh can I build an app on ubuntu touch that accesses mic driver using pulse audio?
 @arplusplus [Pretty much every android app nowadays is a privacy disaster], https://anbox.io/
 Thanks ⚡ ❤️
 @TotalSonic [https://anbox.io/], I'm using OnePlus 8 Pro. Sadly I can't run ubuntu touch on my device
 Planning to buy a dedicate device for ubuntu touch
 Like pine phone
 @arplusplus [I'm using OnePlus 8 Pro. Sadly I can't run ubuntu touch on my device], unfortunately devices that ship with Android 10 are not quite able to be ported to run UT yet, but there is work being done to change that.  OnePlus makes nice devices though - my wife loves her OnePlus 7T
 Yes but oneplus is also putting Facebook bloatware now
 Every update I see a new background service introduced by OP to steal my data
 The older ones are nice and also well supported.
 And I don't rely china for my data
 @klaartje_b [The older ones are nice and also well supported.], Yes
 @arplusplus [And I don't rely china for my data], yup, and I don't like to trust Google with my data either.
 @arplusplus [And I don't rely china for my data], Rely*trust
 @TotalSonic [yup, and I don't like to trust Google with my data either.], Same you but for US companies atleast we know government will fuck their happiness if they find
 For Chinese there is not democracy and transparency
 @arplusplus [Rely*trust], Well, the Volla Phone is not quite as good of hardware as the OnePlus 8 Pro - but it is still fast and modern design, and runs UT very nicely on it.
 Yes OP had good hardware
 But software is running a downward slope
 It's not same old OP
 Started as CyanogenMod in USA
 Plus the good co-founder left carl pie
 @arplusplus [Yes OP had good hardware], There is work currently on getting the OnePlus 6T/5/3T/3 running with UT.
 I'm definitely smelling something fishy in background
 Co-founder don't just leave. Company is compromising with ethics
 @TotalSonic [There is work currently on getting the OnePlus 6T/5/3T/3 running with UT.], So I'll buy old OP
 Then second hand
 OnePlus One works very well with UT, and can be found cheap, if you don't mind old.
 They are super cheap here in India. Like less than 100 dollars
 I'm very happy with my OP 1 running UT. I use it every day. Only weak point is the camera for now.
 @klaartje_b [I'm very happy with my OP 1 running UT. I use it every day. Only weak point is t …], ❤️❤️
 Will buy next month or so
 I'll also get into development process. I see its using QT for UI
 @arplusplus [Will buy next month or so], You can see the state of how well the supported devices for UT are at https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io/
 @TotalSonic [You can see the state of how well the supported devices for UT are at https://de …], Thanks
 Where are you guys buying oneplus one? … I only see new version. Not available on amazon or some second hand website. Looks like oneplus one have disappeared from planet 😂🤣
 I buy them at my local second hand sites... the more local the better.
 Make sure to get the 64GB.
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 @Fuseteam [not sure if this will work but perhaps try sudo ubports-qa install libertine 104], You're a wizard! What did I install exactly with the qa 104? Could you point me to a link?
 Success in setting up a libertine container on oneplus 3! Success installing firefox - can't reach any website though, don't know why. Success installing vlc, it doesn't get further than the icon in black to any UI but it's ok
 Also, no icon launchers in the menu? Is this normal for libertine installed programmes?
 sorry if I am spamming, if I am do say so
[17:06] <ubptgbot> amn1987 was added by: amn1987
 Is it possible to run JDownloader in Ubuntu Touch?
 @saligari [Also, no icon launchers in the menu? Is this normal for libertine installed prog …], I think for libertine you have to refresh the app drawer manually by pulling down
 @Javacookies [I think for libertine you have to refresh the app drawer manually by pulling dow …], Thanks!!
 @amn1987 [Is it possible to run JDownloader in Ubuntu Touch?], i guess you could install it in a libertine container, but taht won't make it usable or useful on the phone
 is there a sailfish os group
 @#mimov2 [is there a sailfish os group], Yes, and I immediately found it by typing 'sailfishos' in the search bar.
 @klaartje_b [Make sure to get the 64GB.], Ok
 @dohbee [i guess you could install it in a libertine container, but taht won't make it us …], Thanks.
 @klaartje_b [Yes, and I immediately found it by typing 'sailfishos' in the search bar.], i found only russian one
 What about @SFOSFanclub?
 @saligari [Success in setting up a libertine container on oneplus 3! Success installing fir …], Firefox 84 in th repos crashes -but Firefox-esr 78 works. You can download it here https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+build/20904731
 Any update on one plus 5?
 @Dkostarnov [Maybe galaxy tab a sm-t355?], same story, as long as it is not on devices.ubunut-touch.io the owner of the device has to port it
 @saligari [You're a wizard! What did I install exactly with the qa 104? Could you point me …], you installed this pull request: https://github.com/ubports/libertine/pull/104 it appears quite a number of packages get rebuilt with it
 @Anghirrim [This is not a big deal. I just want to be able to read messages. Worst case, the …], guess that's true haha whatsapp web has the same limitations on ut currently
 @Talmid Levi [I see, I try it out, thank you], if you want to build a gui app around a commandline tool that is certainly possible, even without libertine, you may be interested in joining https://t.me/UbuntuAppDevEn
 For users of the MeWe privacy respecting social media site - I have removed the basic "MeWe UT" webapp from the OpenStore - because Rudi Timmermans graciously created a much better working webapp which remembers logins, and which has proper scaling - you can download it here https://open-store.io/app/mewe.meweapp
 (Photo, 1080x2340) https://irc.ubports.com/zmw0gNTO.png
 Current "home" screen for my Volla - now my daily driver :)
 @TotalSonic [<reply to media>], That looks beautiful
 What is the app that looks like a lightbulb?
 utorch
 iirc
 @Braillynn [That looks beautiful], It's a pic of a trail that is near me taken by a pro photographer.
 I miss walking on trails, waiting for all the snow to melt.
 i want ut on moto g7 play
 it would be a nice ut device
 miui and styxos works good for now
 @TotalSonic [<reply to media>], Wow looks good
 @amyosx [utorch], Yup - uTorch only works on a few devices, but works well with Volla. Easier to turn on the flashlight from it when in a rush than messing with the Battery indicator control
 yeah
 Can't wait to quit android
 i like using both for different things
 but ut is awesome
 also i should try to port to iphone 5s
 My maintain concerns are with privacy. I don't like Google knowing what time I shit. Whom I'm dating. Where I'm going. Who's emailing me. Who's calling me
 @amyosx [also i should try to port to iphone 5s], That would be a lot of work - but major props to you if you can figure out how to port UT onto an Apple iOS device
 You spend more time on phones than laptop/pc
 @TotalSonic [That would be a lot of work - but major props to you if you can figure out how t …], I think it's a good idea. Since iphones are more stable
 And android devices are literally too many
 In numbers
 @TotalSonic [That would be a lot of work - but major props to you if you can figure out how t …], arent their cpus different?
 Actually I was thinking of this but didn't speak. I had no idea about Apple's bootloader and stuff
 @arplusplus [I think it's a good idea. Since iphones are more stable], Well, so far no one has done it, because it doesn't have a Linux kernel base to it, or Android blobs which libhybris can work with
 @TotalSonic [That would be a lot of work - but major props to you if you can figure out how t …], i know how to boot a linux kernek
 Yes it's unix
 @TotalSonic [That would be a lot of work - but major props to you if you can figure out how t …], [Edit] i know how to boot a linux kernel
 with checkm8
 march 1
 just got to fix some stuff on a7
 what
 @amyosx [i know how to boot a linux kernel], Yeah, I've seen news of folks getting that working for some of the older iPhones
 yeah should work fine on a8-a11
 @TotalSonic [Yeah, I've seen news of folks getting that working for some of the older iPhones], Where?
 @arplusplus [Where?], https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Linux+on+iphone&t=h_&ia=web
 Damn
 That's just a first step to a port - then would come a lot more hard stuff to figure out
 I have faith in @amyosx though ☺
 Man my one plus 8 pro has no good rom … Not lineage. Not graphene. Nothing but some carbon rom. That doesn't look very interesting from privacy stand point
 if you are interesting you could port it in your spare time xD
 tho halium 10 is a work in progress
 halium 10
 what if my device originally shipped with android 9
 i feel like its the wrong group to ask in
 @Fuseteam [if you are interesting you could port it in your spare time xD], I know this is a typo but I consider all our porters interesting!  😍
 @klaartje_b [I know this is a typo but I consider all our porters interesting!  😍], what typo :^3
 @ilikeyacutgAAAAA [what if my device originally shipped with android 9], if it shipped with android 9, you can use halium 9 xD
 @Fuseteam [what typo :^3], 😅
 which is in a much better state than halium 10
 @klaartje_b [I know this is a typo but I consider all our porters interesting!  😍], ........oh now i see 🤦‍♂️
 [Edit] if you are interested you could port it in your spare time xD
 shamelessly edits
 @Fuseteam [if it shipped with android 9, you can use halium 9 xD], nice
 Are there any plans to clean up the Open Store when OTA-16 comes out by unpublishing "Webapp+" webapps that use Ogra/Oxide?   Otherwise I think it leads to confusion and frustration when people install webapps that crash on them if they are kept in, and keeps people from as easily finding the options that are working.
 I went ahead and unpublished all the Ogra based webapps I had put in the OpenStore a few months ago.
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 What if there could be a feature which says you can only install them in you're still on OTA-15 or below? That might be good as a stopgap to allow developers to catch up and update the webengine in their webapps.
 @TartanSpartan [What if there could be a feature which says you can only install them in you're …], A lot of these webapps are old (pre-2018) and often abandoned by their maintainers.
 ... but a warning would be fine as well.
 Does anyone know of a link to with a tutorial suitable for noob dummies to setting up Syncthing on UT and a remote computer?  I haven't been able to figure it out yet - seems maybe it is not working properly on the Volla phone, but I want to make sure it is not user error.
 [Edit] Does anyone know of a link to a tutorial suitable for noob dummies to setting up Syncthing on UT and a remote computer?  I haven't been able to figure it out yet - seems maybe it is not working properly on the Volla phone, but I want to make sure it is not user error.
 Very good question! It feels like a powerful tool but it scares me because of that, I don't know how to set it up properly.
 Yeah, I really am missing UBsync because it was so easy to setup, and easy for me to understand, but it is not working for arm64 devices yet.
[22:21] <ubptgbot> <Ludie Hancock> Woooow!  I gotted bitcoin with 𝒶𝒾𝓇𝒹𝓇𝑜𝓅 Ellon-Musk!  https://bit.ly/2NR6iou
 @TartanSpartan [What if there could be a feature which says you can only install them in you're …], importing oxide directly was never officially supported anyway. and we didn't require a `16.04-oxide` or such framework for those apps, so there was nothing we could remove that would simply have prevented them from even being shown by opens
[22:25] <ubptgbot> tore now
 @TotalSonic [Are there any plans to clean up the Open Store when OTA-16 comes out by unpublis …], i think they won't be visible anymore similar to how 15.04 apps aren't visible anymore
 @dohbee [importing oxide directly was never officially supported anyway. and we didn't re …], oh i wrong 🤔
 @dohbee [importing oxide directly was never officially supported anyway. and we didn't re …], [Edit] oh i'm wrong 🤔
 @Fuseteam [i think they won't be visible anymore similar to how 15.04 apps aren't visible a …], all my webapps use the old 15.04 framework because they were made with Webapp Creator - and those are visible.
 @TotalSonic [all my webapps use the old 15.04 framework because they were made with Webapp Cr …], that's not the same i think, there are a lot of old 15.04 apps that simply aren't visible anymore
 @Fuseteam [that's not the same i think, there are a lot of old 15.04 apps that simply aren' …], that's true.  App Scopes no longer appear
 @Fuseteam [that's not the same i think, there are a lot of old 15.04 apps that simply aren' …], the ones that were only ever published in vivid channel on openstore are not available to download any more
 apps that use the `15.04` frameworks would still be visible, if published in the xenial channel
 i'm not sure how many of those there are, though
 ah that explains it
 guess once we get to focal the unmaintained applications won't show up anymore
 as we would then have a focal channel
 There was a bit of inspection to see that they were webapp+ so I think most could be filtered from the store
 if there's nothing left that are normal apps/webapps using 15.04 frameworks, perhaps we could remove them from the system now
 also the 13.10, 14.04, and 14.10 frameworks we can probably remove now i hope
 @dohbee [if there's nothing left that are normal apps/webapps using 15.04 frameworks, per …], I use a good number of webapps built with the 15.04 framework that I find very useful.
[22:53] <ubptgbot> Luke P was added by: Luke P
[22:53] <ubptgbot> <Luke P> Hi
 @TotalSonic [I use a good number of webapps built with the 15.04 framework that I find very u …], then they should be repackage i guess 🤔
[23:10] <ubptgbot> <X YZ> @TotalSonic [Does anyone know of a link to a tutorial suitable for noob dummies to setting up …], While i have no experience using syncthing in UT (yet), it is syncing my Ubuntu laptop with my android phone just fine. I installed and the tried with a test folder I created for the purpose, to make sure I did not break anything. Should be simi
[23:10] <ubptgbot> lar in UT, find it very useful. … Happy to help what I can later tomorrow. … There is also the Syncthing Unofficial Chat group at … https://t.me/SyncthingChat
 is the Syncthing UT version not confined?
 @X YZ [While i have no experience using syncthing in UT (yet), it is syncing my Ubuntu …], Thanks!
 @PiecerEdd [is the Syncthing UT version not confined?], It is unconfined (as is UBsync) - use at your own risk
 @TotalSonic [It is unconfined (as is UBsync) - use at your own risk], well, I'm not worried about it running wild and eating my phone, just worried about it physically not being able to sync certain folders because it doesn't have access to it 😆
 guess that's why it is unconfined
 the Android version has a really annoying problem (not ST's fault, 100% the fault of 'droid) that stops you being able to use it for syncing folders on your external SD card
 just worried about running into similar walls 😆
 yeah we don't have those walls on ut afaik
 well.. most apps do 😆
[23:56] <ubptgbot> <X YZ> @PiecerEdd [the Android version has a really annoying problem (not ST's fault, 100% the faul …], Not fully true, as discussed here: … https://forum.syncthing.net/t/android-11-all-files-access-for-the-syncthing-app/14651/39
 @X YZ [Not fully true, as discussed here: … https://forum.syncthing.net/t/android-11-all- …], yeah, for the one phone in the world that's actually running Android 11 😆