[03:59] good morning [07:14] good morning [15:44] howdy all I was directed here by #Ubuntu [15:44] so apologies for the "repost", haha [15:44] 11:41 PM I don't know if this is the right channel for this - I want to talk about some... Uhh, development considerations, both development and business. [15:44] 11:41 PM If this isn't the place the obvious question is "where" in a way that is a 2 way conversation not just blind submission [15:44] 11:42 PM "Thank you for your feedback, it went to noreply@ but irrelevant, THANK YOU!" [15:44] 11:42 PM :P [15:48] Anyway, TLDR isssss... A /lot/ of consumers want plug and play accessibility to their phones. And MOST of those wont have fancy phone mounts or other peripherals.. [15:48] At this moment, only Samsung has actually delivered a complete "remote desktop" style product - ie a full remote screen with responsive IO (uses UDP for display, TCP for the input) [15:49] A small segue is; Sadly, they've achieved with Windows as a partner (DeX now available as standard in the Your Phone app which is as close as I get to DeX with my pixel 3 xl... [15:50] Thinclient style capabilities are core - and if we're honest, android code is nothing but glorified "not-java" [15:50] Now, stay with me here lol [15:50] WSL2 is a /big deal/ in the windows world [15:53] available even on a Home licence, it allows ubunu, again, an "in" for their already produced (even on the windows store available) WSL2 using build... [15:53] But that the build was universally plug and play, across a great many brands. [15:53] I would be happy to help start covering the major brands with long term use of the same android versions type of thing (ie those that aren't going anywhere) [15:54] It's not a "solve here and now" thing, but i'm open to helping if it's desirable I guess? [15:54] I can ofcourse write up/figure out a full proposal through the correct channels [15:55] submit a writeup* [17:34] EddyKid: let me decipher a question out of your monologue? [17:38] lol ty [17:39] i was being ironic EddyKid lets try a real discussion? [17:39] TLDR Android has a gaming grade responsive remote access to the devices video/audio/modems/etc [17:39] Windows is working hard with Samsung to keep it a samsung feature [17:40] Which presents an opportunity for linux, which runs just great in a WSL2 container, to step in [17:40] "Beat them to the punch" kind of thing [17:40] hows this related to ubuntu? [17:40] End goal would be this same support for all devices [17:40] the WSL2 component is only relevant to me [17:41] But! as a windows user, I can and do keep this container on my Windows machines auto-updated [17:42] Anyway, the point is, adding this universal functionality to "linux", would then be available on windows and mac (through different tech) devices. [17:42] Which, to be clear again DeX is basically just a UDP video stream and TCP input controls [17:42] But baked into the kernel [17:43] let me go grab a coffee while you talk to yourself [17:43] The main other option is Teamviewer for [17:43] That's pretty much it. [17:45] It could be a big differentiator for one benefit to the org, it is currently an "exclusive/premium" feature for like 70%++ of people using [not Samsung], and will run just by updating the core OS, just perfectly on Mac and PC. [17:54] https://github.com/Genymobile/scrcpy [17:55] let us know if you want to discuss something ubuntu related EddyKid [17:57] This is the "generic receiving point" and employs an (afaik) self-written (amongst many) "emulators" [17:57] You miss the point sir. [17:57] Or madam. [17:57] so you think ubuntu should offer some kind of mobile integration so you can type on your phone... hang on though, you'd already be at your computer, so...? [17:58] also note Kubuntu has some mobile features [17:58] The /point/ is by adding telephony to the core stack, and given it can already run WELL on both mac and windows... [18:00] Check out the MS YourPhone app on windows 10. If you're more keen, and have a recent model samsung device - Checkout DeX, the product of 3 generations of product cycle - to a fantastic result. [18:02] not interested in anything you've said [18:07] lol well that's very dismissive; It's been a huge success for Samsung with literally 10,000 people wishing for this feature after switching and not having it [18:07] But then i'm not sure you care about anything xD [18:08] i won't buy Samsung devices and i don't have any interest in tying my phone into my desktop OS :) that's hardly everything [18:09] ... So then you could stand to benefit from such an integration [18:09] But don't care about it haha [18:09] no [18:09] I'm not asking you to build it [18:09] I'm not even going to build it myself, i'm not experienced in that specific field [18:09] that's apparent [18:10] ... That was redundant. I've worked 15 years in telephony and related software development [18:11] You're making the community appear toxic and apathetic; Luckily for the community matter less than and [18:11] there's no value to your ramblings because there's no consistent well thought out message, just a bunch of buzzwords and brands tossed together [18:11] "you people should do a thing! YEAH, who's with me?" [18:12] ... The question was where and how to implement it and if anybody thought it was a good idea; Not once did I request expressions of non-interest because [18:13] Not sure you understand how science works. [18:13] ok so you're already trying to make things personal, best of luck with achieving anything on this network, cya [18:13] ignore set [18:14] Technically I can ofc being a Pixel, root my device and just install a framebuffer driver and bluetooth mouse driver using existing softwaree [18:14] But that's no solution for the /average/ user [18:15] And again the reason ubuntu is prime for this opportunity is because it will run fast and light as a wrapper for said potential capabilities to largely all systems. [18:15] atleast the most relevant windows/mac users [18:15] And to anyone who cares to do a modicum of market research, it's a /hugely/ desirable feature [18:17] * lotuspsychje is reading a phonebook with popcorn [18:17] I mean, to lay it down simple, people want to answer calls, access the data on their phone, using the phone directly vs a sync of any kind - possibly because it's a "secure" device (ie government) - and be able to send/receive whatever they want (including calls/mms/etc), to their PC [18:18] That PC /generally/ won't be directly running linux/ubuntu. [18:18] But yet ubuntu is very efficiently available, even for single app containers, on both systems. [18:19] It's an inticement for both sides to be running an Ubuntu instance where otherwis they simply wouldn't at all. [18:20] The wider the brand support - the better - even if that means direct vendor integration of techs - it's linux on linux essentially. Canonical doesn't make $0 a year [18:20] And there isn't that many major players to get onboard for an essentially free to them offering [18:21] Yet ubuntu will infact be running behind the scenes on a vast amount of non-native linux users. [18:23] Anyway, I did say if there's a better avenue to present this argument; please let me know [18:23] (it's a bit too big in scope to be a forum post) [18:42] EddyKid: have you been able to formulate a question to discuss yet? [18:44] i want wsl-3 [18:45] lol [18:53] "Urp imma mute u dikk" "Helo guy ru still "