[03:59] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[07:14] <ducasse> good morning
[15:44] <EddyKid> howdy all I was directed here by #Ubuntu
[15:44] <EddyKid> so apologies for the "repost", haha
[15:44] <EddyKid> 11:41 PM <EddyKid> I don't know if this is the right channel for this - I want to talk about some... Uhh, development considerations, both development and business.
[15:44] <EddyKid> 11:41 PM <EddyKid> If this isn't the place the obvious question is "where" in a way that is a 2 way conversation not just blind submission
[15:44] <EddyKid> 11:42 PM <EddyKid> "Thank you for your feedback, it went to noreply@ but irrelevant, THANK YOU!"
[15:44] <EddyKid> 11:42 PM <EddyKid> :P
[15:48] <EddyKid> Anyway, TLDR isssss... A /lot/ of consumers want plug and play accessibility to their phones. And MOST of those wont have fancy phone mounts or other peripherals..
[15:48] <EddyKid> At this moment, only Samsung has actually delivered a complete "remote desktop" style product - ie a full remote screen with responsive IO (uses UDP for display, TCP for the input)
[15:49] <EddyKid> A small segue is; Sadly, they've achieved with Windows as a partner (DeX now available as standard in the Your Phone app which is as close as I get to DeX with my pixel 3 xl...
[15:50] <EddyKid> Thinclient style capabilities are core - and if we're honest, android code is nothing but glorified "not-java"
[15:50] <EddyKid> Now, stay with me here lol
[15:50] <EddyKid> WSL2 is a /big deal/ in the windows world
[15:53] <EddyKid> available even on a Home licence, it allows ubunu, again, an "in" for their already produced (even on the windows store available) WSL2 using build...
[15:53] <EddyKid> But that the build was universally plug and play, across a great many brands.
[15:53] <EddyKid> I would be happy to help start covering the major brands with long term use of the same android versions type of thing (ie those that aren't going anywhere)
[15:54] <EddyKid> It's not a "solve here and now" thing, but i'm open to helping if it's desirable I guess?
[15:54] <EddyKid> I can ofcourse write up/figure out a full proposal through the correct channels
[15:55] <EddyKid> submit a writeup*
[17:34] <lotuspsychje> EddyKid: let me decipher a question out of your monologue?
[17:38] <EddyKid> lol ty
[17:39] <lotuspsychje> i was being ironic EddyKid lets try a real discussion?
[17:39] <EddyKid> TLDR Android has a gaming grade responsive remote access to the devices video/audio/modems/etc
[17:39] <EddyKid> Windows is working hard with Samsung to keep it a samsung feature
[17:40] <EddyKid> Which presents an opportunity for linux, which runs just great in a WSL2 container, to step in
[17:40] <EddyKid> "Beat them to the punch" kind of thing
[17:40] <lotuspsychje> hows this related to ubuntu?
[17:40] <EddyKid> End goal would be this same support for all devices
[17:40] <EddyKid> the WSL2 component is only relevant to me
[17:41] <EddyKid> But! as a windows user, I can and do keep this container on my Windows machines auto-updated
[17:42] <EddyKid> Anyway, the point is, adding this universal functionality to "linux", would then be available on windows and mac (through different tech) devices.
[17:42] <EddyKid> Which, to be clear again DeX is basically just a UDP video stream and TCP input controls
[17:42] <EddyKid> But baked into the kernel
[17:43] <lotuspsychje> let me go grab a coffee while you talk to yourself
[17:43] <EddyKid> The main other option is Teamviewer for <specific model here>
[17:43] <EddyKid> That's pretty much it.
[17:45] <EddyKid> It could be a big differentiator for one benefit to the org, it is currently an "exclusive/premium" feature for like 70%++ of people using [not Samsung], and will run just by updating the core OS, just perfectly on Mac and PC.
[17:54] <EddyKid> https://github.com/Genymobile/scrcpy
[17:55] <lotuspsychje> let us know if you want to discuss something ubuntu related EddyKid
[17:57] <EddyKid> This is the "generic receiving point" and employs an (afaik) self-written (amongst many) "emulators"
[17:57] <EddyKid> You miss the point sir.
[17:57] <EddyKid> Or madam.
[17:57] <daftykins> so you think ubuntu should offer some kind of mobile integration so you can type on your phone... hang on though, you'd already be at your computer, so...?
[17:58] <daftykins> also note Kubuntu has some mobile features
[17:58] <EddyKid> The /point/ is by adding telephony to the core stack, and given it can already run WELL on both mac and windows...
[18:00] <EddyKid> Check out the MS YourPhone app on windows 10. If you're more keen, and have a recent model samsung device - Checkout DeX, the product of 3 generations of product cycle - to a fantastic result.
[18:02] <daftykins> not interested in anything you've said
[18:07] <EddyKid> lol well that's very dismissive; It's been a huge success for Samsung with literally 10,000 people wishing for this feature after switching and not having it
[18:07] <EddyKid> But then i'm not sure you care about anything xD
[18:08] <daftykins> i won't buy Samsung devices and i don't have any interest in tying my phone into my desktop OS :) that's hardly everything
[18:09] <EddyKid> ... So then you could stand to benefit from such an integration
[18:09] <EddyKid> But don't care about it haha
[18:09] <daftykins> no
[18:09] <EddyKid> I'm not asking you to build it
[18:09] <EddyKid> I'm not even going to build it myself, i'm not experienced in that specific field
[18:09] <daftykins> that's apparent
[18:10] <EddyKid> ... That was redundant. I've worked 15 years in telephony and related software development
[18:11] <EddyKid> You're making the community appear toxic and apathetic; Luckily for the community <you> matter less than <everyone> and <statistics>
[18:11] <daftykins> there's no value to your ramblings because there's no consistent well thought out message, just a bunch of buzzwords and brands tossed together
[18:11] <daftykins> "you people should do a thing! YEAH, who's with me?"
[18:12] <EddyKid> ... The question was where and how to implement it and if anybody thought it was a good idea; Not once did I request expressions of non-interest because <too many words for your brain>
[18:13] <EddyKid> Not sure you understand how science works.
[18:13] <daftykins> ok so you're already trying to make things personal, best of luck with achieving anything on this network, cya
[18:13] <daftykins> ignore set
[18:14] <EddyKid> Technically I can ofc being a Pixel, root my device and just install a framebuffer driver and bluetooth mouse driver using existing softwaree
[18:14] <EddyKid> But that's no solution for the /average/ user
[18:15] <EddyKid> And again the reason ubuntu is prime for this opportunity is because it will run fast and light as a wrapper for said potential capabilities to largely all systems.
[18:15] <EddyKid> atleast the most relevant windows/mac users
[18:15] <EddyKid> And to anyone who cares to do a modicum of market research, it's a /hugely/ desirable feature
[18:17]  * lotuspsychje is reading a phonebook with popcorn
[18:17] <EddyKid> I mean, to lay it down simple, people want to answer calls, access the data on their phone, using the phone directly vs a sync of any kind - possibly because it's a "secure" device (ie government) - and be able to send/receive whatever they want (including calls/mms/etc), to their PC
[18:18] <EddyKid> That PC /generally/ won't be directly running linux/ubuntu.
[18:18] <EddyKid> But yet ubuntu is very efficiently available, even for single app containers, on both systems.
[18:19] <EddyKid> It's an inticement for both sides to be running an Ubuntu instance where otherwis they simply wouldn't at all.
[18:20] <EddyKid> The wider the brand support - the better - even if that means direct vendor integration of techs - it's linux on linux essentially. Canonical doesn't make $0 a year
[18:20] <EddyKid> And there isn't that many major players to get onboard for an essentially free to them offering
[18:21] <EddyKid> Yet ubuntu will infact be running behind the scenes on a vast amount of non-native linux users.
[18:23] <EddyKid> Anyway, I did say if there's a better avenue to present this argument; please let me know
[18:23] <EddyKid> (it's a bit too big in scope to be a forum post)
[18:42] <lotuspsychje> EddyKid: have you been able to formulate a question to discuss yet?
[18:44] <oerheks> i want wsl-3
[18:45] <lotuspsychje> lol
[18:53] <EddyKid> "Urp imma mute u dikk" "Helo guy ru still <whatever>"