 lol
 it is a series issue on android 10 that's for sure :p
 drives me up the wall
 Android is such a terrible OS (yes yes I know, preach to the choir)
 Ok, so diving into it Syncthing isn't so hard to setup after all.  Almost there.  :)  Thanks much to the authors of the UT version for making this available - especially needed given that UBsync is still not ready for arm64 yet.
 ... just needed the Tagger app to add my remote desktop's ID via my Volla reading the QR code from its display first.
[03:56] <ubptgbot> Musilwa was added by: Musilwa
 yay!  - I got SyncThing to work between my Volla Phone and my desktop running Windows 10.  Not so hard after all.
 [Edit] yay!  - I got SyncThing to work between my Volla Phone and my desktop running Windows 10 (using SyncTrayzor).  Not so hard after all.
 @Fuseteam found a c++ app that can use the system menu :)
 (Photo, 1080x2340) https://irc.ubports.com/RLXgy3fo.png
 (Photo, 1080x2340) https://irc.ubports.com/XVW3KuJm.png
 Does this mean that ability to send to a printer can come to UT devices?
 I don't think the button will work ;)
 but if cups was installed maybe?
 just able to use the file menus :)
 Cups would take a lot of space in the system image I bet.  But maybe something allowing selective driver loading when needed?
 @mateosalta [just able to use the file menus :)], so would this allow some Libertine apps to be abstracted to usable gui's ??
 yes I think eventually
 but what it means right now, I can write a app with these menus right now
[04:25] <ubptgbot> abrarnihal was added by: abrarnihal
 Guys can I install ubuntu touch on Samsung j4 + without root
 Please reply
 Anyone ?
 Check the supported devices: https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io
 @abrarnihal [Guys can I install ubuntu touch on Samsung j4 + without root], That one is not currently supported, so it would need to be ported first.  Info on how to do this is at http://docs.halium.org/en/latest/porting/first-steps.html … and … http://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/porting/Intro.html … Also http://docs.ubports.com/en/late
[04:42] <ubptgbot> st/porting/halium_9/Halium_9_GSI_porting.html
 @mateosalta [@Fuseteam found a c++ app that can use the system menu :)], ooooh 🤩
 maybe I will try to distill down to example app
 need to get a window loading some qml with it first
 @mateosalta [but what it means right now, I can write a app with these menus right now], yeah this is awesome
 @mateosalta [maybe I will try to distill down to example app], that'd be great yeah xD
 @mateosalta [need to get a window loading some qml with it first], ah that sounds like a challenge 👀
 oh, some keyboard shortcuts are there, that might be easy to test
 cool
 [Edit] cool!
 I can't make it work with QML, what does the C++ app use?
 add to existing app that uses a keyboard shortcut, trigger it with the menu
 @Javacookies [I can't make it work with QML, what does the C++ app use?], yeah, there is a missing thing for qml
 I think ideally Libertine apps also use global menu but it seems to be not working or not implemented
 some bug or missing thing to use directly in qml
 @mateosalta [add to existing app that uses a keyboard shortcut, trigger it with the menu], oho 👀
 i wonder if we can find this missing this with this c++ app 🤔
 [Edit] i wonder if we can find this missing thing with this c++ app 🤔
 @mateosalta [but what it means right now, I can write a app with these menus right now], cool,  hopefully that will allow app development to speed up :)
 many of my qml apps i am moving to a cpp window wrapper
 @TotalSonic [cool,  hopefully that will allow app development to speed up :)], well speed up is a big word :P
 so won't be too hard to use as a template for that
 @Fuseteam [well speed up is a big word :P], "speed up TM" - "soon TM"
 ah nice, sounds like a plan
 @TotalSonic ["speed up TM" - "soon TM"], *soon™ :p
 gotta say it properly :p
 @Fuseteam [*soon™ :p], where is the button for the TM superscript??
 oh here:
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/KTBvZyjC.png
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/s4OYM121.png badum tss
 :p
 a true soon™ pr lol
 oh cool - I need to get the Flick keyboard, and then everything would become "TM" :P
 everything© eh 😂
 lol
 @mateosalta [so won't be too hard to use as a template for that], looking forward to it xD
 this was part of the search for a qml one: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/37872504/menubars-in-qtquick-controls-2
 which maybe someone could try in qt 5.12
 I've tried that though I can't remember if I tried it with qt5.12
 IIRC, the error was one of those are not a type or something like that
 yeah, it's not in 5.9
 UITK also has its own Menu I believe
 oooh
 deffo worth a try but i'm not in a position to— maybe i am or will be 🤔
 ah, the problem is - the example is qapplication with widgets, the widgets don't seem to show well
 It feels strange that mostly older devices are in the supported list . OP6/T and RN7/P seem to be the most modern.
 well, things did start way back in 2012 with the nexus 4 :)
 @amn1987 [It feels strange that mostly older devices are in the supported list . OP6/T and …], i dunno there are many android 9 devices afaict xD
 it really up to people who own "modern" device to port them :)
 @amn1987 [It feels strange that mostly older devices are in the supported list . OP6/T and …], it's not really strange since the Android version it came with matters and the newer the more work to be done for the port. At the moment, I think the latest is still Android 9 (Halium 9)
 @amn1987 [It feels strange that mostly older devices are in the supported list . OP6/T and …], Because it takes time to get device ports made and stable, and because it wasn't until very recently when Halium was developed enough to be able to support devices which came with Android 9.
 If anything - the list of supported devices has never been so extensive, and never featured so many devices made within the past 2 years.  It went in just over a year from 11 previously, with the most recently manufactured in 2016, to currently 58 and rising, with the most recent manufactured in 2020.
 [Edit] If anything - the list of supported devices has never been so extensive, and never featured so many devices made within the past 2 years.  It went in just over a year from 11 previously, with the most recent manufactured in 2016, to currently 58 and rising, with the most recent manufactured in 2020.
 Got it. Thanks to you all for clearing that up.
 oh, this may be a regression? can anyone try this calcuator demo on stable? https://github.com/sverzegnassi/ubuntu-touch-qtwidgets-calculator-demo
 it works on clickable desktop, but not showing on dev on volla, and sony arm64
 (the application window is blank)
 @dohbee do you know anything about qtwidgets not showing, i'm thinking this example should work but is showing a blank window on dev
 Ubuntu Pastebin … http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Hy3vN6ZWSk/
 hm, maybe have to disable gpu?
 or maybe try this pain on screen flag?
 that seems to be the case with qt desktop apps, opens but just blank
 [Edit] or maybe try this paint on screen flag?
 transmission-qt and 2048-qt are like this
 they used to work
 maybe needs to be rebuilt with Qt5.12
[10:30] <ubptgbot> Enrica1812 was added by: Enrica1812
 Hi, I tried the `edge-armhf` rootfs yesterday on my Galaxy S7: no more haptic feedback when I touch the keyboard and the power button does not respond. This is working fine in stable rootfs. Is it something known? Where should I report it?
 Dont use edge, its in general known to break stuff, and it wont automatically merge into devel, so when its working in devel its fine ^^
 @Flohack [Dont use edge, its in general known to break stuff, and it wont automatically me …], Thanks, I was not aware of devel :) Where do we find it? I do not see it here: https://ci.ubports.com/job/xenial-rootfs-armhf/
 @TotalSonic [I have faith in @amyosx though ☺], I have to boot the kernel at all without it panicking first lmao
 Maybe if I had a 7 it would be easier, but I only have a 5s
 Niiice! Ɇlon ₥usk ₳irdrop ₵rypto  https://bit.ly/3sAXGRD
 @Oliv4945 [Thanks, I was not aware of devel :) Where do we find it? I do not see it here: h …], It is that very project ^^ look on the artifacts on top
 but are you sure you want armhf? arm64 is here: https://ci.ubports.com/job/xenial-hybris-rootfs-arm64/
 @Flohack [Dont use edge, its in general known to break stuff, and it wont automatically me …], But on my redmi 4a and redmi 3x only edge work
 @DarknessHiddenorg [But on my redmi 4a and redmi 3x only edge work], Hal7
[12:43] <ubptgbot> <Dolinta Cristian> Hi, it is possible to use UT with android, dual boot on the same phone?
 @Dolinta Cristian [Hi, it is possible to use UT with android, dual boot on the same phone?], Technically, it is possible, but it is not supported by the installer or by UBports.
 @Dolinta Cristian [Hi, it is possible to use UT with android, dual boot on the same phone?], Which phone?
[12:50] <ubptgbot> <Dolinta Cristian> @amyosx [Which phone?], Lavender
 Hello everyone. I would like to ask, who knows, maybe there is some kind of patch that allows you to fix the dead Internet in Anbox? And then I need a banking application, but the Internet does not work in Anbox ...
 @Flohack [but are you sure you want armhf? arm64 is here: https://ci.ubports.com/job/xenia …], Ah ok :) So I wanted `edge` to try an MMS path. I am using armhf as there was an issue with the rootfs first time I tried `arm64`. And it was same for Ari so we are both working on armhf, I guess that we should try arm64 one day :)
[14:35] <ubptgbot> anonymous041 was added by: anonymous041
[14:39] <ubptgbot> Linux Guy was added by: Linux Guy
[14:39] <ubptgbot> <Linux Guy> Can I dual boot ut with android?
 @Dolinta Cristian [Lavender], No
 @Linux Guy [Can I dual boot ut with android?], Scroll up
[14:42] <ubptgbot> <Linux Guy> @alan_griffiths [Technically, it is possible, but it is not supported by the installer or by UBpo …], How can I do it?
 @Linux Guy [How can I do it?], I don't support it either
[14:44] <ubptgbot> <Linux Guy> @alan_griffiths [I don't support it either], 😐😐😐
[14:48] <ubptgbot> <Linux Guy> @alan_griffiths [I don't support it either], I don't support you all's not supporting it. 🙄
 @Linux Guy [I don't support you all's not supporting it. 🙄], It is a free world: Nobody is stopping you doing it, nor supporting it. But I have no reason to spend my time on it.
 @alan_griffiths [It is a free world: Nobody is stopping you doing it, nor supporting it. But I ha …], I realize, but need some instructions. 😞
 I tried bringing it back on bacon
 @amyosx [I tried bringing it back on bacon], With eggs and toast?
 Mhm breakfast 🥐
 @Braillynn [With eggs and toast?], Lmao
 How can I connect to an smb server
 @nahnah7 [How can I connect to an smb server], With a wifi-cabel
 @amyosx [<reply to unk>], unpopular opinion: not having it at all
 @lackingcheesepuffs [unpopular opinion: not having it at all], ^
 @Fuseteam [same story, as long as it is not on devices.ubunut-touch.io the owner of the dev …], I owner of the device but I potato in programming
 @Dkostarnov [I owner of the device but I potato in programming], many porters are actually potatos in programming iirc
 that's why we wait 'till LineageOS plumbing is done prior to porting
 there's that too :p
 Potatoes are nutricious. My programming = empty plate.
 @mateosalta [@dohbee do you know anything about qtwidgets not showing, i'm thinking this exam …], no idea
 @ggio01 [<reply to media>], macos big sur
 @ggio01 [<reply to media>], [Edit] macos big sur just from the wallpaper
 @ggio01 [<reply to media>], A Linux distro, perhaps Ubuntu with kde and latte dock
 why replying to 3 month old thing anyway?
 @dohbee [why replying to 3 month old thing anyway?], Because the other guy dod
 @dohbee [why replying to 3 month old thing anyway?], [Edit] Because the other guy did
 but yes it's clearly plasma made to half-heartedly look like macOS
 Yeah I could do it better
 but it was 3 months ago, and it still has nothing to do with Ubuntu Touch :)
 Yep
 Unless it was Ubuntu touch
 Lmao
 which it clearly isn't because no lomiri :)
 Someone ran MATE when it was canonical
 @Javacookies [transmission-qt and 2048-qt are like this], eh? 2048-qt works fine
 on devel?
 i mean the desktop app, not the one on openstore
 well i can't swipe
 yes i installed it on my nexus4 just now
 and ran it via ssh session with `T_SCALE_FACTOR=1.5 DESKTOP_FILE_HINT=2048-qt /usr/games/2048-qt`
 and it comes up and exposes its menu in the global menu
 opening about and such though is not pretty
 and for some reason didn't actually exit when swiping it away
 @Javacookies [i mean the desktop app, not the one on openstore], were you running it under libertine?
 no, installed in root
 so running on mir not xmir
 yeah it "works"
 but i don't see how some of these issues wouldn't have been issues before
 these apps were working fine prior the qt55.12 upgrade
 define "fine"
 also, installing legacy apps in rootfs was never supported
 so whether it 'worked fine' before or not is mostly irrelevant :)
 oh you are right, 2048 still works, I think it's the other qt desktop apps I tried like transmission and qupzilla that just shows blank
 @dohbee [so whether it 'worked fine' before or not is mostly irrelevant :)], well not really in this case since these are Qt apps and technically they can be packaged as click and run on mirclient, not xmir
 though definitely not an immediate issue
 @Javacookies [well not really in this case since these are Qt apps and technically they can be …], well do that and then let's talk about what works and doesn't when you have to run them confined :)
 like I said, not an urgent issue 😛
 I don't really use those apps, I installed them to test the global menu and ee how qt desktop apps work natively 😄
 but they would still be running with xmir by default
 even installed in rootfs
 whether something uses xmir or not isn't determined by install method
 I think Qt apps don't use xmir by default
 they do
 I remember trying to install them via libertine and global menu wasn't working so I assumed global menu doesn't work on xmir
 it has nothing to do with the toolkit used or method of install
 @Javacookies [I remember trying to install them via libertine and global menu wasn't working s …], no, it's probably just something with libertine that is missing
 well I just tried on libertine,it's not opening 😅
 make sure to update the container
 if your container is old, there might be some incompatibilities with the changes in the host
[16:57] <ubptgbot> Singleton was added by: Singleton
[17:17] <ubptgbot> Tim F was added by: Tim F
[17:22] <ubptgbot> <Tim F> http://github.com/manjaro-pinephone/Lomiri  … Link does not work ...  … ?
[17:22] <ubptgbot> <Tim F> Fwd from UBports News Channel: Today Is Q&A Day ! … Ubuntu Touch Q&A 95 is today at 19:00 UTC. You still have time to get your questions to us. … You can post them during the live streaming on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AWxWgs0CN0 and Telegram. … Or on the Forum before the Q&A to gain priority : https://forums.ubports.com/topi
[17:22] <ubptgbot> c/5759/ubuntu-touch-q-a-95-saturday-27th-march-at-19-00-utc … UBports@telegram … #ubports:matrix.org … #UBports #UbuntuTouch #UBportsQandA #Lomiri #Miroil #OTA16 #Ubuntu
[17:26] <ubptgbot> <Tim F> http://github.com/manjaro-pinephone/Lomiri  … Link does not work ...  … ?
 @Tim F [http://github.com/manjaro-pinephone/Lomiri  … Link does not work ...  … ?], It is https://github.com/manjaro-pinephone/lomiri-dev
[17:29] <ubptgbot> <Tim F> Thanks!
[17:34] <ubptgbot> <X YZ> @Linux Guy [Can I dual boot ut with android?], Take a look at the Android Boot Manager group in Telegram.  … The devs there created a solution to multi-boot Android / VollaOS, UT and SFOS on the GS290 / Vollaphone.
 Hi everybody, is it there any news on the pinephone developement state? In particular I am interested in the Anbox support. Thank you!
 anbox has not been a priority for pinephone, so i don't think anyone has been working on it yet for UT
 Thank you, and what about the generale developement of Ubuntu touch for the pinephone?
 general development is general and ongoing :)
[18:35] <ubptgbot> naturalethic was added by: naturalethic
 I see, how long do you guess will it take to nave most of the things usable? My main concerns are calls and data
 Is there a raw data format for the Ubuntu Touch devices support -- what ever powers the this page: devices.ubuntu-touch.io -- i'd like to query the data and not have to scrape it
 @naturalethic [Is there a raw data format for the Ubuntu Touch devices support -- what ever pow …], it is generated from gitlab.com/ubports/infrastructure/devices.ubuntu-touch.io
 @naturalethic [Is there a raw data format for the Ubuntu Touch devices support -- what ever pow …], https://gitlab.com/ubports/infrastructure/devices.ubuntu-touch.io/-/tree/main/data/devices
 which is a bunch of yaml files
 but for some reason with markdown file extension o_O
 Perfect.  Thanks to you both!
[18:46] <ubptgbot> <Linux Guy> @X YZ [Take a look at the Android Boot Manager group in Telegram.  … The devs there creat …], thx a lot
 @im_not_dead_seiwer [Hello everyone. I would like to ask, who knows, maybe there is some kind of patc …], Unfortunately Anbox development has stalled. Hopefully a specialist developer will be found soon to work on it, and getting a proper webrenderer going would be a priority, but until then you'll have to use a separate Android or
[18:57] <ubptgbot> iOS device to use this application.
 Or, it might run on a different Android emulation e.g. x86 Anbox (no guarantee though; Monzo does, Revolut doesn't, for example).
 @im_not_dead_seiwer [Hello everyone. I would like to ask, who knows, maybe there is some kind of patc …], [Edit] Unfortunately Anbox development has stalled for Ubuntu Touch. Hopefully a specialist developer will be found soon to work on it, and getting a proper webrenderer going would be a priority, but until then you'll have to us
[18:58] <ubptgbot> e a separate Android or iOS device to use this application.
 @im_not_dead_seiwer [Hello everyone. I would like to ask, who knows, maybe there is some kind of patc …], How area you concluding that internet is not working in anbox?
 internet does work. people use whatsapp and stuff in anbox
 area 🤔
 @im_not_dead_seiwer [Hello everyone. I would like to ask, who knows, maybe there is some kind of patc …], [Edit] How are you concluding that internet is not working in anbox?
 Probably stuff like browsers and email clients.
 That said I know I was able to push a verification link into a PDF reader and open it for one of my banking apps last year, but certainly it wasn't a user friendly experience and they might not have the patience I leveraged for it.
 And even if they do, no guarantee that the banking app itself will work.
 @TartanSpartan [Probably stuff like browsers and email clients.], have you tried firefox focus?
 No, but I can on the Volla.
[20:47] <ubptgbot> Armin Eder was added by: Armin Eder
 I'm glad this webapp exists as I'm very likely going to be joining a coding college soon:
 https://open-store.io/app/slack-base-webapp-chat
 @arthurabdulin [<reply to unk>], Might be worth adding the xperia X to that list? There seem to be quite some users for that. Although 21 votes does not cover our userbase - hopefully... 😉
 @Danfro [Might be worth adding the xperia X to that list? There seem to be quite some use …], 😂  … I can't edit the poll, otherwise I would.
 Ok, never mind. 😊
 @dohbee [well do that and then let's talk about what works and doesn't when you have to r …], the calcuator app example i posted is a great one to test screen comes up blank on dev
 @mateosalta [the calcuator app example i posted is a great one to test screen comes up blank …], is it in openstore?
 does it work if rebuilt against qt 5.12?
 i could put it there if you want,
 Fwd from mateosalta: oh, this may be a regression? can anyone try this calcuator demo on stable? https://github.com/sverzegnassi/ubuntu-touch-qtwidgets-calculator-demo
 @dohbee [does it work if rebuilt against qt 5.12?], how do you do that?
 is it putting 16.04.5?
 @mateosalta [how do you do that?], build with `CLICKABLE_QT_VERSION=5.12` (assumingyou're building with clickable, since i don't see the `clickable.json` in the repo)
 yep using clickable with auto detect
 @dohbee [build with CLICKABLE_QT_VERSION=5.12 (assumingyou're building with clickable, si …], ah, awesome! i will try :)
[22:04] <ubptgbot> lllewtwo was added by: lllewtwo
 for somereason i thought the point version was enough
 hmm
 fails when built against 5.12 too
 @TartanSpartan [I'm glad this webapp exists as I'm very likely going to be joining a coding coll …], I've decided to go for it. Hopefully fullstack bootcamp will allow me to contribute (tangible) stuff to Ubuntu Touch!
 hmm, so the calculator demo works with wayland QPA, on my VM.
 (Photo, 700x700) https://irc.ubports.com/sbYFf5b2.png
 @mateosalta [the calcuator app example i posted is a great one to test screen comes up blank …], please open an issue about this
[22:33] <ubptgbot> Soettam was added by: Soettam
 Hi friends
 I have a question, please?
 I can install Ubuntu touch in a smartphone Huawei?
 We don't have any Huawei ports at the moment, and considering they have mostly locked bootloaders they won't be able to be ported by anyone sadly.
 hi willy, i would like to encourage you to check the list at devices.ubuntu-touch.io
 OK, thanks
[22:55] <ubptgbot> Tamisha Richmond was added by: Tamisha Richmond
[23:31] <ubptgbot> <Tamisha Richmond> No shit! Teesla with Ellonn Mмиsk givveawway cccryptoo!!!! https://bit.ly/381TXEX