[02:58] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[03:23] <marcoagpinto> lotuspsychje: morning
[03:23] <marcoagpinto> 3am here
[03:23] <marcoagpinto> :)
[03:23] <marcoagpinto> I am working on my thesis
[03:23] <sarnold> woo :) fun
[03:24] <lotuspsychje> with a cola? :p
[03:24] <marcoagpinto> I am a lazy arse... I was trying to work on this part last week but the PDF I found on Internet with the informations isn't text but images, so I can't search for keywords
[03:24] <marcoagpinto> this gives a ton of extra work
[03:24] <marcoagpinto> yes, with cola
[03:25] <marcoagpinto> I won't risk opening the PDF with Word 365 as it may contain virus
[03:25] <marcoagpinto> :)
[03:26] <marcoagpinto> it is from the US military
[03:26] <marcoagpinto> in 2012 in the masters I went to the military academy to copy my PowerPoint for the exam and my pen drive got infected with a virus which  no antivirus found
[03:27] <marcoagpinto> only after I inserted the pen drive in Ubuntu is when I saw hidden files
[03:27] <sarnold> marcoagpinto: have you tried https://github.com/manisandro/gImageReader or similar tools?
[03:27] <marcoagpinto> ahhhh
[03:27] <lotuspsychje> you exchange data with the military?
[03:27] <marcoagpinto> :)
[03:27] <lotuspsychje> got fancy friends marcoagpinto
[03:27] <marcoagpinto> lotuspsychje: I studied in the military academy
[03:27] <marcoagpinto> :)
[03:27] <lotuspsychje> wow wow
[03:27] <lotuspsychje> no cola jokes from me here
[03:28] <marcoagpinto> https://marcoagpinto.com/me_militarymasters.html
[03:29] <sarnold> lol the can of coke
[03:29] <marcoagpinto> yes, a gift
[03:29] <marcoagpinto> :)
[03:29] <marcoagpinto> I was forbidden to drink cola at the academy, but I was offered one after the exam
[03:30] <lotuspsychje> haha
[03:31] <sarnold> cool :D
[03:35] <marcoagpinto> damn militaries have virus no software can detect
[03:35] <marcoagpinto> :)
[03:35] <marcoagpinto> it is always dangerous
[07:41] <ducasse> good morning
[09:40] <marcoagpinto> ahhhh... back from some sleep
=== lotuspsychje_ is now known as lotuspsychje
[14:51] <lotuspsychje> ogra: just tested out snapd purge from our previous discuss, works like a charm without issues
[14:51] <ogra> indeed 🙂
[14:51] <lotuspsychje> unloads all the related snap loops and snap store and done
[14:52] <lotuspsychje> tnx for the hint!
[15:06] <Maik> lotuspsychje: consuming too much memory?
[15:06] <lotuspsychje> Maik: no, it was a test for myself after a conversation with ogra
[15:07] <Maik> ah ok
[15:07] <lotuspsychje> i always thought snapd removed essential gnome base parts aswell, wich it did not
[15:07] <Maik> indeed ;)
[15:08] <lotuspsychje> i dont mind snapd by default, but handy to know it can be a choice afterall
[15:56] <imrjd> users should have the choice to install either from a deb based package or snap
[15:57] <lotuspsychje> imrjd: at ubuntu setup you mean?
[15:58] <imrjd> from app store
[16:00] <lotuspsychje> imrjd: there's snap-store vs gnome-sofware
[16:00] <imrjd> if Pop-os can do it why not Ubuntu
[16:01] <lotuspsychje> how does popOs handle it?
[16:02] <oerheks> interesting, does pop os offer all snap packages as deb? no.
[16:02] <oerheks> all latest version as deb? no.
[16:02] <imrjd> no, we can select if we want to install as a deb or a snap
[16:02] <imrjd> in ubuntu the source is only snap
[16:03] <oerheks> so.... does pop os offer all snap packages as deb?
[16:03] <imrjd> yes
[16:03] <imrjd> i had Pop-os for a while
[16:03] <oerheks> no, it does not.
[16:06] <imrjd> then?
[16:06] <oerheks> i think you mix up with flatpak
[16:06] <leftyfb> imrjd: since popOS is derived from Ubuntu, what you are saying makes no sense. If a package is only available as a snap ubuntu and there's no .deb package, then PopOS does not have a .deb available
[16:07] <leftyfb> imrjd: can you name 1 example of where PopOS has a .deb available for a package where Ubuntu only has a snap and no .deb?
[16:07] <oerheks> skype.deb?
[16:10] <leftyfb> I don't know that I would accept skype as an example. skype.com has them available there. If PopOS has it as well, they are just copying it from there. Also http://apt.pop-os.org/proprietary/pool/focal/main/binary-amd64/s/  I don't see skype listed there
[16:11] <leftyfb> imrjd: can you name 1 example of where PopOS has a .deb available for a package where Ubuntu only has a snap and no .deb?
[16:12] <oerheks> sublime text?
[16:12] <leftyfb> oerheks: are you asking or giving examples?
[16:12] <oerheks> as example
[16:12] <imrjd> Spotify
[16:14] <leftyfb> imrjd: I'm pretty sure PopOS is just copying the .deb from spotify's website and hosting it. They do not build it themselves.
[16:14] <imrjd> its available for installation
[16:18] <imrjd> you can check it out in a VM
[16:18] <imrjd> Pop-Os
[16:19] <imrjd> only reason i am ubuntu is most apps and hardware have good chance to work and supported
[16:21] <imrjd> that is why i was cribing about a deb package for spotify
[16:22] <imrjd> i want to avoid snaps as much as i can
[16:23] <oerheks> i want to avoid binairy blobs :-D
[16:24] <imrjd> snap doesn't have binary blobs
[16:25] <imrjd> In Pop-os when you go to app store which is based on elementary, you can select to install a package as a deb
[16:27] <oerheks> firefox in ubuntu-software, gives 2 instances, deb and snap
[16:27] <oerheks> just that silly spotify-client is available as snap only
[16:30] <imrjd> ubuntu just wants to shove snaps to us
[16:30] <imrjd> in ubuntu store there are two firefox, one in deb format and one in snap
[16:31] <oerheks> i would use the firefox snap if i want the newest next version
[16:32] <imrjd> wouldn't apt update it also?
[16:32] <oerheks> apt could, but snap have their own mechanism to check
[16:33] <imrjd> brb
[20:00] <sarnold> heads up, the new grub2 updates are a significant change from the past https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/grub2-secureboot-bypass-2021-and-one-grub/21200 -- we're not going to release these immediately, we're going to go through the -proposed process, if you've got time and inclination to test these out, please provide feedback on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2-unsigned/+bug/1917509
[20:01] <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1917509 in grub2-unsigned (Ubuntu) "Call for testing: grub2 security updates" [Undecided,New]
[22:36] <jeremy31> Anybody know what program to use to extract a windows exe file that file roller won't handle?
[22:37] <daftykins> is it a self extractor?
[22:38] <daftykins> if you could pop it somewhere online i don't mind taking a stab
[22:38] <jeremy31> Not sure, it is for a wireless driver
[22:39] <jeremy31> It is the first one at https://www.totolink.net/home/menu/detail/menu_listtpl/download/id/128/ids/36.html
[22:40] <jeremy31> The linux driver is for Ralink but the device has a Realtek USB ID
[22:40] <daftykins> hrmm the top V3 link is giving me a zip
[22:40] <jeremy31> daftykins: A exe packed in a zip
[22:40] <daftykins> gotcha, judged too quick xD
[22:41] <jeremy31> I thought it would be easy when I saw the zip file
[22:43] <daftykins> just having a play with it, 7-zip had no idea what to do which is rare
[22:44] <jeremy31> I think I tried that and innoextract
[22:47] <daftykins> ah ha got it
[22:47] <daftykins> one mo
[22:48] <daftykins> ok if i PM to share the link? don't want it in public logs :D
[22:49] <jeremy31> daftykins: try a PM now
[23:07] <sarnold> binwalk may know how to cope
[23:09] <daftykins> it was one of those evil installshield wrappers where you can't even view the contents of the .cab that sneakily unzips to %temp% upon run
[23:10] <daftykins> jeremy31: this something you just bought?