| ubptgbot | <mateosalta> @dohbee [@mateosalta @Javacookies did either of you open an issue about the "blank" windo …], I need to, currently work days for me, will do in the next few days | 00:13 |
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| ubptgbot | <TotalSonic> [Edit] Volla is the most powerful, and full featured, except it does not support sending to external display yet. Calls and 2G work with T-mobile, but to get LTE mobile data I had to go to using dual sim with an extra account with AT&T. | 00:26 |
| ubptgbot | <TotalSonic> @Andrew B [Looking to use Ubuntu touch os on galaxy s21 any tips or tricks I should know? A …], There is no current support for it, and it would be incredibly difficult to port, since it comes with Android 11 and an Exynos chip. | 01:10 |
| ubptgbot | <TotalSonic> @OverLordKDOne [I have Xiaomi Redmi Note 9 Pro, how to install Ubuntu Touch?], There is no current support for it, and porting would be difficult due to it shipping with Android 10. You can attempt to port it yourself by following the info at http://docs.halium.org/en/latest/porting/first-steps.html … and … http://docs.ubports.com/en | 01:16 |
| ubptgbot | /latest/porting/Intro.html … Also http://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/porting/halium_9/Halium_9_GSI_porting.html | 01:16 |
| ubptgbot | <the_cave_dweller> Hi, has anyone been able to get usb audio working? | 02:27 |
| ubptgbot | <the_cave_dweller> I have a dac that I regularly use on linux and it doesnt seem no redirect the output | 02:28 |
| ubptgbot | <the_cave_dweller> To* | 02:28 |
| ubptgbot | <Fuseteam> android devices use android device specific kernels, the driver may not be included in your device kernel | 02:44 |
| ubptgbot | <the_cave_dweller> You mean it may wont even work on android?, I'm on a Vollaphone | 02:47 |
| ubptgbot | <Fuseteam> yes it may not work on android | 02:49 |
| ubptgbot | <Fuseteam> [Edit] yes it may not work on even android | 02:49 |
| ubptgbot | a2har was added by: a2har | 03:14 |
| ubptgbot | <ManoelTecnologia> (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/hnc1dLu6.mp4 | 03:18 |
| ubptgbot | ElinaUk was added by: ElinaUk | 03:33 |
| ubptgbot | Mat Coma was added by: Mat Coma | 04:08 |
| ubptgbot | <nachodorito> I've been thinking of porting Ubuntu Touch to the moto g5 plus cause the GSI process is too cumbersome... Anyone got tips? | 04:50 |
| ubptgbot | PreetamB was added by: PreetamB | 05:29 |
| ubptgbot | <TotalSonic> @nachodorito [I've been thinking of porting Ubuntu Touch to the moto g5 plus cause the GSI pro …], There's a Telegram group on porting here - https://t.me/ubports_porting | 05:40 |
| ubptgbot | <nachodorito> Thx! | 05:40 |
| ubptgbot | ruditimmer was added by: ruditimmer | 06:38 |
| ubptgbot | <the_cave_dweller> @Fuseteam [yes it may not work on even android], Hi, emm, it worked on android, just tested, that gives any chance to fix it on the long term? | 06:56 |
| ubptgbot | <the_cave_dweller> also, just mentioning, lsusb showed the device, but only the id | 06:56 |
| ubptgbot | <the_cave_dweller> @Fuseteam [yes it may not work on even android], [Edit] Hi, emm, it worked on android, just tested, that gives any chance to fix it on the long term, or maybe by mentioning it may be kernel related on the volla communities?, just for not losing the hope | 06:58 |
| ubptgbot | <the_cave_dweller> @Fuseteam [yes it may not work on even android], [Edit] Hi, emm, it worked on android, just tested, that gives any chance to fix it on the long term, or maybe by mentioning it might be kernel related on the volla communities?, just for not losing the hope | 06:58 |
| ubptgbot | <Flohack> @the_cave_dweller [Hi, emm, it worked on android, just tested, that gives any chance to fix it on t …], If you open a console, do dmesg -w and then plug in the device, do you see any message? | 06:58 |
| ubptgbot | <Flohack> I mean our audio routing is probably not prepared for external usb devices | 06:59 |
| ubptgbot | <the_cave_dweller> Im on android atm, flashed to test if it even worked there | 06:59 |
| ubptgbot | <the_cave_dweller> but Ill test as soon as im able to | 06:59 |
| ubptgbot | <Flohack> Oki | 06:59 |
| ubptgbot | <the_cave_dweller> thanks for the help 🥺 | 07:00 |
| ubptgbot | <NotKit> @ruditimmer have you messaged me about OP6? | 08:08 |
| ubptgbot | <NotKit> I think I saw notifications, but was a bit busy at that momemnt | 08:08 |
| ubptgbot | <ruditimmer> @NotKit [@ruditimmer have you messaged me about OP6?], It's already fixed ;) thanks! | 08:08 |
| ubptgbot | <NotKit> ok, great :) | 08:09 |
| ubptgbot | <HackerShohag> (Photo, 800x108) https://irc.ubports.com/97CenOmC.png I couldn't find anything like this | 08:22 |
| ubptgbot | Vincurl was added by: Vincurl | 09:44 |
| ubptgbot | <Vincurl> i have a xiaomi redmi 4x device can i dual boot ubuntu touch with android? | 09:46 |
| ubptgbot | <TotalSonic> @Vincurl [i have a xiaomi redmi 4x device can i dual boot ubuntu touch with android?], dual booting is currently not supported | 09:50 |
| ubptgbot | <just_carlod> @Andrew B [Looking to use Ubuntu touch os on galaxy s21 any tips or tricks I should know? A …], Samsung Galaxy S21 is way too new for ubuntu touch 😀, we need android 9/10 as a base for ubuntu touch | 09:51 |
| ubptgbot | <just_carlod> and also it needs two ports | 09:52 |
| ubptgbot | <TotalSonic> Seems there is a beta version of a fork giving arm64 support for UBsync (to sync UT devices to NextCloud servers available for testing here - checking this out now -> … https://github.com/belohoub/UBsync/releases/tag/v0.5_multiarch | 09:52 |
| ubptgbot | <TotalSonic> [Edit] Seems there is a beta version of a fork giving arm64 support for UBsync (to sync UT devices to NextCloud servers) available for testing here - checking this out now -> … https://github.com/belohoub/UBsync/releases/tag/v0.5_multiarch | 09:52 |
| ubptgbot | <Ted Rendol> Meizu pro 5 android ver. is it work on ubports installer? Is it possible to unlock? | 10:00 |
| ubptgbot | <TotalSonic> @Ted Rendol [Meizu pro 5 android ver. is it work on ubports installer? Is it possible to unlo …], Yes, instructions are here - https://forums.ubports.com/topic/2755/meizu-pro-5-flyme-os-to-ubuntu-touch-modem-update-fingerprint-function?_=1614765732104 | 10:03 |
| ubptgbot | <Alexi> hi everybody, is it there a chance to see a port for Nokia n900? Thank you! | 10:10 |
| ubptgbot | <hacker12455> given the ram amount | 10:12 |
| ubptgbot | <hacker12455> I highly doubt it | 10:13 |
| ubptgbot | <Fuseteam> @the_cave_dweller [Hi, emm, it worked on android, just tested, that gives any chance to fix it on t …], great, then there's a chance it could be fixed 😎 | 10:13 |
| ubptgbot | <Alexi> I see, thank you! | 10:13 |
| ubptgbot | <TotalSonic> @Alexi [hi everybody, is it there a chance to see a port for Nokia n900? Thank you!], yup, the device is unfortunately too old and underpowered in order to run Ubuntu Touch. | 10:18 |
| ubptgbot | <TotalSonic> @Alexi [hi everybody, is it there a chance to see a port for Nokia n900? Thank you!], [Edit] the device is unfortunately too old and underpowered in order to run Ubuntu Touch. | 10:19 |
| ubptgbot | <Alexi> I get the point, that would be nice however | 10:19 |
| ubptgbot | <hacker12455> you'd be much better off using postmarketO there | 10:19 |
| ubptgbot | <hacker12455> [Edit] you'd be much better off using postmarketOS there | 10:19 |
| ubptgbot | <Alexi> I already have that, but I was wondering about UT | 10:20 |
| ubptgbot | <Alexi> so which is the minimum ram amount to run UT? | 10:20 |
| ubptgbot | <TronFortyTwo> @Alexi [so which is the minimum ram amount to run UT?], Supported device with least RAM have 1G, but it's not a very pleasing experience... | 10:21 |
| ubptgbot | <TotalSonic> @TotalSonic [Seems there is a beta version of a fork giving arm64 support for UBsync (to sync …], Testing this I am able to setup my account and sync folders with it, but get an error message when I try to Start the sync. | 10:21 |
| ubptgbot | <Alexi> I see | 10:21 |
| ubptgbot | <Fuseteam> how much ram does it have? | 10:23 |
| ubptgbot | <TotalSonic> @Alexi [so which is the minimum ram amount to run UT?], minimum really should be 2GB of RAM for a reasonable experience, but really 3GB RAM is what is needed for decent performance, as far as the devices I've used go | 10:23 |
| ubptgbot | <TotalSonic> @Fuseteam [how much ram does it have?], 256mb | 10:23 |
| ubptgbot | <Fuseteam> .......cool | 10:23 |
| ubptgbot | <TotalSonic> @Fuseteam [how much ram does it have?], https://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_n900-2917.php | 10:23 |
| ubptgbot | <Alexi> I have used UT on bq aquaris E4.5 which has 1gb, and I must say I never had big issues | 10:24 |
| ubptgbot | <TotalSonic> It's a venerable and iconic device, but it's sun has pretty much set. | 10:24 |
| ubptgbot | <Fuseteam> @Alexi [I have used UT on bq aquaris E4.5 which has 1gb, and I must say I never had big …], same on the E5 tbh | 10:24 |
| ubptgbot | <TotalSonic> That's because the BQ's were using zram and swapping | 10:25 |
| ubptgbot | <Fuseteam> tho on those devices we essentially have 1.5 gigs of ram thanks to zram | 10:25 |
| ubptgbot | <Fuseteam> @TotalSonic [That's because the BQ's were using zram and swapping], no swap 👀 | 10:25 |
| ubptgbot | <TotalSonic> @Fuseteam [no swap 👀], ok, virtual space then | 10:26 |
| ubptgbot | <Fuseteam> nah just compressing in memory | 10:26 |
| ubptgbot | <TotalSonic> (Photo, 1080x2340) https://irc.ubports.com/ssjDAD7j.png | 10:27 |
| ubptgbot | <TotalSonic> UBsync arm64 beta error. So close, yet so far away | 10:27 |
| ubptgbot | <TotalSonic> @Fuseteam [nah just compressing in memory], ok, thanks for the correction | 10:28 |
| ubptgbot | <TotalSonic> ... it still slows down processing relative to regular RAM use though | 10:28 |
| ubptgbot | <Fuseteam> not sure, i don't have a 2 gig phone to compare it with | 10:29 |
| ubptgbot | <Javacookies> @Fuseteam [not sure, i don't have a 2 gig phone to compare it with], you should really get more UT devices 😝 | 10:37 |
| ubptgbot | <X YZ> @Alexi [I already have that, but I was wondering about UT], OT here, but I was wondering what your experience with pmOS on n900 is, since I consider reviving mine for that purpose ... are you in https://t.me/pmOS_unofficial? | 10:43 |
| ubptgbot | <Ted Rendol> @TotalSonic [Yes, instructions are here - https://forums.ubports.com/topic/2755/meizu-pro-5-f …], Thenx | 10:45 |
| ubptgbot | <Alexi> X Many things are not yet supported, not the calls when I tried last time, and for sending SMSs you do have to use a script | 10:46 |
| ubptgbot | <Alexi> of course no camera etc. | 10:47 |
| ubptgbot | <Alexi> so definitely not for daily use | 10:47 |
| ubptgbot | <X YZ> @Alexi [so definitely not for daily use], I think I could then rather use it as a little portable computer, maybe to keep passwords and stuff separate from the main system ... ? | 10:52 |
| ubptgbot | <Alexi> yes, that would work | 10:53 |
| ubptgbot | <Alexi> and as a terminal computer will be great"! | 10:53 |
| ubptgbot | <Alexi> [Edit] and as a terminal computer will be great! | 10:53 |
| ubptgbot | <Alexi> and the default i3wm GUI is quite functional | 10:53 |
| ubptgbot | <Alexi> but you can have xkcd or mate as well | 10:54 |
| ubptgbot | <Alexi> but something terminal-based would be better usable | 10:54 |
| ubptgbot | <Alexi> as many things work from the terminal | 10:54 |
| ubptgbot | <the_cave_dweller> (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/3yLTwckA.txt | 10:59 |
| ubptgbot | <the_cave_dweller> 🙂✌️ Tnx, I hope it helps on anything on the long term, that's the output from one of the dacs | 11:00 |
| ubptgbot | <X YZ> @Alexi [yes, that would work], Thanks, sounds promising. So one more little project for when I find the time... 📱😃 | 12:27 |
| ubptgbot | <Alexi> X but you can also watch videos on the go and many things together | 12:43 |
| ubptgbot | STORRRN was added by: STORRRN | 12:55 |
| ubptgbot | <mateosalta> @Javacookies [you should really get more UT devices 😝], all the devices! ;p | 13:39 |
| ubptgbot | Volfoni was added by: Volfoni | 15:47 |
| ubptgbot | Giberon was added by: Giberon | 15:52 |
| ubptgbot | <Giberon> Hi … How to install ubuntu touch on Ubuntu 20.04 … I'm not find the ubuntu-emulator in repository apt | 15:53 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> there is no emulator | 15:56 |
| ubptgbot | <Giberon> i know | 15:58 |
| ubptgbot | <Giberon> ubuntu-emulator | 15:58 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> what are you trying to install exactly? | 15:58 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> there is no emulator for ubuntu touch. | 15:59 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> there is nothing which simulates ubuntu touch running on a phone, on your pc | 15:59 |
| ubptgbot | <Giberon> realy? | 16:01 |
| ubptgbot | <Giberon> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Emulator | 16:01 |
| ubptgbot | <Giberon> What this? | 16:01 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> that is very old, never worked well, and is not maintained | 16:01 |
| ubptgbot | <Giberon> @dohbee [that is very old, never worked well, and is not maintained], It's a very bad news :( | 16:02 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> not really. but you are welcome to try and get something working again | 16:05 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> there is https://github.com/ubports/utqemu which sort of runs UT in a VM, but it is not the same experience as a phone, and not everything necessarily works well | 16:06 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> it would be nice if it could be tweaked to run with a framebuffer in phone dimensions, and such | 16:07 |
| ubptgbot | <Volfoni> Hello! Could anybody please let me know how I can disable ipv6 on my Aquaris M10 FHD? I tried this butbit doesn't work: https://pad.ubports.com/p/nm-battery-experiment | 16:14 |
| ubptgbot | <Soscat House> @fredldotme [To everyone using the Google Pixel 3a on the devel channel: An upgrade to todays …], Thank You! Switched over to Dev. Let me know if you want any specific feedback... | 16:17 |
| ubptgbot | <fredldotme> @Soscat House [Thank You! Switched over to Dev. Let me know if you want any specific feedback …], In case of problems I'd suggest going to the forums: https://forums.ubports.com/category/69/google-pixel-3a-3a-xl … We can then find out what the problems are and make a bug report afterwards. | 16:19 |
| ubptgbot | <fredldotme> And thank you for using the port! | 16:19 |
| ubptgbot | <Volfoni> @Volfoni [Hello! Could anybody please let me know how I can disable ipv6 on my Aquaris M10 …], Anyone?? | 16:55 |
| ubptgbot | <nachodorito> Idk mate | 16:55 |
| ubptgbot | <Volfoni> :( | 16:57 |
| ubptgbot | David was added by: David | 17:26 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> @Volfoni [Hello! Could anybody please let me know how I can disable ipv6 on my Aquaris M10 …], what exactly is the problem? | 17:27 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> well the instructions are slightly wrong there | 17:29 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> you need to use `sudo vi` to create/edit the file mentioned | 17:29 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> (pico or nano can be used instead if you prefer, too) | 17:30 |
| ubptgbot | <David> Hi all, many people here running ut on Pinephone? | 17:30 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> @David [Hi all, many people here running ut on Pinephone?], there's also a specific group for that at https://t.me/utonpine | 17:30 |
| ubptgbot | <David> @dohbee [there's also a specific group for that at https://t.me/utonpine], Ah, great | 17:31 |
| ubptgbot | <David> Thanks @dohbee | 17:31 |
| ubptgbot | <PhoenixLandPirate> (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/tY40GyPI.png | 17:39 |
| ubptgbot | <PhoenixLandPirate> The new teleports update 💕 | 17:39 |
| ubptgbot | <nachodorito> Oooooo | 17:39 |
| ubptgbot | <PhoenixLandPirate> The tab thing!!! | 17:39 |
| ubptgbot | <nachodorito> Also aubrey pfp cool | 17:39 |
| ubptgbot | <amyosx> Nice | 17:41 |
| ubptgbot | <amyosx> Does it crash with 200 groups still | 17:41 |
| ubptgbot | <Flohack> @amyosx [Does it crash with 200 groups still], I habe more than 200 probably and crashing is better though not 100% fixed | 17:51 |
| ubptgbot | <amyosx> Ahh ok | 17:51 |
| ubptgbot | <amyosx> Will my m10 hate me again? Lmao | 17:51 |
| ubptgbot | <amyosx> That's my main UT device | 17:51 |
| ubptgbot | <amyosx> I can use with my keyboard + mouse | 17:51 |
| ubptgbot | Mario Karo was added by: Mario Karo | 18:10 |
| ubptgbot | <DarknessHiddenorg> Hmm latest teleports looks better and more smooth | 18:15 |
| ubptgbot | <DarknessHiddenorg> (Photo, 1080x2340) https://irc.ubports.com/2E0EASO0.png | 18:17 |
| ubptgbot | <Volfoni> @dohbee [you need to use sudo vi to create/edit the file mentioned], Well, I have to use the touch command to create it then? | 18:20 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> @Volfoni [Well, I have to use the touch command to create it then?], no | 18:21 |
| ubptgbot | <Volfoni> Could you please tell me what I have to do then? You'd be very kind! | 18:21 |
| ubptgbot | <TotalSonic> Thanks and props to @Flohack and the rest of the TELEports team for a great update!! | 18:24 |
| ubptgbot | <Flohack> @TotalSonic [Thanks and props to @Flohack and the rest of the TELEports team for a great upda …], Thanks ;) | 18:29 |
| ubptgbot | <klaartje_b> I can't wait! Is it on Dev channel for now? | 18:36 |
| ubptgbot | <azubieta> Hi, which part of utouch is responsible of URI handling? I trying to fix this `No URI handler implemented for \"https\"` | 18:40 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> @azubieta [Hi, which part of utouch is responsible of URI handling? I trying to fix this No …], where are you getting that error? | 18:41 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> because Morph is very certainly registered to handle `https` | 18:42 |
| ubptgbot | <azubieta> @dohbee [where are you getting that error?], I'm packaging podbird into an AppImage, it seems to use an external tool to download the podcasts. So I may need embed whatever handles https | 18:42 |
| ubptgbot | <azubieta> @dohbee [because Morph is very certainly registered to handle https], how this registration works? Using mime types ? | 18:43 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> @azubieta [how this registration works? Using mime types ?], not on UT no, but i doubt the issue is that | 18:44 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> podbird is using `ubuntu-download-manager` to download the casts | 18:45 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> hmm, it also depends on `Ubuntu.Connectivity` so probably not a good candidate for it to be an appimage, without a fair bit of work to make that optional | 18:45 |
| ubptgbot | <azubieta> @dohbee [podbird is using ubuntu-download-manager to download the casts], I'm already bundling this, but I'm not sure if I activated it properly | 18:47 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> @azubieta [I'm already bundling this, but I'm not sure if I activated it properly], yeah, i'm not sure it will work. | 18:48 |
| ubptgbot | <azubieta> I was hoping to pack this little app :( | 18:49 |
| ubptgbot | <azubieta> I'll play a bit with the `ubuntu-download-manager` to see if I can make it work | 18:50 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> how hard is it to make an appimage? i guess all the Qt bits and such need to be included too? | 18:53 |
| ubptgbot | <azubieta> @dohbee [how hard is it to make an appimage? i guess all the Qt bits and such need to be …], making the AppImage is quite straight forward, Qt is not an issue | 18:55 |
| ubptgbot | <azubieta> https://www.opencode.net/azubieta/unav-appimage | 18:56 |
| ubptgbot | <azubieta> https://www.opencode.net/azubieta/dekko-appimage | 18:56 |
| ubptgbot | <azubieta> In that project I used clickable to build the binaries then copied those into the AppImage with all of their dependencies | 18:57 |
| ubptgbot | <azubieta> add a few hacks to make upstart work inside the bundle | 18:58 |
| ubptgbot | <azubieta> [Edit] added a few hacks to make upstart work inside the bundle | 18:58 |
| ubptgbot | <azubieta> you can check the .gitlab-ci.yml and appimage-amd64.yml files for details | 18:59 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> hmm | 19:03 |
| ubptgbot | <azubieta> (Photo, 440x669) https://irc.ubports.com/NM1eOr0A.png I just need to make it play 😢 | 19:08 |
| ubptgbot | <mateosalta> @azubieta [<reply to media>], oh like making a desktop vesrsion? | 19:21 |
| ubptgbot | <mateosalta> perhaps https://stackoverflow.com/questions/10250332/how-to-open-a-link-in-a-default-user-browser-in-qt | 19:21 |
| ubptgbot | <azubieta> (Photo, 440x669) https://irc.ubports.com/7mkl6VcT.png It plays! I was missing some gstreamer plugins | 19:22 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> ah | 19:22 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> nice | 19:22 |
| ubptgbot | <mateosalta> awesome! | 19:22 |
| ubptgbot | <azubieta> but downloads still downloads still doesn't | 19:22 |
| ubptgbot | <azubieta> I'll keep digging | 19:23 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> iirc, download manager is dbus activated, and i don't think such things work well with appimage | 19:23 |
| ubptgbot | <azubieta> I have made work kio stuff that use dbus too | 19:24 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> well maybe you can figure it out then :) | 19:24 |
| ubptgbot | <mateosalta> yeah, check out qt's way of opening links, just have it send to the browser | 19:24 |
| ubptgbot | <azubieta> by the way I'm also missing some icons, which is the default (or most complete) theme for utouch ? | 19:25 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> suru | 19:26 |
| ubptgbot | <mateosalta> ambiance | 19:26 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> `suru-icon-theme` is probably what you need to install | 19:26 |
| ubptgbot | <azubieta> @dohbee [suru-icon-theme is probably what you need to install], already have that | 19:26 |
| ubptgbot | <mateosalta> oh i wonder if they kept the icons in | 19:26 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> @azubieta [by the way I'm also missing some icons, which is the default (or most complete) …], are there console errors? | 19:27 |
| ubptgbot | <azubieta> I see that it's a svg icon | 19:27 |
| ubptgbot | <azubieta> Maybe I'm missing the svg lib | 19:27 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> yeah you probably need `libqt5svg5` in the appimage | 19:28 |
| ubptgbot | <azubieta> it's already in, I'll focus on the download manager and will get back to the icons later | 19:30 |
| ubptgbot | <azubieta> at least I know what's wrong | 19:31 |
| ubptgbot | <arplusplus> Why don't Ubuntu Touch don't use already established stores like aptoid? Like run in partnerships and not try to reinvent entire wheel | 19:38 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> what? | 19:38 |
| ubptgbot | <UniversalSuperBox> Ubuntu Touch isn't an Android ROM and can't run APK applications. | 19:38 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> ah aptoide is an android apk thing; yeah, you've just asked why we aren't android, basically | 19:39 |
| ubptgbot | <arplusplus> @UniversalSuperBox [Ubuntu Touch isn't an Android ROM and can't run APK applications.], Oh i thought Ubuntu also wanted to depends on android apps. Hence writing that android sandbox | 19:39 |
| ubptgbot | <arplusplus> Depend* | 19:40 |
| ubptgbot | <UniversalSuperBox> Well yes, but we don't really want to be in the business of distributing Android apps too. | 19:40 |
| ubptgbot | <UniversalSuperBox> We'd just make an Android ROM if Anbox was for anything more than emergencies/the apps that will never move over. | 19:40 |
| ubptgbot | <UniversalSuperBox> It'd be way easier | 19:40 |
| ubptgbot | <arplusplus> But UT has open store? | 19:40 |
| ubptgbot | <UniversalSuperBox> I'm not sure what you're asking for | 19:40 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> we don't depend on android apps. we depend on android HAL | 19:41 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> yes, UT has open store which is apps built for UT | 19:41 |
| ubptgbot | <UniversalSuperBox> The OpenStore distributes Ubuntu Touch applications. Ubuntu Touch applications don't run on Android | 19:41 |
| ubptgbot | <arplusplus> @UniversalSuperBox [Well yes, but we don't really want to be in the business of distributing Android …], Open store? | 19:41 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> @arplusplus [Open store?], they are not android apps, and not apk format packages | 19:41 |
| ubptgbot | <arplusplus> But that's also distributing apps? Isn't it? | 19:41 |
| ubptgbot | <arplusplus> @dohbee [they are not android apps, and not apk format packages], Yaa that I get | 19:41 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> so what are you asking? | 19:42 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> we are not android | 19:42 |
| ubptgbot | <arplusplus> I was just wondering why not aptoid or something else | 19:42 |
| ubptgbot | <UniversalSuperBox> Which apps would you like to run on Ubuntu Touch? | 19:42 |
| ubptgbot | <arplusplus> Now I know idea is not run android apps | 19:42 |
| ubptgbot | <arplusplus> The idea is to give support | 19:42 |
| ubptgbot | <arplusplus> For meanwhile | 19:42 |
| ubptgbot | <fredldotme> Sure seems like a lot of effort for something temporary | 19:43 |
| ubptgbot | <arplusplus> @UniversalSuperBox [Which apps would you like to run on Ubuntu Touch?], Payment apps and maps is top on my head | 19:43 |
| ubptgbot | <arplusplus> For email. Can skip google and use protonmail | 19:43 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> @arplusplus [Payment apps and maps is top on my head], if you want such things you will need to run a proper android ROM which those apps support | 19:44 |
| ubptgbot | <arplusplus> For drive. I can use mega | 19:44 |
| ubptgbot | <UniversalSuperBox> Unfortunately, payment apps won't run under Anbox no matter how hard we try. | 19:44 |
| ubptgbot | <arplusplus> Oh ok | 19:44 |
| ubptgbot | <UniversalSuperBox> If they do, Google and the app developers would make sure they didn't. | 19:44 |
| ubptgbot | <arplusplus> What about Uber eats and delivery apps | 19:44 |
| ubptgbot | <UniversalSuperBox> See, you don't need another app store to run these apps. What you're really asking for is for Anbox to be better | 19:45 |
| ubptgbot | <arplusplus> Like I mostly am looking at only service apps for daily needa | 19:45 |
| ubptgbot | <arplusplus> Nees | 19:45 |
| ubptgbot | <arplusplus> Needs | 19:45 |
| ubptgbot | <UniversalSuperBox> Unfortunately, Anbox won't replace your whole Android phone. It won't now or ever. We can try to make some things work better, but at the end of the day you'll probably be happier running Android. | 19:45 |
| ubptgbot | <arplusplus> Got it. Thanks for explaining | 19:45 |
| ubptgbot | <arplusplus> But I think I'll understand UT more when I'll run it | 19:46 |
| ubptgbot | <arplusplus> As a daily driver | 19:46 |
| ubptgbot | <UniversalSuperBox> What you're asking for is to run the newest Microsoft Office (With Visio and Access) under Linux: Maybe it could be done with enough work, but at the end of the day it'd just be cheaper and easier to install Windows. | 19:46 |
| ubptgbot | <PiecerEdd> that being said... a lot of those services also have websites that'll run fine in the UT browser, you don't necessarily need their proper Android app (Looking at Uber Eats and Just Eat) | 19:46 |
| ubptgbot | <arplusplus> Not MS Office. Libre maybe | 19:46 |
| ubptgbot | <arplusplus> But with Phone UI. Not the PC UI | 19:47 |
| ubptgbot | <UniversalSuperBox> It's a metaphor | 19:47 |
| ubptgbot | <klaartje_b> No, not Libre because that runs natively on Linux. That is the point. | 19:47 |
| ubptgbot | <arplusplus> Write now there's no standard to build scalable apps for linux and if there's is. I don't know of one | 19:47 |
| ubptgbot | <arplusplus> Like Pc apps won't run on phone and phone apps won't run on pc | 19:48 |
| ubptgbot | <UniversalSuperBox> If you would like to change your habits so you no longer need Microsoft Office, Linux would work better for you. Likewise, if you're willing to change your habits to not rely on payment and banking apps, Ubuntu Touch would work better for you. | 19:48 |
| ubptgbot | <UniversalSuperBox> That's not an option for some people, and that's okay | 19:48 |
| ubptgbot | <arplusplus> I don't use Ms office. I use Libre on window as well | 19:49 |
| ubptgbot | <klaartje_b> It was not about Office or Libre. That was just an analogy. A way to explain something. | 19:49 |
| ubptgbot | <arplusplus> Ok but I prefer open source softwares for everything | 19:50 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> you are also welcome to ask developers of apps for other platforms to also bring their apps to Ubuntu Touch. we can't do that work ourselves as the apps you're asking about are not open source | 19:50 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> and doing so would also take time away from working on the system itself | 19:50 |
| ubptgbot | <klaartje_b> @arplusplus [Like Pc apps won't run on phone and phone apps won't run on pc], That is exactly it. 😃 | 19:50 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> @arplusplus [Like Pc apps won't run on phone and phone apps won't run on pc], they can with Ubuntu Touch, that's the point of convergence. having a single code base for an app, which can scale for different screen sizes, and handle different types of input devices | 19:51 |
| ubptgbot | <arplusplus> @dohbee [you are also welcome to ask developers of apps for other platforms to also bring …], Sure what's the android studio equivalent fot Ubuntu Touch | 19:51 |
| ubptgbot | <arplusplus> ? | 19:51 |
| ubptgbot | <arplusplus> For* | 19:51 |
| ubptgbot | <arplusplus> Java, xml(for UI) | 19:51 |
| ubptgbot | <arplusplus> Is their any adopted standard? | 19:52 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> @arplusplus [Sure what's the android studio equivalent fot Ubuntu Touch], there isn't a single IDE for developing to Ubuntu Touch target, but QtCreator is one many people use | 19:52 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> QML for UI and C++ for backend | 19:52 |
| ubptgbot | <arplusplus> Ok so basically qml and cpp | 19:52 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> yes | 19:52 |
| ubptgbot | <arplusplus> Cool thanks for all the info 🙂 | 19:52 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> or html5/javascript | 19:52 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> is also an option | 19:53 |
| ubptgbot | Aaron Hafer was added by: Aaron Hafer | 19:53 |
| ubptgbot | <arplusplus> @dohbee [or html5/javascript], Like web apps? | 19:53 |
| ubptgbot | <arplusplus> Or something like electron? | 19:53 |
| ubptgbot | <TotalSonic> The way to end up being happy using UT as a daily driver OS (which I've done for 2-1/2 years now) is to be willing to ADAPT. As such what one has to do is find the native UT and webapps that serve the desired FUNCTION (e.g. email, group messaging, file syncing, image enhancement, video, ebooks, etc.) instead of looking for the exact | 19:53 |
| ubptgbot | same Android or iOS app that one used to use fo that function. | 19:53 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> @arplusplus [Like web apps?], in Ubuntu Touch "web apps" are just glorified bookmarks to web sites. more like electronic/ionic/etc… | 19:53 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> there are a few apps in the store built with AngularJS for example | 19:54 |
| ubptgbot | <arplusplus> @TotalSonic [The way to end up being happy using UT as a daily driver OS (which I've done fo …], 🆗 | 19:54 |
| ubptgbot | <TotalSonic> @dohbee [there are a few apps in the store built with AngularJS for example], Although some webapps allow for better navigtion and scaling. | 19:54 |
| ubptgbot | <arplusplus> @dohbee [there are a few apps in the store built with AngularJS for example], Ok | 19:54 |
| ubptgbot | <TotalSonic> [Edit] The way to end up being happy using UT as a daily driver OS (which I've done for 2-1/2 years now) is to be willing to ADAPT. As such what one has to do is find the native UT and webapps that serve the desired FUNCTION (e.g. email, group messaging, file syncing, image enhancement, video, ebooks, etc.) instead of looking for the | 19:55 |
| ubptgbot | exact same Android or iOS app that one used to use for that function. | 19:55 |
| ubptgbot | <TotalSonic> [Edit] The way to end up being happy using UT as a daily driver OS (which I've done for 2-1/2 years now) is to be willing to ADAPT. As such what one has to do is find the native UT apps and webapps that serve the desired FUNCTION (e.g. email, group messaging, file syncing, image enhancement, video, ebooks, etc.) instead of looking fo | 19:56 |
| ubptgbot | r the exact same Android or iOS app that one used to use for that function. | 19:56 |
| ubptgbot | <Aaron> Hey g | 19:57 |
| ubptgbot | <arplusplus> Also last question. When do you think UT will support OnePlus 8. I'm not able to find any old OP device here in India | 19:58 |
| ubptgbot | <arplusplus> Or I can go with pine phone but someone said OP Hardware is better | 19:59 |
| ubptgbot | <Aaron> Hey guys Im Aaron a hobby dev and Floss enthusiast. So far I created WaterCount and Gem for UT and I hope this group will help me in case I have small questions about the Platform that are not worth a forum entry. | 19:59 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> @Aaron [Hey guys Im Aaron a hobby dev and Floss enthusiast. So far I created WaterCount …], you might want to join https://t.me/UbuntuAppDevEN | 20:00 |
| ubptgbot | <NotKit> @arplusplus [Also last question. When do you think UT will support OnePlus 8. I'm not able to …], see if you can find OnePlus 5/6, Pixel 3A or Redmi Note 7/8 | 20:00 |
| ubptgbot | <NotKit> it's unlikely OP8 will be supported soon since it depends on Halium 10 which is heavily WIP | 20:01 |
| ubptgbot | <Aaron> @dohbee [you might want to join https://t.me/UbuntuAppDevEN], Oh yes that might be a good Idea too 😅 | 20:01 |
| ubptgbot | <arplusplus> @NotKit [see if you can find OnePlus 5/6, Pixel 3A or Redmi Note 7/8], Found redmi note 7 | 20:01 |
| ubptgbot | <arplusplus> @NotKit [it's unlikely OP8 will be supported soon since it depends on Halium 10 which is …], WIP? | 20:02 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> not ready yet | 20:02 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> Work In Progress | 20:02 |
| ubptgbot | <arplusplus> Ok and halium is kernel? | 20:03 |
| ubptgbot | <arplusplus> For? | 20:03 |
| ubptgbot | <arplusplus> OP | 20:03 |
| ubptgbot | <arplusplus> ? | 20:03 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> halium is the android HAL part needed for running UT on Android based phones | 20:04 |
| ubptgbot | <TotalSonic> @arplusplus [Found redmi note 7], The Redmi Note 7 is really nice hardware - but currently there is a bug where phone calls echo in receiver's side. | 20:04 |
| ubptgbot | <arplusplus> @dohbee [halium is the android HAL part needed for running UT on Android based phones], 👍 | 20:04 |
| ubptgbot | <arplusplus> @TotalSonic [The Redmi Note 7 is really nice hardware - but currently there is a bug where ph …], Yes it's dirt cheap | 20:04 |
| ubptgbot | <arplusplus> Here | 20:04 |
| ubptgbot | <arplusplus> My friend has second hard mobile shop. I can even pick one for free | 20:04 |
| ubptgbot | <arplusplus> Hard*hand | 20:05 |
| ubptgbot | <nachodorito> (Photo, 1080x2340) https://irc.ubports.com/XVxBtgbc.png Im using one right now! | 20:05 |
| ubptgbot | <NotKit> looks like wrong OS :) | 20:05 |
| ubptgbot | <arplusplus> @nachodorito [<reply to media>], Wow its on redmi 7? | 20:05 |
| ubptgbot | <NotKit> but nice anyway | 20:05 |
| ubptgbot | <PiecerEdd> @nachodorito [<reply to media>], heyyyy, that's not UbPorts! get them! | 20:05 |
| ubptgbot | <nachodorito> Mwhahahahaha | 20:06 |
| ubptgbot | <PiecerEdd> @nachodorito [<reply to media>], [Edit] heyyyy, that's not UBPorts! get them! | 20:06 |
| ubptgbot | <TotalSonic> @arplusplus [Yes it's dirt cheap], I ended up putting Lineage 17.1 on mine and it runs nicely. But hopefully the issues on it with UT will get fixed (other bugs are that video recording freezes and that apps are sometimes hard to quit) | 20:06 |
| ubptgbot | <nachodorito> Im trying to get Ubuntu Touch on the moto g5 plus but my note 7 is being used as a sailfish machine rn | 20:06 |
| ubptgbot | <arplusplus> @TotalSonic [I ended up putting Lineage 17.1 on mine and it runs nicely. But hopefully the is …], I don't want to run Lineage OS | 20:06 |
| ubptgbot | <nachodorito> 😜 | 20:07 |
| ubptgbot | <arplusplus> I only want to run UT | 20:07 |
| ubptgbot | <NotKit> I'd say it's worth trying if you can get it for cheap | 20:07 |
| ubptgbot | <arplusplus> Sure | 20:07 |
| ubptgbot | <nachodorito> Yup | 20:07 |
| ubptgbot | <nachodorito> This is a nice flash phone to use | 20:08 |
| ubptgbot | <David> Lineage OS is great, I'm running it now on my Google Pixel | 20:08 |
| ubptgbot | <David> Works perfectly | 20:08 |
| ubptgbot | <arplusplus> @David [Lineage OS is great, I'm running it now on my Google Pixel], But the whole of privacy makes no sense if you have gapps on it | 20:08 |
| ubptgbot | <David> @arplusplus [But the whole of privacy makes no sense if you have gapps on it], I use microgapps | 20:09 |
| ubptgbot | <arplusplus> Still gapps right? | 20:09 |
| ubptgbot | <arplusplus> Micro or mini | 20:09 |
| ubptgbot | <wayneTBT> @TotalSonic [UBsync arm64 beta error. So close, yet so far away], oohhh, best of luck with that. Im eagerly awaiting that one. | 20:09 |
| ubptgbot | <PiecerEdd> Android and "works perfectly" is still a strange concept to me | 20:09 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> @David [I use microgapps], microG, or gapps? | 20:09 |
| ubptgbot | <nachodorito> Lol i use gapps and tiktok. I dont care bout my data, i akready sold my soul to google 😜 | 20:10 |
| ubptgbot | <arplusplus> @nachodorito [Lol i use gapps and tiktok. I dont care bout my data, i akready sold my soul to …], Sad | 20:10 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> though we're getting a bit off topic with that. lineage isn't our goal or focus :) | 20:10 |
| ubptgbot | <TotalSonic> @arplusplus [I don't want to run Lineage OS], That's why I use my Volla Phone running UT as my daily driver instead. | 20:10 |
| ubptgbot | <arplusplus> 👍👍 | 20:11 |
| ubptgbot | <arplusplus> I might not get volla phone in India | 20:11 |
| ubptgbot | <David> @dohbee [microG, or gapps?], Micro g, its an opensource reimplementation of the essential Google services which many apps rely on | 20:11 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> @David [Micro g, its an opensource reimplementation of the essential Google services whi …], yeah, but it's not gapps | 20:12 |
| ubptgbot | <David> @dohbee [though we're getting a bit off topic with that. lineage isn't our goal or focus …], Yes agreed. Its a good privacy conscious alternative to Android for people who aren't ready to adopt Linux on the smartphone | 20:12 |
| ubptgbot | <arplusplus> @David [Micro g, its an opensource reimplementation of the essential Google services whi …], I'll check it. But it's about data right. Not code. So many google projects are open source | 20:12 |
| ubptgbot | <arplusplus> End game is not code. It's data | 20:12 |
| ubptgbot | <TotalSonic> @wayneTBT [oohhh, best of luck with that. Im eagerly awaiting that one.], I'm not the developer for this - just a tester. Let me know if it works any better for you, if you can try it out. | 20:12 |
| ubptgbot | <David> @arplusplus [I'll check it. But it's about data right. Not code. So many google projects are …], Correct | 20:12 |
| ubptgbot | <arplusplus> ? | 20:12 |
| ubptgbot | <David> @dohbee [yeah, but it's not gapps], Sorry you're right, it's not | 20:12 |
| ubptgbot | <David> It's just a rewritten library for Google services framework | 20:13 |
| ubptgbot | <David> https://microg.org/ | 20:13 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> microG is not from google | 20:13 |
| ubptgbot | <David> @dohbee [microG is not from google], 👍 | 20:13 |
| ubptgbot | <arplusplus> Like vanced is also not from google | 20:13 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> gsf is not open source | 20:13 |
| ubptgbot | <TotalSonic> @arplusplus [I might not get volla phone in India], They might be able to ship it to you - but check the frequency bands it runs, as it might not be compatible with Indian carriers | 20:14 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> but Ubuntu Touch doesn't use any of it :) | 20:14 |
| ubptgbot | <wayneTBT> @TotalSonic [I'm not the developer for this - just a tester. Let me know if it works any bett …], Ah, it doesnt even appear on the openstore for me but I understand its under development I think. | 20:14 |
| ubptgbot | <arplusplus> So microg apps don't access google services? | 20:14 |
| ubptgbot | <nachodorito> It does access googles servers | 20:15 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> it is off topic for here. if you'd like to continue discussing microg and android, you can perhaps do so in https://t.me/UBportsOF our group for overflow and off topic chatter | 20:15 |
| ubptgbot | <TotalSonic> @wayneTBT [Ah, it doesnt even appear on the openstore for me but I understand its under dev …], You can download and install the click from here - https://github.com/belohoub/UBsync/releases/tag/v0.5_multiarch | 20:16 |
| ubptgbot | <David> @dohbee [it is off topic for here. if you'd like to continue discussing microg and androi …], Thanks Rodney | 20:17 |
| ubptgbot | <wayneTBT> @TotalSonic [You can download and install the click from here - https://github.com/belohoub/U …], Ah, thanks … Mine fails to start at the same place. | 20:23 |
| ubptgbot | <TotalSonic> @wayneTBT [Ah, thanks … Mine fails to start at the same place.], Oh well. At least it's a start - no pun intended. One of the few apps I really miss on arm64 still - but as a workaround I just am doing synced backups and file transfers via Syncthing now. | 20:29 |
| ubptgbot | <wayneTBT> Ok, yeah, its one I do miss from the arm64 still also. Im just copying files via ssh currently. Not really ideal but gets the job done. | 20:30 |
| ubptgbot | <TotalSonic> The other armhf apps I really wish there was arm64 versions of are uWriter and Snowball World - the latter obviously not being a critical issue though. | 20:32 |
| ubptgbot | <wayneTBT> I'll have to look into those. The other on Im missing is WakeIt, which is a WOL app. | 20:41 |
| ubptgbot | <TotalSonic> @wayneTBT [I'll have to look into those. The other on Im missing is WakeIt, which is a WOL …], That one was updated to arm64 I believe - check the Open Store | 20:42 |
| ubptgbot | <wayneTBT> yeah I did install and check it recently but it is coming up with an error on the log viewer app. | 20:43 |
| ubptgbot | <TotalSonic> Oh - did not know that | 20:43 |
| ubptgbot | <LSolrac> I've a question; now that Flutter 2 is released and Canoncal decided to make it it's main thing for their apps; are there any plans to make flutter usable in UBPorts? | 20:55 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> @LSolrac [I've a question; now that Flutter 2 is released and Canoncal decided to make it …], it will "just work" in the future when we've fully switched to Wayland, i guess | 20:57 |
| ubptgbot | <wayneTBT> @TotalSonic [Oh - did not know that], The log viewer app also brings up a few error messages for ubsync also... 'start: Job failed to start' | 21:53 |
| ubptgbot | <TotalSonic> @wayneTBT [The log viewer app also brings up a few error messages for ubsync also... 'star …], Maybe you can report them to the developer at the Git link the click is from | 21:54 |
| ubptgbot | <wayneTBT> True. Will try and work my way around that, Im not very au fait with the testing \ reporting process. | 21:54 |
| ubptgbot | <wayneTBT> Ok, I submitted the issue. | 22:01 |
| ubptgbot | apartness1919 was added by: apartness1919 | 22:08 |
| ubptgbot | <TotalSonic> @wayneTBT [Ok, I submitted the issue.], thank you! | 22:37 |
| ubptgbot | <apartness1919> (Photo, 697x937) https://irc.ubports.com/wQtg5hPy.png | 22:49 |
| ubptgbot | <H@ñß9ñ> Hi where can I join community that learn Linux on discord? | 22:51 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> @H@ñß9ñ [Hi where can I join community that learn Linux on discord?], https://lmddgtfy.net | 22:55 |
| ubptgbot | <UniversalSuperBox> @H@ñß9ñ [Hi where can I join community that learn Linux on discord?], We aren't exactly a community on Discord, but I wish you luck in your search :) | 22:56 |
| ubptgbot | <H@ñß9ñ> 🤔 | 22:57 |
| ubptgbot | <H@ñß9ñ> @dohbee [https://lmddgtfy.net], How to use this link? | 22:57 |
| ubptgbot | <UniversalSuperBox> He's telling you to search for it yourself. I would have used more words to make it less direct but basically said the same thing | 22:58 |
| ubptgbot | <OverLordKDOne> Fwd from Google Pixels: Google releases [Android 12 Developer Preview 1.1 with bug fixes](https://9to5google.com/2021/03/03/android-12-developer-preview-1-1/) | 23:11 |
| ubptgbot | <TotalSonic> @OverLordKDOne [Google releases Android 12 Developer Preview 1.1 with bug fixes], This is off topic of this group | 23:13 |
| ubptgbot | <OverLordKDOne> @TotalSonic [This is off topic of this group], Ok.... | 23:13 |
| ubptgbot | <mateosalta> lol, is that a spam bot? | 23:13 |
| ubptgbot | <OverLordKDOne> @mateosalta [lol, is that a spam bot?], What | 23:13 |
| ubptgbot | <TartanSpartan> @azubieta [https://www.opencode.net/azubieta/dekko-appimage], I like this because I have no up-to-date UT device until my Volla arrives in a few days, so it reminds me of the more modern features in Dekko. I really wish I could do a swipe to refresh on my 15.04 M10 tablet! | 23:17 |
| ubptgbot | <mateosalta> the volla phone is nice | 23:20 |
| ubptgbot | <mateosalta> @TartanSpartan [I like this because I have no up-to-date UT device until my Volla arrives in a f …], are you in europe area? | 23:20 |
| ubptgbot | <TartanSpartan> Used to be UK, now in western Canada. | 23:22 |
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