[00:00] <sarnold> clarkk: wow that's pretty crazy.. you could try to strace chrome while it's running to get a good feeling for what exactly it's trying to do
[00:01] <sarnold> but that might not work .. perhaps perf record if it forbids strace
[00:01] <matsaman> clarkk: it makes little sense to use upstream binaries when there are Ubuntu provided ones
[00:02] <matsaman> you might also consider using chromium instead of chrome, as chromium is built by sane people
[00:02] <matsaman> the packages, that is (but also the source code is better managed)
[00:09] <clarkk> matsaman, when you say that there are ubuntu provided ones, where can I find them?  It's not in the apt repo
[00:12] <matsaman> clarkk: you're right I don't see it, apologies
[00:12] <matsaman> that's pretty weird
[00:12] <matsaman> I guess Debian got tired of building packages, can't blame them chromium is a nightmare to build
[00:12] <clarkk> that's ok. Just checking. Thanks
[00:12] <notobvious> it's available as a snap
[00:13] <sarnold> there's a chromium snap, afaik no chrome snap
[00:13] <sarnold> chromium probably can't log in to google services
[00:13] <matsaman> sarnold: what services?
[00:13] <kk4ewt> sarnold, try it and see
[00:13] <matsaman> notobvious: weird
[00:15] <malice30> sarnold: Thanks you for your help :)
[00:15] <sarnold> matsaman: "Chrome sync and Click to Call" https://blog.chromium.org/2021/01/limiting-private-api-availability-in.html
[00:16] <sarnold> bye malice30 :) have fun
[00:17] <clarkk> sarnold, yes, that's what I can't really do without
[00:17] <clarkk> (google signin)
[00:19] <matsaman> sarnold: I'm guessing 0 people use those =P
[00:19] <sarnold> matsaman: click to call, perhaps, but I've heard more than a few people say they like the synced bookmarks and whatnot
[00:19] <matsaman> oh the times =)
[00:20] <clarkk> yeah, if you disable password sync, it's a good feature
[00:21] <matsaman> clarkk: given how unique upstream chrome binary is going to be, I'd say find out how to silence it / keep it out of your logs and call it a day
[00:22] <sarnold> I suggesat reporting it as a bug :) no one needs that kind of noise
[00:22] <matsaman> looking online, it seems to be reported all over
[00:22] <matsaman> corporations like ignoring bugs =)
[00:23] <clarkk> it looks to me like gnome-shell is logging it
[00:24] <sarnold> perhaps, but if it stops when you kill chrome, that's reason enough to ask chrome devs about it
[00:27] <matsaman> clarkk: honestly I'd just go into your logger and figure out how to omit those
[00:34] <clarkk> sarnold, good idea - I reported the bug via the built-in reporting feature in chrome.
[00:34] <clarkk> matsaman, do you have any idea how I could go about that?
[00:36] <matsaman> I'd guess you're using systemd
[00:38] <clarkk> matsaman, whatever's default in ubuntu 20.04
[00:40] <matsaman> clarkk: maybe this: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/335836/how-to-not-log-some-messages-in-systemd-journal
[00:40] <matsaman> sounds like systemd sucks even more than I thought (which is amazing =P), but still should be doable
[00:58] <eelstrebor> i don't know what happened but the login screen got rotated 90 degrees ccw - how do i correct this?
[01:08] <clarkk> sarnold, thanks for your help. I filtered the messages out of the syslog using an rsyslog config, :msg,contains,"Address family not supported by protocol" /var/log/chrome-errors.log
[01:09] <sarnold> clarkk: cool, thanks for reporting the issue :)
[01:13] <clarkk> I have another issue, I'm afraid. I'm trying to enable notify-osd from cron, as per this script:  https://github.com/tylerjwilk/pingcheck
[01:14] <clarkk> I've confirmed the script runs as expected. When the script is run from cron, it logs to syslog, but it doesn't display a notification (unlike when it is run from the terminal)
[01:14] <clarkk> does anyone have any ideas how I can make the notifications work?
[01:25] <clarkk> I changed the DISPLAY variable in   * * * * * env DISPLAY=:0.0 /home/username/bin/pingcheck 192.168.1.1 HomeRouter 2>&1   to DISPLAY=:1, and it works now
[01:25] <clarkk> not sure why it worked fine before from the terminal
[01:27] <sarnold> from the terminal it'll inherit the correct DISPLAY and XAUTHORITY variables from the shell
[03:43] <Hash> Hi gys
[03:45] <Hash> https://www.twitch.tv/videos/934947306 I am using ubuntu 20.04. I have OBS studio. I have a windows 10 virtualbox machine. I have a NEEWAR mic that plugs into sound mic (not a usb mic). When I record streams or video in OBS studio, they sound like this. I can hear myself in a latent echo. If I stop OBS sound capture, I no longer get an echo, but then it sounds like this. Does anyone have any idea
[03:45] <Hash> what to do here? Tips? Thoughts?
[03:53] <bobdobbs> I'm using ubuntu 20.04. I'm using gnome as the window manager. When I hit 'PrtSc', the screen flashes. Where are my the screenies saved to?
[03:56] <mozzarella> bobdobbs: your Pictures folder
[03:57] <bobdobbs> thanks
[04:01] <bobdobbs> mozzarella: I do not have a Pictures folder
[05:25] <Dof> Habrá canales en español aquí en freenode?
[07:10] <Jonno_FTW> hello
[07:11] <Jonno_FTW> I have installed the php-fpm package in 16.04, but no systemd service was installed.  is this normal?
[07:18] <f_ayx> Allo!
[07:19] <kirk781> Duo :p
[07:24] <f_ayx> need some help, noticed that my time and date format in file browser are displaying in more than one format: "d mmm yyyy" and "d mmm"... so sorting file by date is a bit tricky
[07:26] <ducasse> Jonno_FTW: fyi, you should upgrade soon - 16.04 goes eol soon
[08:27] <Gwalenn> hi, I installed Opera browser from Ubuntu software (focal fossa) I don't understand why at the first launch of this browser, it needs around 45s to get the main windows. After, this first launch, It open normally...
[10:42] <lenarhoyt> Hi. I have .desktop files in ~/.local/share/applications that simply won't show up in the launcher. I've verified the syntax and tried re-login and restart. What could be the problem?
[10:44] <lotuspsychje> lenarhoyt: wich app is this about?
[10:45] <lenarhoyt> lotuspsychje: https://github.com/Fmstrat/winapps/blob/main/apps/word/info
[10:46] <lenarhoyt> lotuspsychje: though it seems to work for others. I cannot find a related issue. https://github.com/Fmstrat/winapps/issues/122
[10:46] <antaresgades> Hello all. I'm having an issue installing 20.04 server. I have an old HP dc7800 which makes possible to define hardware RAID. I've defined one, but in partititon step it doesn't appear as an option and the two disks are visible independtenly.
[10:47] <lotuspsychje> antaresgades: you might wanna try #ubuntu-server for likeminded volunteers
[10:47] <antaresgades> Oh sorry, I didn't found that in the irc list!!! thanks a lot
[10:48] <lotuspsychje> lenarhoyt: thats an app for windows?
[10:48] <Underknowledge> having my issues with a ubuntu20 image. in openStack I can see grub in the console, but as soon it hits the kernel I just see a dash.  Console would work when I upgrade a Ubuntu18 Image.  any pointers? I think it can be related to tty and or serial options
[10:49] <lenarhoyt> lotuspsychje: it allows to run windows apps from a vm seamless in linux DEs
[10:50] <Underknowledge> @antaresgades you have to brake up the raid in the bios
[10:52] <lotuspsychje> lenarhoyt: did you check /usr/share/applications ?
[10:54] <lenarhoyt> lotuspsychje: check for what?
[10:54] <lotuspsychje> lenarhoyt: try your .desktop file in there
[11:07] <lenarhoyt> lotuspsychje: this also does not work
[11:08] <lotuspsychje> lenarhoyt: hmm, you might wanna ask support on your git then i suppose maybe its your desktop file bad?
[11:16] <lenarhoyt> ok thanks
[12:06] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[12:06] <imrjd> morning
[12:07] <imrjd> its afternoon here
[12:27] <thyriaen> Howdy, i hope you are having a wonderful day - i am trying to figure out where the "icons" of my applications come from: i specifically mean the icons in the top bar and the icons displayed in the notifications - i know about the "noramal" big ones, which i can configure in the .desktop files and they get pulled from my theme icons folder
[12:28] <thyriaen> I am using the default gnome3 version of ubuntu
[12:30] <oerheks> in /usr/share/icons/
[12:30] <lotuspsychje> thyriaen: indicators in the right upper corner?
[12:31] <thyriaen> lotuspsychje, yea
[12:32] <lotuspsychje> thyriaen: those are bound to the specific app, you can apt-cache search indicators and also tweak some settings on them from dconf-editor
[12:32] <thyriaen> lotuspsychje, ah okay - and same with the notification icons ?
[12:32] <superschnell> Can this be done more efficiently? if (is_null($request->get('query_param')) or $request->get('query_param') [12:33] <thyriaen> i am trying to change the icon of chromium to look like e-mail whereever it appears
[12:33] <lotuspsychje> superschnell: something for ##linux or ##programming or #bash ?
[12:33] <superschnell> lotuspsychje: damn, sorry, wrong channel
[12:33] <superschnell> lotuspsychje: was intended for #php
[12:47] <pr100> After login, I get a full page dialog "Oh no! Something has gone wrong.." I'm not sure how to fix or diagnose (20.10) - I've had a little poke around logs but I'm not sure what's relevant to this
[12:48] <oerheks> pr100, hit the details button? that might give a clue what application is reporting this
[12:49] <pr100> There is no details button - some more text and a "logout" button
[12:50] <oerheks> it should look something like this; https://tipsonubuntu.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/disable-error-report.jpg
[12:50] <pr100> the remaining text reads "A problem has occurred and the system can't recover. Please log out and try again."
[12:51] <oerheks> then do so, logout, login again?
[12:51] <pr100> sure - but exactly the same thing
[12:52] <pr100> but it's not that dialog
[12:52] <pr100> it's full page, white background with the text as I describe ^^
[12:53] <lotuspsychje> share that error in a pic plz pr100 ?
[12:54] <lotuspsychje> i didnt see a white screen on death before on ubuntu
[12:54] <pr100> https://images.app.goo.gl/HfxdR2Cuu1ALRDpq8 - like that, but without the cross in the top left
[12:54] <pr100> ah - so https://images.app.goo.gl/xbSF7DGV1qimyt9j8
[12:55] <oerheks> that is not ubuntu, kali linux?
[12:55] <pr100> this is ubuntu tho' and that's what I see
[12:56] <pr100> 20.10 - I imagine it's a gnome thing, but I could be wrong
[12:56] <lotuspsychje> share your dmesg please pr100
[12:56] <oerheks> i never seen this on ubuntu/gnome
[12:57] <pr100> googleing suggests other people have experienced it ...
[13:02] <pr100> dmesg is here: https://pastebin.com/WDLpjGEZ
[13:19] <lotuspsychje> !uptodate | pr100 try this?
[13:19] <pr100> yeah, already tried those things
[13:20] <lotuspsychje> did you recently upgrade from another release?
[13:22] <pr100> yeah, from 20.04 to 20.10, but that was a few days ago and this problem has only appeared today - presumably as a result of  upgrading some packages
[13:22] <lotuspsychje> pr100: try purge gnome-shell and reinstall again
[13:28] <pydr> hello
[13:28] <pr100> aha - that seems to have solved it - ty
[13:28] <pydr> does thunderbird  have changed its colors?
[13:28] <pydr> now i see all white background
[13:30] <gimmel> Hi all, I currently have a Ubuntu flavor (Pop_OS) installed, and need to install Ubuntu 18.04 alongside it. Is the Ubuntu installer going to play nice with this setup?
[13:35] <rory> yes, gimmel, it will see it, give you the oppertunity to resize partition during install, and then when you boot you'll be able to choose
[13:36] <rory> gimmel, the fact it's an Ubuntu variant is not important. You could even install the exact same release of Ubuntu twice on the same machine.
[13:37] <pydr> what client email are you using?
[13:37] <lotuspsychje> welcome pr100
[13:37] <gimmel> rory: Great! Thanks! I knew it would see Windows 10, but wasn't sure how it would go with another linux distro
[13:37] <gimmel> I'll go give it a spin and see what I can break :)
[13:41] <pydr> i think with the last update thunderbird messed up the colors of the theme
[13:45] <gimmel> Hmm. It seems the Ubuntu installer is assuming too much info if I use the "install alongside x" option. I already have a partition I want ubuntu to land in, but I don't get an option to select it.
[13:48] <BluesKaj> gimmel, use manual partitioning
[13:52] <gimmel> BluesKaj: ok, and then it asks for a location for the boot loader. If I select the current boot partition, will it clobber the boot reference for the existing Pop_OS install?
[13:54] <BluesKaj> it shouldn't since popOS uses grub
[13:56] <BluesKaj> but I'm not certain since I haven't that situation myself
[13:56] <BluesKaj> seen
[13:57] <rory> it will clobber the one that Pop OS put there, and replace it with one put there by Ubuntu, which will contain entries for both OS
[13:57] <rory> the Grub menu might look different from before.
[13:57] <gimmel> rory: thanks. I know pop_os uses a different one (slightly). That's fine.
[13:58] <BluesKaj> it's odd that ubiquity doesn't recognize grub
[14:05] <Underknowledge> having my issues with a ubuntu20 image. in openStack I can see grub in the console, but as soon it hits the kernel I just see a dash.  Console would work when I upgrade a Ubuntu18 Image.  any pointers? I think it can be related to tty and or serial options
[14:18] <Orvalvisje> good morning
[14:18] <kirk781> evening :p
[14:19] <Orvalvisje> i have a dual boot laptop ubuntu 20 and win7 ... now i want to get rid of win7: can i merge the partitions so that only ubuntu stays?
[14:25] <kirk781> Err, formatting the Windows partition and using Gparted should do the job
[14:25] <kirk781> Since Grub is independent of Windows, nothing wrong should happen when booting
[14:26] <Orvalvisje> is this recommended, or would a new full ubuntu install be better?
[14:26] <kirk781> Err, a full install would obviously do the job but then you had need to setup the whole system again. If you're okay with that , then that's cool
[14:28] <Orvalvisje> i actually tried to do a new install, the 20.10 version, however, when loading, it got stuck on a black screen just with the words "welcome to GRUB" with no options left for me but to unplug
[14:29] <kirk781> Did you wipe the whole partitions when reinstalling?
[14:30] <cbreak> I'd just keep the partitions as they are
[14:30] <cbreak> and maybe format the windows partition for data or so
[14:30] <cbreak> less annoying than messing with the OS Partition and the partition table
[14:30] <Orvalvisje> no Kirk, i didn't do anything: just rebooted with the usb inserted
[14:31] <kirk781> As cbreak says , just formatting Windows partition should be the straight forward way
[14:32] <Orvalvisje> and when deleting windows, will the pc automatically start up in ubuntu, or will it not recognize that win is gone, and leave this option?
[14:32] <leftyfb> Orvalvisje: you can certainly boot into a live cd/usb and delete the Windows partition and then resize your Ubuntu partition to take over the rest of the sapce
[14:32] <leftyfb> space*
[14:34] <cbreak> Orvalvisje: you can manipulate what your firmware lets you boot from with `efibootmgr` on the CLI
[14:34] <cbreak> it's ... not intuitive
[14:34] <HoLyDea7h> hello guys
[14:34] <leftyfb> cbreak: you're making the assumption that they are running UEFI at all
[14:35] <cbreak> yes. A good assumption.
[14:35] <cbreak> bios is so outdated :)
[14:35] <leftyfb> cbreak: I purposely disable EFI whenever possible to keep things simple and with less issues
[14:36] <HoLyDea7h> got 1 question ......why in linux nothing ever works the way they are supposed to ....... every comand i write every program i install is going trough hell to making it work
[14:36] <cbreak> I purposefully disable BIO when ever possible to avoid all the trouble with the legacy junk
[14:36] <cbreak> and get faster boot times
[14:36] <Orvalvisje> well, talking about outdated: i am using a pretty old pc, i think 2010
[14:36] <leftyfb> HoLyDea7h: This is a support channel. If you have an issue, please explain in detail, preferably with exact error messages posted to pastebin so we can help. One issue at a time please.
[14:37] <cbreak> HoLyDea7h: I suspect it's user error :P
[14:37] <leftyfb> Orvalvisje: ok, then you more than likely do not have EFI with " not intuitive" issues.
[14:37] <cbreak> things usually work as they're supposed to, but you might not realize this since your expectations are different
[14:37] <leftyfb> cbreak: that is not helpful. Please don't.
[14:38] <cbreak> getting used to the idea behind linux is a worthwhile thing to do, if you plan to use it
[14:38] <HoLyDea7h> 1st isssue easy - bottom left menu in ubuntu the mouse name ? XD i will call it Jerry for short .when i click it and type tweaks it doesnt show up i have to go in "software" and press launch
[14:39] <HoLyDea7h> and starting software is so slowwwwww......
[14:39] <leftyfb> HoLyDea7h: what version of ubuntu are you runnin?
[14:40] <HoLyDea7h> xubuntu latest belive it must be 20.4
[14:42] <leftyfb> HoLyDea7h: Any particular reason you are running Xubuntu over the default desktop? What are the specs of your machine?
[14:44] <HoLyDea7h> leftyfb: asus x550 intel celleron 4 ram
[14:45] <HoLyDea7h> default ubuntu was laggy on videos didnt work well for me
[14:46] <leftyfb> HoLyDea7h: open up "Software & Updates" and go to the "Additional Drivers" tab
[14:47] <HoLyDea7h> not avaible
[14:47] <node1> Any application in Ubuntu that will show on my desktop two time zone along with UTC timing?
[14:48] <leftyfb> node1: go to https://extensions.gnome.org/ and search for "timezone" or "clock". See if any of those works for you
[14:48] <oerheks> node1, gnome-clocks  https://itsfoss.com/add-multiple-time-zones-ubuntu/
[14:49] <node1> Like two local timezone along with UTC timing on desktop
[14:49] <oerheks> and ask every channel where you are in :-D
[14:49] <leftyfb> node1: please see my first response to you
[14:50] <HoLyDea7h> lefty how do i @ u ?
[14:51] <leftyfb> HoLyDea7h: you type my name, hit tab and it should autocomplete and stick : at the end, the you type your response
[14:51] <leftyfb> HoLyDea7h: as for private messages, we don't do that here
[14:52] <leftyfb> HoLyDea7h: I would look to see what video chipset you have and try to install the proper drivers for it.
[14:52] <HoLyDea7h> back to the topic all drivers are installed
[14:52] <HoLyDea7h> leftyfb, thanks <3
[14:53] <Orvalvisje> ok, at the moment i am trying to install ubuntu 20.10, but the usb stick startup keeps stuck at a black screen with just "GRUB" in the left top corner... is it a matter of (a really long) waiting?
[14:55] <node1> leftyfb: Thanks
[14:56] <HoLyDea7h> Orvalvisje, during my install i had progress bar did you go trough all steps if you hit install then its matter of time ,which depends on your machine after that theres progress bar if it doesnt change (fill) for a really long time maybe start over
[14:57] <HoLyDea7h> Orvalvisje, and yeah ....it was pretty slow for me .....but what do i know im on a laptop
[14:58] <Orvalvisje> i am waiting quite a bit already, and i can not see any light flickering (nor the hd nor the usb) - and i am on a very old laptop
[14:59] <Orvalvisje> and for example, taking out the usb stick, nothing happens
[14:59] <HoLyDea7h> if doubt just start over but dont do it 20 times....after hit install go out have a coffee hit on some lady take her home show her your room and the linux logo .....after ur done maybe your laptop will be too
[14:59] <HoLyDea7h> :D
[15:00] <Orvalvisje> i rather like the idea, but i don't think my wife likes it as much as i do :p
[15:00] <HoLyDea7h> then take her to  her home .....maybe she runs on linux too :D
[15:00] <Orvalvisje> lol
[15:01] <HoLyDea7h> sorry for the offtopic everyone hope its not against the rules
[15:01] <Orvalvisje> but anyway, i tried about 5 times already, every time another usb entrance, also reinstalled the iso image on the usb stick, but it's always the same
[15:02] <raffaem2> My Ubuntu image viewer doesn't open .webp files
[15:02] <raffaem2> unsupported format
[15:04] <Orvalvisje> can i do a new install from within ubuntu? do i need the usb stick?
[15:04] <HoLyDea7h> Orvalvisje,  did you try another usb ? Are you familiar with the steps ? Did you make / (root partition) and swap and efi ?
[15:06] <HoLyDea7h> Orvalvisje,  its aways best trough usb ....i tried installing from windows and got grub problems
[15:06] <Orvalvisje> i did not try another stick, for the fact that i don't have another one, and i did not do anything of those things you asked, because i made the stick within ubuntu and it says that i just need to insert the stick and the rest will be automatically
[15:07] <cbreak> raffaem2: tried VLC or mplayer?
[15:07] <HoLyDea7h> Orvalvisje,  then they may be already set but in any case you may try to make the partitions manualy ,also i had problems when i tried to make 1 partition for the system and another for my files (like C and D in windows) so i did 1 partition for everything and it worked fine
[15:09] <HoLyDea7h> Orvalvisje,   i am new to linux trying to help because i installed it 10 times already until i find good distro for me xD ,maybe someone more familiar could help you
[15:10] <HoLyDea7h> So can someone be kind enough and help me out with not being able to find gnome tweaks in the search and some other issues ?
[15:11] <Orvalvisje> don't worry, HolyDea7h, you are helping me a lot ;)
[15:11] <tieinv> try gnome-tweaks
[15:12] <HoLyDea7h> wish your wife could say im helping you  Orvalvisje hope shes not armed XD
[15:12] <Orvalvisje> lol
[15:12] <HoLyDea7h> i better watch out for incoming missles
[15:13] <HoLyDea7h> Thank you for being so kind
[15:15] <Orvalvisje> i found another stick, i'm going to try it again
[15:16] <HoLyDea7h> Orvalvisje, hope i didnt offend you ,it was a joke ....i used to adore womens in every possible way ....till i found my woman .....now i hate the very existence of them xD
[15:16] <HoLyDea7h> Good luck !
[15:16] <Orvalvisje> don't worry Holy, i wasn't offended ;)
[15:19] <HoLyDea7h> Need help with software not showing up outside of software store and extentions tab on tweaks not showing up this way i cant turn on caffeine :(
[15:19] <HoLyDea7h> im on xubunt 20.4
[15:19] <HoLyDea7h> im on xubuntu 20.4
[15:22] <leftyfb> HoLyDea7h: gnome-tweak wouldn't be installed, nor will be fully functional if you're running xubuntu.
[15:23] <leftyfb> or not
[15:37] <Orvalvisje> so, tried a new usb stick, but yet again it freezes with the word GRUB on the screen...
[15:38] <Orvalvisje> so, is there a way to do a new install from within ubuntu itself?
[15:49] <coconut> Orvalvisje, did you check the sha sum of the iso you downloaded?
[15:50] <Orvalvisje> i have no idea what that means, coconut
[15:52] <lotuspsychje> !md5 | Orvalvisje
[15:53] <coconut> Orvalvisje, with a sum you can check the integrity of a file so there are no mistakes exceptions
[15:53] <lotuspsychje> these days, its also automatic checked on live aswell
[15:53] <Orvalvisje> so, you are saying that, even though i downloaded it from the ubuntu site, the file may be corrupted?
[15:56] <coconut> Orvalvisje, possibly, yes, but with small chances... (things like hacking or with transferring the data from server to your pc)
[15:56] <notobvious> that's why i always download from the torrents
[15:56] <coconut> Orvalvisje, what iso did you download?
[15:57] <Orvalvisje> ubuntu 20.10 desktop amd64
[15:58] <raffaem2> firefox opens them
[15:59] <coconut> Orvalvisje, get the SHA256SUMS file here and then check the iso with a summer http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases/20.10/release/
[16:00] <coconut> Orvalvisje, and if that is hard to do... then you can consider to use to download the iso with an torrent client, which does check that automaticly.
[16:06] <nunya> My boot time from cold start is 2.5 - 3 min. Any way to speed it up?  Ubuntu 20.04 with Cinnamon 4.4.8 16GB RAM, 2.5 Ghz processor, Intel© Core™ i5-2520M CPU @ 2.50GHz × 2
[16:08] <Orvalvisje> ok, downloading via torrent
[16:08] <Orvalvisje> i tried to have a go at the step-by-step thingy, but it seems a bit complicated, and time is getting short for me
[16:08] <oerheks> nunya, what does journalctl give? journalctl -b -0 # shows messages from the current boot
[16:09] <oerheks> or; systemd-analyze blame
[16:10] <Orvalvisje> ok, and i have a download error in "transmission": "error:no data found!Ensure your drives are connected or use set location. To re-dpwnload, remove the torrent and re-add it"
[16:10] <nunya> oerheks:https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/5hRdWyrQmN/
[16:11] <coconut> nunya, i am not sure... but i think you want to check whether you have a hdd or a ssd disk in use. And if hdd, you want to see if want and can upgrade to ssd.
[16:11] <oerheks> journalctl > journalctl -b -0
[16:12] <oerheks> from the beginning of the boot please
[16:12] <coconut> ssd's can speed up boot times significantly
[16:13] <coconut> nunya, just listen to oerheks...
[16:13] <nunya> oerheks: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/kvw2btmhZs/
[16:13] <lotuspsychje> nunya: sudo apt install preload stacer haveged and tweak systemd services and startup items
[16:46] <yates> i'm running lubuntu 18.04.5 and the apt package available for latexml is version 0.8.2. i know a version 0.8.4 package is availalbe - how to get it installed ?
[16:47] <leftyfb> !info latexml
[16:48] <coconut> yates, by upgrading unbuntu to a newer version or by adding a ppa, if available
[16:48] <leftyfb> yates: the 0.8.4-1 version is only available in ubuntu 20.04, not 18.04
[16:48] <coconut> yates, ppa's are not supported though
[16:49] <yates> coconut: how do i determine if a ppa (whatever that is) for 0.8.4 is available?
[16:50] <yates> upgrading to 20.04 is not an option for me
[16:50] <yates> i am required by my employer to stick with 18.04
[16:53] <coconut> yates, i searched and i do not think there is an ppa for that available for that
[16:56] <yates> coconut: what about this? https://launchpad.net/~matteosecli/+archive/ubuntu/latexml
[16:57] <ioria> yates, 0.8.4 should be available via snap btw
[16:57] <yates> ioria: what is "snap"?
[16:57] <ioria> !snap
[16:59] <yates> so i followed the "Adding this PPA to you system" directions, and it appeared to do some work, but latexml is not avilable: https://launchpad.net/~matteosecli/+archive/ubuntu/latexml
[17:01] <yates> nm
[17:01] <yates> i see
[17:01] <nemo> hm. after a bunch of dpkg -i/-r --force-all and copying over some configs from a cheatsheet fresh ubuntu 16.04 install I think I managed to remotely repair my mom's hopelessly tangled 12.04
[17:02] <nemo> thanks to aptitude and ruthlessly deleting anything old that halted the graph resolve
[17:02] <nemo> now on to 20.04
[17:02] <nemo> probably by way of 18.04
[17:15] <Bombo> hi
[17:16] <HoLyDea7h> hey guys im having troubles with my cursor ,i looked up the internet but i cant get the comand to work ....i like black cursor but on my browser its white and thats poking my eyes
[17:17] <HoLyDea7h> sudo update-alternatives --install /usr/share/icons/default/index.theme /home/user/.icons/Sweet-cursors/ 51
[17:17] <HoLyDea7h> thats the comand i use
[17:18] <HoLyDea7h> can someone tell me whats wrong about this command ?
[17:19] <HoLyDea7h> anyone ?
[17:21] <nemo> where'd you get that command from?
[17:21] <rory> there probably shouldn't be a space between / and 51
[17:21] <HoLyDea7h> from internet im trying to add another cursor to the list of 9 cursors so i can set global one
[17:22] <nemo> I'm just surprised that one can use a local home location for a global cursor
[17:22] <nemo> hope that doesn't cause any permission issues
[17:23] <HoLyDea7h> well that local is for pointing where my cursor theme is
[17:23] <HoLyDea7h> thats the path to the theme i want to be global
[17:23] <ogra> it will surely cause lots of issues, but update-alternatives is just a (very fancy) frontend to ln ... so why wouldnt it place such links
[17:24] <ogra> if you want a theme to be global, put it in a global location on your machine ... not in a hidden folder of someones home dir
[17:25] <HoLyDea7h> okay ......so where do i put it so lately i can pick it from mouse and touchpad
[17:27] <HoLyDea7h> btw im using xubuntu xfce
[17:27] <HoLyDea7h> if its making any difference
[17:27] <ogra> normlly icon themes go to a subfolder in /usr/share/icons/
[17:27] <ogra> named after the theme
[17:29] <HoLyDea7h> that folder is permision locked i cant place anything there
[17:30] <HoLyDea7h> ogra,
[17:30] <nemo> HoLyDea7h: that's what sudo is for 😝
[17:30] <HoLyDea7h> ogra, i think everything in share is read only
[17:30] <nemo> HoLyDea7h: although /usr/local is probably a better idea
[17:31] <ogra> then you probably shouldnt ... given you have not yet learned the concept of sudo 🙂
[17:32] <ogra> nemo, is right that you should normally put locally maintained adjustments to /usr/local ... but i'm not sure /usr/local/share is in the theme search path ... which is why i suggested /usr/sher
[17:32] <ogra> *share
[17:32] <nemo> ogra: ah... I figured that update-alternatives command was intended to add it to the path
[17:32] <nemo> ogra: thus the need to specify the 2nd location
[17:32] <nemo> but I'm not very familiar with update alternatives.
[17:32] <nemo> I just know that mixing "sudo" and /home/user is probably a bad idea 😉
[17:32] <ogra> it usually adds a chain of links
[17:33] <Bombo> i want to apt install libegl-dev, but i get libegl-dev : Depends: libegl1 (= 1.3.1-1) but 1.3.2-1~ubuntu0.20.04.1 is to be installed
[17:33] <ogra> look in /etc/alternatives and follow the chain 😉
[17:33] <nemo> ogra: yeah. that much I know. so figured it was just one more link, only to /usr/local
[17:33] <nemo> ogra: usually putting custom stuff in /usr/share risks package cleanup issues
[17:33] <Bombo> i did apt update && apt upgrade
[17:33] <ogra> as long as the file/dir name doesnt clash with something from a package it wont hurt
[17:34] <HoLyDea7h> guys can you simply point me to the folder or write down sudo comand that i can use so the cursor doesnt go " black and yellow" all the time
[17:34] <HoLyDea7h> im sure u know and your cursor dont act strange
[17:35]  * ogra just usues the default cursor on all his machines
[17:35] <HoLyDea7h> im couple of days old linux user ......
[17:36] <HoLyDea7h> i just want to make that terrible xfce look nice ....
[17:36] <HoLyDea7h> its like windows xp had older brother look
[17:36] <HoLyDea7h> maybe windows 98 upgraded :D
[17:38] <HoLyDea7h> alright .....so can you help me with my other ....worst problems ? I cant find gnome tweaks in whiskers ..... i can only start it by going in software shop and start it
[17:39] <HoLyDea7h> im also missing extensions tab in gnome tweaks and i cant add caffeine that can keep my monitor on during videos (so it doesnt log me out)
[17:40] <HoLyDea7h> by " and start it " i meant "and launch" it
[17:41] <HoLyDea7h> nemo, or ogra any ideas ?
[17:44] <Bombo> weird, 'ii  libegl1:amd64 1.3.2-1~ubuntu0.20.04.1' is installed but 'apt show libegl-dev|grep -i version' shows 'Version: 1.3.1-1'
[17:44] <nemo> HoLyDea7h: eh. expressed my opinions earlier.  don't put it in your user home, and I'm surprised any guide you read online would recommend that
[17:44] <nemo> HoLyDea7h: if you're not familiar with commandline to point of copying stuff to /usr/local, I'm thinking you should have step by step instructions
[17:45] <HoLyDea7h> nemo,  i meant about my other question read the 2 lines above
[17:45] <nemo> Ah. no idea about those. thought you were pinging me about the things I'd actually expressed an interest in 😉
[17:45] <HoLyDea7h> about the gnome tweaks problems
[17:45] <nemo> I don't use gnome anymore, just mate, and have no idea what whiskers is
[17:45] <nemo> I'm mostly here due to the surgery I was doing on my mom's ubuntu over the weekend to rescue it from mangled 12.04 limbo.  I use Devuan these days
[17:46] <nemo> 14.04 was my last ubuntu ☺
[17:46] <HoLyDea7h> whiskers is the search menu  in the left where all  programs are .....like program explorer
[17:46] <nemo> ah
[17:46] <nemo> HoLyDea7h: well... usually menu systems show stuff based on the .desktop files
[17:46] <nemo> so the system ones, plus any .local overrides you might have done (and probably didn't)
[17:47] <nemo> so maybe that file has a badly configured .desktop
[17:47] <nemo> HoLyDea7h: usually you can manually add entries there though.  Although again, unfamiliar with gnome these days
[17:47] <nemo> and checking .desktop file for the app is where I'd go if it wasn't showing up in a DE
[17:48] <HoLyDea7h> Im realy tired .....using linux for the past few days is ......figuring  solutions for dumb problems 90 % of the time and watching youtube 10 % of the time
[17:48] <nemo> heh
[17:48] <HoLyDea7h> linux should be more user friendly
[17:48] <nemo> that's been the complaint for decades. it is better than it was
[17:48] <nemo> although no idea what ubuntu has been up to these days
[17:48] <nemo> I'm pretty happy w/ my MATE desktop on Devuan but then, I've been using linux since 1996 so I probably have blind spots to issues
[17:48] <HoLyDea7h> they advertise it as the "easiest" linux for new users
[17:49] <nemo> it probably is
[17:49] <HoLyDea7h> ......yeah right ...
[17:49] <nemo> HoLyDea7h: well. new users maybe shouldn't be doing manual cursor installs system-wide 😉
[17:49] <nemo> maybe stick w/ default cursors and whatever you can find in package management
[17:50] <nemo> heck. new users maybe should be avoiding anything with word "tweaks" in the name until they are more comfortable
[17:50] <HoLyDea7h> probably ....but can you google how xfce default desctop looks ?
[17:50] <nemo> maybe new users should keep customising to a minimum until they are comfortable
[17:50] <HoLyDea7h> please .....do me that favour :D
[17:50] <nemo> I don't care for XFCE4 themeing or layout
[17:50] <nemo> there's a reason I use MATE
[17:50] <nemo> I made an honest effort at unity and gnome3 but got tired of it fast
[17:50] <nemo> sooo back to my nice traditional layout
[17:51] <HoLyDea7h> so sad ....cinnamon looks amazing but it works terribly on xubuntu .... it needs  the original ubuntu
[17:51] <HoLyDea7h> thanks about the chat it was nice
[17:52] <nemo> not familiar with cinnamon either
[17:52] <nemo> but MATE should work fine on any minimalist distro
[17:52] <nemo> and for that matter, any DE should work fine on any ubuntu
[17:52] <HoLyDea7h> i will deffinetly stop using sudo comands until im more terminal friendly xD
[17:53] <leftyfb> HoLyDea7h: cinnamon is a DE, just like xfce. Cinnamon does not run on top of XFCE, it runs instead of
[17:54] <HoLyDea7h> yeah i know  but also it doesnt work right on top of xubuntu ....not like on ubuntu
[17:54] <HoLyDea7h> but i cant use ubuntu cuz its too demanding for my asus laptop
[17:55] <leftyfb> HoLyDea7h: no, I don't think you're getting it. Cinnamon is a DE that can run on Ubuntu. Or you can use XFCE. Or you can use the default Ubuntu uses which is Gnome Shell. They all run separate
[17:55] <nemo> if your laptop has an intel card, it's possible a gl accelerated desktop might perform badly
[17:55] <nemo> HoLyDea7h: what's your ASUS laptop model?
[17:55] <nemo> HoLyDea7h: what leftyfb said - you should be able to select them all at the login screen
[17:55] <leftyfb> HoLyDea7h: https://itsfoss.com/install-cinnamon-on-ubuntu/
[17:55] <HoLyDea7h> asus x550sa
[17:55] <HoLyDea7h> intel celeron 4gb ram
[17:56] <leftyfb> HoLyDea7h: you should try Ubuntu Mate. But also, maybe look into upgrading that memory. That might help quite a bit
[17:56] <HoLyDea7h> poor 600 $ i spend on that crap...should have build pc
[17:56] <HoLyDea7h> :D
[17:56] <leftyfb> HoLyDea7h: Does it have an SSD?
[17:56] <HoLyDea7h> nope 1000 hdd
[17:56] <nemo> Hm
[17:56] <nemo> has a dual card design
[17:56] <nemo> intel/amd
[17:57] <nemo> Linux is a bit better at handling those these days
[17:57] <leftyfb> HoLyDea7h: an SSD and 16G of memory would be night and day on that machine
[17:57] <nemo> But it's not out of the realm of possibility that maybe possibly it is using the wrong card.
[17:57] <nemo> leftyfb: does ubuntu install firmware for amd/nvidia by default these days?
[17:57] <HoLyDea7h> you cant lefty good dream tho
[17:57] <nemo> leftyfb: or would HoLyDea7h have had to opt in in the installer
[17:57] <HoLyDea7h> celeron processors support up to 8 gb ram
[17:57] <nemo> leftyfb: not sure what the attitude is towards proprietary blbos
[17:57] <leftyfb> HoLyDea7h: ok, so 8G and an SSD.
[17:57] <nemo> *lobs
[17:58] <blb4393> HoLyDea7h: I have a celeron machine with 12 gig
[17:59] <HoLyDea7h> yeah i know i used ssd on my intel i5 4430 and GTX 1050 Ti combo desctop
[17:59] <blb4393> its desktop
[17:59] <HoLyDea7h> but im not sure what i could squeze out of celeron procesor
[18:00] <HoLyDea7h> okay desktop
[18:00] <blb4393> i have also a notebook with 4gb ram and n5000 celeron. Works smooth with i3
[18:00] <HoLyDea7h> thanks for all the advices
[18:00] <HoLyDea7h> u mean ssd ? blb4393
[18:01] <blb4393> i3-wm
[18:01] <HoLyDea7h> oh i tought ur talking bout the processor
[18:02] <blb4393> it's n5000 as I said, i3-wm is a window manage
[18:02] <blb4393> r
[18:02] <nemo> HoLyDea7h: question... is "firmware-amd-graphics" installed?
[18:02] <HoLyDea7h> yeah im looking at it .....looks nice
[18:02] <leftyfb> HoLyDea7h: I would recommend getting an 8G memory stick, an SSD an throwing Ubuntu Mate on it.
[18:02] <nemo> HoLyDea7h: and did you opt in to proprietary in the installer?
[18:03] <HoLyDea7h> not sure bout  both of them .....all drivers are instaled trough the official driver installer
[18:03] <HoLyDea7h> why would i need firmware amd graphics on intel processor?
[18:03] <nemo> HoLyDea7h: this is about your GPU
[18:04] <nemo> HoLyDea7h: your laptop model seems to use the dual gpu model
[18:04] <nemo> HoLyDea7h: if I looked up right model, intel GPU + amd GPU
[18:04] <leftyfb> HoLyDea7h: lspci | grep VGA | nc termbin.com 9999
[18:04] <nemo> for power savings vs performance
[18:04] <leftyfb> nemo: I question whether or not is has AMD GPU
[18:04] <nemo> leftyfb: yeah. I could have wrong model
[18:04] <nemo> was having a hard time finding the one mentioned
[18:05] <HoLyDea7h> maybe i can run terminal comand to check graphics nemo
[18:05] <nemo> HoLyDea7h: leftyfb told you to do that
[18:05] <nemo> ☺
[18:05] <nemo> including autopaste
[18:05] <leftyfb> nemo: it's X55CA, not SA
[18:05] <Speedhog> b1b4393: i3-wm is great, that's the wm I use daily
[18:05] <nemo> leftyfb: ah. I was wondering about that. thought that was maybe a country code
[18:05] <HoLyDea7h> nope i have x550 not x55
[18:05] <nemo> like Canada vs South Africa ☺
[18:06] <leftyfb> HoLyDea7h: sorry, yeah, x550ca
[18:06] <nemo> HoLyDea7h: well. run his command anyway
[18:07] <nemo> https://termbin.com/v4vn  ←  sample output - this is from my machine over here
[18:07] <nemo> (you'll get a url like that to paste)
[18:07] <HoLyDea7h> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Atom/Celeron/Pentium Processor x5-E8000/J3xxx/N3xxx Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 35)
[18:07] <nemo> HoLyDea7h: just the one?
[18:07] <HoLyDea7h> i just pasted the text from the url
[18:08] <HoLyDea7h> more handy
[18:08] <nemo> ah
[18:08] <HoLyDea7h> :D
[18:08] <nemo> just 1?
[18:08] <HoLyDea7h> just 1 what ? just 1 lane ?
[18:08] <HoLyDea7h> thats all i get from the link
[18:08] <HoLyDea7h> .....
[18:08] <HoLyDea7h> copied everything xD
[18:08] <nemo> HoLyDea7h: ok. if you are on a sucky Intel GPU then yeah, IMO composited is not the way to go for performance.  I've had way better results under firefox etc by using a non-composited window manager
[18:08] <nemo> HoLyDea7h: XFCE and MATE are good options on this front I think
[18:09] <nemo> HoLyDea7h: I was even able to get decentish performance in games and firefox with layers acceleration after that.
[18:09] <nemo> HoLyDea7h: 4 gigs of RAM is a ton of RAM though, by linux standards
[18:09] <HoLyDea7h> yeah .....worst gpu ever ......its not even gpu i feel like i have cpu proccessed video ...
[18:10] <HoLyDea7h> its like gpu doesnt exists in this laptop
[18:10] <HoLyDea7h> we cant even talk about games...maybe i can run pacman
[18:10] <HoLyDea7h> :D
[18:11] <HoLyDea7h> nothing than firefox runs ....thats why im not very ...excited about thinking of ssd and ram upgrades
[18:11] <HoLyDea7h> not realy justified
[18:11] <nemo> HoLyDea7h: eh... you should be able to get GPU accelerated games running
[18:12] <nemo> HoLyDea7h: I ran a few things reasonably on intel... Hedgewars in FOSS category, Untitled Goose in WINE
[18:12] <nemo> HoLyDea7h: stuff like that
[18:12] <HoLyDea7h> maybe farm simulator 1999 they didnt had so many tractors back then haha
[18:12] <nemo> HoLyDea7h: but you probably should disable desktop compositing to free up the sucky GPU a bit
[18:13] <nemo> HoLyDea7h: https://l3net.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/cmp-all4.png  this was situation in 2014 memory consumption wise. note even the bloated bigboys aren't sucking up *that* much of your 4 gigabytes ☺
[18:13] <HoLyDea7h> its alright i dont have any complains so far no lags .....with xubuntu its all smooth
[18:13] <nemo> HoLyDea7h: (that chart is in megabytes)
[18:13] <nemo> HoLyDea7h: ok
[18:13] <nemo> HoLyDea7h: what does firefox say under about:support for graphics accel?
[18:14] <HoLyDea7h> i dont think its supported
[18:14] <HoLyDea7h> but how do i check ?
[18:14] <nemo> HoLyDea7h: enter about:support
[18:14] <nemo> as a url
[18:15] <nemo> HoLyDea7h: about:about for all about pages if you are curious
[18:15] <HoLyDea7h> Compositing	Basic
[18:15] <HoLyDea7h> is this what u neede?
[18:15] <HoLyDea7h> needed
[18:15] <nemo> yeah
[18:16] <nemo> HoLyDea7h: well, if firefox seems sluggish, you could try force-enabling acceleration.  It's usually an improvement, even on Intel
[18:17] <HoLyDea7h> im using more brave for videos i use firefox only on some ...because brave doesnt have that floating bubble that separates the video on own window
[18:17] <HoLyDea7h> realy useful feature
[18:17] <nemo> HoLyDea7h: ah. I'm diehard firefox. Mostly 'cause Brave, IE, Opera are all basically dependant on google for core engine
[18:18] <HoLyDea7h> cuz my videos can stay aways on top <3
[18:18] <nemo> last thing we need is a google monopoly
[18:18] <tomreyn> !chat
[18:18] <nemo> haha
[18:18] <nemo> sorry
[18:40] <Smaug> hey all, I am setting up ROS on Ubuntu 18 and as part of that am attempting to install python-roslaunch
[18:40] <Smaug> i encounter the following series of errors:
[18:40] <Smaug> https://pastebin.com/Qp6jPiv0
[18:41] <Smaug> tells me something else can't be install which depends on something else, towards catkin, which "can't be installed"
[18:41] <Smaug> trying to install catkin directly tells me that python-catking-pkg will not be installed
[18:41] <Smaug> trying to install python-catkin-pkg tells me that it is already installed!
[18:41] <Smaug> so what is the deal here?
[18:41] <nemo> What is ubuntu 18?
[18:42] <Smaug> 18.04
[18:43] <nemo> ok
[18:43] <Smaug> any help would be much appreciated.  asking here since it seems to be a package dependency issue
[18:43] <Smaug> been at this for a few hours now
[18:43] <nemo> Smaug: yeah. some sort of interdependency issue.  kinda funny since I spent like 4 hours on those yesterday fixing my mom's laptop remotely which was a weird mashup of 12.04 and 16.04
[18:43] <Smaug> ooof
[18:43] <nemo> Smaug: I ended up doing a lot of force removes of packages, until I was able to get aptitude running, which helped tons
[18:44] <nemo> Smaug: you might want to start with aptitude - it is smarter about crawling the graph
[18:44] <Smaug> yeah i have aptitude, i haven't really used it though
[18:53] <Smaug> aptitude's proposed solutions are to not install naything
[18:53] <tomreyn> Smaug: what's the output of this, on a pastebin?   apt policy; apt policy python-roslaunch python-roslib
[18:53] <Smaug> or to remove all my other ros-melodic pacakges
[18:53] <tomreyn> !aptitude
[18:55] <tomreyn> you appear to be using packages from a third party repository which is not supported here.
[18:56] <Smaug> tomreyn: https://pastebin.com/sEPQ8Esm
[18:56] <tomreyn> "python-catkin-pkg is already the newest version (0.4.23-100)." is seen on your initial pastebin.com post, but Ubuntu 18.04 LTS provides version 0.3.9-1.
[18:57] <tomreyn> this doesn't include the output of    "apt policy"
[18:57] <Smaug> without adding the third party there was nothing provided in the normal ubuntu sources
[18:58] <Smaug> oh i see `apt policy` as its own command as well one moment
[18:58] <tomreyn> all of those three packages you mentioned, are available from the universe section in Ubuntu 18.04 LTS
[18:58] <oerheks> i would go for the python3 version, focal https://packages.ubuntu.com/source/focal/ros-ros-comm
[18:59] <Smaug> the packages i couldn't find in universe were the ros-melodic* packages
[19:00] <tomreyn> that's correct.
[19:00] <Smaug> here is apt policy: https://pastebin.com/SazYdi5G
[19:01] <tomreyn> http://packages.ros.org/ros/ubuntu bionic/main amd64 Packages  is probably the 3rd party apt source
[19:02] <Smaug> so how should I proceed?
[19:04] <tomreyn> that's up to you. if you'd like support from this channel, use packages supported here, i.e. remove apt sources and packages not supported here.
[19:04] <tomreyn> (also package version)
[19:06] <tomreyn> another option may be to get support from those 3rd partiues who provide those packages / package versions you have installed.
[19:09] <other_rick> hello, How to create a ramdisk with plymouth support? I try with plymouth-generate-initrd but doesn't provide an init file
[19:18] <oerheks> what has plymouth todo with ramdisk?
[19:19] <tomreyn> also, which gentoo version are you running?
[19:21] <other_rick> oerheks you can use the plymouth to request a passphrase for example if your disk is encrypted
[19:26] <arooni> my /boot/ partition was filling up
[19:29] <mbeierl> Hello, folks.  Does anyone know if there is a desktop notification that can be given if someone ssh's into my desktop and issues a shutdown -r?  There is a wall, but if there is no terminal open, is there no way of knowing?
[19:33] <matsaman> mbeierl: you should have some GUI notify executable already installed; ls /usr/bin/*notify*
[19:33] <matsaman> notify-send?
[19:33] <matsaman> you'd have to make sure it's working right to send a msg to all logged in users, and with the right permissions to work
[19:34] <matsaman> and, I mean
[19:35] <matsaman> it could easily not happen successfully before shutdown -r happens, unless you override shutdown
[19:35] <matsaman> mbeierl: if you only want to know _who_ ran 'shutdown' and when, you can force people to use sudo to run it
[19:35] <mbeierl> right - the thing is I think I need to get a hold of each user's dbus to do that
[19:35] <matsaman> that has some logging built-in
[19:36] <mbeierl> oh, no, it's not audit that I'm after.  I have an automation demo controlling a virtual desktop and reboot is one of the commands.  If the user is logged in via XRDP, they don't know what's about to happen :(
[19:36] <mbeierl> merely a "nice to have" for a demo
[19:38] <matsaman> well, I'd test "DISPLAY=:0 notify-send 'foo'" first, as not the same user
[19:38] <mbeierl> oh - got it.  I was missing mate-notification-daemon
[19:38] <mbeierl> then it works!  I am doing a very trimmed down virtual desktop based on MATE, so I needed to add that package to the list.
[19:38] <matsaman> aha
[19:39] <mbeierl> @matsaman, thank you so very much!  notify-send was the magic tool!
[19:39] <matsaman> there are some even more DE agnostic alternatives, too
[19:39] <matsaman> but if you're already using MATE, you're good anyway
[19:39] <matsaman> FFR you can use apt-file to find packages that provide a particular executable
[21:25] <radue> :q
[21:50] <x29a> hey there, im on Ubuntu 20.04.2 LTS, which ships chromium via snap. After a while, my chromium wont open new tabs, i always get the "Aw, Snap! Something went wrong when displaying this webpage. Error code: SIGTRAP". It seems to be memory related. Chrome works just fine. I tried searching, but cant really find the problem or a solution. Any hints? Tried changing to snap dev channel, no better :/
[21:51] <matsaman> I don't know why you would run that from a snap TBH
[21:51] <matsaman> but then I can hardly think of anything I would use snap for, so
[21:52] <x29a> matsaman: yeah, well, it seems to be the default. i thought, well, ill go with it. docker is also bundled via snap. going completely without snap seems harder and harder
[21:52] <pendarsoheil> hello i'm trying to install ubuntu server edition but im getting this
[21:52] <pendarsoheil> blob:https://imgur.com/76c4c9be-b452-4ba8-a78d-4ceee122eff7
[21:52] <matsaman> looks like there's a 3rd party / PPA that has plain packages: https://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2020/06/install-chromium-via-deb-ubuntu-20-04/
[21:52] <matsaman> part of this is that chromium is an insane beast to compile, and its upstream is even more insane and breaks crap constantly
[21:53] <revmacian> What are Ubuntu's "official flavors"?
[21:53] <matsaman> sure you can't use firefox or icecat?
[21:53] <matsaman> revmacian: there are a lot at this point, why do you ask?
[21:54] <matsaman> they're basically all obtainable after installing any one of them
[21:54] <revmacian> matsaman: I'm using Kubuntu and I like it, want to try other official flavors
[21:54] <revmacian> matsaman: Oh, so Ubuntu, Kubuntu and Ubuntu Mate?
[21:54] <matsaman> https://ubuntu.com/download/flavours
[21:54] <revmacian> Thank you!
[21:55] <matsaman> unless you have just loads of free time, I'd try them from their install images / live OS images
[21:55] <revmacian> matsaman: That's what I'm doing, nice to have live envs
[21:55] <matsaman> MATE is like the previous incarnation of GNOME, which (with some Unity on top) is what plain Ubuntu uses right now
[21:56] <x29a> matsaman: i use firefox/icecat as well, but im used to multiple browsers. cant imagine why it seems to not work for me only, as i couldnt find the problem mentioned
[21:56] <revmacian> Wow, there's more than I thought
[21:56] <tomreyn> pendarsoheil: https://imgur.com/76c4c9be-b452-4ba8-a78d-4ceee122eff7 returns a 404 not found error
[21:56] <matsaman> x29a: multiple browsers for what, testing?
[21:57] <pendarsoheil> tomreyn, sorry, https://i.imgur.com/Csqyhn9.png
[21:58] <matsaman> there are even more horrible upstream Chrome binaries you can try too
[21:58] <revmacian> lol, s if he didn't have enough issues
[21:58] <x29a> matsaman: yeah, and to keep ALL the tabs open ;)
[21:58] <sarnold> x29a: SIGTRAP makes me think there might be a problem with chromium's sandboxing; I suggest filing a bug report
[21:58] <tomreyn> pendarsoheil: which ubuntu server release are you trying to install?
[21:58] <matsaman> x29a: firefox doesn't keep tabs open...?
[21:59] <x29a> matsaman: i think this is not leading anywhere, thanks though ;)
[21:59] <x29a> sarnold: i assume some memory issue, but i think i will have to
[21:59]  * matsaman shrugs
[22:00] <matsaman> like if you just want multiple browser instances with separate profiles, I'm pretty sure you can do that with one Firefox installation
[22:01] <revmacian> Yoou can with the firefox profile generator:  firefox -ProfileManager
[22:01] <revmacian> or: firefox -P
[22:02] <matsaman> it's a little more involved than that, last I checked, if you want to use them _simultaneously_, but still doable
[22:02] <pendarsoheil> tomreyn, 20.04 LTS
[22:03] <pendarsoheil> If it helps i could install fine on a HDD but not SSD
[22:03] <pendarsoheil> Swapped AHCi
[22:03] <tomreyn> revmacian, matsaman: for many use cases, multi account containers will do just fine: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/containers
[22:03] <pendarsoheil> for IDE but no good. Boot with desktop version shows that SSD is fine
[22:04] <tomreyn> pendarsoheil: you're using an unsupported installation image, is there a reson you'r enot using the default one?
[22:04] <pendarsoheil> tomreyn, an unsupported installation image? I downloaded from Ubuntu site. The legacy version
[22:05] <tomreyn> pendarsoheil: why the legacy one though?
[22:05] <sarnold> pendarsoheil: maybe screenshot the previous screen where you define the root filesystem?
[22:05] <pendarsoheil> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-legacy-server/releases/20.04/release/ to be precise
[22:05] <matsaman> man, people really have trouble organizing on their own don't they =P
[22:05] <matsaman> tomreyn: that's cool hadn't heard of that, thanks
[22:05] <matsaman> "Log in to multiple accounts on a single website at the same time" that's the ticket
[22:05] <pendarsoheil> sarnold, it actually doesn't let me set the boot device
[22:06] <pendarsoheil> or partition the device at all. It just jumps to that screen
[22:07] <tomreyn> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-legacy-server/releases/20.04.1/release/ would be the latest LEGACY (debian-installer based) server installer iso
[22:07] <pendarsoheil> tomreyn, right -- http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-legacy-server/releases/20.04/release/ubuntu-20.04.1-legacy-server-amd64.iso
[22:08] <tomreyn> oh the .1 is there as well, ok
[22:09] <tomreyn> did you try the non legacy, though?
[22:09] <sarnold> pendarsoheil: oh, strange :(
[22:10] <x29a> while i found it cute that chromium tabs crash with "aw snap" while running via snap (pun intended?), i think i just found the bugreport and its related to snap updating the apps in the background: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/chromium-browser/+bug/1913027
[22:12] <sarnold> x29a: ugh :( maybe join #snappy and ask how to work around that?
[22:13] <x29a> sarnold: the bugreport mentioned an experimental feature to disable autoupdate of running snaps
[22:13] <x29a> fun fact: the report is a duplicate of an 2016 bug report, urgh
[22:14] <pendarsoheil> ill try now to
[22:14] <matsaman> sounds like you're using chromium indeed
[22:14] <sarnold> x29a: yeah. I hate this "feature" of snap.
[22:14] <sarnold> x29a: so best to let them know that you hate it now, too :)
[22:43] <imi> hi, how do I report bugs from dmesg like this: [39822.436288] ------------[ cut here ]------------
[22:43] <sarnold> probably: ubuntu-bug linux
[22:49] <fluiD> I'm having a problem opening a serial port. Python says it's busy or in use. When I use "lsof" to query, it shows that gpsd is using that serial port. I *do* have a GPS unit on a different serial port, and it's working fine.
[22:54] <ForeverNoob[m]> hi, I think apt is broken here: https://paste.debian.net/plain/1187738/ - What should I do?
[22:56] <revmacian> ForeverNoob[m]: did you run: sudo apt --fix-broken install
[22:57] <fluiD> clearly they did, it's in the link
[22:57] <ForeverNoob[m]> ^
[22:57] <revmacian> Yes, my bad.
[22:58] <matsaman> fluiD: so out of curiosity, if you temporarily turn off gpsd, does it work?
[22:58] <revmacian> ForeverNoob[m]: I'm wondering if you have moxed your repos (sources for 20.04 and sources with 20.20)
[22:58] <revmacian> s/moxed/mixed/
[22:58] <fluiD> matsaman, yes, it works fine, and turning gpsd back on causes it to break again.
[22:58] <fluiD> although I've found that gpsd isn't actually talking to the GPS properly, so that's probably the source of my issue. Researching...
[22:58] <fluiD> maybe "investigating" is a better word
[22:59] <ForeverNoob[m]> revmacian: I haven't touched my repos, it's a Ubuntu Server 20.04.2 LTS according to lsb_release -a
[22:59] <tomreyn> ForeverNoob[m]: there's output missing after line "39 packages can be upgraded. Run 'apt list --upgradable' to see them."
[22:59] <matsaman> fluiD: how're you running gpsd?
[22:59] <tomreyn> ForeverNoob[m]: actually no, sorry, my bad
[22:59] <revmacian> ForeverNoob[m]: Ok, not the issue then.. which is a good thing because mixed repos is difficult to reolve
[22:59] <matsaman> fluiD: we talking about port 2947 or some other?
[22:59] <fluiD> matsaman, I created a /etc/systemd/system/gpsd.service file and populated /etc/defaults/gpsd with the "-n" option and a specific device.
[23:00] <fluiD> woot! OK, I fixed GPSD which caused it to let go of the other serial ports. Success!
[23:00] <matsaman> what'd you do?
[23:01] <fluiD> When I discovered that GPSD wasn't updating the time, I investigated and found that I had set DEVICES="/dev/ttyACM0" which apparently isn't always the same device
[23:01] <fluiD> so I changed it to "/dev/serial/by-id/usb-u-blox_AG_-_www.u-blox.com_u-blox_7_-_GPS_GNSS_Receiver-if00"
[23:01] <matsaman> oh, cool good to know
[23:01] <fluiD> once it locked onto a device and was happy, it didn't hog the other serial ports.
[23:02] <tomreyn> ForeverNoob[m]: so for somereason this si trying to install    python3-update-manager version 1:20.04.10.1    but 1:20.04.10.5 is current on 20.04, and the version you have. so my guess is that your update-manager-core package is outdated somehow.
[23:02] <tomreyn> apt list --installed update-manager-core
[23:03] <ForeverNoob[m]> tomreyn: update-manager-core/now 1:20.04.10.1 all [installed,upgradable to: 1:20.04.10.5]
[23:03] <ForeverNoob[m]> under it: N: There is 1 additional version. Please use the '-a' switch to see it
[23:03] <ForeverNoob[m]> Would be it be best to uninstall it and then re-install the package?
[23:04] <revmacian> I've seen people try to remove python altogether and whenit didn't work they tried reinstalling
[23:04] <tomreyn> ForeverNoob[m]: you could give that a try, yes. but maybe just delete /var/cache/apt/archives/update-manager-core_1%3a20.04.10.5_all.deb and then try again
[23:07] <tomreyn> ForeverNoob[m]: searching the web for the error message you have during the    sudo apt --fix-broken install   run, i mostly find reports where people had broken hard disks, or logical errors iun underlying block deivce layers (such as software full disk or fily system encryption)
[23:08] <tomreyn> ...so you may want to also check for that
[23:09] <ForeverNoob[m]> I removed that .deb file, then did an update && upgrade, but unfortunately it still tells me to --fix-broken-install, after which the update-manager-core gets re-downloaded. If I try to remove the update-manger-core it tells me to --fix-broken-install again.
[23:10] <ForeverNoob[m]> A corrupt FS? Hmm, that would be the first time it has happened inside a VM here.
[23:12] <tomreyn> ForeverNoob[m]: more likely lower layers, i'd say. but that's really just speculation. you can use dpkg --purge to remove the package without apt trying to safeguard you.
[23:12] <tomreyn> ..and then resintall it with apt
[23:14] <ForeverNoob[m]> https://paste.debian.net/plain/1187743/ - oh wel...
[23:19] <ForeverNoob[m]> I guess I'll have to nuke my VM then
[23:19] <ForeverNoob[m]> oh yep, seems like an FS thing: kernel: [ 1356.908970] EXT4-fs error (device dm-1): ext4_lookup:1701: inode #1051767: comm dpkg: iget: checksum invalid
[23:20]  * ForeverNoob[m] is preparing the nuclear missiles.
[23:22] <ForeverNoob[m]> or perhaps it's worthwhile to try an fsck first
[23:34] <nemo> ForeverNoob[m]: you can always force dpkg removes ☺
[23:34] <nemo> ForeverNoob[m]: shredding part of the package web to fix it is not thaat bad so long as you have the .debs and are careful not to kill your entire commandline.
[23:35] <ASDX> have made the switch from centos recently. is there an "rpm -qa --last" equivalent (online, i've only found a command that extracts them from the logs)?
[23:36] <nemo> ASDX: what does that command do?
[23:36] <nemo> haven't used an RPM based distro in like 20 years
[23:37] <ASDX> nemo: provides a list of all packages sorted by their install date from the yum database
[23:37] <nemo> ASDX: hm. I've always just grepped the log...
[23:37] <nemo> but there must be something fancier
[23:40] <nemo> ASDX: huh. doesn't look like the db has that info?
[23:40] <nemo> ASDX: but... log definitely works
[23:40] <revmacian> ASDX: dpkg --get-selections will get a list of packages, but I'm not sure how to list them by install date
[23:40] <ForeverNoob[m]> nemo: you mean like this? https://paste.debian.net/plain/1187747/
[23:41] <ForeverNoob[m]> I think it's some fundamental FS problem, I get EXT4-fs errors when I try those commands.
[23:42] <nemo> ASDX:  cat <(zcat /var/log/dpkg.log*.gz) /var/log/dpkg.log.? /var/log/dpkg.log | grep -F "status installed"
[23:43] <nemo> ASDX: this seems about right on my system and gets me about a year of history
[23:43] <nemo> 3821 install actions
[23:43] <ASDX> nemo: thanks. yeh, that's what i thought. grepping through the potentially-rotated logs is a bit messy but in the world of automated builds it's not as required as it used to be
[23:44] <nemo> ASDX: you can always increase the history length ☺
[23:44] <nemo> ASDX: on my machine that year's worth of logs is only a few hundred kilobytes
[23:44] <nemo> ASDX: really setting it to store a decade's worth would be barely measurable
[23:47] <nemo> hm... let's see how compressible they'd be if hypothetically were in a long-term large bz2
[23:48] <nemo> 2.1MiB fully expanded
[23:48] <nemo> heh. 130KiB
[23:48] <sarnold> xz can do wonderful things if you really need to try to make it fit on a floppy :)
[23:48] <nemo> sarnold: can I tell logrotate to do xz?
[23:49] <nemo> sarnold: right now I'm using bz2 for our webserver, I'm open to smarter options
[23:50] <nemo> typical day has ½Mil-¾Mil log entries, and compresses to 2½-4MiB in a daily log
[23:51] <nemo> bundled up by month is like 50 megs or so
[23:52] <tomreyn> do you *need* to keep that many, that detailed, logs?
[23:52] <nemo> tomreyn: you'd be surprised
[23:52] <nemo> tomreyn: but this is literally just the apache request log. gets
[23:52] <nemo> nothing else
[23:52] <nemo> /var/log/apache2/access.log
[23:52] <nemo> default format
[23:53] <tomreyn> i'm not surprised. i'm wondering whether you gain from keeping those (or even wirting them in the first place)
[23:53] <sarnold> nemo: check out the logrotate manpage, look for compressoptions -- this blog post suggests some settings to use but I've not tested them -- they seem sane enough https://sumguy.com/logrotate-compression/
[23:54] <ASDX> nemo: re logging, i have some pets living beyond their expected lifetimes to manage!
[23:54] <nemo> tomreyn: they routinely ask for reports on fetch of specific resources
[23:55] <nemo> tomreyn: "hey, in past year how many people asked for this PDF we worked so hard on?"
[23:55] <nemo> "Please exclude the internal ranges, bots, and that known spammer using a proxy"
[23:56] <nemo> tomreyn: can probably get rid of 'em after a couple of years though and switch to aggregations then
[23:58] <tomreyn> the issue with xz -9 is it can take a good amount of cpu cycles and ram, too. though, this may not be really noticable on a server handling this many requests fine already.