[00:00] clarkk: wow that's pretty crazy.. you could try to strace chrome while it's running to get a good feeling for what exactly it's trying to do [00:01] but that might not work .. perhaps perf record if it forbids strace [00:01] clarkk: it makes little sense to use upstream binaries when there are Ubuntu provided ones [00:02] you might also consider using chromium instead of chrome, as chromium is built by sane people [00:02] the packages, that is (but also the source code is better managed) [00:09] matsaman, when you say that there are ubuntu provided ones, where can I find them? It's not in the apt repo [00:12] clarkk: you're right I don't see it, apologies [00:12] that's pretty weird [00:12] I guess Debian got tired of building packages, can't blame them chromium is a nightmare to build [00:12] that's ok. Just checking. Thanks [00:12] it's available as a snap [00:13] there's a chromium snap, afaik no chrome snap [00:13] chromium probably can't log in to google services [00:13] sarnold: what services? [00:13] sarnold, try it and see [00:13] notobvious: weird [00:15] sarnold: Thanks you for your help :) [00:15] matsaman: "Chrome sync and Click to Call" https://blog.chromium.org/2021/01/limiting-private-api-availability-in.html [00:16] bye malice30 :) have fun [00:17] sarnold, yes, that's what I can't really do without [00:17] (google signin) [00:19] sarnold: I'm guessing 0 people use those =P [00:19] matsaman: click to call, perhaps, but I've heard more than a few people say they like the synced bookmarks and whatnot [00:19] oh the times =) [00:20] yeah, if you disable password sync, it's a good feature [00:21] clarkk: given how unique upstream chrome binary is going to be, I'd say find out how to silence it / keep it out of your logs and call it a day [00:22] I suggesat reporting it as a bug :) no one needs that kind of noise [00:22] looking online, it seems to be reported all over [00:22] corporations like ignoring bugs =) [00:23] it looks to me like gnome-shell is logging it [00:24] perhaps, but if it stops when you kill chrome, that's reason enough to ask chrome devs about it [00:27] clarkk: honestly I'd just go into your logger and figure out how to omit those [00:34] sarnold, good idea - I reported the bug via the built-in reporting feature in chrome. [00:34] matsaman, do you have any idea how I could go about that? [00:36] I'd guess you're using systemd [00:38] matsaman, whatever's default in ubuntu 20.04 [00:40] clarkk: maybe this: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/335836/how-to-not-log-some-messages-in-systemd-journal [00:40] sounds like systemd sucks even more than I thought (which is amazing =P), but still should be doable [00:58] i don't know what happened but the login screen got rotated 90 degrees ccw - how do i correct this? [01:08] sarnold, thanks for your help. I filtered the messages out of the syslog using an rsyslog config, :msg,contains,"Address family not supported by protocol" /var/log/chrome-errors.log [01:09] clarkk: cool, thanks for reporting the issue :) [01:13] I have another issue, I'm afraid. I'm trying to enable notify-osd from cron, as per this script: https://github.com/tylerjwilk/pingcheck [01:14] I've confirmed the script runs as expected. When the script is run from cron, it logs to syslog, but it doesn't display a notification (unlike when it is run from the terminal) [01:14] does anyone have any ideas how I can make the notifications work? [01:25] I changed the DISPLAY variable in * * * * * env DISPLAY=:0.0 /home/username/bin/pingcheck 192.168.1.1 HomeRouter 2>&1 to DISPLAY=:1, and it works now [01:25] not sure why it worked fine before from the terminal [01:27] from the terminal it'll inherit the correct DISPLAY and XAUTHORITY variables from the shell === Underknowledge2 is now known as Underknowledge === vlm_ is now known as vlm === sz0_ is now known as sz0 === zbenjamin_ is now known as zbenjamin [03:43] Hi gys [03:45] https://www.twitch.tv/videos/934947306 I am using ubuntu 20.04. I have OBS studio. I have a windows 10 virtualbox machine. I have a NEEWAR mic that plugs into sound mic (not a usb mic). When I record streams or video in OBS studio, they sound like this. I can hear myself in a latent echo. If I stop OBS sound capture, I no longer get an echo, but then it sounds like this. Does anyone have any idea [03:45] what to do here? Tips? Thoughts? [03:53] I'm using ubuntu 20.04. I'm using gnome as the window manager. When I hit 'PrtSc', the screen flashes. Where are my the screenies saved to? [03:56] bobdobbs: your Pictures folder [03:57] thanks [04:01] mozzarella: I do not have a Pictures folder [05:25] Habrá canales en español aquí en freenode? === Patrick_ is now known as ptah [07:10] hello [07:11] I have installed the php-fpm package in 16.04, but no systemd service was installed. is this normal? [07:18] Allo! [07:19] Duo :p [07:24] need some help, noticed that my time and date format in file browser are displaying in more than one format: "d mmm yyyy" and "d mmm"... so sorting file by date is a bit tricky [07:26] Jonno_FTW: fyi, you should upgrade soon - 16.04 goes eol soon === dingir is now known as dingir_ [08:27] hi, I installed Opera browser from Ubuntu software (focal fossa) I don't understand why at the first launch of this browser, it needs around 45s to get the main windows. After, this first launch, It open normally... [10:42] Hi. I have .desktop files in ~/.local/share/applications that simply won't show up in the launcher. I've verified the syntax and tried re-login and restart. What could be the problem? [10:44] lenarhoyt: wich app is this about? [10:45] lotuspsychje: https://github.com/Fmstrat/winapps/blob/main/apps/word/info [10:46] lotuspsychje: though it seems to work for others. I cannot find a related issue. https://github.com/Fmstrat/winapps/issues/122 [10:46] Hello all. I'm having an issue installing 20.04 server. I have an old HP dc7800 which makes possible to define hardware RAID. I've defined one, but in partititon step it doesn't appear as an option and the two disks are visible independtenly. [10:47] antaresgades: you might wanna try #ubuntu-server for likeminded volunteers [10:47] Oh sorry, I didn't found that in the irc list!!! thanks a lot [10:48] lenarhoyt: thats an app for windows? [10:48] having my issues with a ubuntu20 image. in openStack I can see grub in the console, but as soon it hits the kernel I just see a dash. Console would work when I upgrade a Ubuntu18 Image. any pointers? I think it can be related to tty and or serial options [10:49] lotuspsychje: it allows to run windows apps from a vm seamless in linux DEs [10:50] @antaresgades you have to brake up the raid in the bios [10:52] lenarhoyt: did you check /usr/share/applications ? === PowerTower_121 is now known as PowerTower_120 [10:54] lotuspsychje: check for what? [10:54] lenarhoyt: try your .desktop file in there [11:07] lotuspsychje: this also does not work [11:08] lenarhoyt: hmm, you might wanna ask support on your git then i suppose maybe its your desktop file bad? [11:16] ok thanks === ace_me^^ is now known as ace_me [12:06] 'Morning folks [12:06] morning [12:07] its afternoon here === jpds_ is now known as jpds [12:27] Howdy, i hope you are having a wonderful day - i am trying to figure out where the "icons" of my applications come from: i specifically mean the icons in the top bar and the icons displayed in the notifications - i know about the "noramal" big ones, which i can configure in the .desktop files and they get pulled from my theme icons folder [12:28] I am using the default gnome3 version of ubuntu [12:30] in /usr/share/icons/ [12:30] thyriaen: indicators in the right upper corner? [12:31] lotuspsychje, yea [12:32] thyriaen: those are bound to the specific app, you can apt-cache search indicators and also tweak some settings on them from dconf-editor [12:32] lotuspsychje, ah okay - and same with the notification icons ? [12:32] Can this be done more efficiently? if (is_null($request->get('query_param')) or $request->get('query_param') === '') [12:33] i am trying to change the icon of chromium to look like e-mail whereever it appears [12:33] superschnell: something for ##linux or ##programming or #bash ? [12:33] lotuspsychje: damn, sorry, wrong channel [12:33] lotuspsychje: was intended for #php === raf_ is now known as rafael [12:47] After login, I get a full page dialog "Oh no! Something has gone wrong.." I'm not sure how to fix or diagnose (20.10) - I've had a little poke around logs but I'm not sure what's relevant to this [12:48] pr100, hit the details button? that might give a clue what application is reporting this [12:49] There is no details button - some more text and a "logout" button [12:50] it should look something like this; https://tipsonubuntu.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/disable-error-report.jpg [12:50] the remaining text reads "A problem has occurred and the system can't recover. Please log out and try again." [12:51] then do so, logout, login again? [12:51] sure - but exactly the same thing [12:52] but it's not that dialog [12:52] it's full page, white background with the text as I describe ^^ [12:53] share that error in a pic plz pr100 ? [12:54] i didnt see a white screen on death before on ubuntu [12:54] https://images.app.goo.gl/HfxdR2Cuu1ALRDpq8 - like that, but without the cross in the top left [12:54] ah - so https://images.app.goo.gl/xbSF7DGV1qimyt9j8 [12:55] that is not ubuntu, kali linux? [12:55] this is ubuntu tho' and that's what I see [12:56] 20.10 - I imagine it's a gnome thing, but I could be wrong [12:56] share your dmesg please pr100 [12:56] i never seen this on ubuntu/gnome [12:57] googleing suggests other people have experienced it ... [13:02] dmesg is here: https://pastebin.com/WDLpjGEZ === mIk3_09 is now known as mIk3_08 [13:19] !uptodate | pr100 try this? [13:19] pr100 try this?: To ensure you have all the latest known patches and security updates for your ubuntu installation, please update with the following command: `sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade`. See also !upgrades and !security; you may also need to run `apt full-upgrade`. [13:19] yeah, already tried those things [13:20] did you recently upgrade from another release? [13:22] yeah, from 20.04 to 20.10, but that was a few days ago and this problem has only appeared today - presumably as a result of upgrading some packages [13:22] pr100: try purge gnome-shell and reinstall again [13:28] hello [13:28] aha - that seems to have solved it - ty [13:28] does thunderbird have changed its colors? [13:28] now i see all white background [13:30] Hi all, I currently have a Ubuntu flavor (Pop_OS) installed, and need to install Ubuntu 18.04 alongside it. Is the Ubuntu installer going to play nice with this setup? [13:35] yes, gimmel, it will see it, give you the oppertunity to resize partition during install, and then when you boot you'll be able to choose [13:36] gimmel, the fact it's an Ubuntu variant is not important. You could even install the exact same release of Ubuntu twice on the same machine. [13:37] what client email are you using? [13:37] welcome pr100 [13:37] rory: Great! Thanks! I knew it would see Windows 10, but wasn't sure how it would go with another linux distro [13:37] I'll go give it a spin and see what I can break :) [13:41] i think with the last update thunderbird messed up the colors of the theme [13:45] Hmm. It seems the Ubuntu installer is assuming too much info if I use the "install alongside x" option. I already have a partition I want ubuntu to land in, but I don't get an option to select it. [13:48] gimmel, use manual partitioning [13:52] BluesKaj: ok, and then it asks for a location for the boot loader. If I select the current boot partition, will it clobber the boot reference for the existing Pop_OS install? [13:54] it shouldn't since popOS uses grub [13:56] but I'm not certain since I haven't that situation myself [13:56] seen [13:57] it will clobber the one that Pop OS put there, and replace it with one put there by Ubuntu, which will contain entries for both OS [13:57] the Grub menu might look different from before. [13:57] rory: thanks. I know pop_os uses a different one (slightly). That's fine. [13:58] it's odd that ubiquity doesn't recognize grub [14:05] having my issues with a ubuntu20 image. in openStack I can see grub in the console, but as soon it hits the kernel I just see a dash. Console would work when I upgrade a Ubuntu18 Image. any pointers? I think it can be related to tty and or serial options === lucas_ is now known as Guest7747 === bildramer1 is now known as bildramer [14:18] good morning [14:18] evening :p [14:19] i have a dual boot laptop ubuntu 20 and win7 ... now i want to get rid of win7: can i merge the partitions so that only ubuntu stays? [14:25] Err, formatting the Windows partition and using Gparted should do the job [14:25] Since Grub is independent of Windows, nothing wrong should happen when booting [14:26] is this recommended, or would a new full ubuntu install be better? [14:26] Err, a full install would obviously do the job but then you had need to setup the whole system again. If you're okay with that , then that's cool [14:28] i actually tried to do a new install, the 20.10 version, however, when loading, it got stuck on a black screen just with the words "welcome to GRUB" with no options left for me but to unplug [14:29] Did you wipe the whole partitions when reinstalling? [14:30] I'd just keep the partitions as they are [14:30] and maybe format the windows partition for data or so [14:30] less annoying than messing with the OS Partition and the partition table [14:30] no Kirk, i didn't do anything: just rebooted with the usb inserted [14:31] As cbreak says , just formatting Windows partition should be the straight forward way [14:32] and when deleting windows, will the pc automatically start up in ubuntu, or will it not recognize that win is gone, and leave this option? [14:32] Orvalvisje: you can certainly boot into a live cd/usb and delete the Windows partition and then resize your Ubuntu partition to take over the rest of the sapce [14:32] space* [14:34] Orvalvisje: you can manipulate what your firmware lets you boot from with `efibootmgr` on the CLI [14:34] it's ... not intuitive [14:34] hello guys [14:34] cbreak: you're making the assumption that they are running UEFI at all [14:35] yes. A good assumption. [14:35] bios is so outdated :) [14:35] cbreak: I purposely disable EFI whenever possible to keep things simple and with less issues [14:36] got 1 question ......why in linux nothing ever works the way they are supposed to ....... every comand i write every program i install is going trough hell to making it work [14:36] I purposefully disable BIO when ever possible to avoid all the trouble with the legacy junk [14:36] and get faster boot times [14:36] well, talking about outdated: i am using a pretty old pc, i think 2010 [14:36] HoLyDea7h: This is a support channel. If you have an issue, please explain in detail, preferably with exact error messages posted to pastebin so we can help. One issue at a time please. [14:37] HoLyDea7h: I suspect it's user error :P [14:37] Orvalvisje: ok, then you more than likely do not have EFI with " not intuitive" issues. [14:37] things usually work as they're supposed to, but you might not realize this since your expectations are different [14:37] cbreak: that is not helpful. Please don't. [14:38] getting used to the idea behind linux is a worthwhile thing to do, if you plan to use it [14:38] 1st isssue easy - bottom left menu in ubuntu the mouse name ? XD i will call it Jerry for short .when i click it and type tweaks it doesnt show up i have to go in "software" and press launch [14:39] and starting software is so slowwwwww...... [14:39] HoLyDea7h: what version of ubuntu are you runnin? [14:40] xubuntu latest belive it must be 20.4 [14:42] HoLyDea7h: Any particular reason you are running Xubuntu over the default desktop? What are the specs of your machine? [14:44] leftyfb: asus x550 intel celleron 4 ram [14:45] default ubuntu was laggy on videos didnt work well for me [14:46] HoLyDea7h: open up "Software & Updates" and go to the "Additional Drivers" tab [14:47] not avaible [14:47] Any application in Ubuntu that will show on my desktop two time zone along with UTC timing? [14:48] node1: go to https://extensions.gnome.org/ and search for "timezone" or "clock". See if any of those works for you [14:48] node1, gnome-clocks https://itsfoss.com/add-multiple-time-zones-ubuntu/ [14:49] Like two local timezone along with UTC timing on desktop [14:49] and ask every channel where you are in :-D [14:49] node1: please see my first response to you [14:50] lefty how do i @ u ? [14:51] HoLyDea7h: you type my name, hit tab and it should autocomplete and stick : at the end, the you type your response [14:51] HoLyDea7h: as for private messages, we don't do that here [14:52] HoLyDea7h: I would look to see what video chipset you have and try to install the proper drivers for it. [14:52] back to the topic all drivers are installed [14:52] leftyfb, thanks <3 [14:53] ok, at the moment i am trying to install ubuntu 20.10, but the usb stick startup keeps stuck at a black screen with just "GRUB" in the left top corner... is it a matter of (a really long) waiting? [14:55] leftyfb: Thanks [14:56] Orvalvisje, during my install i had progress bar did you go trough all steps if you hit install then its matter of time ,which depends on your machine after that theres progress bar if it doesnt change (fill) for a really long time maybe start over [14:57] Orvalvisje, and yeah ....it was pretty slow for me .....but what do i know im on a laptop [14:58] i am waiting quite a bit already, and i can not see any light flickering (nor the hd nor the usb) - and i am on a very old laptop [14:59] and for example, taking out the usb stick, nothing happens [14:59] if doubt just start over but dont do it 20 times....after hit install go out have a coffee hit on some lady take her home show her your room and the linux logo .....after ur done maybe your laptop will be too [14:59] :D [15:00] i rather like the idea, but i don't think my wife likes it as much as i do :p [15:00] then take her to her home .....maybe she runs on linux too :D [15:00] lol [15:01] sorry for the offtopic everyone hope its not against the rules [15:01] but anyway, i tried about 5 times already, every time another usb entrance, also reinstalled the iso image on the usb stick, but it's always the same [15:02] My Ubuntu image viewer doesn't open .webp files [15:02] unsupported format [15:04] can i do a new install from within ubuntu? do i need the usb stick? [15:04] Orvalvisje, did you try another usb ? Are you familiar with the steps ? Did you make / (root partition) and swap and efi ? [15:06] Orvalvisje, its aways best trough usb ....i tried installing from windows and got grub problems [15:06] i did not try another stick, for the fact that i don't have another one, and i did not do anything of those things you asked, because i made the stick within ubuntu and it says that i just need to insert the stick and the rest will be automatically [15:07] raffaem2: tried VLC or mplayer? [15:07] Orvalvisje, then they may be already set but in any case you may try to make the partitions manualy ,also i had problems when i tried to make 1 partition for the system and another for my files (like C and D in windows) so i did 1 partition for everything and it worked fine [15:09] Orvalvisje, i am new to linux trying to help because i installed it 10 times already until i find good distro for me xD ,maybe someone more familiar could help you [15:10] So can someone be kind enough and help me out with not being able to find gnome tweaks in the search and some other issues ? [15:11] don't worry, HolyDea7h, you are helping me a lot ;) [15:11] try gnome-tweaks [15:12] wish your wife could say im helping you Orvalvisje hope shes not armed XD [15:12] lol [15:12] i better watch out for incoming missles [15:13] Thank you for being so kind [15:15] i found another stick, i'm going to try it again [15:16] Orvalvisje, hope i didnt offend you ,it was a joke ....i used to adore womens in every possible way ....till i found my woman .....now i hate the very existence of them xD [15:16] Good luck ! [15:16] don't worry Holy, i wasn't offended ;) [15:19] Need help with software not showing up outside of software store and extentions tab on tweaks not showing up this way i cant turn on caffeine :( [15:19] im on xubunt 20.4 [15:19] im on xubuntu 20.4 [15:22] HoLyDea7h: gnome-tweak wouldn't be installed, nor will be fully functional if you're running xubuntu. [15:23] or not [15:37] so, tried a new usb stick, but yet again it freezes with the word GRUB on the screen... [15:38] so, is there a way to do a new install from within ubuntu itself? === Manouchehri_ is now known as Manouchehri [15:49] Orvalvisje, did you check the sha sum of the iso you downloaded? [15:50] i have no idea what that means, coconut [15:52] !md5 | Orvalvisje [15:52] Orvalvisje: To verify your Ubuntu ISO image (or other files for which an MD5 checksum is provided), see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM or http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/LQ_ISO/Checking_the_md5sum_in_Windows [15:53] Orvalvisje, with a sum you can check the integrity of a file so there are no mistakes exceptions [15:53] these days, its also automatic checked on live aswell [15:53] so, you are saying that, even though i downloaded it from the ubuntu site, the file may be corrupted? [15:56] Orvalvisje, possibly, yes, but with small chances... (things like hacking or with transferring the data from server to your pc) [15:56] that's why i always download from the torrents [15:56] Orvalvisje, what iso did you download? [15:57] ubuntu 20.10 desktop amd64 [15:58] firefox opens them [15:59] Orvalvisje, get the SHA256SUMS file here and then check the iso with a summer http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases/20.10/release/ [16:00] Orvalvisje, and if that is hard to do... then you can consider to use to download the iso with an torrent client, which does check that automaticly. [16:06] My boot time from cold start is 2.5 - 3 min. Any way to speed it up? Ubuntu 20.04 with Cinnamon 4.4.8 16GB RAM, 2.5 Ghz processor, Intel© Core™ i5-2520M CPU @ 2.50GHz × 2 [16:08] ok, downloading via torrent [16:08] i tried to have a go at the step-by-step thingy, but it seems a bit complicated, and time is getting short for me [16:08] nunya, what does journalctl give? journalctl -b -0 # shows messages from the current boot [16:09] or; systemd-analyze blame [16:10] ok, and i have a download error in "transmission": "error:no data found!Ensure your drives are connected or use set location. To re-dpwnload, remove the torrent and re-add it" [16:10] oerheks:https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/5hRdWyrQmN/ [16:11] nunya, i am not sure... but i think you want to check whether you have a hdd or a ssd disk in use. And if hdd, you want to see if want and can upgrade to ssd. [16:11] journalctl > journalctl -b -0 [16:12] from the beginning of the boot please [16:12] ssd's can speed up boot times significantly [16:13] nunya, just listen to oerheks... [16:13] oerheks: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/kvw2btmhZs/ [16:13] nunya: sudo apt install preload stacer haveged and tweak systemd services and startup items [16:46] i'm running lubuntu 18.04.5 and the apt package available for latexml is version 0.8.2. i know a version 0.8.4 package is availalbe - how to get it installed ? [16:47] !info latexml [16:47] latexml (source: latexml): LaTeX to XML Converter. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.8.4-1 (focal), package size 1993 kB, installed size 9195 kB [16:48] yates, by upgrading unbuntu to a newer version or by adding a ppa, if available [16:48] yates: the 0.8.4-1 version is only available in ubuntu 20.04, not 18.04 [16:48] yates, ppa's are not supported though [16:49] coconut: how do i determine if a ppa (whatever that is) for 0.8.4 is available? [16:50] upgrading to 20.04 is not an option for me [16:50] i am required by my employer to stick with 18.04 [16:53] yates, i searched and i do not think there is an ppa for that available for that [16:56] coconut: what about this? https://launchpad.net/~matteosecli/+archive/ubuntu/latexml [16:57] yates, 0.8.4 should be available via snap btw [16:57] ioria: what is "snap"? [16:57] !snap [16:57] Snaps are containerised software packages similar to flatpaks or appimage. For more info, see https://snapcraft.io [16:59] so i followed the "Adding this PPA to you system" directions, and it appeared to do some work, but latexml is not avilable: https://launchpad.net/~matteosecli/+archive/ubuntu/latexml [17:01] nm [17:01] i see [17:01] hm. after a bunch of dpkg -i/-r --force-all and copying over some configs from a cheatsheet fresh ubuntu 16.04 install I think I managed to remotely repair my mom's hopelessly tangled 12.04 [17:02] thanks to aptitude and ruthlessly deleting anything old that halted the graph resolve [17:02] now on to 20.04 [17:02] probably by way of 18.04 === Patrick_ is now known as ptah [17:15] hi [17:16] hey guys im having troubles with my cursor ,i looked up the internet but i cant get the comand to work ....i like black cursor but on my browser its white and thats poking my eyes [17:17] sudo update-alternatives --install /usr/share/icons/default/index.theme /home/user/.icons/Sweet-cursors/ 51 [17:17] thats the comand i use [17:18] can someone tell me whats wrong about this command ? [17:19] anyone ? [17:21] where'd you get that command from? [17:21] there probably shouldn't be a space between / and 51 [17:21] from internet im trying to add another cursor to the list of 9 cursors so i can set global one [17:22] I'm just surprised that one can use a local home location for a global cursor [17:22] hope that doesn't cause any permission issues [17:23] well that local is for pointing where my cursor theme is [17:23] thats the path to the theme i want to be global [17:23] it will surely cause lots of issues, but update-alternatives is just a (very fancy) frontend to ln ... so why wouldnt it place such links [17:24] if you want a theme to be global, put it in a global location on your machine ... not in a hidden folder of someones home dir [17:25] okay ......so where do i put it so lately i can pick it from mouse and touchpad [17:27] btw im using xubuntu xfce [17:27] if its making any difference [17:27] normlly icon themes go to a subfolder in /usr/share/icons/ [17:27] named after the theme [17:29] that folder is permision locked i cant place anything there [17:30] ogra, [17:30] HoLyDea7h: that's what sudo is for 😝 [17:30] ogra, i think everything in share is read only [17:30] HoLyDea7h: although /usr/local is probably a better idea [17:31] then you probably shouldnt ... given you have not yet learned the concept of sudo 🙂 [17:32] nemo, is right that you should normally put locally maintained adjustments to /usr/local ... but i'm not sure /usr/local/share is in the theme search path ... which is why i suggested /usr/sher [17:32] *share [17:32] ogra: ah... I figured that update-alternatives command was intended to add it to the path [17:32] ogra: thus the need to specify the 2nd location [17:32] but I'm not very familiar with update alternatives. [17:32] I just know that mixing "sudo" and /home/user is probably a bad idea 😉 [17:32] it usually adds a chain of links [17:33] i want to apt install libegl-dev, but i get libegl-dev : Depends: libegl1 (= 1.3.1-1) but 1.3.2-1~ubuntu0.20.04.1 is to be installed [17:33] look in /etc/alternatives and follow the chain 😉 [17:33] ogra: yeah. that much I know. so figured it was just one more link, only to /usr/local [17:33] ogra: usually putting custom stuff in /usr/share risks package cleanup issues [17:33] i did apt update && apt upgrade [17:33] as long as the file/dir name doesnt clash with something from a package it wont hurt [17:34] guys can you simply point me to the folder or write down sudo comand that i can use so the cursor doesnt go " black and yellow" all the time [17:34] im sure u know and your cursor dont act strange [17:35] * ogra just usues the default cursor on all his machines [17:35] im couple of days old linux user ...... [17:36] i just want to make that terrible xfce look nice .... [17:36] its like windows xp had older brother look [17:36] maybe windows 98 upgraded :D [17:38] alright .....so can you help me with my other ....worst problems ? I cant find gnome tweaks in whiskers ..... i can only start it by going in software shop and start it [17:39] im also missing extensions tab in gnome tweaks and i cant add caffeine that can keep my monitor on during videos (so it doesnt log me out) [17:40] by " and start it " i meant "and launch" it [17:41] nemo, or ogra any ideas ? [17:44] weird, 'ii libegl1:amd64 1.3.2-1~ubuntu0.20.04.1' is installed but 'apt show libegl-dev|grep -i version' shows 'Version: 1.3.1-1' [17:44] HoLyDea7h: eh. expressed my opinions earlier. don't put it in your user home, and I'm surprised any guide you read online would recommend that [17:44] HoLyDea7h: if you're not familiar with commandline to point of copying stuff to /usr/local, I'm thinking you should have step by step instructions [17:45] nemo, i meant about my other question read the 2 lines above [17:45] Ah. no idea about those. thought you were pinging me about the things I'd actually expressed an interest in 😉 [17:45] about the gnome tweaks problems [17:45] I don't use gnome anymore, just mate, and have no idea what whiskers is [17:45] I'm mostly here due to the surgery I was doing on my mom's ubuntu over the weekend to rescue it from mangled 12.04 limbo. I use Devuan these days [17:46] 14.04 was my last ubuntu ☺ [17:46] whiskers is the search menu in the left where all programs are .....like program explorer [17:46] ah [17:46] HoLyDea7h: well... usually menu systems show stuff based on the .desktop files [17:46] so the system ones, plus any .local overrides you might have done (and probably didn't) [17:47] so maybe that file has a badly configured .desktop [17:47] HoLyDea7h: usually you can manually add entries there though. Although again, unfamiliar with gnome these days [17:47] and checking .desktop file for the app is where I'd go if it wasn't showing up in a DE [17:48] Im realy tired .....using linux for the past few days is ......figuring solutions for dumb problems 90 % of the time and watching youtube 10 % of the time [17:48] heh [17:48] linux should be more user friendly [17:48] that's been the complaint for decades. it is better than it was [17:48] although no idea what ubuntu has been up to these days [17:48] I'm pretty happy w/ my MATE desktop on Devuan but then, I've been using linux since 1996 so I probably have blind spots to issues [17:48] they advertise it as the "easiest" linux for new users [17:49] it probably is [17:49] ......yeah right ... [17:49] HoLyDea7h: well. new users maybe shouldn't be doing manual cursor installs system-wide 😉 [17:49] maybe stick w/ default cursors and whatever you can find in package management [17:50] heck. new users maybe should be avoiding anything with word "tweaks" in the name until they are more comfortable [17:50] probably ....but can you google how xfce default desctop looks ? [17:50] maybe new users should keep customising to a minimum until they are comfortable [17:50] please .....do me that favour :D [17:50] I don't care for XFCE4 themeing or layout [17:50] there's a reason I use MATE [17:50] I made an honest effort at unity and gnome3 but got tired of it fast [17:50] sooo back to my nice traditional layout [17:51] so sad ....cinnamon looks amazing but it works terribly on xubuntu .... it needs the original ubuntu [17:51] thanks about the chat it was nice [17:52] not familiar with cinnamon either [17:52] but MATE should work fine on any minimalist distro [17:52] and for that matter, any DE should work fine on any ubuntu [17:52] i will deffinetly stop using sudo comands until im more terminal friendly xD [17:53] HoLyDea7h: cinnamon is a DE, just like xfce. Cinnamon does not run on top of XFCE, it runs instead of [17:54] yeah i know but also it doesnt work right on top of xubuntu ....not like on ubuntu [17:54] but i cant use ubuntu cuz its too demanding for my asus laptop [17:55] HoLyDea7h: no, I don't think you're getting it. Cinnamon is a DE that can run on Ubuntu. Or you can use XFCE. Or you can use the default Ubuntu uses which is Gnome Shell. They all run separate [17:55] if your laptop has an intel card, it's possible a gl accelerated desktop might perform badly [17:55] HoLyDea7h: what's your ASUS laptop model? [17:55] HoLyDea7h: what leftyfb said - you should be able to select them all at the login screen [17:55] HoLyDea7h: https://itsfoss.com/install-cinnamon-on-ubuntu/ [17:55] asus x550sa [17:55] intel celeron 4gb ram [17:56] HoLyDea7h: you should try Ubuntu Mate. But also, maybe look into upgrading that memory. That might help quite a bit [17:56] poor 600 $ i spend on that crap...should have build pc [17:56] :D [17:56] HoLyDea7h: Does it have an SSD? [17:56] nope 1000 hdd [17:56] Hm [17:56] has a dual card design [17:56] intel/amd [17:57] Linux is a bit better at handling those these days [17:57] HoLyDea7h: an SSD and 16G of memory would be night and day on that machine [17:57] But it's not out of the realm of possibility that maybe possibly it is using the wrong card. [17:57] leftyfb: does ubuntu install firmware for amd/nvidia by default these days? [17:57]