[00:09] <OvenWerks> is snap the next upstart?
[00:28] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: No, this is just a backend to allow people to use Discover to install snaps. Still allows debs to install by default.
[00:28] <Eickmeyer[m]> We have it in 20.10, but in 21.04 it changed package name.
[00:45] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]:  I mean when will snaps become flatpacks...
[04:18] <MauroGaspari[m]> OvenWerks you think canonical will abandon snaps? 
 not any time soon since Ubuntu Desktop has a dependency on them
 :P
[04:29] <OvenWerks> MauroGaspari[m]: remember upstart, the DE before gnome scree,
 OvernWerks: um, you mean Unity?
[04:30] <OvenWerks> something like that, but it was based on something other than gnoome
 Upstart was the replacement for SystemV.  which was replaced by SystemD now.
 s/systemv/sysvinit/
[04:30] <OvenWerks> exactly
 Unity was the DE that replaced GNOME 2 and now they're back on Gnome
[04:31] <OvenWerks> exactly
[04:31] <OvenWerks> that is why I ask about snaps when it seems flatpack is where things are going
 Canonical :P
[08:27] <MauroGaspari[m]> <OvenWerks "Mauro Gaspari: remember upstart,"> yes I see your point of view. I hope they are here to stay as long as they keep improving. Some snaps still have horrible startup time. First launch after boot. But for me, snaps are way better than having 300 PPAs. especially since ubuntu is not rolling, having to support users to purge PPAs, then re enable after release upgrade, is a massive pain
[14:46] <BrianHechinger[m> snaps aren't without their issues though. The circleci-cli snap won't work for me because it needs to write to /tmp which fails. Even with --classic. :(
[14:58] <MauroGaspari[m]> <BrianHechinger[m "snaps aren't without their issue"> auch. now we see why many users get to move to manjaro or arch. one single AUR vs a sea of PPAs or snaps or flatpaks to navigate. And no release upgrades which means no need to fiddle with the repos. Not saying Arch and Manjaro are perfect. But they are really convenient for the users.
[14:59] <MauroGaspari[m]> Eickmeyer: Manjaro studio when? 😆 Lol just kidding 😅
[16:18] <OvenWerks> MauroGaspari[m]: the arch community is quite up to date with audio already
[16:19] <OvenWerks> MauroGaspari[m]: they are some of the people who are pushing the studio-controls dev
[17:22] <MauroGaspari[m]> <OvenWerks "Mauro Gaspari: they are some of "> very interesting. So you think that studio controls and let's say an ubuntu-studio setup can be easily achieved using manjaro or arch too?
 i think that's outside the scope of the Ubuntu Studio mindset ;)
 just saying :P
[17:33] <Eickmeyer[m]> Agreed, it's outside the scope. Arch is very much a "roll it yourself" thing and Manjaro is just an easy base to a "roll it yourself".
[17:36] <MauroGaspari[m]> Sure, no problem. I was just curious because I have never seen any good documentation on how to achieve what Ubuntu Studio does. 
[17:37] <MauroGaspari[m]>  * Sure, no problem. I was just curious because I have never seen any good documentation on how to achieve what Ubuntu Studio does on arch-based systems