[01:48] <pieq> Morning!
[01:51] <duflu> Morning pieq 
[01:52] <pieq> g'day duflu !
[01:52] <pieq> I'm irrationally excited about PipeWire: https://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/847412/d7826b1353e33734/
[02:14] <callmepk> morning pieq duflu 
[02:15] <duflu> Hi callmepk 
[02:15] <duflu> pieq, we'll probably switch to PipeWire for audio in 21.10
[02:18] <pieq> duflu, you answered the question I didn't dare asking. That's good to know!
[02:19] <pieq> I'm especially excited about this as a replacement for JACK. Last year I helped a musician friend setting up his laptop on Linux, and because he needed low-latency, we setup JACK. As he had never used Linux before, it was quite a ride for him
[02:21] <sarnold> heh, the last time I used jack was ~dozen years ago and it was a bit of a chore even then
[02:23] <duflu> I'm still recovering from the ALSA to PulseAudio transition, so am in no hurry
[02:25] <sarnold> 12.04 was my first with pulseaudio I think, and I remember needing to killall pulseaudio *so* much
[02:29] <pieq> duflu  🤣
[02:30] <pieq> yes, the article mentions the painful transition. It seems that a lot of lessons have been learned, and people seem to be willing to work together to make PipeWire more successful
[02:30] <JanC> I've been using PulseAudio since back when it was called PolypAudio...
[02:31] <sarnold> (and similarly, I'm grateful for our friends at fedora and arch for shaking out the early pipwire bugs :)
[02:36] <jamesh> What's the story for Pulse native protocol clients with Pipewire these days?
[02:36] <jamesh> last I looked they were only offering library-level compatibility
[02:38] <JanC> that should probably be enough?
[02:38] <pieq> jamesh, according to the LWN article: "PulseAudio applications are supported through a pipewire-pulse daemon that listens to PulseAudio's own socket and implements its native communication protocol. This way, containerized desktop applications that use their own copy of the native PulseAudio client libraries are still supported."
[02:38] <jamesh> pieq: sounds good.
[02:39] <jamesh> pieq: sandboxed applications was my concern
[06:39] <seb128> goood morning desktopers
[07:15] <duflu> Morning seb128 
[07:24] <jibel> Good morning everyone
[07:36] <duflu> Hi jibel 
[07:48] <marcustomlinson> morning seb128 duflu jibel
[07:51] <duflu> Hi marcustomlinson 
[07:55] <jamesh> hi marcustomlinson 
[07:59] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[08:00] <ricotz> good morning desktopers!
[08:01] <ricotz> seb128, hi, looks like syncpackage is working again :)
[08:02] <duflu> Hi oSoMoN and ricotz 
[08:02] <oSoMoN> hey ricotz, duflu 
[08:04] <ricotz> hey duflu oSoMoN 
[08:08] <didrocks> good morning
[08:08] <jibel> salut didrocks 
[08:09] <didrocks> salut jibel 
[08:16] <marcustomlinson> hey jamesh oSoMoN ricotz didrocks
[08:16] <oSoMoN> salut didrocks, jibel 
[08:16] <oSoMoN> morning marcustomlinson 
[08:17] <oSoMoN> look, Howard's being eaten!
[08:17] <marcustomlinson> hahaha
[08:17] <Nafallo> moin desktopers! :-)
[08:18] <oSoMoN> hey Nafallo 
[08:18] <marcustomlinson> hey Nafallo
[08:24] <duflu> Hi didrocks and Nafallo 
[08:29] <jibel> Salut oSoMoN 
[08:30] <didrocks> hey marcustomlinson, oSoMoN, duflu 
[08:46] <seb128> hey duflu marcustomlinson jibel oSoMoN didrocks ricotz Nafallo, how are you?
[08:47] <jibel> salut seb128 
[08:47] <oSoMoN> salut seb128 
[08:49] <didrocks> salut seb128 
[08:50] <duflu> Salut seb128. Going OK. You?
[08:55] <seb128> yes, doing alright! a bit of a start of cold, I hope I'm going to shake it out before the weekend!
[08:56] <marcustomlinson> seb128: doing alright thanks, you?
[08:56] <marcustomlinson> seb128: sorry just read your response above
[08:56] <seb128> marcustomlinson, see ^ :-)
[08:56] <marcustomlinson> yeah, hope you get better
[09:01] <lan3y> yo
[09:01] <lan3y> ooh
[09:01] <lan3y> fancy nick
[09:01] <duflu> Hi lan3y, if indeed that is your real name
[09:02] <jibel> Hi lan3y 
[09:02]  * Laney shows official identification
[09:02] <Laney> 04/03 09:02:34  -!- Laney <~laney@ubuntu/member/laney>
[09:02] <Laney> Freenode believes me, that's good enough for you people
[09:03] <Nafallo> seb128: finally done with re-booking dental appointment they gave me at random :-P
[09:04] <oSoMoN> morning Laney 
[09:04] <Laney> hey duflu jibel oSoMoN :>
[09:05] <oSoMoN> buon giorno Trevinho, when you're around could you please review https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/gjs/-/merge_requests/16 and if it looks alright merge and upload to experimental, so we can sync in hirsute?
[09:06] <marcustomlinson> hey Laney
[09:11] <Laney> moin marcustomlinson 
[10:47] <oSoMoN> seb128, I've looked at the libraw build failure on ppc64el, and I think this minimal patch makes sense, wdyt? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/MMpffG6NTn/
[10:48] <oSoMoN> I'm not super proficient with symbols files, but my understanding is that for C++ libs, template instantiations (like these ones for std::vector) should always be marked optional anyway, is that correct?
[10:48] <seb128> oSoMoN, wfm, I don't know if arch-bits=64 should be removed or not, doesn't make much of a difference?
[10:49] <seb128> I'm not an expert either but I think so
[10:49] <oSoMoN> if it's optional, it is for all architectures
[10:49] <oSoMoN> so keeping the arch specifier wouldn't add any value
[10:50] <oSoMoN> and the followup question is: does this require a soname bump? (I'd tend to think, and hope, that it doesn't)
[10:51] <seb128> that upload includes a soname change
[10:52] <seb128> but otherwise for the question I don't know, I don't understand cpp symbols and mangling and visibility enough to say if that's an ABI change or just a weirdness in the .symbols
[10:54] <GunnarHj> Good day, seb128! Can you please sync ibus and ibus-anthy?
[10:55] <seb128> GunnarHj, hey, ok
[12:32]  * Laney eyes libsoup tests
[12:32] <Laney> it does look like new glib breaks those
[12:39] <fossfreedom> Hi all.  Any chance someone could help Ubuntu Budgie out with this gnome-remote-desktop issue please? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-remote-desktop/+bug/1915752
[12:44] <Laney> fossfreedom: suggest you speak to smcv in #debian-gnome, that's who added the dependency, not personally familiar with what requires what
[12:45] <fossfreedom> Thx
[12:47] <seb128> Laney, I mentioned it on my weekly report but https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/libsoup/-/issues/215
[12:47] <Laney> yeah thanks, I found it
[12:50] <seb128> np!
[15:27] <hellsworth> good morning desktopers
[15:39] <oSoMoN> hullo hellsworth 
[15:39] <hellsworth> well hullo oSoMoN :)
[15:53] <jibel> hola hellsworth 
[16:04] <hellsworth> hola jibel !
[18:34] <oSoMoN> seb128, when you get a chance, please review/merge/upload https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/evolution-data-server/-/merge_requests/3
[18:40] <oSoMoN> (I uploaded https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution-data-server/3.39.2-0ubuntu1 in the meantime)
[18:57] <darth_lamus> lol, do you guys have any experience with gnome-panel?
[19:00] <darth_lamus> im trying to add an applet but when i hold down the alt key and right click on top desktop bar, it doesn't show the menu to add applet
[19:07] <seb128> oSoMoN, thanks, merged now
[19:08] <oSoMoN> cheers
[19:36] <seb128> oSoMoN, kenvandine, Laney, could one of you try to sync ibus, Gunnar requested it but I'm getting some timeout here, unsure if that's on my side of things?
[20:06] <oSoMoN> seb128, from unstable, right?
[20:07] <seb128> yes
[20:08] <oSoMoN> done
[20:15] <ricotz> seb128, do you mind syncing vala for real which should work again?
[20:15] <seb128> thx
[20:15] <seb128> k
[20:15] <seb128> :-)
[20:15] <ricotz> :)