[00:00] <nemo> tomreyn: yeah, probably not. modern servers are impressive things. this is dynamic content too
[00:00] <nemo> (drupal)
[00:01] <ASDX> if you enable "refresh-installer" with autoinstall, does it actually change the files/packages that are installed?
[00:44] <acu> is any application / utility / way to assess the left life of an SSD ?
[00:50] <catbeard> you'd usually use fstrim once a week/month
[00:50] <catbeard> not sure if smartctl will report correctly nowadays
[02:21] <thyriaen> I am running a kinda curious setup but here is what i would like to do: If i am within chrome ( which is not my default system webbrowser ) and i click on a hyperlink, which opens a new window - i would like that window to open in my default webbrowser instead of chrome - is there any way i can achieve that ?
[02:28] <mozzarella> zsh: command not found: syslog
[02:28] <mozzarella> is that right?
[02:29] <sarnold> mozzarella: what are you trying to do? I don't recall ever seeing a 'syslog' command before
[02:34] <mozzarella> sarnold: what's the name of the command that prints the entire system log?
[02:36] <Bashing-om> mozzarella: ' journalctl -b -0 ' shows messages from the current boot.
[02:40] <mozzarella> this is what I get when my  mouse stops working:
[02:40] <mozzarella> Mar 03 21:39:40 fievel kernel: usb 2-1.4: reset full-speed USB device number 30 using ehci-pci
[02:48] <mozzarella> duuuh, dmesg is what I was looking for
[02:48] <mozzarella> I think I've got dementia
[02:49] <abesab> I'm performing an unattended install
[02:49] <abesab> Using Virtualbox, which I think behind the scenes uses d-i
[02:50] <abesab> From what I understand, it ends up using `in-target` with the command I provide it
[02:51] <abesab> So I'm trying to run a `snap install htop`. That doesn't seem to work. But right before it the apt-get update, upgrade, and install for a bunch of packages does work
[02:51] <abesab> Is there anything special about `snap` that it won't work with `in-target` ?
[02:55] <sarnold> abesab: what error do you get?
[02:55] <sarnold> abesab: I can't recall now if you have to have an account authenticated with snap or not before you can install anything; it might be worth getting a clean vm up and running and then try it out and see what happens
[02:58] <ASDX> is there something to check the syntax of an autoinstall user-data file before actually kicking of an install?
[02:59] <sarnold> not that I know of
[02:59] <abesab> sarnold: No errors, just this: Warning: /snap/bin was not found in your $PATH. If you've not restarted your session since you installed snapd, try doing that. Please see https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/9469 for more details.
[02:59] <abesab> htop 3.0.5 from Maximiliano Bertacchini (maxiberta) installed
[03:01] <ASDX> sarnold: getting the "storage" section working ain't so easy. copied a working one from the log file and trying to adjust that
[03:01] <sarnold> abesab: hrm. I wonder why that didn't work from your preseeding thing then :(
[03:01] <sarnold> ASDX: ugh :(
[03:01] <sarnold> ASDX: it's probably worth a bug report, either on the docs or the tooling :) to either ask for some samples that show something as common as "let me allocate the whole drive" or help you find errors, etc
[03:04] <abesab> sarnold: Here's another command that fails: ** Executing: chroot /target sudo -u pc gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.screensaver lock-enabled false
[03:04] <abesab> (process:69608): dconf-WARNING **: 18:22:50.552: failed to commit changes to dconf: Error spawning command line ?dbus-launch --autolaunch= --binary-syntax --close-stderr?: Child process exited with code 1
[03:05] <abesab> This one I think I might be able to figure out since at least it gives some info
[03:05] <mozzarella> guys help
[03:05] <sarnold> heh, sooooo close on that one; are you perhaps already chroot'd to /target at that point?
[03:06] <sarnold> mozzarella: if your mouse is plugged into a hub, does the hub have enough power for all the devices on the hub?
[03:06] <mozzarella> sarnold: it's not plugged into a hub
[03:07] <sarnold> mozzarella: okay, that moves the question a bit :) is your computer power supply large enough for the load?
[03:07] <abesab> sarnold: Re: chroot, no because in the post-install-command I actually provide this: `log_command_in_target sudo -u pc gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.screensaver lock-enabled false`
[03:08] <mozzarella> sarnold: yes
[03:08] <abesab> sarnold: `log_command_in_target` is provided in the sh file by Virtualbox; it does the chroot for me
[03:09] <sarnold> mozzarella: well, that's good, but it does mean I'm now out of ideas
[03:09] <sarnold> abesab: aha
[03:10] <sarnold> abesab: maaaaybe try sudo -u pc -i
[03:11] <abesab> Thanks I'll give that a shot
[03:12] <user01> hi which ubuntu flavor would work well for a miniPC multimedia front end . . . Beelink U57 to be precise
[03:17] <abesab> user01: Can you elaborate on your use case?
[03:19] <user01> abesab, it is going to be hooked up to a 4k projector and then ill want to play 4k movies on it, and have a dac attached to it
[03:19] <abesab> So you'll run plex on it for example?
[03:20] <user01> kodi or something sure
[03:20] <user01> i thought plex was a server
[03:21] <user01> maybe plex . . . if the miniPC has the power
[03:22] <Toadisattva> really any buntu flavor should work fine, you can just have it autostart kodi/plex whatever and boot right into your main interface
[03:22] <abesab> Yes it is. I don't have a lot of experience with other flavors, but I've ran into issues when using kubuntu/xubuntu/lubuntu and trying to switch the desktop manager. I'd recommend starting with plain Ubuntu and only customizing it or switching to another flavor if you have issues.
[03:22] <user01> the idea is to have it attach to a usb3 storage device with movies and audio on it, attach to a projector via hdmi, attach to a dac via usb
[03:23] <abesab> Ubuntu should be the most stable of the buntu flavors, AFAIK (I could be wrong)
[03:23] <user01> i thought maybe xubuntu would be nice and lightweight
[03:23] <user01> i use xfce on most of my other computers
[03:23] <Toadisattva> xubuntu is pretty stable, personally I use kubuntu for everything but it's not as lightweight
[03:24] <user01> should i do any custom hard drive partitioning?
[03:25] <Bashing-om> user01: lightweight == https://unit193.net/xubuntu/core/ :D
[03:25] <user01> i got this front end because my laptop is too old to push 4k@60Hz, 30Hz is very choppy
[03:26] <user01> this $250 mini PC can supposedly push 4k@60hz on two monitors :P
[03:26] <Toadisattva> I think you actually could put ubuntu core on there and have it just boot into kodi
[03:27] <Toadisattva> at one point there was a full kodibuntu distro
[03:27] <Toadisattva> but I think they abandoned it after 16.04
[03:27] <user01> im not really sure if 4k@60hz means it will support pushing uhd
[03:28] <user01> streams
[03:28] <user01> via hdmi
[03:28] <Toadisattva> it should as long as you are using an hdmi2 compatible cable and the device you are outputting to supports it
[03:28] <user01> yes the projector does
[03:29] <user01> and it came with a hdmi2 cord
[03:29] <Toadisattva> perfect you should be good to go
[03:30] <user01> I have an external usb drive that is luks encrypted with videos
[03:30] <Toadisattva> oh 5th gen i5 and 8 gb ram
[03:30] <Toadisattva> yeah you can throw any buntu on there no problem
[03:31] <user01> how should i decrypt it at boot?
[03:32] <user01> or best to just put on an unencrypted drive?
[03:33] <Toadisattva> I wouldn't think you'd need to encrypt a drive for a media box you aren't keeping anything particularly sensitive on it I expect?
[03:35] <user01> I guess not
[03:35] <user01> I was thinking if the drive was stolen
[03:35] <user01> and there were home family videos and stuff . . . pics
[03:36] <user01> im not planning on storing cc numbers on it or anything
[03:38] <Toadisattva> if you'll be leaving the box running probably no big deal to encrypt it or that purpose, if you'll be turning it on and off when you want to view you
[03:38] <sarnold> I think if you do a FDE install, you'll be prompted for passphrases for *all* the disks at boot, not just the boot drive
[03:38] <Toadisattva> 'll need to decrypt each time and that could get tedious
[03:39] <sarnold> how often do you boot? I reboot my laptop every few months when there's a kernel update that looks important
[03:41] <Toadisattva> on the pc I use on my tv I only turn it on when I want to watch something
[03:41] <Toadisattva> so I wouldn't want to encrypt it
[03:42] <sarnold> yeah that'd be frustrating
[03:42] <sarnold> that's why I haven't watched columbo in a year -- turning on my ps3 is a PITA but the chromecast is always on..
[03:43] <Toadisattva> pressing the playstation button is too much work :P
[03:44] <sarnold> exactly
[03:44] <sarnold> and then you've got to wait like a minute
[03:44] <Toadisattva> ah yeah that bootup time
[03:44] <Toadisattva> I forget how bad life was before ssd's
[03:44] <Toadisattva> lol
[03:44] <sarnold> *nod*
[03:45] <sarnold> even ssds feel slow now..
[03:45] <Toadisattva> they could cut that 3 second boot down to like 300 ms
[06:25] <pavlushka> my 20.04 localegen is set for only 2 locals but the system update is generating every english locals available, why? is it a bug?
[06:26] <SomethingGeneric> pavlushka, check what's in /etc/locale.gen ?
[06:27] <pavlushka> SomethingGeneric: https://termbin.com/u87m
[06:28] <SomethingGeneric> pavlushka, that's odd. I don't know of other files that denote which locales to create, sorry. :(
[06:32] <pavlushka> and the update looks like this https://pasteboard.co/JR0XGtF.png
[06:54] <john_rambo> Hi, I am using LibreOffice under Ubuntu 20.04 .... The spell check is not working ... For testing pupose when I deliberately type a wrong spelling no red line appears under the wrong word ...How do I enable spell check ...I only use the Writer
[07:59] <OnkelBlade> Hi folks. Are you aware of a widget or something visual which alarms when RAM is running out?
[08:01] <va7lnx> OnkelBlade: I don't know about alarm. but I keep a widget in my taskbar that shows the RAM and swap utilization
[08:02] <OnkelBlade> va7lnx: what is it name? that would wokr for me as well
[08:02] <va7lnx> what desktop are you running?
[08:02] <OnkelBlade> va7lnx: kde :)
[08:03] <va7lnx> hrm. not sure what it is called on KDE, but if you right click on the taskbar you should be able to add a widget.
[08:03] <va7lnx> sorry, not taskbar, but panel
[08:04] <va7lnx> look for something like "load monitor"
[08:04] <va7lnx> oh. it's midnight
[08:04] <va7lnx> gotta go to bed.
[08:04] <OnkelBlade> va7lnx: sleep well! thanks, searching.
[08:05] <ducasse> OnkelBlade: if you try #kubuntu you'll probably get exact instructions on how to add one
[08:06] <OnkelBlade> Yeah found one already. Heh, it doesn't have alarming capabilities
[08:06] <OnkelBlade> but that's better than nothing
[08:07] <OnkelBlade> I'm disabling swap... I'm tired of getting my laptop lagging
[08:07] <ducasse> i don't think any of them will alarm you
[08:07] <OnkelBlade> yeah, that's strage. Like everybody is happy with handwritten scripts
[08:08] <ducasse> you could set up a timer or something to send a notification when usage reaches a certain level, of course
[08:08] <OnkelBlade> sure I can
[08:08] <OnkelBlade> I even know what message I would put there
[08:09] <OnkelBlade> Like: hey, close your chrome!
[08:11] <ducasse> just let the script close chrome for you ;)
[09:15] <arseru> Lately I'm finding my ubuntu 20.04.2 LTS on a lenovo laptop running slow after X startup and it's like the performance has been degraded... is anyone in the same situation? Any tips about what can I do?
[09:16] <summonner> why do you think it's slow arseru
[09:16] <bart-> hi guys how can i deactivate that the mouse coursur is going to be left arrow when i go with it to mmy menu bar
[09:17] <arseru> summonner: e.g. to start firefox, I have to wait 1-2minutes after login to my user to be able to use anything
[09:17] <bart-> i dont found  the setting
[09:17] <bart-> i have gnome tweaks  activated
[09:17] <bart-> arseru: get 20.10 is faster
[09:20] <summonner> arseru, have you installed ubuntu-restricted-extras? have you checked your governer?  is it set to performance?
[09:24] <arseru> summonner: why do I need that pkg? governor is on powersave setting, I'll switch it to performance, thanks!
[09:24] <arseru> summonner: what does the setting performance do? unleash the real cpu powa?
[09:25] <summonner> arseru, yeah by default lots of machines are set to "balanced" by default and not screaming powa pow pow boom these days
[09:25] <arseru> summonner: the only drawback is more battery consumption, right?
[09:26] <summonner> arseru, can your laptop run without the battery in it?
[09:26] <arseru> because just switching that has reduced the load from 2.8 to 1.7, awesome
[09:26] <arseru> summonner: no
[09:26] <arseru> summonner: why do you ask?
[09:26] <summonner> arseru, ah, well, then your balanced default is there for a reason, so you won't be screaming at the manufacturers in a year due to a 50% battery capacity
[09:27] <summonner> the heat of performance will degrade the battery. keeping the laptop constantly connected will degrade the battery.
[09:27] <arseru> summonner: shit, then I should switch back? it's like when I got the laptop, everything was fine, now I'm finding performance issues everyday
[09:27] <arseru> summonner: then I'll just connect the battery when it's running low, and solved, right?
[09:28] <summonner> what model is it?
[09:28] <arseru> summonner: lenovo thinkpad L13
[09:28] <arseru> i7 10th gen
[09:29] <arseru> and it's choking with a google meet w/ 10 people and firefox with 10 tabs
[09:30] <summonner> arseru, well, the good thing is your battery is easy to replace in a year or so, so don't freak out like a Mac user would, theirs is usually soldered to the board (idiots
[09:30] <arseru> summonner: it's a laptop from work, so I'm not worried about having to pay anything :P
[09:31] <summonner> I would suggest. Getting a way to keep all the CPUs active, but in a balanced mode, so the frequency idles down, but then kicks back up when demand requires it. let me quickly check for a suitable configuration
[09:31] <summonner> oh if it's a work one, keep it at NUCLEAR then
[09:31] <summonner> they would want you to finish your work faster anyway
[09:31]  * summonner grins
[09:32] <arseru> hahahaha true
[09:32] <arseru> cpu freqs are at min 400MHz and max 4900MHz, which are the min/max possible values anyway
[09:33] <arseru> I've installed cpupower-gui to switch the governor setting
[09:33] <summonner> yeah I'd leave it on performance. your IT guys will be happy in a year to replace the battery anyway, they're probably sick and bored with "my mouse doesn't work!" and replacing the battery is a meaty thing to do
[09:34] <summonner> bart, your mouse cursor. it changes?
[09:38] <arseru> summonner: thanks for the help :)
[09:39] <summonner> yw
[09:41] <ksynwa> Hello. I have Ubuntu 20.04 GNOME but started using i3. Everything is cool but the font rendering is pretty bad compared to GNOME. It's a bit jaggy so maybe the text isn't hinted or antialiased.
[09:41] <summonner> ksynwa, sorry, what's i3?
[09:41] <ksynwa> summonner: It's window manager. Called i3wm.
[09:41] <arseru> https://i3wm.org/
[09:41] <ksynwa> So far I have tried:
[09:42] <ksynwa> 1) Symlinking settings to /etc/fonts/conf.d
[09:42] <ksynwa> 2) Creating an .Xresources file
[09:42] <ksynwa> Anything else I can try?
[09:42] <summonner> ah. chances are you'd have better support on their channel (if they have one) or forum. this channel is more to do with the default ubuntu. lubuntu and xubuntu have their own channels for instance
[09:43] <arseru> ksynwa: try on #i3
[09:43] <summonner> unless someone here knows it well... stick around and see
[09:43] <ksynwa> Nice. No worries. Thanks for letting me know.
[09:46] <ksynwa> Ok looks like the problem was that I was loading .Xresources after starting X. I put the loading in .profile now and it works.
[09:46] <arseru> cool :D
[09:49] <summonner> ksynwa, how did you determine that  that was the cause?
[09:51] <ksynwa> summonner: There's really only two things on X that could cause that. fontconfig settings were correctly in place so I just played around with Xresources instead.
[09:52]  * summonner nods
[09:52] <ksynwa> I initially put xrdb -load in my i3 config because I got confused. Because swaywm suggests you do it in the config. But for any X based window manager you ususally put in the .xinitrc.
[09:53] <ksynwa> I don't know if .xinitrc works with GDM so I just put in the profile.
[09:57] <arseru> ksynwa: I'd recommend you check https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/I3 for more info on configs and more
[10:00] <ksynwa> BTW have y'all been able to install wine-32bit on a 64bit system without any problems?
[10:05] <tosaraja> What do I need to change in the way I try to install Ubuntu 20.04.2 server in a virtual machine? I've tried changing the SCSI controller and i've tried partitioning with and without LVM, different sizes and layouts. Every time it seems to crash on this subiquity thing
[10:05] <tosaraja> and da internet is full of different reports of people having problems with it
[10:09] <maximb> hi, I've changed my system timezone and now 'date' is correctly shows my time. however the time in /var/log/auth is still incorrect, even for new entries. how can I fix it?
[10:11] <lenarhoyt> Hi. What is wrong with this desktop file? I've validated the syntax, installed it with sudo dektop-file-install, sudo update-desktop-database, Alt+F2 r, reboot. It is still not showing up in the unity launcher. Latest LTS
[10:11] <lenarhoyt> https://pastebin.com/raw/ekwJH9bQ
[10:12] <lenarhoyt> Oh! The SVG file is missing!!
[10:15] <lenarhoyt> No it does exist!
[10:15] <lupulo> maximb, with python you could use pandas and timedelta, according to your time variation. perhaps journalctl has somethig about that
[10:20] <summonner> lenarhoyt, what does your validator say?
[10:21] <lenarhoyt> summonner: literally nothing
[10:23] <summonner> the only other thing I can think then is skim over the standard? https://specifications.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/desktop-entry-spec-1.1.html
[10:27] <summonner> lenarhoyt, maybe remove the " " from exec and only around the %F?
[10:32] <maximb> lupulo well, I want something more permanent. that new msgs will be with the correct time
[10:33] <summonner> maximb, is  timedatectl   correct?
[10:33] <maximb> yep
[10:34] <summonner> and you've done the   sudo dpkg-reconfigure --frontend noninteractive tzdata   to set it into the system?
[10:36] <summonner> you should see the last message in /var/log/syslog similar to TODAY H:M:S machine_name systemd[1]: Started Time & Date Service.
[10:40] <lenarhoyt> summonner: what kind of messages should I be looking for. i could not find anything related to the desktop files in question
[10:41] <maximb> just needed to reboot my system
[10:41] <maximb> like it's windows
[10:41] <maximb> lol
[10:45] <summonner> lenarhoyt, did u fix the desktop exec cmd?
[10:46] <summonner> Exec=/home/me/.local/bin/winapps word "%F"
[11:13] <arseru> summonner: remember what we talked before about everything in my lenovo thinkpad going slower in ubuntu 20.04.2 LTS? Now I've plugged the battery at 25%, and it's still not showing as "Charging" after 4min
[11:13] <arseru> it's weird
[11:14] <EriC^^> arseru: you could try "upower --monitor-detail" in a terminal and plugging it into charge and see what it says
[11:16] <summonner> arseru, the lenovo might have some stuff on the chips that are wanting to drain it to 20% or 10% before recharging it. there's a lot of that going on these days
[11:18] <lotuspsychje> lenovo's also benefit firmware/bios updates in all cases
[11:18] <jeremy31> arseru: Every once in a while I have to power off my Lenovo and remove the battery and unplug, put it back together before it will charge
[11:18] <arseru> EriC^^: thanks for the command, it correctly detects when it's plugged/unplugged, but the icon on the top-right bar does not update status: https://imgur.com/coEjODv
[11:18] <arseru> summonner: but that wasn't happening when I first got it one year ago
[11:19] <arseru> jeremy31: why's that?
[11:19] <jeremy31> arseru: I don't know as it has only happened about 3 times in the 7 years I have had it
[11:21] <summonner> that would be due to an incorrect update into the stats on the board
[11:21] <arseru> jeremy31: but I mean, are you doing this due to the same problem I have?
[11:21] <jeremy31> arseru: I think mine at times refuses to charge at all
[11:22] <arseru> lol weird
[11:27] <lenarhoyt> summonner: the other files of this kind did not have quotes (i added them lates). seems to make no difference
[11:36] <decoy__> i have come to bless you
[11:38] <lotuspsychje> !yay | decoy__
[11:39]  * decoy__ hugs lotuspsychje 
[11:39] <decoy__> :D
[11:39] <decoy__> i had problems with my ubuntu but i forgot all about them guess itll come back in a bit when i fiddle with it again
[11:50] <summonner> lenarhoyt, do the specifications mention that you can do the quotes and the %F variable?
[12:02] <MonoL> Good day fellow Ubuntu users.
[12:02] <gordonjcp> anyone got a recommendation for an audio player in Ubuntu?
[12:02] <gordonjcp> it's crazy that there's no way to just play some audio files
[12:02] <decoy> when i click an mp3 it launches vlc here
[12:03] <lotuspsychje> !discuss | gordonjcp
[12:03] <gordonjcp> lotuspsychje: not sure how this isn't a support question tbh
[12:04] <lotuspsychje> we divide ubuntu support with discussions/software reccomends/other topics
[12:05] <gordonjcp> lotuspsychje: okay
[12:05] <gordonjcp> ubuntu doesn't appear to have a working audio player, how can I fix this?
[12:06] <Maik> ubuntu has Rhythmbox and it works
[12:10] <Maik> gordonjcp: which version of Ubuntu do you use? And VLC isn't installed by default on Ubuntu so it's something you have done.
[12:10] <user01> i like audacious for its small interface
[12:11] <Maik> that's not what it's about user01, he complains Ubuntu has no working audio player which doens't add up imho
[12:12] <user01> maybe he needs some codec
[12:13] <user01> id start first trying to figure out what audio file he's trying to play
[12:13] <Maik> and as lotuspsychje said software recommendations belong in discuss
[12:14] <user01> what is discuss?
[12:14] <Maik> user01: read again.... he tries to open a MP3 which seems to open VLC. VLC doesn't come by default on Ubuntu
[12:14] <Maik> !discuss | user01
[12:14] <Maik> there ya go
[12:14] <Maik> again
[12:15] <user01> sounds like a ubuntu configuration problem to me
[12:15] <Maik> as long gordonjcp refuses to answer the other questions we are not able to help him further
[12:15] <user01> mime types
[12:15] <user01> his ubuntu configuration
[12:16] <Maik> as i said, he doesn't answer the other questions asked so we can't help him solve it. Now it's only guessing for which we don't have the time.
[12:39] <pankaj347> Hi,
[12:39] <pankaj347> i am trying to install  linux-headers using $sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) but i am getting following error
[12:39] <pankaj347> Reading package lists... Done
[12:39] <pankaj347> Building dependency tree
[12:39] <pankaj347> Reading state information... Done
[12:39] <pankaj347> E: Unable to locate package linux-headers-5.5.0
[12:40] <lotuspsychje> pankaj347: wich ubuntu release and kernel are you currently on?
[12:41] <pankaj347> Linux pankaj 5.5.0 #1 SMP Tue Nov 3 13:37:50 IST 2020 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[12:41] <TheBigK02> that doesnt sound like a ubuntu kernel...
[12:41] <pankaj347> This is mainline kernel running on Ubuntu
[12:43] <lotuspsychje> pankaj347: whats the reason you want to move to mainline 5.5?
[12:45] <pankaj347> due to some driver portability
[12:46] <TheBigK02> is ur driver no module?
[12:47] <TheBigK02> usually u compile the driver with the ubuntu kernel... atleast i would do it that way
[12:47] <TheBigK02> did that make problems?
[12:50] <oerheks> 20.04 + HWE gives 5.8
[12:51] <oerheks> so, drop the mainline, and do the HWE kernel
[12:51] <oerheks> !hwe
[13:15] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[13:16] <ducasse> -
[13:18] <vimart> Hi BluesKaj
[13:18] <BluesKaj> hi vimart
[13:34] <Zenn> quick question
[13:34] <Zenn> how come this bug was never fixed since years
[13:34] <Zenn> https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/-/issues/312
[13:35] <Zenn> it has caught my eye cause I have this issue and had to use a workaround
[13:40] <oerheks> never experienced that 'bug'
[13:41] <Zenn> well are you using shift?
[13:41] <lenarhoyt> summonner: some of them hat "%F" orther just %F, none worked.
[13:41] <Zenn> for your caps lock issue?
[13:42] <Zenn> it is a very well known issue
[13:42] <Zenn> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Xorg/Keyboard_configuration#Switching_state_immediately_when_Caps_Lock_is_pressed
[13:42] <oerheks> no, caps lock. locking or unlocking no issue with capital/lower case letters here, maybe an arch issue only?
[13:43] <Zenn> there is a delay
[13:43] <Zenn> not it happens with xorg
[13:44] <Zenn> I used that work around and it works
[13:44] <oerheks> File a bugreport? unless, you seem to be on archlinux..
[13:46] <Veidit> Good afternoon
[13:46] <Zenn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eqRbhttGwQ
[13:46] <Zenn> I'm on Linuxmint
[13:46] <Zenn> there is a bug report for it, no one fixed it
[13:50] <oerheks> 'there is a bugreport".. add yourself to it?
[13:50] <oerheks> and linux mint, it is not ubuntu.
[13:51] <oerheks> again; i find no delay at all
[14:17] <roniez> How can i kill/remove a workspace i dont want anymore?
[14:19] <decoy> interesting i havent even started to mess with workplaces
[14:21] <roniez> i come from macOS and i use a lot of workspaces because i tend to fullscreen some apps
[14:22] <roniez> but i am ok with having just 4 steady ones and others dynamic that i can remove when i dont need them anymore
[14:22] <roniez> but the workspaces even stays after reboot
[14:22] <roniez> even the ones i opened as extras
[14:24] <decoy> i rememebr when i had 3rd party soft to run multiple desktops in win
[14:25] <roniez> i even used virtual desktop in windows quite alot and there i could remove unwanted workspaces as well
[14:25] <decoy> i am extremely new to linux/ubuntu
[14:26] <decoy> but when i enter "worksp... into the field thing where all the stuffs is .. it shows me 3 options. one of them being Workspaces
[14:26] <roniez> i solved my own issue with gnome-tweaks
[14:26] <roniez> :D
[14:26] <decoy> i can add and suubstract the number of workspaces there :P hmhmh
[14:28] <leftyfb> roniez: try gnome tweak
[14:28] <leftyfb> oh, sorry, you got it
[14:28] <roniez> leftyfb yea i fixed it there i had enabled dynamic workspaces for some reason
[14:28] <roniez> i switched it back to dynamic now and it works better
[14:29] <roniez> that + the extension full screen on new workspace is perfekt for me. :)
[14:42] <gordonjcp> Maik: standard 20.04, and I don't have VLC installed and indeed wouldn't touch VLC with someone else's stolen ten foot dirty stick
[14:52] <leftyfb> !ot | gordonjcp
[14:59] <MacroMan> Contrary to the manual for sudo, -S and -n seem to be incompatible
[14:59] <MacroMan> `printf "test\n" | sudo -Skvn` -> `sudo: a password is required`
[15:00] <MacroMan> Without the -n it works, but not if the password is wrong. It prompts which I don't want
[15:01] <MacroMan> How can I pipe in the password and avoid a prompt if the password is wrong?
[15:01] <leftyfb> MacroMan: you should use expect or maybe a sudoers entry
[15:02] <MacroMan> No good for me. This is being run over SSH
[15:02] <MacroMan> Has to be a one-;iner
[15:02] <leftyfb> MacroMan: which both of those solutions works fine for
[15:02] <MacroMan> Nope, `printf "test\n" | sudo -Skv` hangs if the password is wrong
[15:03] <MacroMan> I should say SSH from PHP, not a terminal
[15:04] <MacroMan> So for some reason -n stops sudo reading from stdin
[15:04] <MacroMan> The man page shows they should work together: `sudo -v [-ABknS]`
[15:11] <gordonjcp> leftyfb: thanks, it's a reference to an earlier support questoin
[15:11] <gordonjcp> *question
[15:11] <gordonjcp> leftyfb: I'm guessing #ubuntu-offtopic is where to ask for support now then?
[15:19] <Maik> gordonjcp: as i said Ubuntu ships Rhythmbox by default and it works
[15:20] <Maik> do you have ubuntu-restriced-extras installed to complete multi media support? It pulls in a lot of codecs.
[15:22] <gordonjcp> Maik: for certain values of "works"
[15:22] <gordonjcp> Maik: there doesn't appear to be any way to get music into it
[15:27] <Maik> gordonjcp: rightclick on the mp3 and select open with other application then select rhythmbox. It should work and play the audio file
[15:29] <Maik> gordonjcp: where is the file located, in the Music folder? If not copy it there and fire up Rhythmbox and see if it loads the file
[15:30] <gordonjcp> Maik: no., it's not in Music, I don't want it to be
[15:30] <Maik> then select the folder in rhythmbox where the file is
[15:31] <Maik> not too difficult imo
[15:31] <gordonjcp> Maik: if I do, then it wants to stick in in a "library", which I also don't want
[15:31] <gordonjcp> once it's in Rhythmbox's library, it's impossible to get things to play properly
[15:31] <Maik> elaborate
[15:32] <gordonjcp> well, if I have a directory containing a set of .ogg files that are an encoded album, it won't play them in sequence
[15:32] <Maik> then try audacious
[15:33] <gordonjcp> again, audacious has this stupid "Library" thing
[15:33] <Maik> then it's your problem, can't help any further
[15:33] <gordonjcp> the media player should not attempt to "manage" the media at all, it should just play it
[15:34] <Maik> when i select a file to play it plays, period
[15:34] <ducasse> gordonjcp: try gmusicbrowser, iirc it doesn't need to add to a library
[15:35] <Maik> every music player has a library afaik
[16:11] <thatpythonboy> can google authenticator accept my token secret on ubuntu without mobile/phonenumber
[16:12] <thatpythonboy>  sudo apt install libpam-google-authenticator; authenticator --help
[16:12] <JonyPooh> Hi, I'm running Ubuntu Studio 20.10 and using the KDE 5 Plasma desktop that it comes with. In Notifications; Application Settings, configure events, there is an option for Speech, but I can't seem to get it to work. Does anyone know anything about speech in Ubunutu Studio 20.10 / KDE 5 Plasma?
[16:13] <JonyPooh> So far google has been a dead end.
[16:28] <revmacian> JonyPooh: I'm on Kubuntu 20.04 and I'll try to help if you can tell me where that notification settin gis
[16:28] <revmacian> System settings > Notifications ?
[16:28] <leonardus> Is there any way to remove a package without running its uninstall routine?
[16:29] <leonardus> As in, remove the package from the package manager but keep the software
[16:30] <revmacian> leonardus: I don't believe so, the packagese are taken from the repos. You may want to pin the package so it isn't upgraded. Is that what you had in mind?
[16:30] <leonardus> It's not something I actually wanted to do I was just curious.
[16:31] <revmacian> leonardus: the package list comes from what's on the server, you can't really change that. But you can "pin" a package locally
[16:33] <JonyPooh> revmacian, its the Notifications System Settings Module, then at the bottom Applications: [Configure]. Then you can click an application and there is a Configure Events button. At the bottom of that window are the built in Speech option for the notification
[16:33] <JonyPooh> revmacian, I'm trying to configure the General Notification for KDE Connect
[16:34] <JonyPooh> but i don't think it matters what app for testing, they should all have same notification options
[16:35] <revmacian> JonyPooh: Ok, I've got "Configure Notifications", Choosing "Battery low". What do you need me to check?
[16:37] <revmacian> JonyPooh: You should be able to check the "Speech" checkbox and then go from there
[16:39] <JonyPooh> revmacian, i havnt been able to get it to say anything tho
[16:39] <revmacian> JonyPooh: I've set a speech notification for Konversation to "Speak event message" and it just spoke the text you just posted here
[16:40] <revmacian> JonyPooh: So, yes, it works. You just need to play with it a bit
[16:40] <JonyPooh> revmacian, interesting
[16:40] <revmacian> Nice feature, that, I never knew we could do that
[16:40] <revmacian> JonyPooh: But, I'm on Kubuntu 20.04, not Ubuntu Studio
[16:42] <revmacian> JonyPooh: Try one of the options other than custom text, that may be a bug
[16:50] <JonyPooh> im going to switch to Konversation and test
[16:51] <revmacian> JonyPooh: When you have a speech notification set up in konversation, I'll highlight you and test
[16:59] <JonyPooh> revmacian: I setup a speech notification for highlights
[16:59] <revmacian> JonyPooh: And how is this working now?
[17:00] <revmacian> JonyPooh: Probably need Konversation to not be the top window - open another app and have it focused instead
[17:00] <JonyPooh> ohhh, ok, try now
[17:00] <revmacian> I mean, why would you need a notification if you're staring at the app itself?
[17:00] <revmacian> JonyPooh: Is it working?
[17:01] <JonyPooh> yes it, that freaked me out
[17:01] <JonyPooh> i was not expecting it to work some reason
[17:02] <revmacian> Yeah, it's a very nice feature, I didn't know we could do it. I'll have to set up some other apps. Thanks.. I woudln't have known that if you hadn't posted your question
[17:02] <revmacian> So.. we helped each other. I love it when that happens!
[17:03] <JonyPooh> So, I wonder if that's using speechdispatcher to do the speech. cause this particular voice is horible and I want to change it :-)
[17:04] <revmacian> yeah, I'd ike to change mine too. If you find out how please tell me
[17:06] <de-facto> what is a speech notification for IRC?
[17:07] <de-facto> test to speech on highlight?
[17:07] <de-facto> *text
[17:08] <revmacian> de-facto: yes: System settings > Notifications > Applications (Configure button)
[17:08] <JonyPooh> I had it set to every channel message too. Had to turn that off
[17:08] <revmacian> JonyPooh: Oh, that would be quite annoying
[17:09] <revmacian> JonyPooh: I don't see anywhere in system settings to change the voice (i.e. from male to female)
[17:12] <JonyPooh> revmacian: i think its speech dispatcher, on ubuntu-studio i had to install speech-dispatcher and spd-conf (part of python3-something package) to configure speech dispatcher
[17:13] <JonyPooh> Im also running Ubuntu Studio 20.10
[17:14] <JonyPooh> im going to change the pitch or something and test a hightlight again
[17:14] <revmacian> JonyPooh: Ah, I do see a bunch of speech-dispatcher packages in my package manager. I probably need to play with it and figure it out
[17:14] <JonyPooh> revmacian: you had speech-dispatcher already installed tho, right?
[17:15] <revmacian> JonyPooh: No, but I'm thinking about installing it and trying to change the voice
[17:15] <JonyPooh> wait, if its working before installing that, I wonder if i didnt need to install that to get it to talk
[17:16] <revmacian> oh, you don't need that to get it to talk, I don't have that package (it's not pre-installed on Kubuntu) and mine talks now. I just want to change the voice
[17:16] <JonyPooh> the notification voice is for sure the same voice that i hear when I use spd-say from the command line
[17:17] <revmacian> JonyPooh: May I PM you?
[17:17] <JonyPooh> revmacian: for sure, thanks
[17:28] <JonyPooh> revmacian: can you hightlight me again to test if changing dispatcher effects kde notifications?
[17:29] <revmacian> JonyPooh: Why sure I can. Did you remember to focus a different app?
[17:29] <JonyPooh> revmacian: i did change focus, got nothing that time
[17:30] <revmacian> JonyPooh: I don't like that voice, so I just changed mine from speech to "play a sound".. it works just as well here
[17:33] <jpmh> I wnat to be able to detect which tty I am connected through, how do I do that simply?
[17:34] <rory> "tty" command?
[17:35] <rory>        tty - print the file name of the terminal connected to standard input
[17:35] <revmacian> yep, that works
[17:35] <Jony-Pooh> JonyPooh, heres another way I can test
[17:35] <revmacian> Well, that's two things I've learned today
[17:36] <revmacian> Jony-Pooh: type this and test in a PM if the channel gets busy:  /query JonyPooh
[17:38] <Jony-Pooh> now im not getting any notifications spoken to me, i used to spd-conf to change speechdispatcher settings and changed the speed to 50 just to see if it made any diffrence in here
[17:39] <jpmh> rory: ty - that was what I needed - my reply was sow since you did not include my id in the message I did not get alerted
[17:39] <rory> you're right, sorry
[17:42] <Jony-Pooh> Now I see why im not hearing anything, im not getting any notifications for konversastion at all now
[17:43] <jpmh> rory: that was NOT mean as a criticism - just an explanation as to why I was slow
[17:43] <jpmh> anyway TY
[17:45] <Jony-Pooh> revmacian, I think speechdispatcher something diffrent, I think we're using qtspeech5 maybe
[17:45] <revmacian> Jony-Pooh: No idea, I've never messed with sound much in linux
[17:46] <Jony-Pooh> revmacian, do apt search qtspeech5
[17:46] <Jony-Pooh> revmacian, i bet you have some of that installed
[17:46] <revmacian> Jony-Pooh: Also, the "play a sound" notifictions are working even when I have Konversation focused
[17:47] <revmacian> Jony-Pooh: Yep, got qtspeech5-flite is pre-installed in kubuntu
[17:48] <akik> i found a problem with the nvidia package installer. it doesn't check whether the system has the kernel headers package installed
[17:48] <revmacian> Jony-Pooh: I didn't change much except to install kdenlive for work
[17:48] <akik> should i report this somewhere?
[17:48] <Jony-Pooh> revmacian, i think qtspeech5-speechd-plugin is plugin for speech-dispatcher
[17:49] <revmacian> Jony-Pooh: That is: QtSpeech provides support for text-to-speech and speech recognition in Qt applications. This package contains the plugin for speechd speech synthesis engine.
[17:50] <revmacian> Jony-Pooh: apt show qtspeech5-speechd-plugin
[17:50] <Jony-Pooh> revmacian, and speechd (speech-dispatcher) has plugins for all the other speech synthesis engines and voices
[17:52] <revmacian> Jony-Pooh: Yep, it brings in libspeechd2 - which is speech dispatcher
[17:52] <revmacian> So, yep, they're connected
[17:52] <Jony-Pooh> revmacian, there you go, you can have a girl now
[17:52] <revmacian> hahaha, thank you!
[17:52] <revmacian> Finally, I can have a girlfriend!
[17:53] <Jony-Pooh> revmacian, well, once we figure out how to configure qtspeech5, sorry, female computer voice I should have said :-)
[17:53] <revmacian> Hey, don't rain on my parade! :P
[18:00] <revmacian> Gotta go, back later
[18:00] <revmacian> Jony-Pooh: Thanks for everything! You're awesome!
[18:09] <Sven_vB> hi! In Ubuntu bionic there's a nice modular pluggable approach to shell profile configuration, /etc/profile.d/. I'd like to set up something similar for bashrc, like /etc/bash.bashrc.d/. Do I have to invent that wheel, or do we have something like that already?
[18:25] <JonyPooh> I had my sound muted,  no wonder no notifications
[18:26] <leftyfb> Sven_vB: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/PYw7NyMMkd/
[18:26] <repulse> hey, what does it mean when I get the following error: GLib-GIO-CRITICAL **: 19:14:01.742: g_dbus_connection_call_internal: assertion 'G_IS_DBUS_CONNECTION (connection)' failed
[18:27] <JonyPooh> repulse: sounds like connection to dbus failed, is dbus running?
[18:27] <Sven_vB> leftyfb, thanks! so I guess we don't have something better yet.
[18:28] <leftyfb> Sven_vB: stick that in ~/.bashrc
[18:28] <Sven_vB> or rather, more standardized
[18:28] <repulse> it should be running
[18:28] <leftyfb> Sven_vB: not that I know of
[18:32] <Sven_vB> can't be helped then. thanks anyway!
[19:34] <JonyPooh> Does anyone know how to drag Plasma widgets without having to right click and click customize layout?
[19:34] <Maik> JonyPooh: please do not crosspost
[19:35] <Maik> asking in one channel is enough
[19:36] <JonyPooh> Maik: ok, thanks for letting me know
[19:48] <Chakravanti> Why does ubuntu remove gmake?  I have to install it manually from gnu.org.  I can't wait to get the $#@& off ubuntu for this straight the (*&$( up dis on Richard Stallman.
[19:49] <oerheks> Chakravanti, thanks for the rant, but it is not welcome here.
[19:49] <Chakravanti> nothing but absolute disrespect for the only respectable software maker.  hell even linus was just a recruit, and not the real (*&#ing thing
[19:49] <oerheks> please keep this channel free for a support issue, thanks.
[19:49] <Chakravanti> yeah? (*&$) the #@*$ off
[19:49] <Chakravanti> i am tryignto get support usaeless
[19:52] <Maik> Chakravanti: keep the irc guidelines in mind please or at least read them and behave
[19:52] <Chakravanti> i do behave.  I the dis on Richard stallman by ubuntun is offensive
[19:52] <Maik> !discuss | Chakravanti
 Why does ubuntu remove gmake?  I have to install it manually from gnu.org.
[19:53] <Chakravanti> idiot
[19:53] <Chakravanti> yeah fuck off useless crowd of loser
[19:53] <Maik> bye bye
[19:54] <oerheks> 'gmake' refers specifically to GNU make.
[19:55] <oerheks> then you hit them with !build, Maik ;-)
[20:30] <puff> Good afternoon.  Trying to figure out how to find more info on this error popup:  https://bpa.st/WFRA
[21:53] <puzzle_555> hi
[21:54] <ptah> hi
[22:10] <elias_a> Which is the last version of Ubuntu that still has a working firewire implementation?
[22:10] <elias_a> I am in a desperate need of rescuing a set of HDV tapes.
[22:12] <Ben64> pretty sure firewire still works
[22:12] <elias_a> No it does not.
[22:12] <Ben64> yes it does, just tested it
[22:14] <elias_a> How did you test it?
[22:16] <oerheks> 18.04 should give support? i know ubuntustudio dropped firewire support with 20.04
[22:17] <elias_a> oerheks: TY. I'll try that.
[22:17] <oerheks> lsmod | grep firewire
[22:17] <oerheks> firewire_ohci and firewire_core should pop up
[22:18] <Ben64> looks like the ubuntu studio thing is about firewire sound cards
[22:18] <Ben64> not firewire in general
[22:19] <oerheks> that maybe right?
[22:19] <elias_a> Well - anything that works with dvgrab is good enought for me.
[22:20] <oerheks> dvgrab comes in mind, yes
[22:20] <elias_a> 20.04 is not initalizing a firewire card properly.
[22:24] <elias_a> When I switch on the DV camera, device fw0 is rediscovered over and over again.
[22:25] <elias_a> firewire_core 0000:06:00.0: rediscovered device fw0
[22:25] <elias_a> I believe this is something that has to do with kernel support. What do you think?
[22:28] <gordonjcp> elias_a: aha
[22:28] <gordonjcp> elias_a: I am using firewire on Ubuntu 20.04
[22:29] <gordonjcp> elias_a: what kind of card, what kind of camera?
[22:30] <gordonjcp> elias_a: and how sure are you that your cable is good?
[22:32] <elias_a>  gordonjcp: I am quite sure the cable is OK.
[22:32] <gordonjcp> elias_a: so was I...
[22:32] <gordonjcp> elias_a: led me a dance for about two days, that cable did
[22:32] <elias_a> 07:00.0 FireWire (IEEE 1394): Texas Instruments XIO2200A IEEE-1394a-2000 Controller (PHY/Link) (rev 01)
[22:34] <gordonjcp> elias_a: that's described as well-supported at least by the audio folks
[22:34] <elias_a> Camera is Canon HV-30.
[22:34] <gordonjcp> okay
[22:34] <gordonjcp> elias_a: I can tell you for certain that VIA VT6306 works
[22:35] <gordonjcp> elias_a: although, with Sony HVR-A1E
[22:35] <elias_a> gordonjcp: I believe this has to do with the camera too.
[22:35] <gordonjcp> elias_a: possibly
[22:36] <gordonjcp> elias_a: I suspect you are not in Scotland, if you were in (or sufficiently near) Glasgow I'd say drag it round :-)
[22:37] <elias_a> gordonjcp: I'm on another island. :P
[22:39] <gordonjcp> elias_a: https://minecraft.gjcp.net/cameradmesg.txt
[22:39] <elias_a> gordonjcp: I think I'll just install an ancient version of Ubuntu Studio and try that.
[22:39] <gordonjcp> elias_a: ^ that's what I see
[22:39] <gordonjcp> elias_a: age shouldn't make a difference, I'm running 20.04
[22:40] <gordonjcp> elias_a: capturing with dvgrab, recoding with deinterlace DV-to-DV with ffmpeg or recoding HDV MPEG to ProRec or DNXHD with ffmpeg
[22:40] <gordonjcp> elias_a: weirdly Davinci Resolve's deinterlacer is a paid feature..
[22:41] <gordonjcp> elias_a: for all they cost one of the VIA cards might be an idea, and if you have another cable try it
[22:41] <elias_a> gordonjcp: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Y7vd55mXZG/
[22:41] <gordonjcp> elias_a: if you can find another HDV player give that a shot too
[22:42] <gordonjcp> elias_a: weird
[22:42] <elias_a> gordonjcp: These things are a bit rare nowadays.
[22:42] <gordonjcp> elias_a: yeah
[22:42] <gordonjcp> elias_a: we are the last two people who shoot DV I think
[22:42] <elias_a> Especially with hifi audio track.
[22:42] <gordonjcp> "oh you shoot XDCAM? Oh."
[22:44] <elias_a> The problem seems to be that Ubuntu does not accept the created device in some way...
[22:44] <gordonjcp> I shoot SD DV 4:3 on DVCAM, while I ride my fixie to the popup urban street hub food truck to sip my latte and work on my Macbook
[22:44] <gordonjcp> elias_a: have you any other DV kit?
[22:44] <gordonjcp> elias_a: I believe you can load the module with a flag to make it more verbose
[22:45] <elias_a> gordonjcp: Yes but it is not able to reproduce the audio...
[22:45] <gordonjcp> elias_a: okay, but it's detected?
[22:45] <elias_a> And to be frank I do not have a clue where it is...
[22:46] <gordonjcp> elias_a: hang on if it's playing back HDV then surely the audio must be part of the stream
[22:46] <elias_a> Never used it. Got it with a pile of other stuff. :P
[22:47] <elias_a> I'm not sure the othe cam is even HDV. Probably just DV.
[22:48] <gordonjcp> ah
[22:48] <gordonjcp> well
[22:48] <gordonjcp> I wonder, if it's not trying to be "clever"...
[22:48] <gordonjcp> wait
[22:48] <elias_a> What I've read so far hints that some cameras still work, some do not.
[22:56] <gordonjcp> elias_a: my PD150P does not play back HDV off my A1E
[22:57] <gordonjcp> elias_a: anyway come and bug me about video capture and stuff once you get it going
[22:58] <elias_a> gordonjcp: TY! Will do. :)
[22:59] <gordonjcp> elias_a: I can recommend the VIA cards, but it seems likely it's the camera
[22:59] <elias_a> gordonjcp: even it is 01:00 AM here, I'll still grab an old laptop and try an ancient version. No need to put that box online to public internet. :P
[23:00] <gordonjcp> elias_a: Amazon have a generous returns policy so you can hire a capture card :-)
[23:00] <gordonjcp> elias_a: sure, why not :-)
[23:00] <gordonjcp> 11pm here, early start for work tomorrow so I'm off, but bug me about it in #ubuntu-offtopic
[23:01] <elias_a> gordonjcp: OK. Cheers again. :P
[23:06] <pyeverything> I am not sure how I should use x11vnc server in Ubuntu server and vnc client in ubuntu local machine so that I could access the browser in the server in my local machine. Could someone either send me a guide or walk me through? here is the step I did on server x11vnc -storepasswd
[23:11] <oerheks>  pyeverything a browser like firefox on your server?
[23:25] <freckledp>  I'm having trouble with firefox 86.0 on Ubuntu 20.04 playing gifv, gifs, etc. They play fine with the same link on the same computer using chrome. I don't see any bugs on it. I've disabled all of the privacy/security settings temporarily to test it, and even used safe mode so no extensions. Anyone seen anything like this?
[23:25] <freckledp> Tried it using a firefox snap and it worked fine.
[23:29] <oerheks> apt version gives issues? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/86.0+build3-0ubuntu0.18.04.1
[23:29] <oerheks> and which snap version? https://snapcraft.io/firefox
[23:30] <freckledp> Yes, the apt version is giving me issues. I'm not sure how to check the version of a snap, but it's 86.0-3
[23:31] <freckledp> firefox 86.0-3*
[23:31] <oerheks> oke, not the beta
[23:32] <freckledp> no, nothing special. New installation of ubuntu as of yesterday morning. Patched with apt. no additional repos
[23:32] <oerheks> one can file a bugreport
[23:32] <oerheks> make an account on launchpad, and
[23:32] <oerheks> !bug
[23:32] <freckledp> I guess I will. Anyone willing to test it for me before I do?