 well, rebuilding for a library transition is usually reason enough, and the most common
 yup
 And all sorts of fun if it FTBFS against  the new  ABI
 hah yup
 As a MOTU I seem to spend much time hunting for fixed for those :/
 welcome to the Real World :)
 as a core dev i touch a bit of everything when I have to, even when I don't touch things I watch what others touch thanks to DMB XD
 though i'm waiting for Canonical Server Team to ACK the yanking of something from the NGINX source that'll make things a lot easier for the Security team xD
 ('cause freeze having the Canonical Team on my side is a good xD)
 Oh, I also look at the stuff in main often. I just have to poke some core devs I often talk to to get an action (re @teward001: as a core dev i touch a bit of everything when I have to, even when I don't touch things I watch what others touch thanks to DMB XD)
 well thankfully you have one here you can prod :)
 lubuntu or not.
 Yeah, I was just going to add that I think I can include you in the list now :) (re @teward001: well thankfully you have one here you can prod :))
 :P
 Studio bugs me a ton whenever they need new things through, MOTU or not.  Especially if it needs me to poke other things xD
 but they have a packageset and I think Erich has MOTU now so :)
 but i digress.
 *goes to make food*
 Saying that, I should probably look at working on getting core dev in the not too distant future
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 Will do - already done some tests but will run thru all the file formats as well (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <wxl> testers please check to make sure that lxqt-archiver integration is functioning properly in pcmanfm-qt and also check to ensure that lxqt-archiver is the default application opening any archive filetype)
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[01:44] <wxl> kc2bez[m]: yeah i saw that one. thinking of that report that we had where they lost natural scrolling?
[03:11] <guiverc> anyone got a preference when I setup testing.checklist for hirsute.. I didn't plan doing it before optional.testing (thursday just passed), but a month before release, six weeks?  (currently <8)
 Ready whenever.. (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <guiverc> anyone got a preference when I setup testing.checklist for hirsute.. I didn't plan doing it before optional.testing (thursday just passed), but a month before release, six weeks?  (currently <8))
[05:04] <guiverc> ack & thanks @Leokolb
[05:06] <guiverc> wxl; a new hirsute qa-test install & `dpkg -l |grep lxqt` all have 0.16.0
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[09:05] <kc2bez[m]> <wxl "kc2bez: yeah i saw that one. thi"> Yes, same here. 
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[18:26] <wxl> anyone see fritz' email about wifi? has anyone tested the new nm-tray at all?
[18:27] <wxl> i mean it shouldn't be very different
[18:27] <wxl> same upstream version
 Yes - I saw it and am lost—I test WiFi everyday - no problems that I am aware of - I am busy right now but can look into this a bit further later .. havent tested todays ISO yet .. (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <wxl> anyone see fritz' email about wifi? has anyone tested the new nm-tray at all?)
 @wxl -Updating 794 packages ?! not surprised that something might have gone wrong
[18:39] <wxl> heheheheh
[18:40] <kc2bez[m]> There is always the "right click, edit connections" option to see if they show there.
[18:40] <wxl> the fact you're testing wifi every day is pretty telling
 just booted up todays ISO and connected 2.r4 G and also tested 5Ghz no probs,,sorry am busy but would need maybe info as to what hardware he is using (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <wxl> heheheheh)
[18:41] <kc2bez[m]> He has a 2009 vintage Mac book pro
[18:41] <wxl> i'm not going to get too deep into it
[18:42] <wxl> fritz can be a bit of a support black hole
 most likely broadcom —sometimes a problem (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <kc2bez[m]> He has a 2009 vintage Mac book pro)
 I mean problem with the driver
[18:43] <kc2bez[m]> The discourse thing is weird too but that is yet another rabbit hole.
[18:44] <wxl> i have something weird with that and firefox mobile beta but it wasn't always that way so it's probably a cache/cookie/profile issue maybe that i have 3 million tabs open
 2,999,999 tabs is the limit in Firefox - at least my version (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <wxl> i have something weird with that and firefox mobile beta but it wasn't always that way so it's probably a cache/cookie/profile issue maybe that i have 3 million tabs open)
 @wxl @teward001 @kc2bez Just got bug 1917292 on todays iso efi testing!!
[19:37] <kc2bez[m]> bug 1917292
[19:37] <kc2bez[m]> uff
[19:37] <kc2bez[m]> ok
[19:38] <wxl> aww eez
[19:38] <wxl> do you think this is an infra issue again @teward001?
[19:38] <kc2bez[m]> Might need that no-change rebuild after all
[19:38] <wxl> no dan this is the grub one
 i thought that crap was fixed. RE: 1917292 (re @Leokolb: @wxl @teward001 @kc2bez Just got bug 1917292 on todays iso efi testing!!)
[19:39] <wxl> it was
[19:39] <wxl> !
 you all are imbecils
 because it's still "Invalid" and fixed
 Nice.. (re @teward001: you all are imbecils)
 are you saying it's *not*?  and if so where's the proof?
[19:39] <kc2bez[m]> oh yeah
[19:39] <kc2bez[m]> geeze
 sorry i'm grumpy, no sleep due to anxiety for getting the vaccine
 kc2bez[m]: yeah we *fixed* that.  or rather cjwatson and vorlon did
 it was a sync issue on the iso builder
 they unfubar'd it
 once we confirmed it worked I marked it as "Invalid" because it's not a Cala or any other package bug
[19:40] <kc2bez[m]> grub went through another migration
 it's an ISO Builder bug that they fixed.
[19:40] <wxl> @leokolb you at least had oen day where you weren't having that problem right?
 you got the vaccine? (re @teward001: sorry i'm grumpy, no sleep due to anxiety for getting the vaccine)
 is it broke again?
[19:40] <kc2bez[m]> might be stuck again
 first dose, in arm (re @RikMills: you got the vaccine?)
 see -offtopic
 as of about 30 minutes ago
[19:40] <wxl> we got a new grub2-signed 3 hours ago
[19:40] <wxl> so i'm thinking it may be that
 it probably is but that'll be on the next ISO spin (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <wxl> so i'm thinking it may be that)
 let's wait 24h before we reopen an old bug
 congrats (re @teward001: first dose, in arm)
[19:41] <wxl> or i could just rebuild the iso
 wxl: i mean you could
 or wait for autobuild :P
 i don't know the update schedule on the iso builders sync though wxl
 hence why i said wait 24
 Thats right (maybe 2?) we did many tests yesterday (also the partitioning etc) at least 15 with no errors (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <wxl> @leokolb you at least had oen day where you weren't having that problem right?)
[19:42] <wxl> we should have just got our new iso
[19:43] <wxl> um
[19:43] <wxl> wth is the time zone on the time stamps on cdimage. i'd think utc but isn't 17:51 on the 5th in the future?
 today's the fifth ya numpty
 it's UTC
[19:43] <wxl> yes
[19:43] <kc2bez[m]> No that was a couple of hours ago
[19:44] <wxl> i thought it's 7:42
 17:51 UTC = 12:51 GMT-5 that was a few hours ago
 it it 19:44 here
[19:44] <wxl> oh gosh darn it
 wxl: 17 - 12 is 5
 your math sucks
 That is the ISO I tested
[19:44] <kc2bez[m]> `date -u`
[19:44] <wxl> i did date -u but it gave me 12 hour time yuck
[19:44] <wxl> got to fix that alias
 heheh.  do you need a hug wxl?  :P
 20:45 (re @RikMills: it is 19:44 here)
 UTC and GNT are the same time (my time zone)
 14:45 here :)
 GMT
[19:46] <wxl> there that's better
[19:46] <wxl> date -uR
 Well, I am in the UK. So currently on GMT and UTC, and it is 19:46
 :P
[19:46] <wxl> YOU"RE A LIAR
[19:46] <wxl> FAKE NEWS
 Same here in Iceland (re @RikMills: Well, I am in the UK. So currently on GMT and UTC, and it is 19:46)
[19:46] <wxl> so i'm gonna rebuild the iso then
[19:47] <kc2bez[m]> Cool, fingers crossed.
[19:47] <wxl> building…
 ready to test when it completes
[19:48] <wxl> i don't know what sense to make out of this change though
[19:48] <wxl>   * Compile grub-efi-amd64 installable i386 platform on hirsute, to make
[19:48] <wxl>     it available in bionic and earlier as part of onegrub builds.
 Testing latest build ..
[20:29] <wxl> looks like the right grub on the manifest
 Failed again - same error.. (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <wxl> looks like the right grub on the manifest)
 got the pastebin of the logs?
 logs would be nice :P
 np - hang on a min (re @teward001: got the pastebin of the logs?)
 session log — does not look complete at all - https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/SvvyvHN2qQ/ (re @teward001: got the pastebin of the logs?)
[20:41] <wxl> i think he meant the Calamares log XD
[20:43] <wxl> @leokolb ^
 hang on (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <wxl> i think he meant the Calamares log XD)
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 sorry - earthquakes here ...https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/xBMpQRWtNz/
 sorry for the delay .. http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/xBMpQRWtNz/ (re @teward001: got the pastebin of the logs?)
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 that's a grub mismatch problem all right
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[21:14] <wxl> keep an eye out for a new iso. the release team is clearing some things in the queue and once that is done, they'll kick off a new build
[21:15] <wxl> i advise checking the .list and see what version of the grub packages are included. if it's -1ubuntu44 we're good.
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[22:01] <wxl> should be coming soon
[22:01] <wxl> release team says it's looking good
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 Testing (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <wxl> release team says it's looking good)
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 Boot successful! Now some shuteye.. (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <wxl> release team says it's looking good)
[22:46] <wxl> thanks @leokolb have a good night and don't fall out of bed ;)
 no comment! (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <wxl> thanks @leokolb have a good night and don't fall out of bed ;))
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[23:09] <lynorian> is there a bug for failing to add files to lxqt-archiver to newly created archives?
[23:13] <lynorian> just checked and nope 
[23:26] <wxl> i'm not sure i know what you mean @lynorian 
[23:27] <lynorian> wxl filed bug 1917960
[23:54] <wxl> @lynorian: thanks i'll take a look at it
[23:54] <wxl> ^ but if anyone else wants to confirm/triage, that would be great