[00:08] Hey folks. First time. Long time Linux user, new Multipass user. Trying to run multipass on a Windows 10 Home host with Virtualbox, and need to use a USB-attached device, but can't seem to find a way to pass it through. When I go into the Virtual Box GUI as System (https://multipass.run/docs/using-virtualbox-in-multipass-windows), I can't modify the settings (the GUI goes nuts) and USB [00:08] is listed as "disabled" anyway. Any ideas? [00:11] ab2m: I suggest trying in #multipass, I wouldn't be surprised if there's more windows multipass users there than here [00:11] Sarnold: Will do. I'll hang out here too just in case. :) [00:12] cool cool === mindbyte0 is now known as mindbyte === caverton2 is now known as caverton === seednode7 is now known as seednode === BromaxSux1 is now known as BromaxSux [00:40] Hi [00:40] What's a good TTF font editor in linux ubuntu [00:40] I need to make a font's individual glyphs a bit more narrow they're too wide. [00:42] Hash: maybe fontforge? [00:43] I have it [00:44] I'll try it [00:44] Looking to also edit HAccent vert to adjust line height also. [00:44] I found a python2 script that uses fonttools and adjusts all this for you on cli, but its python2, and I can't get it to work on ubuntu 20 which has python3 [00:46] https://input.djr.com/build/?fontSelection=whole&a=0&g=0&i=0&l=0&zero=0&asterisk=0&braces=0&preset=default&line-height=0.9&accept=I+do&email= David makes fonts available, but he has also provided that script in his zip file. [00:47] https://termbin.com/tb7m This is the script that edits fonts on commandline [00:47] If I can get this working in ubuntu 20.04, I can try this out [00:48] oh man, it looks old enough that it wasn't programnmed to run in both py2 and py3 [00:48] :( [00:50] yeah, I tried my hand at converting something from py2 to py3 yesterday and gave up after a few minutes, it needed someone more familiar with both languages :) [00:52] Im using Konversation in Kubuntu. No matter what I try I cannot get #ubuntu channel to auto join on connect to Freenode. Is this a bug? [00:52] what have you tried? [00:53] https://i.imgur.com/kIqx3C5.png [00:53] That's what the font looks like. It's a nice wide bold font, but it's too wide. I need to make it slightly compressed. Not edit actual font things, but just the width of the glyphs in it [00:54] For all of them, reduce it by a bit. [00:54] Trying to now figure out how to use this program [00:55] sarnold: Were you talking to me? If so, here it is: https://imgur.com/a/VCV4n4H [00:55] I can change the width, but only left side. :/ I'll figure itout [00:56] Hash: hah, that 'w' blows right through the bounding box.. [00:56] Yup [00:56] I can make it less wide and center! Nice. [00:56] I think I can do this now. Tedious, bu doable [00:56] revmacian: does the edit button next to 'default identify' lead to you some place to configure certificate authentication and perhaps a small delay before executing autojoins? [00:57] https://i.imgur.com/4R4kiKY.png It is for Diablo 2. So wide, but such a beautiful readable font in Diablo 2 OGM! [00:57] OMG [00:57] Just less narrow and we're in busienss [00:57] so close [00:59] sarnold: It leads to Auto-identify. You thinking that the identify is taking time and the auto-joins never get executed? Which other auto-identify types work on Freenode? [00:59] revmacian: yes, this channel for example has +r on it whic requires you to be identified before you can join [00:59] revmacian: most clients have a way to delay that for a bit to let services catch up [01:00] I expected to see it in the dialog box you pasted :) but alas no :( [01:00] sarnold: That's exactly what is happening. Now that I know this I can work towards fixing it. I don't think Konversation does that [01:01] sarnold: So, you can't join here if you're not reg'd and id'd? [01:01] right [01:01] How are new users supposed to know that limitation? [01:02] the ircd will send them an error message along hte lines of "you need to be registered and identified to join this channel" [01:03] so someone is making it harder to ask a question than it has to be for newbies? That sounds like the opposite of user-friendly. [01:03] yup] [01:03] but the spam load is bad news otherwise [01:03] Oh well, at least I know what's wrong now. [01:03] Oh, right, let's make it easier on staff but more difficult for new users. Ok. [01:04] I'll shutup now. [01:04] That may be advisable. [01:17] hello, can anyone tell me why my qbittorrent client looks so odd? https://imgur.com/JXpVysD.png [01:22] raecarruth: wild guess, one of the libraries it uses was replaced while it was running [01:22] i just installed it on this system for the first time [01:23] dang, I was way wrong.. [01:29] quick question , is it possible to search file contents by regex. I want to find all (text files), which contain certain string and I want to search by regex [01:29] maret: grep is the usual tool for this, ripgrep is nice if you've got LOTS of files [01:31] sarnold: make sense, how would I go about it ? [01:32] maret: grep '^r' /etc/passwd for example [01:33] that would be search for using ^r regex in /etc/passwd ? [01:33] yes === wodencafe is now known as WodenCafeDeSaDe === zbenjamin is now known as Guest87887 === zbenjamin_ is now known as zbenjamin === WodenCafeDeSaDe is now known as wodencafe === patr0clus is now known as s3nd1v0g1us [04:35] does anybody know to change cajas icon on the panel? [04:35] im seeing a blank@ === patr0clus is now known as s3nd1v0g1us === halvors1 is now known as halvors [06:54] Ever since I did an install of KDE along with my gnome-flashback, the menu text color has been unreadable. I'm also having a hard time GOOGLING this problem hence why I am here. here is a picture of what Im talking about https://i.imgur.com/JrV8cr3.png [06:54] the [06:55] the "grayed out" text is the selectable one, and the darker one isn't [06:55] 18.04 with gnome-flashback and metacity compiz [07:11] * JPSman watches a tumble weed blow through the chat room. [07:16] Hi there. I am a user of Ubuntu 20.04.2 LTS on AMD Ryzen platform. I find taskbar icons not showing for first logins every time I reboot, but after logging off and then back again, I have them displayed properly. Any ideas on that? [07:36] JPSman: which apps are like that? all of them? your screenshot shows audacity which uses wxwidgets [07:43] no, its not all of the apps, just some of them. Thats a big clue though thank you :D [07:44] hmm, whats another popular app that uses wxwidgets? [07:46] actually, I am using XChat as my IRC client and it has the same problem too [07:46] https://i.imgur.com/IyrQ8r2.png [07:49] JPSman: you're better off using hexchat, xchat is no longer maintained [07:49] ...... ok. but does xchat also use wxwidgets? [07:51] not sure, I can't tell [07:52] audacity is the only popular program I'm aware of and use myself that uses wxwidgets === patr0clus is now known as s3nd1v0g1us [08:26] hi folks. I created a VPN connection in network-manager. The problem is the option "[ ] Automatically connect to VPN" is absent. It annoys me to turn it on manually every time === acheronuk is now known as RikMills [08:37] I've found the configuration file in /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections/.nmconnection It has autoconnect=false. There is no way to change it via GUI. So you have to manually edit the file [08:41] Hey I need some advice [08:42] kill-animals, shoot [08:42] Is it possible to write an application that creates files that would only be writable by that application? [08:42] I am no chmod expert. [08:43] hm. [08:44] kill-animals: root has access to everything to technically the answer would be no but it isn't really a ubuntu support question [08:44] slidercrank: Basically I am building an app, will be packaging it in a snap, and I want to prevent users from deleting files accidentally, [08:45] there is the concept of user. If you run an application as a specific user, all applications running as the same user could have access to the same file. The access on determined per user, not per application [08:45] slidercrank: Hmmmm. [08:46] Wait; can't you create write protected files? I know sometimes I can't even RM something that is write protected. [08:46] kill-animals, you can create a user to run your application. Like "myapp". Thus files created by your app will have the user access 'myapp' [08:47] slidercrank: Interesting. [08:47] if only one app runs as myapp user, only this app will have access to it [08:47] Ill take a look at that then. [08:47] I think it's the easiest solution [08:48] kill-animals, yes, you can open a file exclusively. So while your app is running, no one else will be open your files. [08:48] Also, if you were to store partially downloaded files, that are meant to be persistent between reboots (IE, I don't want to store it in /tmp/) is there an obvious place in ~/.xyz that I should put it in? [08:49] slidercrank: Interesting. I'll look into that. [08:49] so it was not clear from the beginning: do you want to limit access while your app is running or permanently [08:49] wouldn't it matter where the files are stored though? anything under a user's /home will be editable by that user [08:50] slidercrank: Its a bit up in the air at the moment, as I strategize how I am going to deal with my issue. [08:51] ThinkT510: btw. I never know there was a T510 thinkpad [08:52] I thought it was T500, and T520. [08:53] yes, Thinkpad T510 exists [08:54] ThinkT510: but no x210 exists. Thats what had me scratching my head [09:34] What's a good permanent url shorten service free? [09:34] I had a link to a latest master.zip but it's too long and I need to shorten it and put in topic [09:43] !ot | Hash [09:43] Hash: #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, for all Ubuntu-related support questions. Please register with NickServ (see /msg ubottu !register) and use #ubuntu-offtopic for other topics (though our !guidelines apply there too). Thanks! === Underknowledge1 is now known as Underknowledge [10:09] Hi. I'm unable to connect to printer/scanner Canon MF241D. Kindly help how to use it [10:32] how are you connecting? [10:32] wired, or wifi? === waltman_ is now known as waltman === PowerTower_121 is now known as PowerTower_120 [11:25] Is there any screen annotation software available for linux that approximates the functionality one would have had in Compiz? [11:26] I have tried Gromit which is usable however it does seem a little bit flaky as to whether or not it wants to work at times. [11:32] Paddy_NI: ive seen some users before playing around with compiz on 18.04 and higher, but cant recall anymore what they did exactly [11:39] lotuspsychje: Yeah I did for a moment consider using compiz again but for the sake of the annotation feature it seems to be more hassle than it is worth. I suspect I'll just have to deal with the quirks of gromit. [11:40] What should I use to encrypt a disk? Not a system one, just a separate HDD [11:41] Paddy_NI: try also snap find annotate [11:41] lotuspsychje: been there done that [11:42] Normally the first thing I do before asking others is to search the repos, stack exchange, forums etc lotuspsychje [11:43] Paddy_NI: maybe someone in #ubuntu-discuss might know some alternates [11:44] Never heard of #ubuntu-discuss, is this new? [11:44] Is it official? [11:44] official, yes, new no [11:45] Cool [11:45] Delighted I was not told to use club ubuntu lol [11:45] X-D === lovetolearn is now known as ltl2 === popey8 is now known as popey [12:19] Investigating a very hard to reproduce issue on 20.04 with K3B - used for audio CD mastering regularly, we've had a recent session where the resulting CD's appeared good and the tracks and track lengths were correct, but every track was absolute silence. [12:20] TJ-, can I listen to these tracks in noisy environments to eliminate noise? :) [12:20] slidercrank: no, we'd need to record inverse waveforms of your enviroment for that to cancel it out# [12:50] Hi folks [12:56] hi [13:06] This is the first time I am going to use a RSS reader. I want the app to play a sound when a new feed arrives. Which one should I install ? [13:22] I think it's better to use a browser extension to read RSS feeds. Because you'll have to click on links in RSS anyway. [13:57] I think this is an Ubuntu question, but let me ask anyway. In Ubuntu there are some thing that require sudo / root that don't necessarily do on other distros? 1) Why is this? and 2) Can I allow some of these to run without having to invoke sudo everytime? [13:58] !alias [13:59] You mean in .bashrc? That's my current workaround, but I don't particularly like it since it calls root on a command that I may either forget what it does or could be changed. === RedNifre_ is now known as RedNifre [14:00] you could setup aliases for sudo commands in ~/.bash_aliases === lovetolearn is now known as ltl2 [14:02] OK, so let's take Apt as an example. Does Ubuntu require sudo because installations are mostly in system directories and in other distros this isn't necessarily the case? [14:05] most debian based distros use the same file system and structure ...dunno much about other linux OSs === JakeSays_ is now known as JakeSays [14:16] zmagii, yes apt installs to system directories, but the same is true for other distros package managers [14:17] zmagii, it's possible to configure the /etc/sudoers file to not require a password for specific commands. do you have an example that prompted your question? [14:20] oops, forgot about sudoers, good call, rory [14:39] From a technical perspective, how does Unity get programs to use the global menu bar? [14:39] Is there some hack it does with GTK? [14:42] Ah, looks like it has a patched version of GTK. [14:53] ssh works but locally what to do to get external ip or to make it work over globally [14:54] thatpythonboy, get your IP by Googling "what is my IP" or using this web service: curl ifconfig.me [14:55] if you're behind NAT, it will be tricky [14:55] thatpythonboy, in your router settings, port forwarding, set up port 22 to forward to the internal IP [14:55] You may also have to open ports on your router/modem. [14:56] Does anyone know how to reconnect a user to an encrypted home? I had to re-install my system and I have a user with an encrypted home. I had to do this once before a long time ago and I have a vague recollection of just having to symlink something. But my experiments with that have failed. Google has also been unhelpful. [14:57] any guides to do that [14:59] is it normal for linux-generic to point to 5.4? [14:59] !linux-generic [15:00] jeffro_working: which ubuntu version? [15:00] 20.04.2 [15:00] !info linux-generic focal [15:00] linux-generic (source: linux-meta): Complete Generic Linux kernel and headers. In component main, is optional. Version 5.4.0.66.69 (focal), package size 1 kB, installed size 18 kB (Only available for riscv64) [15:00] jeffro_working: yes [15:01] okay, so if I want a newer kernel I need to manually install a linux-image-5.xx-generic package [15:01] maybe you could try the hwe [15:01] !hwe | jeffro_working [15:01] jeffro_working: The Ubuntu LTS enablement stacks provide newer kernel and X support for existing LTS releases, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack [15:01] !mainline | or these [15:02] or these: The kernel team supply continuous mainline kernel builds which can be useful for tracking down issues or testing recent changes in the Linux kernel. More information is available at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/MainlineBuilds [15:05] I'm not interested in a mainline kernel. [15:06] Thank you though. I was looking at adding a pcie intel card and just making sure the kernel I use will have the drivers, so that I don't have to mess with drivers on this machine. [15:06] ax200 probably [15:06] i see [15:10] jeffro_working: perhaps try "locate ax200.ko" and see if anything pops up? [15:12] Can you get a refund for zephram alpha [15:30] Isn't that a character from Star Trek? [15:30] you should probably ask him. [15:31] * rory just made a trekkie quit in disgust [15:41] Hey folks. I just did-release-upgrade (heh) from 18.04 to 20.04 (server) and I'm having a problem with my mumble-server which I didn't have before. It's not able to read my SSL cert (from /etc/ssl/certs). However, when I just run murmurd (without options), it starts just fine. I saw this (https://github.com/mumble-voip/mumble/issues/3297) but it really looks more like a systemd issue. Any thoughts? [15:45] Gladwyn, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openssl/+bug/1856428/comments/2 [15:45] Launchpad bug 1856428 in golang-1.13 (Ubuntu) "Disable TLS below 1.2 by default" [Undecided,New] [15:46] hi! I'd like some sudo mount commands, and fstab entries, to fail if the mountpoint directory isn't empty. what's the easiest approach? [15:46] in bionic [15:47] Thanks, ioria, that's a good place to start! [15:47] actually I was kinda surprised that it didn't fail with "mountpoint is not empty". Seems that's a fuse-specific default. [15:47] ok [15:48] in the days of old there was a rule of thumb of 2xRAM is a good size for swap. Is there still a rule of thumb regarding swap and has it changed? [15:48] longshanks, for the last decade I usually omitted any swap [15:49] longshanks, you may need it though for stuff like suspend-to-disk [15:49] Sven_vB: I wondered if i needed it. I've a box i use running Ubuntu that is used as a home theatre pc and it never seems to use the swap. was just thinking maybe i'm wasting the 16GB of disk [15:50] nowadays lots of machines have so much actual RAM that they don't need a swap. [15:50] Sven_vB: so yeah sure on a laptop it might still be useful for suspend. But the home theatre pc is a desktop and never suspends [15:51] I've managed to lock up a laptop with 16 GB ram and next to no swap (whatever was default, I think just below one gig) by having a bajillion (like really 500+) browser tabs open plus Teams and Slack. OOM-killer would _eventually_ kick in but the laptop was unresponsive for up to 10 minutes. [15:51] Sven_vB: yeah that's the conclusion I've (recently) come to too.. [15:51] Like "I'd hard reboot now if I didn't know I have open files" unresponsive. [15:51] Gladwyn, ulimit can help [15:51] I launch all my "hungry" programs ulimit-ed [15:52] also it's a good idea to enable on-demand OOM kill via magic sysrq [15:52] Nice! I mean, I'm admittedly an idiot for having so many browser tabs open (they all were important _at some time!_) but I'd love my OS to handle that sort of shenanigans rather than be swarmed by it =P [15:53] (and practice it in advance. :D yes it may take a while until results become visible) [15:55] yeah on my netbook sometimes ulimit wasn't an option, VLC really needed that much RAM. and when I forgot a movie was paused, and returned after a few hours, I had to request OOM. Which worked reliably. After a few seconds, VLC was killed and the mouse was able to move again. [15:56] Cool, I'll look into that, thanks for a great tip, Sven_vB! I knew about SysRq from the olden days but I had completely forgotten about it, and didn't realise how perfect it would be for just this kind of thing. Much obliged! [16:01] What is OOM? [16:01] one of the magic sysreqs ? [16:01] longshanks: "Out of Mana" -- OOM killer is a kernel sub-routine that tries to find the biggest memory hog and kill it off, if your system is all out of RAM. [16:02] Gladwyn: neat. I'll have to go read more. Cheers :) [16:02] And yes, as I just learned from Sven_vB, you can actually trigger it manually, if you know you're close to the precipice [16:14] is there a (relatively) easy way to install kernel 5.10 in Ubuntu 20.10 ? Am running into this bug https://github.com/linux-on-mac/mbpfan/issues/221 [16:17] To be clear longshanks, OOM means "out of memory" in this context. Your system is manaless. [16:17] rory: thanks :) [16:20] is there a better channel for asking about mimetype associations? [16:21] xdg-mime query default application/pdf [16:21] how to make nsmbd and nmbd on demand rather than started at boot? I think I could improve my boot time by 30 seconds or more if these services were opened only when I want to send a file to my phone, aother laptop, etc. [16:21] ..returns /usr/share/applications/okularApplication_pdf.desktop [16:22] yet xdg-open x.pdf uses evince [16:26] lotuspsychje: Last time I was here you recommended install preload stacer haveged and tweak systemd services and startup items. If anything my boot time got slower! Is there a revert to a time before like Restore Point in Windows? [16:33] nunya: you can do time machine like snapshots I just don't know if that's enabled by default === jor_ is now known as jor [16:38] nunya: no. Just undo everything you did if you feel they are the cause [16:40] nunya: also checking your shell history to see what you did sometimes helps jog the memory [16:43] longshanks: I wish I could remember what I did. I've uninstalled and reinstalled so many things trying to get a faster boot time so was hoping to return my system to what it was a couple of days ago. [16:44] leftyfb: I wish I could remember what I did. I've uninstalled and reinstalled so many things trying to get a faster boot time so was hoping to return my system to what it was a couple of days ago. [16:44] nunya: there is a systemd-profiler have you looked at that? produces some swanky graph for you to see where it's taking time [16:48] longshanks:systemd-profiler in terminal does nothing, sudo Apt-get install gives Unable to locate package systemd-profiler [16:52] ptah: please do not PM [16:53] leftyfb are you the same guy in efnet #linuxhelp? [16:53] ptah: that is offtopic here. What can we help you with? [16:55] nunya: the systemd profiling is called systemd-analyze I believe [16:57] nunya: any program which helps is going to require you at least look at the man-pages/docs to see how to use it. === RonWhoCares_ is now known as RonWhoCaresOffic [16:58] Is someone able to walk me through a boot repair for Ubuntu Studio 20.04 ? The reason this has come along is to try and setup a dual boot Windows 10 and Ubuntu on this computer. [16:59] RonWhoCaresOffic: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows [17:02] longshanks: 1systemd-analyze blame shows 1min 35.001s man-db.service, 51.336s snapd.service Those 2 services if I could disable at boot time and make them on demand services would save 2:20 on boot time. Have googled but having hard time finding or understanding what to do. [17:02] systemd-analyze blame [17:22] ptah: this is a support channel. Do you have a support question? [17:28] leftyfb:I have received an error with a command Boot Repair gave me. Would you look at this pastebin? https://pastebin.com/vxkiXTUg [17:30] RonWhoCaresOffic: neither of those commands were in the article I sent you and have nothing to do with re-installing grub after you installed Windows [17:31] Morning! I have been sent by the folk in ##networking to ask about possible bugs in the DHCP client. [17:31] ptah: I am not on the computer that has the issue [17:32] ptah: The CTCP version request you just sent is irrelevent [17:32] RonWhoCaresOffic: ignore them, they are not here to help [17:32] leftyfb: I did exactly as you stated. "boot-repair" has given me a list of ~5 commands to run in Terminal to repair this [17:33] RonWhoCaresOffic: right, and none of those commands involve apt/dpkg [17:34] RonWhoCaresOffic: you can also try https://www.howtogeek.com/114884/how-to-repair-grub2-when-ubuntu-wont-boot/ [17:35] hi, i'm looking to "cap" my ubuntu system for mobile internet usage [17:35] I'm having an issue where suddenly, overnight, something is occuring to my Ubuntu Server (20.04). In the morning I discover I can't resolve its DHCP. All my fstab entries are nullified and upon ssh'ing to the hostname, Temporary failure in name resolution. DNS is being handled by my Linksys router. Just bought it a couple months ago. This happened with both the current and previous router I owned. The server's IP address is [17:35] reserved in DHCP (192.168.1.16) [17:35] is there anything more than restricting updates i should think of? [17:36] Rebooting generally solves the issue, but I'm curious why this happening in the first place. Someone in ##networking suggested there might be bugs in Ubuntu's DHCP client. [17:36] diofantoz: nope. Not much else runs by default that will use any significant amount of data [17:36] (doubtful but they wanted me to ask about this here) [17:36] leftyfb: cool [17:36] Kraus: I would look at logs to see what happens with networking around the time of the issue [17:36] https://pastebin.com/WDhN5Y2F [17:37] The lost carrier, gainer carrier, is when I reboot the router. [17:37] But you can see, the last router restart was today, and it was able to get its IP back. [17:37] So that doesn't seem to be the issue... [17:39] Kraus: your pastebin is invalid. [17:40] Oy, one sec, it must have expired. [17:40] https://pastebin.com/kJXvnSfw [17:40] what time on here did the issue happen? [17:41] Overnight whilst I slept [17:41] And I went to sleep around 2 am, so there wasn't much time. :) [17:42] Kraus: you need to be more specific than that. Which of the times in the pastebin you posted reflect the issue? All of them? Also, it looks like this isn't happening often enough to point to any sort of DHCP client issue [17:42] Kraus: otherwise it would be happening pretty consistently [17:42] The post does not reflect the issue. That's the log for my DHCP. [17:43] not once or twice every 4-5 days [17:43] Kraus: ok, please share the networking logs from the server reflecting the time(s) when the issue is happening [17:43] Isn't that what I did? $ journalctl -u systemd-networkd [17:44] Kraus: ok, then if nothing is showing up in the logs, and the only symptom you have is not being able to resolve DNS for the hostname of the machine, it sounds like the issue is not with the machine. Can you ping the ip at the time that the hostname isn't being resolved? [17:45] Yeah, I'm actually SSHed into it via the IP address right now. [17:45] It's only the hostname that's not resolving. If I ssh [hostname] it says "Temporary failure in name resolution" [17:46] Kraus: ok, then the issue is not with the ubuntu server at all but with your DHCP/DNS server (router) [17:47] Both my current and previous ones? That seems odd... only for that one ubuntu machine? Why not my desktop as well if that's the case? [17:48] Made /etc/systemd/system.conf.bak, Edited as sudo /etc/systemd/system.conf, edited lines DefaultTimeoutStartSec=90s to DefaultTimeoutStartSec=10s, DefaultTimeoutStopSec=90s to DefaultTimeoutStopSec=10s Now have 2:40 second from boot to icons on Desktop Better than 3:15 before. I also removed package brltty since I am not blind using a braille terminal. Having one less daemon at boot may have helped. === ace_me1 is now known as ace_me [17:48] Kraus: no clue. You can test by running: host

[17:50] leftyb: longshanks: Made /etc/systemd/system.conf.bak, Edited as sudo /etc/systemd/system.conf, edited lines DefaultTimeoutStartSec=90s to DefaultTimeoutStartSec=10s, DefaultTimeoutStopSec=90s to DefaultTimeoutStopSec=10s Now have 2:40 second from boot to icons on Desktop Better than 3:15 before. I also removed package brltty since I am not blind using a braille terminal. Having one less daemon at boot may have helped [17:51] leftyfb: Seems to be working.. it's giving the name, the address (192.168.1.1#53) alias, then it gives the name of the host and says it has an address of 192.168.1.16 [17:51] Kraus: what OS are you running on your client? [17:52] My client? [17:52] Kraus: yes, the machine you are trying to resolve from [17:52] diofantoz: if you're using network manager, tag the connection as metered. [17:52] Oh! Ubuntu Studio 20.04 [17:53] Kraus: ok, pastebin: nmcli device show|grep DNS [17:53] https://pastebin.com/xUXL5bSq [17:54] Kraus: is 2600:6c4e:117f:d878:ea9f:80ff:fe79:b217 the IPv6 of your router? [17:55] Kraus: also: cat /etc/resolv.conf [17:55] leftyfb: I have nooooo idea. [17:55] I'm not familiar with how to work with IPv6 addresses [17:57] Both my server and desktop have this in the resolv.conf nameserver 127.0.0.53 \ options edns0 trust-ad [17:58] Kraus: My initial thought is to try to disable ipv6 on your Ubuntu studio machine. My thought is the ipv6 address (possibly from your router) isn't resolving properly. Either way, it seems to me that the issue is with your studio machine having issues resolving local addresses and not actually a problem with the server. [18:00] I'm curious to see where that v6 address is going to. [18:01] I'm able to ping it easily. [18:01] Kraus: try to pull it up in a browser [18:02] traceroute6 on the other hand... it's having some issues... [18:02] leftyfb: How do I do that? I copy/paste it to the address bar and it thinks I'm doing a web search [18:03] Kraus: http://2600:6c4e:117f:d878:ea9f:80ff:fe79:b217 [18:03] Nope, still taking me to a web search... [18:03] Kraus: you could also look through the settings on your router. That might tell you if the address originated from there [18:06] leftyfb: I translated it to IPv4 and it's 254.121.178.23 [18:06] Kraus: that ipv6 nameserver is provided by your router. You should be able to delete it so you only get the ip of your router for DNS [18:07] Wait, sorry, I'm confused.. [18:08] Kraus: ipv6 addresses don't natively "translate" to an ipv4 address. That's not how they work. [18:08] https://ipworld.info/ipv6-to-ipv4/ ? [18:09] Anyways, what I'm confused about is.. why would I need to disable anything to make it stop not-working? [18:11] Would it not be logical that I would have to disable IPv6 on all other machines too? That makes no sense. I also cannot ssh to my desktop from my server via hostname for the same failure to resolve. [18:12] Kraus: it seems you are intermittently not able to resolve local addresses. You have an ipv4 nameserver and an ipv6 being assigned to your DHCP clients on your network. If you are not actively using ipv6, disabling that on your router and/or your clients is a good place to start. You should only ever have 1 address being assigned for local DNS anyway ... unless you're running an ipv6 network locally as well. In which case, you would more than [18:12] likely know enough to sort all of this out on your own to begin with. [18:12] leftyfb: Resolving local addresses is fine. It's resolving local hostnames that's not working. [18:13] Kraus: does your server also have multiple nameservers assigned? systemd-resolve --status|grep -i "dns servers" [18:13] leftyfb, Kraus: kind of late, but the way to use an IPv6 numeric address in a url is square brackets, like http://[2600:6c4e:117f:d878:ea9f:80ff:fe79:b217] [18:13] Kraus: I mean local hostnames, not addresses. I know the issue [18:15] rfm: Yeah, that's pointing to 192.168.1.1 [18:15] Kraus: disable ipv6 on either your router or client. Reboot client, test and then we go from there [18:15] But what causes this? [18:16] I hate treating a patient without understanding the cause. [18:16] ipv6 is used by at least 30% of websites, I wouldnt advise turning it off [18:16] Kraus: problem #1: multiple nameservers. problem #2, trying to use an ipv6 nameserver to resolve the ipv4 address of hostnames [18:17] Multiple nameservers? [18:17] cncr04s: that's not how this works. They will still be able to get to all websites [18:17] leftyfb: You may call me he/him/your-majesty ^_^ [18:17] Kraus: pardon? [18:17] You used 'they'. I was just letting you know what I am :) [18:18] Sorry, can you show me where it was established I have multiple nameservers? [18:19] (leftyfb [18:19] ) [18:19] Kraus: https://pastebin.com/xUXL5bSq [18:20] leftyfb: Isn't that the default output for a machine that has IPv6 enabled? [18:21] Kraus: let me know when you disable ipv6 on either the client or the router and we'll continue troubleshooting [18:21] * Kraus blinks. [18:21] I just want to understand why we need to do that first? Why would anything need to be altered from standard configuration before it will work? [18:22] Because that doesn't make sense why it would be fine for months... then suddenly start having issues... [18:22] Kraus: because something isn't working, so we test a hypothesis before moving onto coming up with new ones [18:23] Kraus: because "intermittent" [18:23] Ahhh! so this is just temporarily disabling it. [18:23] Kraus: to test, yes. Though if it solves the issue, I'd be hard pressed to be convinced of a good reason to re-enable it [18:25] Gotcha! I thought we were just ducttaping the problem (which some are prone to do) instead of finding the cause === patr0clus is now known as s3nd1v0g1us [18:29] leftyfb: Alright, looks like I disabled it, but the v6 address is still showing after $ nmcli device show|grep DNS [18:29] Kraus: to be honest, if disabling ipv6 fixes the problem, then I'm pretty happy with that. Also, you said this is intermittent. How often? The only way to test is to wait X amount of time you feel it should have happened [18:29] Kraus: reconnect to the network and/or reboot. Where did you disable ipv6? [18:30] leftyfb: Every few weeks? ish? Hard to tell. I haven't been keeping a log. [18:30] I followed these instructions https://itsfoss.com/disable-ipv6-ubuntu-linux/ [18:30] Says it's only a temporary disable. [18:30] Kraus: ok, then you'll have to wait a few weeks or longer before knowing if what you did fixed the issue. Nothing to do in the meantime [18:31] There has to be a more definite way... [18:31] Kraus: ok, lets get it verified and disabled properly so it'll stay disabled across reboots. [18:31] Could you explain how to do it properly? [18:31] Kraus: the only way to test a fix for a problem is to replicate the problem. If the problem is intermittent and only happens every few weeks, you have to replicate that scenario [18:32] And that's the thing, is I'm not sure what event is triggering it. So far all we've done is temporarily disable IPv6 on a machine that isn't being affected. [18:33] Kraus: it is 100% affected [18:34] Why I would want to permanently disable something on an unrelated machine to fix the problem occuring on the source machine... makes no sense. Would I not logically have to disable it on all machines other than the problem machine? [18:34] Kraus: the issue is said machine not being able to resolve a local hostname on it's own but can when you specify the nameserver manually. That means the issue is not with the hostname you're trying to resolve but the machine trying to do the resolving [18:35] (which machine is 'said' machine)? [18:35] Oh waitwaitwait, maybe you misunderstand. [18:35] Kraus: source(problem) machine = all DHCP clients who are receiving multiple nameservers [18:36] I am not specifying a nameserver. I stated that I can ssh to the affected machine(server) when specifying its IP address. [18:36] Kraus: you did when you ran the host command I gave you earlier [18:36] Kraus: here, lets test.... is your studio machine still having the issue resolving the hostname of the server? === jiggawattz_ is now known as DoneMitigated [18:39] Whoaaahhh... wait, what you just said made me think about something... I just tried pinging the hostname from my phone using LANDroid and it's able to find it... [18:39] Veerrrryyy interesting.... [18:39] So it's not the server itself... [18:39] Kraus: so that shows you the problem is not with the server [18:39] Right! [18:39] Then why does rebooting the server usually solve the issue? [18:39] it doesn't [18:40] It has in the past... [18:40] Kraus: coincidence [18:40] Also! Remember what I mentioned about suddenly my sound not working on my ubuntu-studio machine? Coincidence? I think NOT. [18:40] Both these issues began after re-logging into my studio machine. [18:41] Kraus: sounds not working is completely unrelated to anything we've discussed thus gar [18:41] far* [18:41] I have a feeling the problem may be related though... the odds are too great. [18:41] Kraus: negative [18:42] Kraus: would you like to continue with the setup for troubleshooting your DNS issue? [18:42] I thought you said I had to wait for weeks? [18:43] Kraus: we want to verify ipv6 is disabled and then make sure it will take across reboots and reconnections [18:44] According to these that I'm reading, I have to add some lines to my sysctl.conf file. [18:45] Kraus: yup, and we need to test [18:45] Kraus: actually, with later versions of ubuntu, I think that doesn't 100% work [18:46] Kraus: https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-disable-ipv6-address-on-ubuntu-20-04-lts-focal-fossa look at step 1 and 2 [18:46] Yeah, I'm seeing different versions of these instructions... [18:47] *sighs* Yknow, I'm really.. really considering just redoing my machine. I can't even upgrade to 20.10 because the studio devs switched to cinnamon or something. [18:47] Kraus: that will 100% not fix the issue [18:47] True but why configure lines on a config file that will soon be wiped out? [18:48] I'm not doing anything more important right now, I should just get working on this system redo. [18:49] Err, not Cinnamon.. Plasma.. [18:50] Kraus: the issue is(my hypothesis) with your router giving out an ipv4 and ipv6 nameservers and you machine(s) having issues trying to resolve an ipv4 address from the hostname using the ipv6 address it might intermittently try to use. If we disable ipv6 on the client, then no ipv6 nameserver will be assigned to it. If we disable ipv6 on the router(my recommendation), then it will not assign ipv6 addresses anywhere on your local network [18:51] leftyfb: Shouldn't I just disable IPv6 on the router then? [18:51] Kraus: that is preferred, yes. I have recommended that multiple times above [18:51] You told me to disable IPv6 on my studio machine. O_o [18:52] Anyways, let me disable it. One moment. [18:54] Kraus: you will need to reconnect to your network or possible reboot machines in order for them to update their network assignments from dhcp [18:55] where is exactly /tmp folder for snap application? I started 'namebench' and it is supposed to save some report at /tmp , but where it is actually saved, when it is an snap application?? [18:57] I have just found it under "/tmp/snap.namebench-snap/tmp" but it is only visible to sudoer/root account and not for user that is using the snap app?? [19:00] Test [19:00] Wow, were you able to see anything I just typed? I was still able to type even though I got booted from the channel. [19:01] Kraus, there is kick, it's not the ban. One can rejoin and learn lesson :P [19:01] Nono, what I mean is I lost connection to Freenode all together. ANyways here's what I said: [19:02] Kraus: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/KFpzYYFFBf/ [19:02] [10:57:16 am] Okay.. let me see if I can describe precisely all what just happened right now. [19:02] [10:58:59 am] Okay, disabled IPv6 on the router, '$ nmcli device show|grep DNS' still showed two nameservers, so I rebooted my client machine(studio), still showing two nameservers, AND just now, I got disconnected from IRC (I'm using Quassel Core), which means my server lost connection, regained connection... so I'm wondering if disabling IPv6 caused something to happen on the server. [19:02] Anyways, still cannot resolve the hostname [19:03]