| leftyfb | tomreyn: ptah is a troll ... that was probably their alt that you banned | 00:17 |
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| tomreyn | leftyfb: i cannot know. how do you know they're a troll? | 00:19 |
| tomreyn | or what makes them (other then asking about a stone age ubuntu version) | 00:19 |
| leftyfb | tomreyn: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/YjKqVtVZ49/ | 00:20 |
| leftyfb | I've got some stuff from 2016 along the same lines ... they're part of the "efnet news" troll group. They've been trolling channels on Efnet for years | 00:21 |
| leftyfb | coming up with arcane questions is part of their game ... they half make it seem like they're legitimate questions | 00:21 |
| leftyfb | this particular one was pinging me earlier asking me if I was the same one who wouldn't play their game on EFnet earlier today. | 00:22 |
| tomreyn | thanks for the past chat (but io have no means to verify its the same user) - can we discuss this in #ubuntu-ops? | 00:22 |
| leftyfb | and CTCP'ing random people | 00:22 |
| leftyfb | seriously? | 00:22 |
| tomreyn | you know, io only gained +o on #ubuntu recently, my hopes are that someone else can identify them | 00:23 |
| tomreyn | but let me see the logs. | 00:23 |
| tomreyn | i mean i'll check them | 00:23 |
| pizzaiolo | tomreyn leftyfb https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/yWvz37Cgtr/ if it looks like a troll and acts like a troll... | 01:34 |
| lotuspsychje | good morning | 03:42 |
| ducasse | good morning | 07:17 |
| imrjd | to install snap version of vlc 49 mins to install deb version of vlc 3 mins | 09:00 |
| imrjd | great | 09:00 |
| lotuspsychje | 49min? | 11:32 |
| lotuspsychje | are you 56k modem imrjd ? | 11:39 |
| imrjd | no sir , FTH connection | 11:42 |
| lotuspsychje | how can vlc snap be 49min install | 11:43 |
| imrjd | thats what it told me | 11:43 |
| imrjd | :) | 11:49 |
| lotuspsychje | imrjd: https://imgur.com/a/zEHtsvP 6min | 11:51 |
| lotuspsychje | 400kb/sec kinda slow indeed, maybe their repos have a hard time atm | 11:54 |
| imrjd | thats not acceptable when your life is on the line? | 12:00 |
| lotuspsychje | yeah should be going faster indeed | 12:01 |
| lotuspsychje | imrjd: feel free to file a bug; contact: https://www.videolan.org/support/ | 12:02 |
| imrjd | every other distro has some issues or the other, thats why i am hanging out to ubuntu | 12:02 |
| * ogra points to https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/very-slow-download-speeds-while-installing-anything-from-the-store/7844 for debugging | 12:07 | |
| imrjd | i installed the latest version of Libre Office has i had installed a bare system , so when the next LTS is released do i have to remove all PPA's and its installed software | 12:14 |
| lotuspsychje | imrjd: normaly on upgrades, ubuntu disables external ppa's these days | 12:31 |
| lotuspsychje | imrjd: but its surely wise to have a rather clean system/up to date before you upgrade/ltsupgrade | 12:38 |
| imrjd | yeah can't wait for the next release that's in 2022 | 12:41 |
| lotuspsychje | imrjd: wayland by default probably | 12:43 |
| lotuspsychje | as they are testing it on non-lts atm | 12:43 |
| imrjd | wayland will be enabled much earlier | 12:43 |
| lotuspsychje | yeah next non lts will have it/test it | 12:44 |
| imrjd | :) hope nvidia get their act together and enable support for wayland | 12:44 |
| lotuspsychje | there's been some work on that too | 12:45 |
| lotuspsychje | there was a wiki about nvidia/wayland workaround | 12:45 |
| imrjd | yeah | 12:45 |
| imrjd | what do u think of wayland | 12:46 |
| lotuspsychje | its been a while since i tested it | 12:48 |
| imrjd | does current 20.4 rele4ase has it?> | 12:49 |
| lotuspsychje | yeah | 12:49 |
| lotuspsychje | choosable @ gdm | 12:49 |
| imrjd | ok | 12:49 |
| lotuspsychje | maybe i should switch to wayland and see the bugs around to help | 12:50 |
| imrjd | what version are you on | 12:50 |
| lotuspsychje | 20.04 | 12:50 |
| imrjd | okie | 12:51 |
| imrjd | u like to stay on LTS releases | 12:51 |
| lotuspsychje | im an LTS debugger | 12:51 |
| lotuspsychje | yeah | 12:51 |
| lotuspsychje | i need it for my customers | 12:51 |
| imrjd | like ? customers | 12:52 |
| lotuspsychje | i got a small business selling clevo's with ubuntu/ssd's | 12:53 |
| lotuspsychje | but also upgrades/second lifes of all brands | 12:53 |
| imrjd | are you based from germany | 12:53 |
| lotuspsychje | belgium | 12:54 |
| imrjd | ok | 12:54 |
| liuyonghao156 | I upgraded my study rig to 20.10 this morning, only to find so many packages deprecated. | 12:54 |
| liuyonghao156 | For the first time I felt the zfs implementation so useful | 12:54 |
| lotuspsychje | liuyonghao156: what kind of packages | 12:55 |
| imrjd | so you switched to pervious snap shot? | 12:55 |
| liuyonghao156 | gvfs-bin | 12:55 |
| liuyonghao156 | imrjd: Definitely. I rolled right back after discovering that the cloud service that drives my day was removed, which explicitly depends on gvfs-bin | 12:57 |
| liuyonghao156 | To be more specific, I use Nutstore, a Chinese based cloud service provider. The only thing that works both on Linux and in mainland China. | 13:00 |
| imrjd | ok | 13:01 |
| liuyonghao156 | By the way, I don't think the zfs implementation would automatically clean up. | 13:01 |
| imrjd | do u keep a eye on the size of snapshots | 13:02 |
| liuyonghao156 | I have to manually destroy history snapshots every once in a while | 13:02 |
| liuyonghao156 | They easily take hundreds of gigs on my 500GB NVMe stick | 13:02 |
| imrjd | yeah | 13:03 |
| liuyonghao156 | I expected when I installed the system that it would only keep some reasonably new snapshots | 13:04 |
| liuyonghao156 | but I later found it otherwise LOL | 13:04 |
| imrjd | this is why i install Ext4 this time, and avoided ZFS filesystem | 13:05 |
| liuyonghao156 | Amazingly I don't find anyone talking about this | 13:06 |
| liuyonghao156 | I mean, literally! | 13:06 |
| liuyonghao156 | I can only see how a charm the zfs file system works on a ubuntu fresh installation | 13:07 |
| liuyonghao156 | But they all skip the point how those large amount of snapshots are managed | 13:08 |
| tomreyn | i think the installer labels it as a development preview, doesnt it. | 13:10 |
| imrjd | is their a bug report filed somewhere on launchpad? | 13:11 |
| tomreyn | there are many bug reports files somewhere on launchpad, about very different things. | 13:11 |
| imrjd | this specific issue? | 13:11 |
| tomreyn | no idea :) | 13:11 |
| tomreyn | it won't be that hard to find out, though, if you want it enough. | 13:12 |
| imrjd | oke | 13:12 |
| tomreyn | did http://www.fastly-debug.com/ seem to work the way it seems to be meant to work for any of you? | 13:13 |
| tomreyn | i only get to the point where it says "Collecting data please w2ait" and spins the wheels | 13:13 |
| tomreyn | even after minutes, even with a new browser profile | 13:14 |
| imrjd | i avoid snaps at all cost | 13:22 |
| lotuspsychje | you said you installed vlc | 13:24 |
| imrjd | deb package | 13:24 |
| imrjd | :) | 13:24 |
| lotuspsychje | did you cancel the snap | 13:24 |
| imrjd | i uninstalled it later on | 13:25 |
| lotuspsychje | so you are curious at snaps eh :p | 13:26 |
| imrjd | the command i copies from webiste specified snaps | 13:26 |
| imrjd | sudo snap install vlc | 13:26 |
| lotuspsychje | sudo snap remove vlc 5sec :p | 13:34 |
| imrjd | did just that :) | 13:34 |
| imrjd | snap as a concept is very good i like it but performance and making others use it not cool | 13:34 |
| lotuspsychje | we cant generalize that imrjd | 13:35 |
| imrjd | maybe | 13:35 |
| lotuspsychje | snaps have different maintainers | 13:35 |
| imrjd | yes | 13:35 |
| lotuspsychje | they dont all work the same | 13:35 |
| imrjd | today i installed a outrun classic game as a snap | 13:35 |
| imrjd | cannonball snap from martimwimpress | 13:36 |
| lotuspsychje | and? | 13:36 |
| imrjd | initial launch took time | 13:36 |
| imrjd | then its ok | 13:36 |
| imrjd | i like the game brings young memories | 13:36 |
| lotuspsychje | the car race game outrun? | 13:37 |
| imrjd | yes | 13:37 |
| imrjd | https://snapcraft.io/cannonball | 13:37 |
| imrjd | it downloaded core20 first | 13:37 |
| lotuspsychje | thats cool | 13:38 |
| lotuspsychje | but thats the opposite of your statement; <imrjd> i avoid snaps at all cost | 13:38 |
| imrjd | yes and maybe legal issue also as the game downloads a ROM | 13:44 |
| imrjd | sadly sometimes the pill is bitter but you have to swallow it | 13:49 |
| imrjd | but hey i am njoying the ganme :) | 14:01 |
| imrjd | brb | 14:04 |
| longxia | This article (https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/03/psa-linux-folks-stay-away-from-the-5-12-rc1-kernel/) mentions ubuntu using a swap file but all of my installs use a swap partition (LTS server and DE). Is this a recent change? Or is the article wrong? | 14:34 |
| jeremy31 | longxia: Ubuntu will install with a swap partition if one already exists | 14:37 |
| longxia | I know it's about an RC release. I was just wondering if a swap file has become a default during install, or maybe I subconsciously always choose a swap partition. | 14:38 |
| longxia | jeremy31: I mean clean installs. | 14:38 |
| longxia | I do mostly use LVM. Maybe that defaults to using a swap partition? | 14:38 |
| jeremy31 | longxia: I fresh install on a empty drive will get a swap file, if you use an ISO to install 20.04 over a 16.04 with a swap partition, the 20.04 should use the partition rather than a file | 14:39 |
| jeremy31 | Unless you choose to delete the partition before installing | 14:40 |
| jeremy31 | 18.04 was the first to use a swap file | 14:41 |
| longxia | jeremy31: ah, thanks. Some of my Ubuntu installations were provided by a VPS hosting company so that may play a part. | 14:43 |
| longxia | jeremy31: Thanks! | 14:43 |
| longxia | they provided the image, I mean, not pre-installed. | 14:44 |
| jeremy31 | longxia: servers might still use a partition on an empty drive, I don't know. They don't even mention what change causes the issue with swap file | 14:45 |
| maxFlexGuest | Do you recommend installing Kubuntu 20.04 LTS alongside Ubuntu Studio 20.04 LTS or installing KDE Plasma with APT from within Ubuntu Studio (not Xubuntu 20.04 LTS)? | 15:24 |
| leftyfb | maxFlexGuest: why would you install an entirely new OS when you just want an additional DE? | 15:26 |
| maxFlexGuest | Does installing the KDE Plasma desktop environment automatically unlock access to Kubuntu software? | 15:27 |
| leftyfb | maxFlexGuest: I'm not sure. You might have to install some applications | 15:27 |
| maxFlexGuest | Is it true that if I am running one flavor of Ubuntu Focal Fossa, then the APT repositories will include repositories for desktop environments from other Focal Fossa flavors? | 16:02 |
| lotuspsychje | maxFlexGuest: tomreyn already explained you that in -studio? | 16:03 |
| imrjd | i want a particular screen saver ? | 16:33 |
| imrjd | ASCIIQuarium | 16:33 |
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