[00:17] <leftyfb> tomreyn: ptah is a troll ... that was probably their alt that you banned
[00:19] <tomreyn> leftyfb: i cannot know. how do you know they're a troll?
[00:19] <tomreyn> or what makes them (other then asking about a stone age ubuntu version)
[00:20] <leftyfb> tomreyn: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/YjKqVtVZ49/
[00:21] <leftyfb> I've got some stuff from 2016 along the same lines ... they're part of the "efnet news" troll group. They've been trolling channels on Efnet for years
[00:21] <leftyfb> coming up with arcane questions is part of their game ... they half make it seem like they're legitimate questions
[00:22] <leftyfb> this particular one was pinging me earlier asking me if I was the same one who wouldn't play their game on EFnet earlier today.
[00:22] <tomreyn> thanks for the past chat (but io have no means to verify its the same user) - can we discuss this in #ubuntu-ops?
[00:22] <leftyfb> and CTCP'ing random people
[00:22] <leftyfb> seriously?
[00:23] <tomreyn> you know, io only gained +o on #ubuntu recently, my hopes are that someone else can identify them
[00:23] <tomreyn> but let me see the logs.
[00:23] <tomreyn> i mean i'll check them
[01:34] <pizzaiolo> tomreyn leftyfb https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/yWvz37Cgtr/ if it looks like a troll and acts like a troll...
[03:42] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[07:17] <ducasse> good morning
[09:00] <imrjd> to install snap version of vlc 49 mins to install deb version of vlc 3 mins
[09:00] <imrjd> great
[11:32] <lotuspsychje> 49min?
[11:39] <lotuspsychje> are you 56k modem imrjd ?
[11:42] <imrjd> no sir , FTH connection
[11:43] <lotuspsychje> how can vlc snap be 49min install
[11:43] <imrjd> thats what it told me
[11:49] <imrjd> :)
[11:51] <lotuspsychje> imrjd: https://imgur.com/a/zEHtsvP 6min
[11:54] <lotuspsychje> 400kb/sec kinda slow indeed, maybe their repos have a hard time atm
[12:00] <imrjd> thats not acceptable when your life is on the line?
[12:01] <lotuspsychje> yeah should be going faster indeed
[12:02] <lotuspsychje> imrjd: feel free to file a bug; contact:   https://www.videolan.org/support/
[12:02] <imrjd> every other distro has some issues or the other, thats why i am hanging out to ubuntu
[12:07]  * ogra points to https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/very-slow-download-speeds-while-installing-anything-from-the-store/7844 for debugging
[12:14] <imrjd> i installed the latest version of Libre Office has i had installed a bare system , so when the next LTS is released do i have to remove all PPA's and its installed software
[12:31] <lotuspsychje> imrjd: normaly on upgrades, ubuntu disables external ppa's these days
[12:38] <lotuspsychje> imrjd: but its surely wise to have a rather clean system/up to date before you upgrade/ltsupgrade
[12:41] <imrjd> yeah can't wait for the next release that's in 2022
[12:43] <lotuspsychje> imrjd: wayland by default probably
[12:43] <lotuspsychje> as they are testing it on non-lts atm
[12:43] <imrjd> wayland will be enabled much earlier
[12:44] <lotuspsychje> yeah next non lts will have it/test it
[12:44] <imrjd> :) hope nvidia get their act together and enable support for wayland
[12:45] <lotuspsychje> there's been some work on that too
[12:45] <lotuspsychje> there was a wiki about nvidia/wayland workaround
[12:45] <imrjd> yeah
[12:46] <imrjd> what do u think of wayland
[12:48] <lotuspsychje> its been a while since i tested it
[12:49] <imrjd> does current 20.4 rele4ase has it?>
[12:49] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[12:49] <lotuspsychje> choosable @ gdm
[12:49] <imrjd> ok
[12:50] <lotuspsychje> maybe i should switch to wayland and see the bugs around to help
[12:50] <imrjd> what version are you on
[12:50] <lotuspsychje> 20.04
[12:51] <imrjd> okie
[12:51] <imrjd> u like to stay on LTS releases
[12:51] <lotuspsychje> im an LTS debugger
[12:51] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[12:51] <lotuspsychje> i need it for my customers
[12:52] <imrjd> like ? customers
[12:53] <lotuspsychje> i got a small business selling clevo's with ubuntu/ssd's
[12:53] <lotuspsychje> but also upgrades/second lifes of all brands
[12:53] <imrjd> are you based from germany
[12:54] <lotuspsychje> belgium
[12:54] <imrjd> ok
[12:54] <liuyonghao156> I upgraded my study rig to 20.10 this morning, only to find so many packages deprecated.
[12:54] <liuyonghao156> For the first time I felt the zfs implementation so useful
[12:55] <lotuspsychje> liuyonghao156: what kind of packages
[12:55] <imrjd> so you switched to pervious snap shot?
[12:55] <liuyonghao156> gvfs-bin
[12:57] <liuyonghao156> imrjd: Definitely. I rolled right back after discovering that the cloud service that drives my day was removed, which explicitly depends on gvfs-bin
[13:00] <liuyonghao156> To be more specific, I use Nutstore, a Chinese based cloud service provider. The only thing that works both on Linux and in mainland China.
[13:01] <imrjd> ok
[13:01] <liuyonghao156> By the way, I don't think the zfs implementation would automatically clean up.
[13:02] <imrjd> do u keep a eye on the size of snapshots
[13:02] <liuyonghao156> I have to manually destroy history snapshots every once in a while
[13:02] <liuyonghao156> They easily take hundreds of gigs on my 500GB NVMe stick
[13:03] <imrjd> yeah
[13:04] <liuyonghao156> I expected when I installed the system that it would only keep some reasonably new snapshots
[13:04] <liuyonghao156> but I later found it otherwise LOL
[13:05] <imrjd> this is why i install Ext4 this time, and avoided ZFS filesystem
[13:06] <liuyonghao156> Amazingly I don't find anyone talking about this
[13:06] <liuyonghao156> I mean, literally!
[13:07] <liuyonghao156> I can only see how a charm the zfs file system works on a ubuntu fresh installation
[13:08] <liuyonghao156> But they all skip the point how those large amount of snapshots are managed
[13:10] <tomreyn> i think the installer labels it as a development preview, doesnt it.
[13:11] <imrjd> is their a bug report filed somewhere on launchpad?
[13:11] <tomreyn> there are many bug reports files somewhere on launchpad, about very different things.
[13:11] <imrjd> this specific issue?
[13:11] <tomreyn> no idea :)
[13:12] <tomreyn> it won't be that hard to find out, though, if you want it enough.
[13:12] <imrjd> oke
[13:13] <tomreyn> did http://www.fastly-debug.com/ seem to work the way it seems to be meant to work for any of you?
[13:13] <tomreyn> i only get to the point where it says "Collecting data please w2ait" and spins the wheels
[13:14] <tomreyn> even after minutes, even with a new browser profile
[13:22] <imrjd> i avoid snaps at all cost
[13:24] <lotuspsychje> you said you installed vlc
[13:24] <imrjd> deb package
[13:24] <imrjd> :)
[13:24] <lotuspsychje> did you cancel the snap
[13:25] <imrjd> i uninstalled it later on
[13:26] <lotuspsychje> so you are curious at snaps eh :p
[13:26] <imrjd> the command i copies from webiste specified snaps
[13:26] <imrjd> sudo snap install vlc
[13:34] <lotuspsychje> sudo snap remove vlc 5sec :p
[13:34] <imrjd> did just that :)
[13:34] <imrjd> snap as a concept is very good i like it but performance and making others use it not cool
[13:35] <lotuspsychje> we cant generalize that imrjd
[13:35] <imrjd> maybe
[13:35] <lotuspsychje> snaps have different maintainers
[13:35] <imrjd> yes
[13:35] <lotuspsychje> they dont all work the same
[13:35] <imrjd> today i installed a outrun classic game as a snap
[13:36] <imrjd> cannonball snap from martimwimpress
[13:36] <lotuspsychje> and?
[13:36] <imrjd> initial launch took time
[13:36] <imrjd> then its ok
[13:36] <imrjd> i like the game brings young memories
[13:37] <lotuspsychje> the car race game outrun?
[13:37] <imrjd> yes
[13:37] <imrjd> https://snapcraft.io/cannonball
[13:37] <imrjd> it downloaded core20 first
[13:38] <lotuspsychje> thats cool
[13:38] <lotuspsychje> but thats the opposite of your statement; <imrjd> i avoid snaps at all cost
[13:44] <imrjd> yes and maybe legal issue also as the game downloads a ROM
[13:49] <imrjd> sadly sometimes the pill is bitter but you have to swallow it
[14:01] <imrjd> but hey i am njoying the ganme :)
[14:04] <imrjd> brb
[14:34] <longxia> This article (https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/03/psa-linux-folks-stay-away-from-the-5-12-rc1-kernel/) mentions ubuntu using a swap file but all of my installs use a swap partition (LTS server and DE). Is this a recent change? Or is the article wrong?
[14:37] <jeremy31> longxia: Ubuntu will install with a swap partition if one already exists
[14:38] <longxia> I know it's about an RC release. I was just wondering if a swap file has become a default during install, or maybe I subconsciously always choose a swap partition.
[14:38] <longxia> jeremy31: I mean clean installs.
[14:38] <longxia> I do mostly use LVM. Maybe that defaults to using a swap partition?
[14:39] <jeremy31> longxia: I fresh install on a empty drive will get a swap file, if you use an ISO to install 20.04 over a 16.04 with a swap partition, the 20.04 should use the partition rather than a file
[14:40] <jeremy31> Unless you choose to delete the partition before installing
[14:41] <jeremy31> 18.04 was the first to use a swap file
[14:43] <longxia> jeremy31: ah, thanks. Some of my Ubuntu installations were provided by a VPS hosting company so that may play a part.
[14:43] <longxia> jeremy31: Thanks!
[14:44] <longxia> they provided the image, I mean, not pre-installed.
[14:45] <jeremy31> longxia: servers might still use a partition on an empty drive, I don't know.  They don't even mention what change causes the issue with swap file
[15:24] <maxFlexGuest> Do you recommend installing Kubuntu 20.04 LTS alongside Ubuntu Studio 20.04 LTS or installing KDE Plasma with APT from within Ubuntu Studio (not Xubuntu 20.04 LTS)?
[15:26] <leftyfb> maxFlexGuest: why would you install an entirely new OS when you just want an additional DE?
[15:27] <maxFlexGuest> Does installing the KDE Plasma desktop environment automatically unlock access to Kubuntu software?
[15:27] <leftyfb> maxFlexGuest: I'm not sure. You might have to install some applications
[16:02] <maxFlexGuest> Is it true that if I am running one flavor of Ubuntu Focal Fossa, then the APT repositories will include repositories for desktop environments from other Focal Fossa flavors?
[16:03] <lotuspsychje> maxFlexGuest: tomreyn already explained you that in -studio?
[16:33] <imrjd> i want a particular screen saver ?
[16:33] <imrjd> ASCIIQuarium