[00:17] tomreyn: ptah is a troll ... that was probably their alt that you banned [00:19] leftyfb: i cannot know. how do you know they're a troll? [00:19] or what makes them (other then asking about a stone age ubuntu version) [00:20] tomreyn: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/YjKqVtVZ49/ [00:21] I've got some stuff from 2016 along the same lines ... they're part of the "efnet news" troll group. They've been trolling channels on Efnet for years [00:21] coming up with arcane questions is part of their game ... they half make it seem like they're legitimate questions [00:22] this particular one was pinging me earlier asking me if I was the same one who wouldn't play their game on EFnet earlier today. [00:22] thanks for the past chat (but io have no means to verify its the same user) - can we discuss this in #ubuntu-ops? [00:22] and CTCP'ing random people [00:22] seriously? [00:23] you know, io only gained +o on #ubuntu recently, my hopes are that someone else can identify them [00:23] but let me see the logs. [00:23] i mean i'll check them [01:34] tomreyn leftyfb https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/yWvz37Cgtr/ if it looks like a troll and acts like a troll... [03:42] good morning [07:17] good morning [09:00] to install snap version of vlc 49 mins to install deb version of vlc 3 mins [09:00] great [11:32] 49min? [11:39] are you 56k modem imrjd ? [11:42] no sir , FTH connection [11:43] how can vlc snap be 49min install [11:43] thats what it told me [11:49] :) [11:51] imrjd: https://imgur.com/a/zEHtsvP 6min [11:54] 400kb/sec kinda slow indeed, maybe their repos have a hard time atm [12:00] thats not acceptable when your life is on the line? [12:01] yeah should be going faster indeed [12:02] imrjd: feel free to file a bug; contact: https://www.videolan.org/support/ [12:02] every other distro has some issues or the other, thats why i am hanging out to ubuntu [12:07] * ogra points to https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/very-slow-download-speeds-while-installing-anything-from-the-store/7844 for debugging [12:14] i installed the latest version of Libre Office has i had installed a bare system , so when the next LTS is released do i have to remove all PPA's and its installed software [12:31] imrjd: normaly on upgrades, ubuntu disables external ppa's these days [12:38] imrjd: but its surely wise to have a rather clean system/up to date before you upgrade/ltsupgrade [12:41] yeah can't wait for the next release that's in 2022 [12:43] imrjd: wayland by default probably [12:43] as they are testing it on non-lts atm [12:43] wayland will be enabled much earlier [12:44] yeah next non lts will have it/test it [12:44] :) hope nvidia get their act together and enable support for wayland [12:45] there's been some work on that too [12:45] there was a wiki about nvidia/wayland workaround [12:45] yeah [12:46] what do u think of wayland [12:48] its been a while since i tested it [12:49] does current 20.4 rele4ase has it?> [12:49] yeah [12:49] choosable @ gdm [12:49] ok [12:50] maybe i should switch to wayland and see the bugs around to help [12:50] what version are you on [12:50] 20.04 [12:51] okie [12:51] u like to stay on LTS releases [12:51] im an LTS debugger [12:51] yeah [12:51] i need it for my customers [12:52] like ? customers [12:53] i got a small business selling clevo's with ubuntu/ssd's [12:53] but also upgrades/second lifes of all brands [12:53] are you based from germany [12:54] belgium [12:54] ok [12:54] I upgraded my study rig to 20.10 this morning, only to find so many packages deprecated. [12:54] For the first time I felt the zfs implementation so useful [12:55] liuyonghao156: what kind of packages [12:55] so you switched to pervious snap shot? [12:55] gvfs-bin [12:57] imrjd: Definitely. I rolled right back after discovering that the cloud service that drives my day was removed, which explicitly depends on gvfs-bin [13:00] To be more specific, I use Nutstore, a Chinese based cloud service provider. The only thing that works both on Linux and in mainland China. [13:01] ok [13:01] By the way, I don't think the zfs implementation would automatically clean up. [13:02] do u keep a eye on the size of snapshots [13:02] I have to manually destroy history snapshots every once in a while [13:02] They easily take hundreds of gigs on my 500GB NVMe stick [13:03] yeah [13:04] I expected when I installed the system that it would only keep some reasonably new snapshots [13:04] but I later found it otherwise LOL [13:05] this is why i install Ext4 this time, and avoided ZFS filesystem [13:06] Amazingly I don't find anyone talking about this [13:06] I mean, literally! [13:07] I can only see how a charm the zfs file system works on a ubuntu fresh installation [13:08] But they all skip the point how those large amount of snapshots are managed [13:10] i think the installer labels it as a development preview, doesnt it. [13:11] is their a bug report filed somewhere on launchpad? [13:11] there are many bug reports files somewhere on launchpad, about very different things. [13:11] this specific issue? [13:11] no idea :) [13:12] it won't be that hard to find out, though, if you want it enough. [13:12] oke [13:13] did http://www.fastly-debug.com/ seem to work the way it seems to be meant to work for any of you? [13:13] i only get to the point where it says "Collecting data please w2ait" and spins the wheels [13:14] even after minutes, even with a new browser profile [13:22] i avoid snaps at all cost [13:24] you said you installed vlc [13:24] deb package [13:24] :) [13:24] did you cancel the snap [13:25] i uninstalled it later on [13:26] so you are curious at snaps eh :p [13:26] the command i copies from webiste specified snaps [13:26] sudo snap install vlc [13:34] sudo snap remove vlc 5sec :p [13:34] did just that :) [13:34] snap as a concept is very good i like it but performance and making others use it not cool [13:35] we cant generalize that imrjd [13:35] maybe [13:35] snaps have different maintainers [13:35] yes [13:35] they dont all work the same [13:35] today i installed a outrun classic game as a snap [13:36] cannonball snap from martimwimpress [13:36] and? [13:36] initial launch took time [13:36] then its ok [13:36] i like the game brings young memories [13:37] the car race game outrun? [13:37] yes [13:37] https://snapcraft.io/cannonball [13:37] it downloaded core20 first [13:38] thats cool [13:38] but thats the opposite of your statement; i avoid snaps at all cost [13:44] yes and maybe legal issue also as the game downloads a ROM [13:49] sadly sometimes the pill is bitter but you have to swallow it [14:01] but hey i am njoying the ganme :) [14:04] brb [14:34] This article (https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/03/psa-linux-folks-stay-away-from-the-5-12-rc1-kernel/) mentions ubuntu using a swap file but all of my installs use a swap partition (LTS server and DE). Is this a recent change? Or is the article wrong? [14:37] longxia: Ubuntu will install with a swap partition if one already exists [14:38] I know it's about an RC release. I was just wondering if a swap file has become a default during install, or maybe I subconsciously always choose a swap partition. [14:38] jeremy31: I mean clean installs. [14:38] I do mostly use LVM. Maybe that defaults to using a swap partition? [14:39] longxia: I fresh install on a empty drive will get a swap file, if you use an ISO to install 20.04 over a 16.04 with a swap partition, the 20.04 should use the partition rather than a file [14:40] Unless you choose to delete the partition before installing [14:41] 18.04 was the first to use a swap file [14:43] jeremy31: ah, thanks. Some of my Ubuntu installations were provided by a VPS hosting company so that may play a part. [14:43] jeremy31: Thanks! [14:44] they provided the image, I mean, not pre-installed. [14:45] longxia: servers might still use a partition on an empty drive, I don't know. They don't even mention what change causes the issue with swap file [15:24] Do you recommend installing Kubuntu 20.04 LTS alongside Ubuntu Studio 20.04 LTS or installing KDE Plasma with APT from within Ubuntu Studio (not Xubuntu 20.04 LTS)? [15:26] maxFlexGuest: why would you install an entirely new OS when you just want an additional DE? [15:27] Does installing the KDE Plasma desktop environment automatically unlock access to Kubuntu software? [15:27] maxFlexGuest: I'm not sure. You might have to install some applications [16:02] Is it true that if I am running one flavor of Ubuntu Focal Fossa, then the APT repositories will include repositories for desktop environments from other Focal Fossa flavors? [16:03] maxFlexGuest: tomreyn already explained you that in -studio? [16:33] i want a particular screen saver ? [16:33] ASCIIQuarium