[00:02] <ptah> tomreyn, you just banned him, why did you remove it?
[00:02] <Sonderblade> sarnold: thanks though it doesn't explain how to disable the ttys
[00:03] <tomreyn> ptah: we can discuss ops actions in #ubuntu-ops
[00:04] <ptah> ok ok
[00:04] <ptah> nm
[00:04] <sarnold> Sonderblade: you'll have to do some systemctl list-units kinds of things to find out which service is starting the getty -- maybe it'll be a serial-getty@ unit, maybe something else, but once you find the name of the unit, then you can systemctl disable whatever unit it is
[00:05] <Sonderblade> sarnold: i think it's the kernel cmdline console=tty1 console=ttyS0
[00:06] <sarnold> Sonderblade: aha yeah if you've got that set up, that's quite likely
[00:32] <elencosmp> Hi. My system is unresponsive and I think it's swapped out even the desktop environment. I know the kernel has something called OOM. When the hell does it kick in?
[00:32] <elencosmp> Or is there a way to force it to kick in?
[00:32] <elencosmp> Can't even use the mouse or keyboard atm.
[00:33] <liowenex> elencosmp, reset button
[00:33] <liowenex> You're out of memory
[00:33] <liowenex> It's not going to recover unless you like waiting 72 hours
[00:33] <elencosmp> I can't afford to reset or will lose work.
[00:33] <elencosmp> Oom takes that long to kill the process?
[00:34] <liowenex> I don't know to be honest
[00:34] <liowenex> But if the kernel has out of memory, your work is in trouble
[00:34] <liowenex> Do you have any swap elencosmp?
[00:35] <elencosmp> Sure. But i don't want it to swap anything, I want it to kill the offender. This is supposedly its purpose.
[01:27] <sebsebseb> hi
[01:45] <Peasant65> Hey! Could someone help me out? What is the command to start the graphic installer from a live usb ?
[01:50] <tomreyn> Peasant65: for desktops, the installer software is called ubiquity
[01:50] <tomreyn> but that' snot how you  do it.
[01:54] <pyeverything> could someone please help me with this https://askubuntu.com/questions/1321478/installing-cuda-11-1-on-ubuntu-20-04-for-nvidia-geforce-1650-ti-notebook
[01:56] <sarnold> what's in that log file?
[01:57] <guiverc> pyeverything, you just asked that question, why not give people time to read & answer it on askubu?
[01:59] <pyeverything> I ask it so I could document what I was going to say so I could get real-time help here guiverc
[01:59] <pyeverything> which log file sarnold
[02:00] <guiverc> :) fair enough
[02:00] <pyeverything> have spent the past 3 hrs pulling my hair with this
[02:00] <sarnold> pyeverything: /var/log/nvidia-installer.log
[02:00] <guiverc> pyeverything, I assume sarnold meant "nvidia-installer log file '/var/log/nvidia-installer.log"
[02:01] <guiverc> or was the paste the actual log file
[02:04] <pyeverything> I had cat /var/log/nvidia-installer.log in the end of link https://askubuntu.com/questions/1321478/installing-cuda-11-1-on-ubuntu-20-04-for-nvidia-geforce-1650-ti-notebook
[02:04] <pyeverything> if you click on https://askubuntu.com/questions/1321478/installing-cuda-11-1-on-ubuntu-20-04-for-nvidia-geforce-1650-ti-notebook and scroll to the end you see the log sarnold gu
[02:05] <guiverc> pyeverything, the end of your "pasted" output in the askubu question says to refer to the file I pasted..   that stood out to me & I suspec it's what sarnold asked about
[02:07] <guiverc> it's possible the message was written to go to screen, plus also output in logfile
[02:08] <pyeverything> sarnold: guiverc that is literally what you get when you cat /var/log/nvidia-installer.log
[02:08] <guiverc> yep. sorry I have no experience with cuda
[02:09] <guiverc> & sorry sarnold, I didn't notice your reply.. apologies for overstepping
[02:12] <pyeverything> so what should I do sarnold ?
[02:13] <sarnold> pyeverything: oh, that *was* the log? heh I thought that was output from something else, since it recommended to view that file to see the error messages :)
[02:14] <sarnold> pyeverything: maybe try rmmod nvidia-drm then re-try the install script?
[02:17] <pyeverything> rmmod: ERROR: Module nvidia_drm is in use
[02:38] <bobdobbs> If I update system python on 20.04, will it break bits of my system?
[02:43] <sarnold> bobdobbs: yup
[02:53] <leftyfb> bobdobbs: not if you just update python from the official ubuntu repo's using apt-get upgrade
[03:09] <bobdobbs> well dang.
[03:09] <bobdobbs> It seems that the version of pastebinit which ships in the official repos (and appears to be installed by default) is incompatible with the default install of python
[03:11] <sarnold> hmm I thought that got fixed somewhere along the way
[03:12] <bobdobbs> I'm gonna try and find the source, put it in an opt subdir, and give it it's own local environment that includes the python it needs
[03:13] <krytarik> Rather than trying and fixing pastebinit? :o
[03:13] <krytarik> And I'd be curious about the errors you got.
[03:13] <bobdobbs> krytarik: I don't think pastebin is broken
[03:14] <bobdobbs> The error is that it is in an incompatible environment. The easiest way to fix the environment is to pretty much break my system in unpredictable ways
[03:14] <bobdobbs> The next best solution is to give it its own environment
[03:14] <bobdobbs> but I'm having trouble finding source for it
[03:15] <bobdobbs> very secret source
[03:15] <bobdobbs> ah, found it
[03:15] <sarnold> bobdobbs: wfm https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/xYqF3MdHpP/
[03:16] <sarnold> bobdobbs: and of course it was pasted with pastebinit because omg copy and pasting by hand is just the worst
[03:18] <bobdobbs> interesting
[03:18] <bobdobbs> what version of python are you running?
[03:18] <bobdobbs> by default, I mean?
[03:20] <van777> you can also ... echo 'smth'|nc termbin.com 9999
[03:22] <bobdobbs> van777: huh! that's cool
[03:22] <bobdobbs> this solves my root problem!
[03:22] <van777> ;)
[03:23] <bobdobbs> thanks van777 and sarnold
[03:31] <sarnold> bobdobbs: python3-minimal 3.8.2-0ubuntu2
[05:57] <kill-animals> Hey, say I create a hardlink to a file
[05:57] <kill-animals> I delete the file, and the hardlink remains.
[05:58] <kill-animals> Will the hardlink always remain valid? Or can that inode now be overwritten at some point?
[07:21] <ducasse> kill-animals: the hardlink is like a copy where only one copy takes up space, that's why they can't cross filesystems
[07:23] <viktor_> disregard, test for some new settings
[08:02] <unixbsd_> does Steam with roblox works on ubuntu groovy? https://roblox.fandom.com/wiki/Roblox_on_Linux
[08:03] <liowenex> unixbsd_, Please wait
[08:03] <liowenex> But I know  Steam works on Ubuntu*
[08:04] <liowenex> unixbsd_, Roblox does not work in Wine right now, no
[08:04] <liowenex> Seems Roblox servers have anti-cheat which kicks you off if you run on Linux
[08:04] <unixbsd_> really, they are mean
[08:05] <unixbsd_> let's all of us buy apple and run apple os  ;)  (no kidding)
[08:05] <liowenex> Apple's Mac OS is not bad at all
[08:05] <liowenex> it's actually a hell of a lot more secure than Linux is
[08:05] <imrjd> that won't solve the issue of anti cheats not allowing games to run on linux which can run on linux thru proton
[08:05] <liowenex> But join #ubuntu-offtopic to discuss that with me
[08:06] <unixbsd_> just garbage, yeah, it is a closed source... all your life reinventing the wheel and wasting learning time?
[08:06] <unixbsd_> if it is not openbsource, it is a just a pure 100 pct waste of time, money and wasting our planet with energy limitations.
[08:07] <ducasse> unixbsd_: try #gamingonlinux
[08:08] <liowenex> I insist #ubuntu-offtopic
[09:02] <imrjd> to install snap version of vlc 49 mins to install deb version of vlc 3 mins
[09:04] <rory> Yeah just use apt until you can't any more
[09:04] <imrjd> but why its taking 49 mins to download snap version
[09:05] <rory> idk, mine always just hangs forever
[09:05] <rory> I don't know who uses snaps
[09:06] <imrjd> at least we don't have to deal with this on Windows
[09:06] <imrjd> pick a file install it and run it
[09:07] <rory> you have to track down the file though, the concept of a package manager is great, but apt already existed and worked great
[09:07] <rory> lots of "Not Invented Here" in Canonical land
[09:08] <imrjd> yeah exactly
[09:08] <imrjd> good i remembered the apt command and synaptic is still alive
[09:30] <imrjd> i love ubuntu but the deep core integration of snaps is causing me great painnnn
[09:41] <dslegends> correct place to ask a question about ubuntu 20.04, parallels and macbook pro?  Basically I have 3 27" monitors, and when I use ubuntu, only the primary display is useful.  The other two black out (not sleep).  But I can't move windows/workspaces to the other two monitors.  installed gnome tweak, enable the option for "workspace span displays"... I must still be doing something wrong.
[09:46] <EriC^^> dslegends: do they show up in 'xrandr -q' output?
[09:50] <dslegends> result shows Screen 0, with res of 3840 x 2160, and Virtual 1 connected primary showing various resolutions, then virtual 2-6 as disconnected.
[10:55] <unixbsd_> a little question, to play doom eternal on ubuntu, you need to use WineHQ or steam? it seems that it works with wine :  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRX9wAd7v6Q
[12:11] <Hash> Hi. Is it possible to downgrade virtualbox on 20.04 from 6.1 to 6.0
[12:11] <Hash> ?
[12:13] <lotuspsychje> Hash: downgrading and mixing packages on an ubuntu release is not reccomended
[12:14] <lotuspsychje> Hash: reccomended always keeping your system and packages up to date
[12:14] <rory> It's possible if you uninstall the version from apt and download the deb from here https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Download_Old_Builds_6_0
[12:14] <rory> What's up with 6.1 that makes you want to use 6.0, maybe we can help?
[12:15] <StupidDanbo> how do I find out why my desktop froze? I checked /var/log/syslog and kern.log but found nothing around the time it froze.
[12:15] <Hash> removal a feature that you can put back in
[12:16] <Hash> rory: then it doesn't bulid the module
[12:16] <lotuspsychje> StupidDanbo: check your journal logs instead of syslog, see also if you have something in /var/crash
[12:16] <Hash> I did remove vbox 6.1 and install the 6.0 deb, but when launching the vm, it says no kernel modules build, mismatch
[12:16] <hansh> after switching A PCIE GPU, network card enp6s0 changed name to enp5s0 and broke netplan, wtf?
[12:17] <hansh> what does GPUs have to do with naming of network devices?
[12:17] <Hash> Which version of ubuntu had 6.0 last
[12:17] <Hash> May I can use that repo and pin only vbox packages
[12:19] <lotuspsychje> !msgthebot | Hash !info virtualbox ubuntu-codename
[12:19] <StupidDanbo> lotuspsychje, how do I view the journal logs?
[12:19] <lotuspsychje> StupidDanbo: journalctl -f in realtime
[12:20] <StupidDanbo> hm. there is no journalctl. unable to locate package to install either.
[12:20] <lotuspsychje> StupidDanbo: are you on an ubuntu derivative?
[12:21] <StupidDanbo> Yes, I am in Xubuntu
[12:22] <tomreyn> StupidDanbo: which release is this?
[12:22] <StupidDanbo> I don't know
[12:23] <StupidDanbo> !msgthebot
[12:23] <StupidDanbo> lotuspsychje, Yes, I am using Xubuntu.
[12:24] <lotuspsychje> lsb_release -a in your terminal to see your release
[12:25] <StupidDanbo> 20.04
[12:26] <tomreyn> StupidDanbo: then journalctl should be present
[12:27] <StupidDanbo> oh. I typed it with a capital J. :(
[12:30] <StupidDanbo> it's only showing recent stuff, and it froze an hour ago
[12:30] <lotuspsychje> StupidDanbo: did it froze previous boot too?
[12:31] <StupidDanbo> lotuspsychje, I had to reboot after it froze.
[12:31] <tomreyn> StupidDanbo: if it froze before you rebooted, run   journalctl -eb -1
[12:31] <swensson> Quick question... I have a mydomain.com, but I want my mailserver to be on a different server with the same mydomain.com. Is this possible?
[12:31] <lotuspsychje> tomreyn: whats the -e flag do?
[12:31] <tomreyn> that brings you to the end of the log that was recorded before the latest reboot
[12:32] <lotuspsychje> ah
[12:32] <StupidDanbo> tomreyn, it only goes to 6:25, and it crashed at 6:34.
[12:32] <tomreyn> StupidDanbo: did your disk run full by chance?
[12:33] <StupidDanbo> tomreyn, no idea. I don't know why it would, but then again once long ago some log files went insane with errors and it crashed from that I think.
[12:34] <matsaman> swensson: should be configurable
[12:34] <tomreyn> StupidDanbo: do    df -h    or   df -hi   list any percentage close to 100% in the Use% / IUse%  columns?
[12:36] <StupidDanbo> tomreyn, /dev/loop0 to 6 are 100% /snap/ stuff. my root folder is 83% of 108G
[12:36] <tomreyn> StupidDanbo: okay, that's all fine
[12:36] <tomreyn> i don't think we'll find out what went wrong
[12:37] <tomreyn> you can try rebooting with magic sysrq next time this happens, this can help preserve logs
[12:37] <StupidDanbo> hm. one of those /dev/loop 100% /snap/ folders is chromium which stopped working, but I also see gnome and core18.
[12:37] <tomreyn> !sysrq
[12:37] <StupidDanbo> how can I reboot if my keyboard and mouse stop responding?
[12:38] <StupidDanbo> I hit the reset button on my case.
[12:38] <tomreyn> the system will often still respond to these special key stokes
[12:38] <tomreyn> but those only
[12:38] <StupidDanbo> oh.
[12:38] <matsaman> your case has a dedicated reset button? Neat
[12:39] <swensson> matsaman, but I need a A-Record for the mailsetup and the Arecord is pointing to my mydomain.com
[12:40] <matsaman> mx record?
[12:42] <StupidDanbo> I should type S U B instead of REISUB like that wikipedia article says?
[12:43] <swensson> matsaman yeah but Im unable to add any IP on the MX Record ... I might be doing this wrong
[12:49] <tomreyn> StupidDanbo: yes
[12:51] <StupidDanbo> alright. I guess I'll try it next time. I feel like this only happens every few months.
[12:51] <tomreyn> swensson: an MX record points to a hostname, a hostnamecan have an A or AAAA record pointing to an IP address
[12:51] <StupidDanbo> thanks.
[13:21] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[13:22] <matsaman> hi
[13:29] <ltl2> hi
[14:06] <OERIAS> Hi folks I currently have an issue with ubuntu 20.10 where I can't install synpatic
[14:06] <OERIAS> the terminal spits out:
[14:07] <jeremy31> No package named synpatic
[14:08] <lotus|NUC> lol
[14:08] <OERIAS> synaptic
[14:08] <rory> "sudo apt install synaptic" check the spelling :)
[14:08] <OERIAS> i did
[14:08] <OERIAS> I spelled it wrong here.
[14:08] <Gladwyn> Check it again!
[14:08] <rory> What does the terminal spit out?
[14:09] <OERIAS> that I have broken packages.
[14:09] <rory> try running "sudo apt-get -f install" with no other arguments, this could fix the broken packages
[14:09] <OERIAS> I ran that
[14:10] <OERIAS> let me produce the last line
[14:10] <rory> Can you share the full output on https://paste.ubuntu.com please?
[14:11] <OERIAS> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/rRWpFkshRb/
[14:13] <rory> do this: sudo killall synaptic; sudo killall -9 synaptic
[14:14] <rory> you seem to already have synaptic installed though, considering it's running !
[14:14] <rory> If you are sure synaptic is not actually running, you can safely delete that lock file: sudo rm /var/lib/dpkg/lock-frontend
[14:19] <OERIAS> so now I have libmutter, libegl, and xserveer-xorg issues
[14:21] <rory> OERIAS, there might be some background context you could share that would help me fix your problem
[14:21] <rory> OERIAS, what were you trying to do overall when you first hit an issue?
[14:24] <OERIAS> I was installing a set of updates
[14:24] <OERIAS> and I encountered these issues
[14:24] <OERIAS> on a fresh install
[14:24] <lotuspsychje> are you logged into wayland OERIAS ?
[14:28] <OERIAS> lotuspsychje no
[14:28] <OERIAS> what terminal has been giving me: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/4PpSXPr2y2/
[14:29] <longxia> This article (https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/03/psa-linux-folks-stay-away-from-the-5-12-rc1-kernel/) mentions ubuntu using a swap file but all of my installs use a swap partition (LTS server and DE). Is this a recent change?
[14:29] <longxia> Or are they wrong?
[14:31] <jeremy31> longxia: That only involves one kernel, a release candidate at that
[14:31] <longxia> jeremy31: yes, i read that. My question is purely about the swap file.
[14:32] <jeremy31> longxia: try #ubuntu-discuss
[14:32] <longxia> ok
[14:34] <longxia> This article (https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/03/psa-linux-folks-stay-away-from-the-5-12-rc1-kernel/) mentions ubuntu using a swap file but all of my installs use a swap partition (LTS server and DE). Is this a recent change? Or is the article wrong?
[14:34] <longxia> oops
[14:55] <angryjenkins> desktop has been on Ubuntu 20.04 since launch, is it time to distro hop?
[14:57] <tomreyn> angryjenkins: if it's a support question, can you rephrase this?
[14:59] <OERIAS> going to reinstall libgbm1
[14:59] <OERIAS> xserver-xorg-core
[14:59] <OERIAS> libegl-mesa0
[14:59] <OERIAS> libmutter-7-0
[14:59] <OERIAS> ^ these dependencies have been giving me issues
[15:00] <lotuspsychje> share in a pastebin please OERIAS so volunteers can help you better
[15:01] <OERIAS> lotuspsychje I have tried to do that earlier
[15:02] <OERIAS> all i keep getting is other types of remarks
[15:02] <OERIAS> which were not asked for...
[15:02] <lotuspsychje> attach your paste again, when rephrase/re-ask please
[15:03] <OERIAS> I will paste again. But any remarks like the ones I have seen will be called out.
[15:04] <tomreyn> your issue will be related to mixing incompatbile apt repositories, or using supposedly compatible but badly managed third party apt repositories, or manually downloading and installoing .deb packages. as it's been several times before.
[15:04] <tomreyn> "Hit:1 https://ocean.surfshark.com/debian stretch InRelease" is from your previous paste
[15:05] <tomreyn> "stretch" is a debian release codename.
[15:05] <OERIAS> surfshark has work on this version of ubuntu
[15:07] <tomreyn> it may have happened to work at some point - this doesn't mean just configuring this repository and installing upgrades will not break your system.
[15:07] <pcatinean> Hello everyone, I'm following this article to make a full-disk encryption on ubuntu https://www.cyberciti.biz/security/howto-linux-hard-disk-encryption-with-luks-cryptsetup-command/. I have booted from a usb-stick and ran the commands to encrypt my nvme ssd drive from there
[15:07] <pcatinean> The article goes on to do the zero write on the drive with dd/dev/zero /dev/mapper/drive, is this step neccesairy? And once it is done how do I proceed with the normal installation?
[15:10] <tomreyn> pcatinean: zeroing the luks encrpyted device is not required. it is recommended (but YMMV).
[15:10] <pcatinean> I think it might be overkill anyway, used blkdiscard instead
[15:11] <pcatinean> so now that the encryption is done and I ran blkdiscard I try to install ubuntu as one normally would?
[15:12] <maxFlexGuest> I am having problems logging in with Ubuntu Studio.
[15:12] <maxFlexGuest> The Ubuntu Studio password entry won't let me log in, even if I type the correct password. This same password will work when I am using the sudo command within the Terminal (Ubuntu Studio).
[15:12] <tomreyn> pcatinean: if your goal is to install ubuntu with (almost) full disk encryption, then just use the normal installer and select its full disk encryption option
[15:13] <maxFlexGuest> I am trying to log out and back in to switch between the Xfce and KDE Plasma desktop environments on my Focal Fossa computer.
[15:13] <lotuspsychje> OERIAS: what we advice here on ubuntu, is revert your system to ubuntu vanilla !sources with !ppapurge to straight up apt issues
[15:13] <pcatinean> tomreyn, yes but that will not use full-disk encryption with luks right?
[15:14] <tomreyn> pcatinean: it will
[15:14] <maxFlexGuest> However, KDE Plasma is not showing up.
[15:14] <maxFlexGuest> My QEMU virtual machine is failing to connect to Wi-Fi. Any advice with how to install KDE Plasma with the APT command (all lowercase, though)?
[15:14] <tomreyn> maxFlexGuest: there is #ubuntustudio for flavor specific questions (i'm not sure these are)
[15:16] <tomreyn> I don't think any Ubuntu flavour supports KDE Plasma at this time
[15:17] <pcatinean> tomreyn, then I don't understand the difference between standard ubuntu encryption and the luks version. Security team recommended to do full disk encryption with dm-crypt and luks
[15:22] <tomreyn> pcatinean: did they say "the full disk encryption option of the installer does not use dmcrypt / LUKS"?
[15:22] <tomreyn> pcatinean: if not, what makes you think it doesn't?
[15:23] <pcatinean> no they just mentioned: Encrypt the local storage of your computer (Mac: FileVault2, Windows: BitLocker, Linux: dm-crypt with LUKS).
[15:24] <tomreyn> pcatinean: so, since that's what the installer uses, use the installer.
[15:24] <pcatinean> oh, then less hassle for me, problem is. I swear I don't see the option in the installer...
[15:24] <tomreyn> pcatinean: you can do ti all manually, if you prefer, but it's not really needed.
[15:24] <pcatinean> tomreyn, I have no such fetish :)
[15:24] <tomreyn> i think newer release installers "hide" it behind an "advanced options" or similar setting
[15:25] <pcatinean> ah ok, hmm why would they do that lol :)
[15:25] <tomreyn> for desktops anyways
[15:25] <tomreyn> FDE complicates matters, too much for some users.
[15:26] <tomreyn> here's a good guide if you want a more manual installation where you can customize things more https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Full_Disk_Encryption_Howto_2019
[15:27] <pcatinean> Naah I thought that using LUKS encryption with dm-crypt required manual intervention as the standard ubuntu one might be different
[15:27] <pcatinean> But if it's handled by the installer no need for all the fuss
[15:27] <tomreyn> also, this lets you also encrypt /boot
[15:27] <JonyPooh> Ok, this feels like a dumb question, but I'm trying to setup an app to launch obs for me, but it wants a path to the obs app. I can type obs in the terminal and it launches, how do I find the path to that app?
[15:28] <tomreyn> JonyPooh: which obs
[15:28] <tomreyn> that'S a comman, not a question i'm asking
[15:28] <tomreyn> *command
[15:29] <JonyPooh> Open Broadcasting Studio
[15:29] <JonyPooh> wait, duh, whereis obs
[15:29] <JonyPooh> that worked
[15:29] <JonyPooh> and in /usr/bin/
[15:30] <JonyPooh> I knew that was a dumb question
[15:30] <pcatinean> you can also use the `which` command with the name of the app and it will print the path
[15:30] <tomreyn> which is information i tried to convey earlier. ;-)
[15:31] <pcatinean> ah right, haha, I guess both of us read "which obs are you refering to?" XD
[15:31] <pcatinean> tomreyn, it seems this forces you to use LVM for installation in order to do the encryption?
[15:32] <tomreyn> pcatinean: that's correct, for the desktop installer (not sure about the server installer)
[15:35] <pcatinean> I'm on the desktop installer, curious why it uses lvm for the encrypted version otherwise normal partitioning
[15:35] <tomreyn> pcatinean: without lvm (or an alternative to it) you could only have a single file system inside the dmcrypt / luks crypto container. i.e. you'd need to have multiple such containers for multiple encrypted file systems.
[15:36] <pcatinean> I assume you were writing that already otherwise it was a crazy fast answer haha
[15:36] <tomreyn> each crypto container will have its separate master key and passphrases
[15:36] <tomreyn> yes, i can think ahead sometimes. ;-)
[15:38] <pcatinean> I'm not very familiar with the terminology and whenever I think of containers I think of docker container mostly
[15:39] <pcatinean> And do I need multiple filesystems? there's one for root and one for my home folder? I'm not sure how that works
[15:40] <tomreyn> you can actually get away with just encrypted / (the rot file system) and unencrypted /boot (or even all of those encrypted)
[15:41] <tomreyn> neither of these configurations are supported by the desktop installer out of the box
[15:42] <tomreyn> you may also need a (non-encrypted) ESP if you're UEFI booting off the same storage media
[15:50] <pcatinean> ah yeah wow, didn't think of that
[16:22] <JonyPooh> I'm running Ubuntu Studio 20.10, trying to install a .deb file, its being prevented by dependecy problems with libnode64 and libicu66, can anyone help me with this?
[16:25] <lotuspsychje> JonyPooh: wich .deb software are you trying to install exactly? can you also pastebin the errors apt is giving you, so volunteers can think along with you?
[16:29] <JonyPooh> lotuspsychje: thanks for responding. I'm trying to install Deckboard. I tried the snap but it likes to add .exe to application paths. Heres the pastebin.. https://pastebin.com/su0WmC8A
[16:30] <JonyPooh>  It looks like it wants older versions of libnode-dev and libicu-dev
[16:33] <JonyPooh> lotuspsychje: Deckboard https://github.com/rivafarabi/deckboard/releases
[16:34] <ioria> JonyPooh, and why don't you use the appimage (if you don't like snap) ?
[16:34] <JonyPooh> They have .tar.gz release too, but I coulnt figure our what to do with that.
[16:34] <JonyPooh> ioria: I tried the appimage, says I need Fuse, but I have Fuse
[16:45] <ioria> JonyPooh, looks like only the beta snap ver it's working ... afaict
[17:00] <PolitikerNEU> Hi everyone, is it possible to disable half of a monitor in a dual-monitor configuration? Alternatively, I would like to position a screen so that it e.g. overlaps the second screen for a bit. I am on Ubuntu 20.04
[17:01] <shibboleth> you basically want one monitor to... have half the vertical or horisontal resolution?
[17:02] <JonyPooh> ioria: the beta snap has an issue that it adds .exe to command paths, but I guess I could just make a symlink
[17:04] <PolitikerNEU> half the horizontal resulution, yes. But it shouldn't be spread over the whole monitor, but like the left part should be display, the right part black. The reason is that I used to have two monitors which fit next to each other, but now there is also a notebook there taking space, making one of the screens "behind" the other for like half the
[17:04] <PolitikerNEU> screen
[17:06] <nunya> When I boot my computer I have to log in with terminal and then later gdm opens and I have to log in again? Anyone know how to get rid of that first terminal log in?
[17:10] <tomreyn> nunya: which ubuntu release are you running, which ubuntu flavour? have you made relevant customizations which could have caused this? when did this first happen, or was it happening right after you first installed?
[17:18] <nunya> <omreyn: 20.04 Just started recently. Was messing around with Stacer and also made a directory and file as suggested  at https://www.reddit.com/r/archlinux/comments/36fqzh/updatedbservice_and_mandbservice_increases_boot/
[17:21] <nunya> tomreyn:  20.04 Just started recently. Was messing around with Stacer and also made a directory and file as suggested  at https://www.reddit.com/r/archlinux/comments/36fqzh/updatedbservice_and_mandbservice_increases_boot/ have since deleted the file and directory but evidently it changed something in the way computer boots command in the file were [Timer]
[17:21] <nunya> OnCalender=
[17:21] <nunya> OnCalendar=13:00
[17:21] <nunya> OnBootSec=120
[17:22] <nunya> Sorry about the multiple lines will pastebin next time
[17:24] <nunya> I've seen something on google about having to login twice but that was only gdm
[17:27] <tomreyn> nunya: my guess would be on these changes you made then. try reversing them, see whether it still occurs.
[17:28] <tomreyn> deleting a systemd unit file does not necessarily remove the configured unit.
[17:33] <nunya> tomreyn: I think stacer doesn't make changes permanent. I've noticed things I have disabled reneabled the next time I boot. I think it was the conf file  /etc/systemd/system/man-db.timer.d/man-db.timer.conf that the site I mentioned above
[17:33] <PolitikerNEU> The solution to my problem was actually quite simple: use arandr instead of the default settings menu of ubuntu, and that's it
[17:35] <tomreyn> nunya: registered systemd timers:    systemctl list-timers --all
[17:36] <nunya>  tomreyn: Even though I have deleted the file and the man-db.timer.d directory I created in  /etc/systemd/system something has been reconfigured and I don't know what. Was hoping someone here might have had a similar situation with having to login through terminal and gdm
[17:36] <tomreyn> there are man pages for pretty much everything in systemd. of varying quality, but definitely better than those of sysv-rc.
[17:37] <tomreyn> i assume others may not have tried to apply a how-to written for arch linux to ubuntu
[17:38] <nunya> tomreyn: Is there a way to see recent system changes?
[17:44] <nunya> tomreyn: looks like I have a system.conf.bak in /etc/systemd that was created today. I will compare to system.conf to see waht differences
[17:50] <nunya> tomreyn: Everything in both files looks the same so I don't think that's it.
[18:43] <DJones> \\
[19:02] <nunya> tomreyn: It turns out if I ignore terminal login for about 20 seconds it times out, continues a few other things, eventually gets to gdm and I can login as usual. Also earlier you suggested  systemctl list-timers --all I have pasted results at https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/VNXQQh6GBf/  Since the file I created at then deleted dealt with mandb and timer I'm guessing that's what I need to deal with. Any suggestions?
[19:08] <shibboleth> xenial eol is this april, right?
[19:09] <shibboleth> and bionic, is it ten years or five?
[19:10] <coconut> !eol | shibboleth
[19:11] <shibboleth> yeah, my confusion is not about the terminology
[19:11] <raccoon_dog> I think the point was those links, where it may give you the figures you asked for (since you asked if it was ten or five years.)
[19:12] <kk4ewt> https://ubuntu.com/about/release-cycle
[19:12] <coconut> shibboleth,  2023-04  for bionic, and xenial is correct
[19:13] <shibboleth> yeah, it says five but there's alto the shuttleworth announcement that it's ten?
[19:13] <shibboleth> also
[19:13] <shibboleth> or is it five+five esm?
[19:13] <coconut> shibboleth, every ubuntu desktop version is different
[19:14] <coconut> with ubuntu the longest, rest shorter
[19:14] <shibboleth> seems like it has been five since at least 1204?
[19:14] <coconut> here -> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOL
[19:14] <shibboleth> bionic seemed to be the exception, according to shuttleworth, but ob docs say five
[19:15] <shibboleth> also also: what's the point of five years of lts if 99% of libs/deps are "universe, wontfix"?
[19:17] <shibboleth> i get that there are *a lot* of libs and deps, but... not bothering with major things like vlc/libvlc and gnome isn't good
[19:17] <shibboleth> there has been a local root in xenial gnome for close to three years now
[19:21] <kk4ewt> shibboleth, if you buy esm its ten
[19:22] <Maik> shibboleth: 3 years extra with ESM as user up to 3 machines
[19:22] <Maik> for free
[19:22] <Maik> ubuntu members get up to 50 machines iirc
[19:23] <Maik> but this belongs in #ubuntu-discuss imho
[19:33] <bl> ubuntu 18.04 does not use compiz, correct?
[19:34] <bl> and if it is the case that ubuntu 18.04 does not use compiz is there any reason to leave compiz packages installed?
[19:35] <Ubuntivity> Hello. I have a USB printer connected to computer A, and I want to print on it using computer B, which shares the same network with computer A (both have Ubuntu). How can I do that?
[19:41] <matsaman> bl: I think apt autoremove or something like that should remove things not required
[19:42] <matsaman> bl: but, I'm pretty sure normal Ubuntu's Unity still uses compiz
[19:45] <rory> Ubuntivity, Ubuntu has print server built in. Check here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NetworkPrintingWithUbuntu
[19:46] <Ubuntivity> rory: Thanks. I'll check that...
[19:46] <rory> bl, correct, and no, unless you really like the spinning cube :)
[19:46] <rory> or wobbly windows. those were the days.
[19:46] <matsaman> Ubuntivity: I feel like anything using CUPS will age the best
[19:47] <unixbsd_> salut alcidi
[19:47] <rory> ...can you get wobbly windows on modern Ubuntu?
[19:48] <matsaman> I'm sure something still maintained supports it
[19:48] <rory> Ubuntivity, matsaman, the instructions on the Ubuntu Wiki still use CUPS in the backend, it's just that Ubuntu already has a GUI built in
[19:48] <matsaman> apparently the wayland types are into something called 'wayfire'
[19:48] <matsaman> rory: yeah, it's the GUIs that change
[19:48] <rory> Ubuntivity, I would advise using the Ubuntu wiki first, and the Arch Wiki link from #ubuntu-offtopic if you need advanced configuration
[19:48] <matsaman> the CUPs webUI does not change, it's very boring & regular
[19:48] <matsaman> as are the commands
[19:48] <rory> Ubuntivity, but it sounds like your use-case is the most simple one. ubuntu to ubuntu.
[19:49] <rory> Either way, it's dead simple and the answer is CUPS.
[19:49] <Ubuntivity> rory: Thanks for the explanation. I'm going to perform the instructions on PC A and see...
[19:50] <matsaman> wayfire as a compiz replacement, for window effects, that is
[19:52] <matsaman> rory: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCU2tIaPWxgmDPx0mcOTTGdw/videos
[19:52] <matsaman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrHvk5P0gPQ
[19:52] <rory> OK I know what I'm doing tonight. Wobbly Windows on Ubuntu MATE. It will be like using Ubuntu 8.04. I might even set the heron wallpaper.
[19:53] <matsaman> heh
[19:53] <matsaman> guess it's not in-repo yet, but still installable in some fashion
[19:57] <Ubuntivity> rory: It worked! Thanks.
[19:59] <rory> \o/
[20:55] <bl> matsaman: i don't see a compiz process running, do you know how it would be using it?
[20:55] <bl> rory: thanks, is there a way to verify whether a package is needed by ubnutu?
[20:56] <bl> also sorry for disappearing
[21:27] <sabocat> I just got Ub. server 20 running. Docker is installed as a snap. How can I change the location of my containers?
[21:30] <oerheks> https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/how-to-change-docker-data-dir-folder/16662/5 easy to find
[21:31] <oerheks> just make sure the folder does not contain a '.' else it cannot be seen
[21:32] <sabocat> oerheks, you are a gangsta! Thanks
[21:32] <Maik> sabocat: be more clear about the version the next time. There's 20.04 and 20.10.... not only 20.
[21:33] <Maik> ;)
[21:33] <sabocat> Maik, got it.
[23:04] <Hash> What came before 20.04? What is the name of 19.10?
[23:04] <Hash> I need the apt reposiroty for 19.10
[23:04] <Hash> Please.
[23:04] <Hash> Eoan
[23:05] <Hash> I need to use this repository, and pin some packages priority from it. I need an older version of virtualbox. I need virtualbox 6.0 specirically, as 6.1 has a feature taken out that I need. 20.04 only has 6.1vbox. I need 6.0 vbox with kernel modules
[23:06] <Hash> Please advise, thank you
[23:06] <Hash> deb http://id.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ eoan main restricted universe multiverse
[23:06] <Hash> I put this in my soruces list.
[23:07] <Hash> Err:7 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu eoan Release
[23:07] <Hash>   404  Not Found [IP: 91.189.91.39 80]
[23:07] <Hash> Why not found?
[23:08] <jeremy31> hash, that version is EOL
[23:08] <Hash> I now
[23:08] <Hash> I know.
[23:08] <Hash> I need it anyway
[23:08] <Hash> How can I do this?
[23:08] <jeremy31> It went unsupported as of August 2020, servers are shut down
[23:08] <Hash> Oh?
[23:09] <Hash> I downloaded virtualbox 6.0 from their own website, as a deb package for 20.04
[23:09] <Hash> https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Download_Old_Builds_6_0
[23:09] <Hash> Now, I can install it, and the extension pack, but there are no kernel modules.
[23:09] <jeremy31> Hash: so why doesn't 6.0 work from virtualbox.org?
[23:10] <Hash> When I launch the vm, it says no can do, because there are no kernel modules for 6.0 version
[23:10] <jeremy31> Hash: you might need the virtualbox dkms for the same version, not sure if that is possible
[23:10] <Hash> When you install 6.1 in 20.04 it uses the dkms to generate kernel modules
[23:10] <Hash> Yes, how can I get this?
[23:11] <jeremy31> file a bug report on 6.1 to get the feature back
[23:11] <Hash> Can't
[23:11] <Hash> Oracle removed it, the pci passthrough feature.
[23:12] <Hash> Not enough customers to support it, so they took out the features so lessen the code bse.
[23:12] <Hash> vmware workstation can't do it
[23:12] <Hash> only esx
[23:12] <jeremy31> Hash: build it from source code and reverse the commit
[23:12] <Hash> So my only option now is virtualbox 6.0 or virt-manager
[23:13] <jeremy31> Hash: was the option available in virtualbox in 18.04?
[23:15] <tomreyn> just use virt-manager or gnome-boxes with qemu+kvm
[23:16] <kill-animals> what is a simple way to foobar some extended attributes onto a file?
[23:17] <tomreyn> chattr
[23:21] <Hash> tomreyn: and that virtmanager can do pci passthrough, correct?
[23:22] <tomreyn> it can instruct qemu-kvm to do so, yes.
[23:23] <tomreyn> also usb passthrough. and it's all libre software.
[23:39] <Hash> About tiem!
[23:39] <Hash> I shut down the vm in vbox of windows 10.
[23:40] <Hash> In windows 10 vm of vbox, I used disk passthrough, and isntalled windows 10 on a physical diak, not a virtual disk.
[23:40] <Hash> So, no machines to migrate. If this hdd boots in my pc physical, vm actually starts fine on bare metal and works perfectly
[23:41] <Hash> So all I have to do are the two things: 1) create a new vm in virtmanager that uses my physical hdd, match the config of the vm. 2) pci pssthrough
[23:41] <Hash> so I need disk passthrough to even get the vm setup
[23:41] <Hash> then after that I can worry about pci passthrough
[23:50] <Hash> tomreyn: https://blog.zerosector.io/2018/07/28/kvm-qemu-windows-10-gpu-passthrough/ This guy sais to not Ensure you are not using Nvidia drivers and blacklist Nouveau, Ubuntu's built-in Open Source driver.
[23:51] <Hash> Why do you think he is saying I should not use nvidia driver, and I should also blacklist noveou?
[23:51] <Hash> If I not use nvidia, and blacklist noveoua, I won't have a video driver touse.
[23:51] <Hash> So I am confused. I don't proceed without understanding. Do you know anyting bout this?
[23:51] <Hash> I don't want to mess up my ubuntu system
[23:52] <Hash> I am on 20.04
[23:56] <Hash> I have two nvidia cards
[23:56] <Hash> He is using one host intel. Maybe that's why he said this. I don'thave to blacklist it. I think I use 20.04 defalut
[23:57] <Hash> I see nvidia control panel in ubuntu so it means I have nvidia as insallted by ubuntu by default
[23:57] <Hash> So I can blacklist novou driver
[23:58] <Hash> tomreyn: what abou sond passthrough?
[23:59] <Hash> sound*(
[23:59] <Hash> sound*