 @lduboeuf [is it related ? https://github.com/ubports/docs.ubports.com/issues/388], yes that's related
[03:50] <ubptgbot> memorycardps1 was added by: memorycardps1
 @Felipecconde [<reply to media>], There is notch fix for it, although you can only fix after porting
 @Merazzi [LOL, that's cute], I don't like it.
 I found a bug in the calendar in the time and date view of lomiri, where do I report that best?
 @peternerlich [I found a bug in the calendar in the time and date view of lomiri, where do I re …], Calendar apps repo in gitlab: https://gitlab.com/ubports/apps/calendar-app
 it's not the calendar app, but the calendar preview or whatever of the top bar. I expect this is not simultaneously managed by the calendar app because that doesn't need to be installed, or am I wrong?
 (Photo, 540x656) https://irc.ubports.com/z3pF2Eq4.png this one. take a close look at the calendar weeks, they're off by one since february
 @peternerlich [it's not the calendar app, but the calendar preview or whatever of the top bar. …], Sorry, misunderstood you there. That would be reported here: https://github.com/ubports/indicator-datetime
 ah, thank you
 You are welcome.
 @klaartje_b [I've used PrivateOS and LineageOS. Both Android-based but not quite Android. Now …], PrivateOS sounds sketchy
 @klaartje_b [I've used PrivateOS and LineageOS. Both Android-based but not quite Android. Now …], And they are both very much android, just without gms
 @amyosx [PrivateOS sounds sketchy], It's the standard OS pre-installed on a Blackphone.
 Yeah sounds sketchy
 Okay.
[09:22] <ubptgbot> Jakubjak was added by: Jakubjak
 Where can i check what features a port for my device has?
 @Jakubjak [Where can i check what features a port for my device has?], https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io/ for some of them we already switched to the new detailed feature list, e.g. click on N5
 @NotKit [if interested, I'm working on a port for Lenovo Tab M10 FHD Plus (https://gitlab …], Okay, I have one right here. No pressure, of course! 😇
[15:37] <ubptgbot> dark8848 was added by: dark8848
 check the number at the bottom out #ignoretherest
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/drcnaR63.png
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/f1iC7riA.png check the number at the bottom out #ignoretherest
 road to 1111
 Were there any thanges to the UX since taking over from canonical?
 no lol
 It's kinda lacking in some places
 yeah
 it shows thats its an old design
 Like there's no swipe to go back while it'd be so useful
 it's a horror to have to press the back button on the left top corner on larger screens
 especially when you try to use it one handed
 i use it on a rn7, its hell.
 @nachodorito [i use it on a rn7, its hell.], yeah me too
 RN7 port has one funny/annoying bug with audio routing
 but idk if noise cancelling works on any port so *shrugs*
 havent noticed it, care to elaborate?
 I guess there's some feedback loop in-call
 oh
 i dont use it as a main phone so i dont have a sim in it lol
 @K31j0 you mean echo?
 @NotKit [@K31j0 you mean echo?], ye
 I hear the noise picked up and the other person can hear themselves I guess
 hm, I wonder what could be a sensible route to reproduce it... Call lavender, put the phone to another room, listen if you hear yourself through another one?
 <s>would it create indefinite loop if lavender is calling lavender?</s>
 [Edit] <s>would it create infinite loop if lavender is calling lavender?</s>
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/00ooXym8.webp
 Only got one
 Yes, can confirm echoing on receiver's end with Lavender Redmi Note.7
 @K31j0 [Were there any thanges to the UX since taking over from canonical?], there are many unfinished works by Canonical that were implemented. Good example is the app drawer. There are definitely many more though not major things I guess.
 @K31j0 [Like there's no swipe to go back while it'd be so useful], UT doesn't have the concept of "back" and I think only Android and Windows Mobile really  has this concept. There have been many discussion about this though and so far no general solution yet
 @K31j0 [Like there's no swipe to go back while it'd be so useful], that's not trivial to solve, we've gone through many discussions on how to solve that issue believe it
 @Javacookies [UT doesn't have the concept of "back" and I think only Android and Windows Mobil …], eh? of course there is the concept of going back. that's how page stacks work
 I mean global back like on android
 well there's no concept of a system navigation bar, yes
 because for 2/3 of them, instead of a nav bar with buttons, we have edge swipes
 so one big bar at the bottom only for going back doesn't make sense
 but i think that's unrelated to having gestures
 Agreed. We "just" need a gesture to go back. "just" because its not trivial to find a solution at all
 [Edit] Agreed. We "just" need a gesture to go back. "just" because its not trivial to find a solution, like, at all
 ......dang now i got a weird idea how it could be done :x
 Hello together after my last Camera app update the app crashes when starting immediately. I'm on stable and my phone is a nexus 5. Is there a possibility to downgrade? Worked fine before the update
 @TobiasSchimpf [Hello together after my last Camera app update the app crashes when starting imm …], what version of camera app?
 valim na trh
 @Fuseteam [......dang now i got a weird idea how it could be done :x], Swipe up then left lol
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/sr10RB30.png
 Like that
 @dohbee [what version of camera app?], V3.2.1
 UX design is my passion
 @TobiasSchimpf [V3.2.1], weird
 oh, it apparently has built against qt 5.12
 but why didn't openstore block it
 @amyosx [Swipe up then left lol], swipe left and then tap lol
 Nah
 One move better
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/dcapMwhY.png
 Like that good
 also without breaking underlying gestures in the app and components
 @amyosx [One move better], alright it'll be more straight forward: a button in the launcher
 @amyosx [One move better], [Edit] alright it'll be more straight forward: a button in the launcher lol
 Lol
 `buttons bad`
 @dohbee [also without breaking underlying gestures in the app and components], Yeah
 Hard
 that's the hard part yeah
 how do we add a simple thing that doesn't break ux lol
 Lol
 we could do it like android gestures but that would break many apps swipe trailing actions lol
 Let's start with the fact that
 👀
 Android has gestures from the edges because it's broken
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/alTzPyEE.webp
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/WvuEN0iZ.mp4
 because on the top of the screen there'd be no back gesture just the app menu would open
 adding small stuff later on to the UX without thinking it out first is a pain
 (Photo, 591x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/K4Sb7G7B.png We could do like this?
 well technically the "app menu" is on the bottom edge on ut
 going back with a button wouldn't be a problem on like that bq e4.5
 while it's a pain in the ass on 6,3"
 apps could just add a button in the bottom edge, applications under utilize the bottom edge anyway
 @amyosx [<reply to media>], `Android 2: Electric Boogaloo`
 @K31j0 [Android 2: Electric Boogaloo], Yes
 Smart Launcher 5 with some UT theme I found
 like teleports could implement "back" as a bottom edge gesture
 About teleports
 any way to exclude muted chats from notification count?
 or... select messages?
 that obviously won't work with morph, or the clock or the calendar or other apps that already utilize the bottom edge
 I wonder if the Sailfish UX is patented hehe
 @K31j0 [I wonder if the Sailfish UX is patented hehe], Yes
 It is
 ah heck
 Idk about the foss one but the main one is
 what foss one?
 Nemo, I think?
 There are 2 UIs
 Or wait, I think it's GlacierUX
 The foss one and the one on the closed source official builds
 nemo which i think is userfacing in yhe off buillds
 [Edit] Or wait, I think it's Glacier UI
 actually one option is to drop all horizontal gestures in apps and use similar swiping gesture on Sailfish and Kirigami 😄
 but but trailing actions are cool
 the "throw your phone into the sea" gesture
 @Javacookies [actually one option is to drop all horizontal gestures in apps and use similar s …], thing is, sailfish and kirigami are both designed around a bottom nav bar, aren't they?
 the "twirl your phone like a baton" gesture
 actually having a bottom bar instead a top bar would also solve the problem for some apps 🤔
 i mean a system nav bar
 @dohbee [thing is, sailfish and kirigami are both designed around a bottom nav bar, aren' …], no, especially sailfish … top bar isn't even always shown there
 @dohbee [i mean a system nav bar], oh 👀
 Plasma Mobile has a nav bar but I don't think Kirigami was designed with that in mind
 the header in Kirigami reminds me of the old UT header though 😄
 hmm i guess sailfish isn't
 reject system nav bar embrace gestures
 I think iOS also uses the same back gesture in some parts
 @Fuseteam [reject system nav bar embrace gestures], replace gestures with voice … "back! back! back!"
 @Javacookies [replace gestures with voice … "back! back! back!"], it will be like that legal game for DS. you must yell "Objection!" into your device
 @dohbee [but why didn't openstore block it], May be it works on RC channel so.
 @TobiasSchimpf [May be it works on RC channel so.], yes it works on RC
 problem is that it got built against new qt version and was allowed to be published despite the error
 Is ADB broken on the Pixel 3a?
 nevermind. It's working now.
 When all else fails, reboot.
[20:08] <ubptgbot> <Steve Kueffer> @TobiasSchimpf [Hello together after my last Camera app update the app crashes when starting imm …], ⚠️I confirm. The camera application update caused the camera application to crash instantly when it is launched. Both on my Nexus 5 and my wife's Vollaphone camera is broken... (OTA-15 stable)⚠️
 Working on it
[20:11] <ubptgbot> <Steve Kueffer> @UniversalSuperBox [Working on it], Thank you Dalton😉
 @Javacookies [I think iOS also uses the same back gesture in some parts], it does?
 @dohbee [it will be like that legal game for DS. you must yell "Objection!" into your dev …], lol
 @Javacookies [I think iOS also uses the same back gesture in some parts], theres is uhhh
 swipe up a little for....back? swipe up too much for recent apps? idk
 only used it once and got frustrated
[20:32] <ubptgbot> YYoouurrUUsseerrnnaammee was added by: YYoouurrUUsseerrnnaammee
 hi
 @SomaSchicksal [swipe up a little for....back? swipe up too much for recent apps? idk], swipe up for home, swipe up and hold for recents
 swipe left on the bar for last app
 [Edit] swipe right on the bar for last app
 its weird
 @SomaSchicksal [swipe up a little for....back? swipe up too much for recent apps? idk], you a short swipe up for back isn't that bad an idea tbh
 but uh i think a long swipe up is a bit hard to trigger
 oh we aren't talking about ut 👀
 sooooo on ut the bottom edge is reserved for application specific actions, but not many apps use it
 @Lyokanthrope [Or wait, I think it's Glacier UI], That's not exacly free sfos but more of mer project I guess, BTW hi lyo
 henlo
 SFOS has no navbar and that's something nice actually
 Gestures are cool :D
 @Steve Kueffer [⚠️I confirm. The camera application update caused the camera application to cras …], it is fixed now. please update. cc: @TobiasSchimpf
[21:18] <ubptgbot> <Steve Kueffer> @dohbee [it is fixed now. please update. cc: @TobiasSchimpf], Done! I confirm it's works again for our both devices! 😉 Thank you Rodney! 👍
 @dohbee [it is fixed now. please update. cc: @TobiasSchimpf], nexus 5, video recording doesnt works
 @YYoouurrUUsseerrnnaammee [nexus 5, video recording doesnt works], define doesn't work. you mean you get no thumbnail and can't play the video after you record it?
 no, camera app crashes after switched to video mode
 In my case it doesnt crash, just doest playback within camera app
 recording video works fine here too
 Here too. Thats not my issue. But can you play that vid by swiping to photo roll from within the camera?
 no, mp4 video playback isn't working on nexus 5
 Im pretty sure it did on the meizu pro5 though
 Which i have
 ohhhhh
 sigh
 yeah that isn't working
 :(
 wtf why is that not working
 wait it that suppose to work?
 😔🔫
 i thought video playback is just broken on the nexus 5
 it's not a playback issue
 [Edit] wait is that supposed to work?
 guess i misunderstood the issue
 this is why other people should review your code
 (though it may have been overlooked still)
 I forgot if it was meant to launch media player or play inside camera app..
 it opens media player
 launches media player on e5
 oooh the thumbnail 👀
 um is it normal for one device to have a delta on devel while the other does not?
 nexus 5 has a devel image 2021-03-08 while the e5 only has 2021-03-05
 If nothing changed, the image isn't released.
 why did anything change for nexus 5 this weekend and not e5?
 The Nexus 5's Android tree gets rebuilt every day no matter what.
 ah
 All ubp and halium devices do.
 It's a cause of significant stress on the system-image build server.
 Are scrolling bugs normal in morph ?
 Please explain.
 morph doesn't have gpu acceleration, so scrolling may not be fast/smooth always
 Random pages just stop responding, no scroll and nothing is clickable
 @UniversalSuperBox [All ubp and halium devices do.], Ahhh
 Considering they are like 5 hour builds here
 Lol
 @K31j0 [Random pages just stop responding, no scroll and nothing is clickable], What device and what channel?
 lavender
 Stable
 Remind me which one is Lavender :) ?
 Redmi Note 7, though this isn't the only report
 https://forums.ubports.com/post/47699
 Also sometimes outbound calls don't work
 @UniversalSuperBox [The Nexus 5's Android tree gets rebuilt every day no matter what.], should that create a delta tho?
 @Fuseteam [should that create a delta tho?], it's very small delta
 Does noise cancellation work on any device?
 if it doesn't require anything from ubuntu touch side, otherwise probably not
 So it's reliant on a blob working
 it would be anyway. but afaik there is nothing in ubuntu touch side of things that does anything regarding noise cancellation
 so it would have to work automatically inside the HAL
 but given how things on android work, i suspect that's probably not how it actually works
 It'd probably be wiser to get a pinephone, but >specs
 And idk if the design is finalized
 @K31j0 [It'd probably be wiser to get a pinephone, but >specs], That also has calling issues iiuc
 There wont be anymore hw iterations as far as i know
 @matv1 [Im pretty sure it did on the meizu pro5 though], can you test https://gitlab.com/ubports/apps/camera-app/-/jobs/1081905014/artifacts/raw/build/arm-linux-gnueabihf/app/com.ubuntu.camera_3.2.2_armhf.click please :)
 Sure, I need to finish something first. Gimme half an hour
 sure
[22:21] <ubptgbot> Karen was added by: Karen
 @dohbee yep thats fixed again. Much obliged!
 I dont need to verify on other devices as well do I ?
 no
 cool
 @K31j0 [Random pages just stop responding, no scroll and nothing is clickable], On which websites do you notice this occurring?
 i just opened all the collapsed bits on the kerr effect wikipedia page, and scrolled up and down a bunch with no issues 🤷‍♀️
 Twitter tends to cause the browser to stop responding once the page gets too long, but it resumes itself.
 And of course the browser itself is still running, just the webview is overloaded.
 Can still switch tabs.
 i mean, i get that on infinite scroll pages on my PC too; and it's got 64GB RAM and 16 cores and GPU accel
 reddit is especially bad for that
 @dohbee [reddit is especially bad for that], personally I use old reddit instead of the redesign
 I am trying to wipe user data on the fp2 because i have forgotten the password and i am not able to do so with the installer.
 @dohbee [it's very small delta], so it does create a delta i see 🤔
 @nanu_c [I am trying to wipe user data on the fp2 because i have forgotten the password a …], wait what? the installer should be able to wipe, what kind of error do you see?
 The installer says finished on the laptop and the report to open cuts, the Fairphone shows yumi and installing. Then boots and has the old password
 oh somehow the password survives hmm
 Now I renamed the passwd file in recovery and tried to wipe everything, now the phone doesn't start Lomiri anymore
 if you can get adb/ssh access there was a file you could blank out to remove password iirc
 oh no
 found the file: https://t.me/ubports/327781
 but lomiri not starting i'm not sure, are you able to put the passwd file back?
 Yup, I have a screenshot 😂
 😂
 Tomorrow I will open a bug report
 @UniversalSuperBox [On which websites do you notice this occurring?], Invidious for instance