[00:07] @lduboeuf [is it related ? https://github.com/ubports/docs.ubports.com/issues/388], yes that's related [03:50] memorycardps1 was added by: memorycardps1 [06:09] @Felipecconde [], There is notch fix for it, although you can only fix after porting [07:08] @Merazzi [LOL, that's cute], I don't like it. [08:18] I found a bug in the calendar in the time and date view of lomiri, where do I report that best? [08:20] @peternerlich [I found a bug in the calendar in the time and date view of lomiri, where do I re …], Calendar apps repo in gitlab: https://gitlab.com/ubports/apps/calendar-app [08:21] it's not the calendar app, but the calendar preview or whatever of the top bar. I expect this is not simultaneously managed by the calendar app because that doesn't need to be installed, or am I wrong? [08:23] (Photo, 540x656) https://irc.ubports.com/z3pF2Eq4.png this one. take a close look at the calendar weeks, they're off by one since february [08:24] @peternerlich [it's not the calendar app, but the calendar preview or whatever of the top bar. …], Sorry, misunderstood you there. That would be reported here: https://github.com/ubports/indicator-datetime [08:24] ah, thank you [08:24] You are welcome. [08:26] @klaartje_b [I've used PrivateOS and LineageOS. Both Android-based but not quite Android. Now …], PrivateOS sounds sketchy [08:26] @klaartje_b [I've used PrivateOS and LineageOS. Both Android-based but not quite Android. Now …], And they are both very much android, just without gms [08:27] @amyosx [PrivateOS sounds sketchy], It's the standard OS pre-installed on a Blackphone. [08:28] Yeah sounds sketchy [08:29] Okay. [09:22] Jakubjak was added by: Jakubjak [09:23] Where can i check what features a port for my device has? [09:23] @Jakubjak [Where can i check what features a port for my device has?], https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io/ for some of them we already switched to the new detailed feature list, e.g. click on N5 [14:42] @NotKit [if interested, I'm working on a port for Lenovo Tab M10 FHD Plus (https://gitlab …], Okay, I have one right here. No pressure, of course! 😇 [15:37] dark8848 was added by: dark8848 [17:01] check the number at the bottom out #ignoretherest [17:01] (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/drcnaR63.png [17:01] (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/f1iC7riA.png check the number at the bottom out #ignoretherest [17:12] road to 1111 [17:12] Were there any thanges to the UX since taking over from canonical? [17:13] no lol [17:13] It's kinda lacking in some places [17:14] yeah [17:14] it shows thats its an old design [17:15] Like there's no swipe to go back while it'd be so useful [17:15] it's a horror to have to press the back button on the left top corner on larger screens [17:15] especially when you try to use it one handed [17:15] i use it on a rn7, its hell. [17:16] @nachodorito [i use it on a rn7, its hell.], yeah me too [17:16] RN7 port has one funny/annoying bug with audio routing [17:16] but idk if noise cancelling works on any port so *shrugs* [17:16] havent noticed it, care to elaborate? [17:17] I guess there's some feedback loop in-call [17:17] oh [17:17] i dont use it as a main phone so i dont have a sim in it lol [17:24] @K31j0 you mean echo? [17:24] @NotKit [@K31j0 you mean echo?], ye [17:25] I hear the noise picked up and the other person can hear themselves I guess [17:27] hm, I wonder what could be a sensible route to reproduce it... Call lavender, put the phone to another room, listen if you hear yourself through another one? [17:29] ~~would it create indefinite loop if lavender is calling lavender?~~ [17:29] [Edit] ~~would it create infinite loop if lavender is calling lavender?~~ [17:32] (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/00ooXym8.webp [17:32] Only got one [17:32] Yes, can confirm echoing on receiver's end with Lavender Redmi Note.7 [17:33] @K31j0 [Were there any thanges to the UX since taking over from canonical?], there are many unfinished works by Canonical that were implemented. Good example is the app drawer. There are definitely many more though not major things I guess. [17:35] @K31j0 [Like there's no swipe to go back while it'd be so useful], UT doesn't have the concept of "back" and I think only Android and Windows Mobile really has this concept. There have been many discussion about this though and so far no general solution yet [18:00] @K31j0 [Like there's no swipe to go back while it'd be so useful], that's not trivial to solve, we've gone through many discussions on how to solve that issue believe it [18:10] @Javacookies [UT doesn't have the concept of "back" and I think only Android and Windows Mobil …], eh? of course there is the concept of going back. that's how page stacks work [18:17] I mean global back like on android [18:19] well there's no concept of a system navigation bar, yes [18:20] because for 2/3 of them, instead of a nav bar with buttons, we have edge swipes [18:20] so one big bar at the bottom only for going back doesn't make sense [18:20] but i think that's unrelated to having gestures [18:33] Agreed. We "just" need a gesture to go back. "just" because its not trivial to find a solution at all [18:34] [Edit] Agreed. We "just" need a gesture to go back. "just" because its not trivial to find a solution, like, at all [18:35] ......dang now i got a weird idea how it could be done :x [18:40] Hello together after my last Camera app update the app crashes when starting immediately. I'm on stable and my phone is a nexus 5. Is there a possibility to downgrade? Worked fine before the update [18:45] @TobiasSchimpf [Hello together after my last Camera app update the app crashes when starting imm …], what version of camera app? [18:46] valim na trh [18:46] @Fuseteam [......dang now i got a weird idea how it could be done :x], Swipe up then left lol [18:46] (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/sr10RB30.png [18:46] Like that [18:46] @dohbee [what version of camera app?], V3.2.1 [18:47] UX design is my passion [18:47] @TobiasSchimpf [V3.2.1], weird [18:48] oh, it apparently has built against qt 5.12 [18:49] but why didn't openstore block it [18:50] @amyosx [Swipe up then left lol], swipe left and then tap lol [18:50] Nah [18:50] One move better [18:51] (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/dcapMwhY.png [18:51] Like that good [18:52] also without breaking underlying gestures in the app and components [18:53] @amyosx [One move better], alright it'll be more straight forward: a button in the launcher [18:53] @amyosx [One move better], [Edit] alright it'll be more straight forward: a button in the launcher lol [18:53] Lol [18:53] `buttons bad` [18:53] @dohbee [also without breaking underlying gestures in the app and components], Yeah [18:53] Hard [18:53] that's the hard part yeah [18:54] how do we add a simple thing that doesn't break ux lol [18:54] Lol [18:54] we could do it like android gestures but that would break many apps swipe trailing actions lol [18:55] Let's start with the fact that [18:55] 👀 [18:55] Android has gestures from the edges because it's broken [18:55] (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/alTzPyEE.webp [18:55] (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/WvuEN0iZ.mp4 [18:55] because on the top of the screen there'd be no back gesture just the app menu would open [18:56] adding small stuff later on to the UX without thinking it out first is a pain [18:56] (Photo, 591x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/K4Sb7G7B.png We could do like this? [18:56] well technically the "app menu" is on the bottom edge on ut [18:56] going back with a button wouldn't be a problem on like that bq e4.5 [18:56] while it's a pain in the ass on 6,3" [18:57] apps could just add a button in the bottom edge, applications under utilize the bottom edge anyway [18:57] @amyosx [], `Android 2: Electric Boogaloo` [18:57] @K31j0 [Android 2: Electric Boogaloo], Yes [18:57] Smart Launcher 5 with some UT theme I found [18:57] like teleports could implement "back" as a bottom edge gesture [18:58] About teleports [18:58] any way to exclude muted chats from notification count? [18:58] or... select messages? [18:58] that obviously won't work with morph, or the clock or the calendar or other apps that already utilize the bottom edge [19:01] I wonder if the Sailfish UX is patented hehe [19:01] @K31j0 [I wonder if the Sailfish UX is patented hehe], Yes [19:01] It is [19:01] ah heck [19:01] Idk about the foss one but the main one is [19:01] what foss one? [19:03] Nemo, I think? [19:03] There are 2 UIs [19:03] Or wait, I think it's GlacierUX [19:03] The foss one and the one on the closed source official builds [19:03] nemo which i think is userfacing in yhe off buillds [19:03] [Edit] Or wait, I think it's Glacier UI [19:16] actually one option is to drop all horizontal gestures in apps and use similar swiping gesture on Sailfish and Kirigami 😄 [19:17] but but trailing actions are cool [19:18] the "throw your phone into the sea" gesture [19:18] @Javacookies [actually one option is to drop all horizontal gestures in apps and use similar s …], thing is, sailfish and kirigami are both designed around a bottom nav bar, aren't they? [19:18] the "twirl your phone like a baton" gesture [19:19] actually having a bottom bar instead a top bar would also solve the problem for some apps 🤔 [19:20] i mean a system nav bar [19:21] @dohbee [thing is, sailfish and kirigami are both designed around a bottom nav bar, aren' …], no, especially sailfish … top bar isn't even always shown there [19:21] @dohbee [i mean a system nav bar], oh 👀 [19:22] Plasma Mobile has a nav bar but I don't think Kirigami was designed with that in mind [19:22] the header in Kirigami reminds me of the old UT header though 😄 [19:22] hmm i guess sailfish isn't [19:22] reject system nav bar embrace gestures [19:23] I think iOS also uses the same back gesture in some parts [19:23] @Fuseteam [reject system nav bar embrace gestures], replace gestures with voice … "back! back! back!" [19:24] @Javacookies [replace gestures with voice … "back! back! back!"], it will be like that legal game for DS. you must yell "Objection!" into your device [19:25] @dohbee [but why didn't openstore block it], May be it works on RC channel so. [19:25] @TobiasSchimpf [May be it works on RC channel so.], yes it works on RC [19:25] problem is that it got built against new qt version and was allowed to be published despite the error [19:54] Is ADB broken on the Pixel 3a? [19:57] nevermind. It's working now. [19:58] When all else fails, reboot. [20:08] @TobiasSchimpf [Hello together after my last Camera app update the app crashes when starting imm …], ⚠️I confirm. The camera application update caused the camera application to crash instantly when it is launched. Both on my Nexus 5 and my wife's Vollaphone camera is broken... (OTA-15 stable)⚠️ [20:08] Working on it [20:11] @UniversalSuperBox [Working on it], Thank you Dalton😉 [20:22] @Javacookies [I think iOS also uses the same back gesture in some parts], it does? [20:22] @dohbee [it will be like that legal game for DS. you must yell "Objection!" into your dev …], lol [20:25] @Javacookies [I think iOS also uses the same back gesture in some parts], theres is uhhh [20:29] swipe up a little for....back? swipe up too much for recent apps? idk [20:30] only used it once and got frustrated [20:32] YYoouurrUUsseerrnnaammee was added by: YYoouurrUUsseerrnnaammee [20:32] hi [20:32] @SomaSchicksal [swipe up a little for....back? swipe up too much for recent apps? idk], swipe up for home, swipe up and hold for recents [20:33] swipe left on the bar for last app [20:33] [Edit] swipe right on the bar for last app [20:33] its weird [20:33] @SomaSchicksal [swipe up a little for....back? swipe up too much for recent apps? idk], you a short swipe up for back isn't that bad an idea tbh [20:33] but uh i think a long swipe up is a bit hard to trigger [20:34] oh we aren't talking about ut 👀 [20:35] sooooo on ut the bottom edge is reserved for application specific actions, but not many apps use it [20:50] @Lyokanthrope [Or wait, I think it's Glacier UI], That's not exacly free sfos but more of mer project I guess, BTW hi lyo [20:50] henlo [20:51] SFOS has no navbar and that's something nice actually [20:51] Gestures are cool :D [21:14] @Steve Kueffer [⚠️I confirm. The camera application update caused the camera application to cras …], it is fixed now. please update. cc: @TobiasSchimpf [21:18] @dohbee [it is fixed now. please update. cc: @TobiasSchimpf], Done! I confirm it's works again for our both devices! 😉 Thank you Rodney! 👍 [21:20] @dohbee [it is fixed now. please update. cc: @TobiasSchimpf], nexus 5, video recording doesnt works [21:24] @YYoouurrUUsseerrnnaammee [nexus 5, video recording doesnt works], define doesn't work. you mean you get no thumbnail and can't play the video after you record it? [21:27] no, camera app crashes after switched to video mode [21:28] In my case it doesnt crash, just doest playback within camera app [21:29] recording video works fine here too [21:30] Here too. Thats not my issue. But can you play that vid by swiping to photo roll from within the camera? [21:30] no, mp4 video playback isn't working on nexus 5 [21:31] Im pretty sure it did on the meizu pro5 though [21:31] Which i have [21:32] ohhhhh [21:32] sigh [21:32] yeah that isn't working [21:33] :( [21:33] wtf why is that not working [21:33] wait it that suppose to work? [21:33] 😔🔫 [21:34] i thought video playback is just broken on the nexus 5 [21:34] it's not a playback issue [21:34] [Edit] wait is that supposed to work? [21:34] guess i misunderstood the issue [21:35] this is why other people should review your code [21:35] (though it may have been overlooked still) [21:36] I forgot if it was meant to launch media player or play inside camera app.. [21:38] it opens media player [21:38] launches media player on e5 [21:38] oooh the thumbnail 👀 [21:39] um is it normal for one device to have a delta on devel while the other does not? [21:40] nexus 5 has a devel image 2021-03-08 while the e5 only has 2021-03-05 [21:40] If nothing changed, the image isn't released. [21:41] why did anything change for nexus 5 this weekend and not e5? [21:42] The Nexus 5's Android tree gets rebuilt every day no matter what. [21:42] ah [21:43] All ubp and halium devices do. [21:43] It's a cause of significant stress on the system-image build server. [21:43]