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jphilipsbluesabre: the 'xfce terminal settings' is still appearing in settings manager. which commit was it removed in as i don't see in the git log00:47
krytarikjphilips: https://github.com/Xubuntu/xubuntu-default-settings/commit/89105808079dfbd79ee317a33539553ce2a203fc00:52
ubot3Commit 8910580 in Xubuntu/xubuntu-default-settings "Show Xfce Terminal launcher in the menu (LP: #1851387)"00:52
jphilipsthanks krytarik00:52
jphilipsguess its just not working as expected00:52
jphilipsoh i see it was just from the menu, when I had suggested it be removed from the settings manager00:54
jphilipshttps://github.com/Xubuntu/xubuntu-default-settings/pull/1800:58
ubot3Pull 18 in Xubuntu/xubuntu-default-settings "Hide Terminal Settings from Settings Manager" [Open]00:58
krytarikI think the rationale for this was broken in the first place though, since there is a variety of launchers shown to settings that can be opened through the respective app as well.01:06
krytarikLike the Thunar one and while not installed by default I also got one for Clipman.01:10
Unit193Why are we hiding settings from a settings manager...?01:13
krytarikAnd/or the menu..01:14
bluesabreAt least for the terminal, I get hiding the settings if both launchers show as "Xfce Terminal"? I don't see any reason to exclude from the Settings Manager.02:04
krytarikThe settings one says "...Settings" though.02:12
jphilipswhy should app settings appear in settings manager02:13
jphilipsusers who want to access app settings should go through the menu in the app02:14
jphilipselse the settings manager will be clutterred02:14
krytarikbluesabre: It has been saying the same until not too long ago though.02:17
krytarikjphilips: Strictly, the same would apply to the panel too then though..02:18
jphilipspanel isn't technically an app its a UI element02:19
jphilipspanel also doesn't have a menubar02:19
krytarikMy terminal doesn't have one either!02:20
krytarikAnd there is still the generically named "File Manager Settings" from Thunar either, which then should be hidden too..02:23
jphilipseven with a hidden menubar, you can right-click to get to settings02:25
jphilipsthis is my proposed rearrangement of settings manager https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/4412114/87832012-00a9d080-c896-11ea-83e6-61f62693454d.png02:25
jphilipsits in this report https://github.com/Xubuntu/xubuntu-default-settings/issues/702:25
ubot3Issue 7 in Xubuntu/xubuntu-default-settings "Settings Manager Updates" [Open]02:25
jphilipsi don't see file manager settings in settings manager02:26
jphilipsi see removable drives and media02:26
krytarikWell, you definitely should though, under "Personal" at the top.02:32
krytarikI mean the Thunar and terminal settings definitely look a little out of place in the settings manager at least, but then like I said I'd still have the Clipman one anyway..02:36
jphilipsclipman settings is accessible from the plugin's context menu, so not sure about that02:39
krytarikYeah, but this one is an app that's not even installed by default, so strictly shouldn't be taken care about either.02:41
krytarikSeeing how both Kubuntu and Lubuntu also have a clipboard manager on the panel by default, I'd reason though adding it wouldn't be too bad an idea..02:54
jphilipsnot there https://imgur.com/6bnn628.png02:55
jphilipsinstalling clipman by default and having it in the panel is a patch i've sent in02:55
krytarikAh, ok.02:56
jphilipsX11's clipboard bug makes it impossible to work effectively with02:56
krytarikYeah, "just hope it's still there after you close the app!" XD02:57
krytarikAnd are you sure you didn't hide the launcher locally yourself? :P02:58
jphilipsscreenshot is from 21.04 iso02:59
jphilipsi don't see it on 20.04 either03:00
krytarik–__–03:00
krytarikhttps://github.com/Xubuntu/xubuntu-default-settings/blob/master/usr/share/xubuntu/applications/thunar-settings.desktop - ahaa!  And apparently we haven't got that in Xebian yet.03:06
jphilipsdo you work on Xebian as well?03:07
krytarikMore there than here these days, yeah.03:08
jphilipsthat's great. i've been recommending it quite a bit on twitter once i recently stumbled on it03:08
Unit193>_>03:09
jphilipswas curious why unstable/sid rather than testing03:09
krytarikYeah, personally I'm on Testing with it.. :>03:09
jphilipsare you corsac?03:22
krytarikhttps://github.com/Xubuntu/xubuntu-default-settings/blob/master/usr/share/xubuntu/applications/Thunar-bulk-rename.desktop - and while wrt the menu file mangling recently there has been reasoning that the bulk renamer should be shown, I'd think this one doesn't even apply anymore since upstream has since renamed the file to lowercase.03:24
krytarikNo, Corsac is Corsac! >_<03:25
jphilipswanted to thank him for landing 4.16.403:25
jphilipsthunar03:25
jphilipsdoes he show up in this channel03:26
Unit193He's not affiliated with Xubuntu in any way, intentionally.03:26
jphilipshis name is in the ubuntu changelog though03:26
jphilipsguess that's just because ubuntu's pulling from debian03:27
-SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xfce4-announce:: ANNOUNCE: thunar 4.16.5 released @ http://xfce.10915.n7.nabble.com/ANNOUNCE-thunar-4-16-5-released-tp59917.html (by Alexander Schwinn-2)08:40
jphilipsjust when 4.16.4 just got in :D09:10
jphilipsUnit193: are you running xebian?09:10
knomeso i plan to replace the xubuntu website theme with a new one "sometime soonish"11:26
knomeapart from the bugreports, is there something the team wants to address at this point?11:26
jphilipsknome: that's great. was thinking to put out a call for wordpress designers to come and help with the revamp, but guess that's not needed now.11:43
jphilipsyour help with modifying the CSS for the new documentation would be appreciated11:44
jphilipsis there a gui app to manage running daemons, something similar to windows services manager16:37
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knomejphilips, modifying in what way?20:08
jphilipsknome: improving its design20:09
knomeplease elaborate20:09
knomethere is a thousand different ways in which one can improve a design20:09
jphilipspossibly a redesign20:09
jphilipsi have basic ideas of small things like increasing the front, centering the logo, etc. but a redesign would also be welcome20:10
jphilipsif you had the time20:10
knomewell... a redesign is a completely different thing than modifying CSS20:10
jphilipsany idea how long we've used the current design20:10
knomeit's been stable for a long time.20:11
knometbh, it's documentation, we don't want anything super flashy20:11
knomeor at least that's how i see it20:11
jphilipsdesign isn't mobile ready20:12
jphilipsoh okay its just the main page20:12
knomeworks for me on mobile20:13
jphilipsthis page https://docs.xubuntu.org/2010/20:13
jphilipstext isn't readable20:13
knomein what sense?20:13
knomeit's too small?20:13
jphilipsyes20:13
jphilipsits assuming the user is on the deskto20:14
knomethat doesn't warrant a redesign of the documentation looks20:14
jphilipswas just mentioning that the front page needs some editing and it wasn't why i was suggesting the redesign20:14
knomewe can, and probably should consider the font size for the website20:15
knomei haven't heard anything concrete other than you'd move the logo to the center (moot on mobile) and that the text is too small on mobile20:15
jphilipsas mentioned, those are small fixes that i felt needed to be done to improve things, but a fresh redesign, like we are doing for the website, is a good thing as we are revamping the documentation20:16
knomewhat would that redesign consist of?20:17
jphilipsa call for volunteers to send in CSS files for a redesign is easily doable20:17
knomeyes, but if you don't give any specs, then i'm not sure what gives.20:17
jphilipsi don't have any specific specs, i'd leave it up to the CSS designers to create things they think is appealing20:18
knomei think the current documentation look is appealing enough for documentation20:19
knome:)20:19
knomethe current website... well tbf, it's been in the need for a redesign for a bit.20:23
jphilipsdo you have time to work on the new homepage for the docs - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Aj_Wdj9Uq62Ju0bvjhz15NVdaI_SaAMo8xqdU9s67YE/edit20:23
jphilipsyour thoughts are in the 'Pasi' section20:23
knomeindeed20:24
knomei mean... is there any progress since i commented?20:24
jphilipsyou and stephen disagreed with the flags concept, so a decision of what it would look like would need to be finalized20:27
knomei would again like to know, what's wrong with the current looks?20:29
knomei mean sure, maybe the languages could be visually separated a bit more, but other than that...20:29
jphilipswe've removed all the text from the current page, so the homepage is just a language selector20:29
knomei think it's overkill to create a "country/language" selector as is like godaddy, but if you want to refresh the look of the language selector, the languages could be laid out like theirs20:32
jphilipscould i leave it to you to design it as you feel it would best look20:37
knomei guess you can think you leave it to me, and then i forget because i don't think it's that important ;)20:53
knomebut on a more serious note, maybe try filing an issue on github and assign me and maybe i'll get to it once i have time to work on the website stuff.20:54
jphilipscreated https://github.com/Xubuntu/xubuntu-docs/issues/921:01
ubot3Issue 9 in Xubuntu/xubuntu-docs "Update main page of documentation" [Open]21:01
jphilipsnot sure how to assign it to someone21:01
jphilipsknome: have you completed the 21.04 wallpaper?21:02
knomei haven't21:02
knomeyou need enough permissions to assign21:02
jphilipsthought it must be that21:02
knomebasically you must be either pleia2, skellat, Unit193 or bluesabre (fun ping-fest) :P21:03
jphilipswanted to let the team know that i've created a contributors telegram group who are currently ISO testing - https://t.me/XubuntuDevelopment22:39
jphilipsbluesabre: did you ever get around to asking wimpy about tlp and powertop23:29

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