[00:47] <jphilips> bluesabre: the 'xfce terminal settings' is still appearing in settings manager. which commit was it removed in as i don't see in the git log
[00:52] <krytarik> jphilips: https://github.com/Xubuntu/xubuntu-default-settings/commit/89105808079dfbd79ee317a33539553ce2a203fc
[00:52] <ubot3> Commit 8910580 in Xubuntu/xubuntu-default-settings "Show Xfce Terminal launcher in the menu (LP: #1851387)"
[00:52] <jphilips> thanks krytarik
[00:52] <jphilips> guess its just not working as expected
[00:54] <jphilips> oh i see it was just from the menu, when I had suggested it be removed from the settings manager
[00:58] <jphilips> https://github.com/Xubuntu/xubuntu-default-settings/pull/18
[00:58] <ubot3> Pull 18 in Xubuntu/xubuntu-default-settings "Hide Terminal Settings from Settings Manager" [Open]
[01:06] <krytarik> I think the rationale for this was broken in the first place though, since there is a variety of launchers shown to settings that can be opened through the respective app as well.
[01:10] <krytarik> Like the Thunar one and while not installed by default I also got one for Clipman.
[01:13] <Unit193> Why are we hiding settings from a settings manager...?
[01:14] <krytarik> And/or the menu..
[02:04] <bluesabre> At least for the terminal, I get hiding the settings if both launchers show as "Xfce Terminal"? I don't see any reason to exclude from the Settings Manager.
[02:12] <krytarik> The settings one says "...Settings" though.
[02:13] <jphilips> why should app settings appear in settings manager
[02:14] <jphilips> users who want to access app settings should go through the menu in the app
[02:14] <jphilips> else the settings manager will be clutterred
[02:17] <krytarik> bluesabre: It has been saying the same until not too long ago though.
[02:18] <krytarik> jphilips: Strictly, the same would apply to the panel too then though..
[02:19] <jphilips> panel isn't technically an app its a UI element
[02:19] <jphilips> panel also doesn't have a menubar
[02:20] <krytarik> My terminal doesn't have one either!
[02:23] <krytarik> And there is still the generically named "File Manager Settings" from Thunar either, which then should be hidden too..
[02:25] <jphilips> even with a hidden menubar, you can right-click to get to settings
[02:25] <jphilips> this is my proposed rearrangement of settings manager https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/4412114/87832012-00a9d080-c896-11ea-83e6-61f62693454d.png
[02:25] <jphilips> its in this report https://github.com/Xubuntu/xubuntu-default-settings/issues/7
[02:25] <ubot3> Issue 7 in Xubuntu/xubuntu-default-settings "Settings Manager Updates" [Open]
[02:26] <jphilips> i don't see file manager settings in settings manager
[02:26] <jphilips> i see removable drives and media
[02:32] <krytarik> Well, you definitely should though, under "Personal" at the top.
[02:36] <krytarik> I mean the Thunar and terminal settings definitely look a little out of place in the settings manager at least, but then like I said I'd still have the Clipman one anyway..
[02:39] <jphilips> clipman settings is accessible from the plugin's context menu, so not sure about that
[02:41] <krytarik> Yeah, but this one is an app that's not even installed by default, so strictly shouldn't be taken care about either.
[02:54] <krytarik> Seeing how both Kubuntu and Lubuntu also have a clipboard manager on the panel by default, I'd reason though adding it wouldn't be too bad an idea..
[02:55] <jphilips> not there https://imgur.com/6bnn628.png
[02:55] <jphilips> installing clipman by default and having it in the panel is a patch i've sent in
[02:56] <krytarik> Ah, ok.
[02:56] <jphilips> X11's clipboard bug makes it impossible to work effectively with
[02:57] <krytarik> Yeah, "just hope it's still there after you close the app!" XD
[02:58] <krytarik> And are you sure you didn't hide the launcher locally yourself? :P
[02:59] <jphilips> screenshot is from 21.04 iso
[03:00] <jphilips> i don't see it on 20.04 either
[03:00] <krytarik> –__–
[03:06] <krytarik> https://github.com/Xubuntu/xubuntu-default-settings/blob/master/usr/share/xubuntu/applications/thunar-settings.desktop - ahaa!  And apparently we haven't got that in Xebian yet.
[03:07] <jphilips> do you work on Xebian as well?
[03:08] <krytarik> More there than here these days, yeah.
[03:08] <jphilips> that's great. i've been recommending it quite a bit on twitter once i recently stumbled on it
[03:09] <Unit193> >_>
[03:09] <jphilips> was curious why unstable/sid rather than testing
[03:09] <krytarik> Yeah, personally I'm on Testing with it.. :>
[03:22] <jphilips> are you corsac?
[03:24] <krytarik> https://github.com/Xubuntu/xubuntu-default-settings/blob/master/usr/share/xubuntu/applications/Thunar-bulk-rename.desktop - and while wrt the menu file mangling recently there has been reasoning that the bulk renamer should be shown, I'd think this one doesn't even apply anymore since upstream has since renamed the file to lowercase.
[03:25] <krytarik> No, Corsac is Corsac! >_<
[03:25] <jphilips> wanted to thank him for landing 4.16.4
[03:25] <jphilips> thunar
[03:26] <jphilips> does he show up in this channel
[03:26] <Unit193> He's not affiliated with Xubuntu in any way, intentionally.
[03:26] <jphilips> his name is in the ubuntu changelog though
[03:27] <jphilips> guess that's just because ubuntu's pulling from debian
[08:40] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xfce4-announce:: ANNOUNCE: thunar 4.16.5 released @ http://xfce.10915.n7.nabble.com/ANNOUNCE-thunar-4-16-5-released-tp59917.html (by Alexander Schwinn-2)
[09:10] <jphilips> just when 4.16.4 just got in :D
[09:10] <jphilips> Unit193: are you running xebian?
[11:26] <knome> so i plan to replace the xubuntu website theme with a new one "sometime soonish"
[11:26] <knome> apart from the bugreports, is there something the team wants to address at this point?
[11:43] <jphilips> knome: that's great. was thinking to put out a call for wordpress designers to come and help with the revamp, but guess that's not needed now.
[11:44] <jphilips> your help with modifying the CSS for the new documentation would be appreciated
[16:37] <jphilips> is there a gui app to manage running daemons, something similar to windows services manager
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[20:08] <knome> jphilips, modifying in what way?
[20:09] <jphilips> knome: improving its design
[20:09] <knome> please elaborate
[20:09] <knome> there is a thousand different ways in which one can improve a design
[20:09] <jphilips> possibly a redesign
[20:10] <jphilips> i have basic ideas of small things like increasing the front, centering the logo, etc. but a redesign would also be welcome
[20:10] <jphilips> if you had the time
[20:10] <knome> well... a redesign is a completely different thing than modifying CSS
[20:10] <jphilips> any idea how long we've used the current design
[20:11] <knome> it's been stable for a long time.
[20:11] <knome> tbh, it's documentation, we don't want anything super flashy
[20:11] <knome> or at least that's how i see it
[20:12] <jphilips> design isn't mobile ready
[20:12] <jphilips> oh okay its just the main page
[20:13] <knome> works for me on mobile
[20:13] <jphilips> this page https://docs.xubuntu.org/2010/
[20:13] <jphilips> text isn't readable
[20:13] <knome> in what sense?
[20:13] <knome> it's too small?
[20:13] <jphilips> yes
[20:14] <jphilips> its assuming the user is on the deskto
[20:14] <knome> that doesn't warrant a redesign of the documentation looks
[20:14] <jphilips> was just mentioning that the front page needs some editing and it wasn't why i was suggesting the redesign
[20:15] <knome> we can, and probably should consider the font size for the website
[20:15] <knome> i haven't heard anything concrete other than you'd move the logo to the center (moot on mobile) and that the text is too small on mobile
[20:16] <jphilips> as mentioned, those are small fixes that i felt needed to be done to improve things, but a fresh redesign, like we are doing for the website, is a good thing as we are revamping the documentation
[20:17] <knome> what would that redesign consist of?
[20:17] <jphilips> a call for volunteers to send in CSS files for a redesign is easily doable
[20:17] <knome> yes, but if you don't give any specs, then i'm not sure what gives.
[20:18] <jphilips> i don't have any specific specs, i'd leave it up to the CSS designers to create things they think is appealing
[20:19] <knome> i think the current documentation look is appealing enough for documentation
[20:19] <knome> :)
[20:23] <knome> the current website... well tbf, it's been in the need for a redesign for a bit.
[20:23] <jphilips> do you have time to work on the new homepage for the docs - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Aj_Wdj9Uq62Ju0bvjhz15NVdaI_SaAMo8xqdU9s67YE/edit
[20:23] <jphilips> your thoughts are in the 'Pasi' section
[20:24] <knome> indeed
[20:24] <knome> i mean... is there any progress since i commented?
[20:27] <jphilips> you and stephen disagreed with the flags concept, so a decision of what it would look like would need to be finalized
[20:29] <knome> i would again like to know, what's wrong with the current looks?
[20:29] <knome> i mean sure, maybe the languages could be visually separated a bit more, but other than that...
[20:29] <jphilips> we've removed all the text from the current page, so the homepage is just a language selector
[20:32] <knome> i think it's overkill to create a "country/language" selector as is like godaddy, but if you want to refresh the look of the language selector, the languages could be laid out like theirs
[20:37] <jphilips> could i leave it to you to design it as you feel it would best look
[20:53] <knome> i guess you can think you leave it to me, and then i forget because i don't think it's that important ;)
[20:54] <knome> but on a more serious note, maybe try filing an issue on github and assign me and maybe i'll get to it once i have time to work on the website stuff.
[21:01] <jphilips> created https://github.com/Xubuntu/xubuntu-docs/issues/9
[21:01] <ubot3> Issue 9 in Xubuntu/xubuntu-docs "Update main page of documentation" [Open]
[21:01] <jphilips> not sure how to assign it to someone
[21:02] <jphilips> knome: have you completed the 21.04 wallpaper?
[21:02] <knome> i haven't
[21:02] <knome> you need enough permissions to assign
[21:02] <jphilips> thought it must be that
[21:03] <knome> basically you must be either pleia2, skellat, Unit193 or bluesabre (fun ping-fest) :P
[22:39] <jphilips> wanted to let the team know that i've created a contributors telegram group who are currently ISO testing - https://t.me/XubuntuDevelopment
[23:29] <jphilips> bluesabre: did you ever get around to asking wimpy about tlp and powertop