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[13:33] <tsimonq2> Poking jobgenerator then cleaning up shop.
[13:35] <kc2bez[m]> Nice, thanks.
[13:35] <tsimonq2> Of course.
[13:35] <tsimonq2> Manually bringing node-2 online.
[13:36] <kc2bez[m]> @teward001 the bridge is repeating itself
[13:36] <tsimonq2> Echo
[13:36] <tsimonq2> XD
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[13:51] <tsimonq2> It's not to blame anyone, but when I was doing LXQt releases by myself, I made sure all the jobs passed before it hit the archive.
[13:51] <tsimonq2> What happened?
[13:52] <The_LoudSpeaker> we don't have an app to install fonts. 
[13:53] <The_LoudSpeaker> we can always put them in ~/.fonts and the appearance app will notice them but nothing pops up when I double click a font. 
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[13:53] <The_LoudSpeaker> something to add to wishlist?
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[13:54] <tsimonq2> <The_LoudSpeaker "something to add to wishlist?"> Please. Task and all.
[13:55] <The_LoudSpeaker> sare.
[13:55] <tsimonq2> I'm upgrading Lintian and debhelper on the Jenkins nodes so we get an accurate reading. Do we have a maintenance checklist or ... something ... somewhere I can add this to?
[13:56] <kc2bez[m]> <tsimonq2 "What happened?"> Noobs I guess. Nobody has been giving ci the love it needs. 
[13:56] <tsimonq2> It will now. ;)
[13:56] <The_LoudSpeaker> also tsimonq2, what was that about making jobs pass before hitting archive? e: context not found
[13:57] <The_LoudSpeaker> kc2bez[m]: CI is tough to love. :P
[13:58] <kc2bez[m]> <tsimonq2 "I'm upgrading Lintian and debhel"> I don't think so, maybe the ci wiki page?
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[14:00] <tsimonq2> Sounds about right.
[14:00] <tsimonq2> I'm going to manually up the executors on node-2 and poke it until it's all flushed through.
[14:00] <tsimonq2> I'll just be following the dependency order at that point.
[14:02] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T202: GUI app for installing fonts.] The_LoudSpeaker (Raman Sarda) just created this task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T202
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[14:16] <The_LoudSpeaker> also, we don't have a default camera app ?
[14:17] <The_LoudSpeaker> and trojita is seen twice. once under internet and once under office. should not be under office imo.
[14:22] <kc2bez[m]> 🤷‍♂️ Feel free to make a task for trojita. The desktop file just needs some adjustment. 
[14:23] <kc2bez[m]> I don't think we need an app for everything. 
[14:23] <kc2bez[m]> Do folks really use camera apps?
[14:24] <tsimonq2> It's like AAA. I don't know why I have it until I really really need to use it.
[14:24] <tsimonq2> We should have a "recommended solution" maybe in the manual or something, but yeah, by default we can keep it limited.
[14:25] <kc2bez[m]> <tsimonq2 "It's like AAA. I don't know why "> Hopefully the camera apps are more dependable. 
[14:25] <kc2bez[m]> XD
[14:26] <tsimonq2> >XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDd
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[14:48] <tsimonq2> Flushed jobs that were waiting for an executor to node-2. Going async for a trip to everyone's favorite, most exciting place in the world (the DMV).
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[15:09] <lubot> [telegram] <teward001> the duplicates on telegram happen i think when there's IRC stupidity going on heh
[15:09] <kc2bez[m]> gotcha
[15:09] <teward> TEST
[15:09] <lubot> [telegram] <teward001> there we go
[15:09] <lubot> [telegram] <teward001> single messages only on the telegram side :)
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[15:10] <kc2bez[m]> It just needed the @teward001 magic touch.
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[15:14] <lubot> [telegram] <teward001> heh it just needed a kick in the ass
[15:14] <kc2bez[m]> sometimes we all do
[15:15]  * kc2bez[m] makes more coffee
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[15:17] <lubot> [telegram] <teward001> well if one of you have 'lxd' lying around on your system I can get you set up with direct access to the LXD containers
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[15:17] <lubot> [telegram] <teward001> that way you can just lxd shell lubuntu-alt:matterbridge and reboot it
[15:18] <lubot> [telegram] <teward001> reboot the service*
[15:18] <lubot> [telegram] <teward001> and have access to CI as well
[15:21]  * kc2bez[m] looks down at lxd on the floor. 
[15:21] <kc2bez[m]> How did that get there?
[15:21] <kc2bez[m]> Sure, just make a super secret doc for us someplace so we can reference it I guess.
[15:22] <kc2bez[m]> Brain power is low today.
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[19:33] <lubot> [telegram] <teward001> *prods wxl with a stick*
[19:34] <wxl> get thee behind me, satan!
[19:34] <lubot> [telegram] <teward001> yep well it has to be supersecret since there's a PW in there I don't want shared lol (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <kc2bez[m]> Sure, just make a super secret doc for us someplace so we can reference it I guess.)
[19:34] <lubot> [telegram] <teward001> lol wxl
[20:34] <The_LoudSpeaker> RikMills: what app does KDE use for camera? I am guessing we can't add it to seed because it being a part of another package but maybe we can?
[20:34] <wxl> kamoso?
[20:34] <wxl> don't think we really need a camera app tho, do we?
[20:35] <The_LoudSpeaker> only in edge cases.
[20:35] <The_LoudSpeaker> but it's good to have.
[20:35] <RikMills> don't think we currently seed one
[20:35] <wxl> i'm disinclined towards it
[20:35] <The_LoudSpeaker> RikMills: kaay. we should ship it tho right? feels like a more complete offering on our end.
[20:36] <RikMills> dunno. camera apps tend to be bug magnets
[20:36] <The_LoudSpeaker> ^ wxl read last sentence here. 
[20:37] <wxl> The_LoudSpeaker: you could also argue that we'd have a more complete offering if we shipped mono, too
[20:37] <wxl> or wine
[20:37] <wxl> or…
[20:37] <The_LoudSpeaker> nope. coz not everyone uses that
[20:37] <wxl> and not everyone uses a camera app
[20:37]  * RikMills seeds the whole universe pocket for lubuntu
[20:37] <RikMills> now you are complete!
[20:38] <kc2bez[m]> It is all a `sudo apt install` away from being yours.
[20:38] <The_LoudSpeaker> people who might need a camera app >>>>> no of people that might use wine
[20:38] <wxl> i mean these days people use their camera ALL THE TIME and yet no camera app is needed
[20:39] <wxl> teleconferencing apps are what people need/use and for that, they get an app from the teleconferncing solution
[20:41] <The_LoudSpeaker> whatever. just wanted to point a small nitpick. offerring complete set of apps including multimedia and camera ones make gnome/KDE feel more polished than others imo.
[20:41] <wxl> did you not hear that kubuntu doesn't seed one?
[20:42] <wxl> and besides, we're not trying to be everything-including-an-industrial-size-kitchen-sink ubuntu
[20:42] <The_LoudSpeaker> okay then remove KDE from above sentence. what I said still holds.
[20:43] <wxl> you can honestly make an argument that ANYTHING that's not included is keeping us from being "complete"
[20:43] <wxl> but there's got to be a point where you draw the line
[20:43] <wxl> i'd say we need to focus on *essentials*. what things are being used by people constantly? 
[20:44] <The_LoudSpeaker> yes we are not. but we are trying to provide a lighter alternative for ubuntu. we should provide lighter alternatives for all apps that ubuntu provides imo. 
[20:44] <RikMills> what do you actually mean by 'camera app' anyway?
[20:44] <wxl> and i'm telling you, there are very, very few people that are using camera apps.
[20:44] <The_LoudSpeaker> cheese on ubuntu RikMills
[20:44] <wxl> ESPECIALLY in the day and age of cell phones
[20:45] <RikMills> gotcha.
[20:46] <RikMills> as said, webcam apps are bug magnets
[20:46] <wxl> feel free to poll the community and see how important it is. there are such things as discourse polls
[20:47] <RikMills> ship it, you support it
[20:47] <The_LoudSpeaker> yes. A discourse poll is a nice idea. 
[20:48] <The_LoudSpeaker> RikMills: yes. many apps are bug magnets. if we ship a camera app we will have to consider that.
[20:58] <wxl> The_LoudSpeaker: you may want to supplement the poll with a series of suggestions for appropriate applications and their relative pros and cons
[20:59] <The_LoudSpeaker> noted.