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| cpaelzer | hi jamespage sarnold ddstreet doko didrocks | 15:30 |
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| cpaelzer | #startmeeting Weekly Main Inclusion Requests status | 15:30 |
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| cpaelzer | #topic Review of previous action items | 15:31 |
| sarnold | good morning | 15:31 |
| cpaelzer | My action is to excuse myself being suddenly missing, but I was rather sick all of last week | 15:31 |
| cpaelzer | Ihope you were able to cover over that just fine | 15:31 |
| cpaelzer | if there were any real actions from last week let me know | 15:31 |
| cpaelzer | other than that we will give everyone a minute to realize it is meeting-time | 15:31 |
| cpaelzer | re-ping jamespage ddstreet doko didrocks | 15:31 |
| cpaelzer | and hi sarnold | 15:32 |
| sarnold | cpaelzer: alas there were only two of us last week, so nothing happened | 15:32 |
| sarnold | cpaelzer: I hope you're feeling better | 15:32 |
| ddstreet | o/ sorry | 15:32 |
| didrocks | hey | 15:33 |
| ddstreet | i have dual mtgs at this time each week, so i have to split my attention :) | 15:33 |
| cpaelzer | your 50% is often good enough | 15:33 |
| cpaelzer | as long as you can say yes to assigned tasks :-) | 15:34 |
| cpaelzer | ok let us get started here | 15:34 |
| cpaelzer | hoping to be more than the three of us :-) | 15:34 |
| cpaelzer | #topic current component mismatches | 15:34 |
| cpaelzer | #link https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches.svg | 15:34 |
| cpaelzer | we will nsee needrestart later anyway | 15:35 |
| didrocks | (4 of us?) | 15:35 |
| cpaelzer | oh you have the same color as sarnold has for me - sure 4 | 15:35 |
| cpaelzer | and hi didrocks | 15:35 |
| didrocks | o/ | 15:35 |
| cpaelzer | the real new content in mismatches are | 15:35 |
| cpaelzer | a) gnome-control-center -> power-profiles-daemon | 15:35 |
| cpaelzer | that sounds desktoppy - any opinion didrocks ? | 15:36 |
| didrocks | I can handle it, I did the NEW review already with MIR review mind | 15:36 |
| didrocks | I’ll ask seb to file it | 15:36 |
| cpaelzer | and b) libnotify (which according to http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/m-r-package-team-mapping.html also is desktop) | 15:36 |
| doko | o/ | 15:36 |
| cpaelzer | which depends on mor | 15:36 |
| cpaelzer | -> sugar -> sugar-toolkit-gtk3 and python-gwebsockets | 15:37 |
| cpaelzer | websockets sounds like an intense security review ... | 15:37 |
| doko | it's just a recommends | 15:37 |
| cpaelzer | didrocks: would you mind carrying that to the team for evaluation as well? | 15:37 |
| didrocks | (actually, forgot we did the MIR already, just seb didn’t subcribe us) | 15:37 |
| didrocks | I’ll look at it, but yeah, sounds big | 15:37 |
| cpaelzer | doko: which of the cases did you mean for "only a recommends" ? | 15:38 |
| cpaelzer | and still it needs to be sorted out, but it might be one of the simple "demote to suggests" cases | 15:38 |
| didrocks | yep, hoping that will work out functionally | 15:38 |
| cpaelzer | looking at the same in propoposed | 15:38 |
| cpaelzer | #link https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches-proposed.svg | 15:38 |
| cpaelzer | it is 3 weeks with abseil in this state now | 15:39 |
| cpaelzer | do we need to do anything about https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=981269 ? | 15:39 |
| ubottu | Debian bug 981269 in mozc "Use the shared abseil library which isn't ABI stable" [Normal,Open] | 15:39 |
| cpaelzer | for libbsd -> libmd - this one is on security atm. I know @sarnold you must be rather busy, but I guess libbsd is non debatable | 15:40 |
| didrocks | I asked multiple times about it and seb is tracking it, I think we let him proposing what to do | 15:40 |
| cpaelzer | therefore is there someone assigned to libmd from seucrity already ? | 15:40 |
| cpaelzer | ok didrocks for abseil | 15:40 |
| sarnold | cpaelzer: no, no one's assigned to review libmd, afaik we haven't discussed it further since you raised it recently | 15:41 |
| cpaelzer | IMHO @sarnold if you tihnk you can't make it happen you need to raise it with mclemenceau for emergency alternatives | 15:42 |
| cpaelzer | I'll leave it with you sarnold (not to do it, but to sort out an assignment and ETA to let mclemenceau know then) - ok ? | 15:42 |
| mclemenceau | thanks cpaelzer | 15:43 |
| sarnold | cpaelzer: ack, thanks | 15:43 |
| doko | cpaelzer, didrocks: libnotify recommends sugar | 15:44 |
| cpaelzer | thanks doko | 15:44 |
| cpaelzer | the last one I see here is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libdeflate/+bug/1908502 | 15:44 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1908502 in libdeflate (Ubuntu Hirsute) "[MIR] libdeflate" [Undecided,In progress] | 15:44 |
| cpaelzer | that seemed mostly ready and is in the hands of seb128 and didrocks | 15:44 |
| cpaelzer | I expect this is gone from mismatches next week didrocks, do you agree ? | 15:45 |
| didrocks | doko: merge error apparently, will be fixed | 15:45 |
| cpaelzer | thanks | 15:45 |
| cpaelzer | ok, nothing else in mismatches AFAICS | 15:45 |
| cpaelzer | #topic New MIRs | 15:45 |
| cpaelzer | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/?field.searchtext=&orderby=-date_last_updated&field.status%3Alist=NEW&assignee_option=none&field.assignee=&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir | 15:45 |
| doko | didrocks: yeah, I can understand that you don't want to have a delta. but keeping that in the current state in -proposed isn't helpful either | 15:46 |
| didrocks | cpaelzer: well, I can ask again | 15:46 |
| sarnold | ah, xnox just fiddled with the settings on nftables, no actual state change there | 15:46 |
| didrocks | doko: can you tell that to the uploader and not me? | 15:46 |
| cpaelzer | yeah sarnold, but we still need to make suerr in whicih field the ball is atm | 15:47 |
| didrocks | seems like all actions I have here are pending on other individual and not me, while I got asked for it… | 15:47 |
| cpaelzer | sarnold: on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nftables/+bug/1887187 | 15:47 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1887187 in nftables (Ubuntu) "[MIR] nftables" [Critical,New] | 15:47 |
| cpaelzer | let me try to summarize | 15:48 |
| cpaelzer | 1. opened by rbalint | 15:48 |
| doko | didrocks: so that would be gunnarhj? is he community? | 15:48 |
| didrocks | doko: he is | 15:48 |
| cpaelzer | 2. but then punted to security to complete/drive this (the filing not the review) | 15:48 |
| cpaelzer | => https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nftables/+bug/1887187/comments/4 | 15:48 |
| cpaelzer | 3. to reflect that we have assigned it to you in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nftables/+bug/1887187/comments/8 | 15:49 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1887187 in nftables (Ubuntu) "[MIR] nftables" [Critical,New] | 15:49 |
| cpaelzer | and now xnox fail-read this as waiting for review and did https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nftables/+bug/1887187/comments/9 | 15:49 |
| doko | didrocks: I can, but anybody else can do as well ;p | 15:49 |
| cpaelzer | but it wasn't waiting for review, it was waiting for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nftables/+bug/1887187/comments/4 to happe | 15:49 |
| didrocks | doko: I told this is a merge error and we will handle it | 15:49 |
| doko | ok, thanks | 15:50 |
| cpaelzer | doko: didrocks: thanks for sorting out that other case in parallel - It seems this will go fine and all is clear | 15:50 |
| cpaelzer | sarnold: are you (or any other security member) follow up on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nftables/+bug/1887187/comments/4 | 15:50 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1887187 in nftables (Ubuntu) "[MIR] nftables" [Critical,New] | 15:50 |
| cpaelzer | to quote "... I think the MIR preparations will be done by the Security Team, who will own nftables itself, too." | 15:50 |
| sarnold | cpaelzer: I can re-raise it at our next team meeting, but given $everything I can't imagine it'll be a priority for the team to push on this | 15:51 |
| seb128 | @deflate, I forwarded the comments to Debian, I'm unsure those issues should block the MIR, one is about a patch description being inacurrate, the other one about optimisation profile warnings that don't seem to have an impact | 15:51 |
| cpaelzer | ok sarnold, I'll update the bug accordingly and re-assign it to you for doing that | 15:52 |
| sarnold | cpaelzer: cool, thanks | 15:52 |
| cpaelzer | that should do it https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nftables/+bug/1887187/comments/10 | 15:53 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1887187 in nftables (Ubuntu) "[MIR] nftables" [Critical,New] | 15:53 |
| cpaelzer | #topic Incomplete bugs / questions | 15:53 |
| cpaelzer | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/?field.searchtext=&orderby=-date_last_updated&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir | 15:53 |
| cpaelzer | obviously https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/needrestart/+bug/1907422 | 15:53 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1907422 in needrestart (Ubuntu) "[MIR] needrestart + dependencies" [Undecided,Incomplete] | 15:53 |
| cpaelzer | we had plenty of MIR members doing reviews | 15:53 |
| cpaelzer | all of them LGTM, doko also found a great "why don't you use ..." and also got it answered by now | 15:54 |
| cpaelzer | the one task remaining is needrestart itslef atm being sorted out between ddstreet (reviewer) and sil2100 (to implement what was requested) | 15:54 |
| cpaelzer | I think that state is good for now and we can't do more atm | 15:55 |
| cpaelzer | thanks to all of you did your reviews! | 15:55 |
| cpaelzer | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libayatana-appindicator/+bug/1915695 is incompleted and sorted out between didrocks and seb128 which is ok (no current todo for us) | 15:55 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1915695 in libayatana-appindicator (Ubuntu) "[MIR] libayatana-appindicator" [Undecided,Incomplete] | 15:55 |
| cpaelzer | abseil we mentioned already | 15:55 |
| sarnold | heh "it's a very specific fruitcake" | 15:56 |
| cpaelzer | hehe | 15:56 |
| cpaelzer | the last recent/interesing one is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libftdi/+bug/1912371 | 15:56 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1912371 in libftdi (Ubuntu) "[MIR] flashrom + libftdi" [Undecided,Incomplete] | 15:56 |
| cpaelzer | doko: this went back to mclemenceau to opt-in to drive this further (or reject) | 15:56 |
| cpaelzer | could you ask him next time you speak with him so that it doesn't stay stuck in this state? | 15:57 |
| doko | ok, I'll chase that down | 15:57 |
| cpaelzer | thanks | 15:57 |
| cpaelzer | #topic Any other business? | 15:57 |
| cpaelzer | what did I miss ? | 15:57 |
| cpaelzer | ... nothing from me | 15:57 |
| didrocks | on libdeflate: the last blocker is the weird patch description, but what concerns me more is reflected by seb128 with what was raised in the debian bug report: "Removing the patch the package still builds fine, is the change still needed? What problem does it resolve exactly?", like we have a patch workarounding a failing test and we don’t have any idea if this is a valid case or not… | 15:57 |
| didrocks | That doesn’t sound confortable to maintain? But happy to set a ACK if this is fine to live with it for seb128 | 15:58 |
| seb128 | well, either we keep in sync with that one test disabled | 15:58 |
| seb128 | or we add a delta to re-enable the patch | 15:58 |
| seb128 | whatever MIR team decide is fine with me | 15:58 |
| didrocks | it’s up to you, but we all know that if we don’t investigate now, that will not happen post-MIR | 15:58 |
| seb128 | I prefer to be in sync if possible and the Debian maintainer doesn't reply | 15:59 |
| cpaelzer | ^^ ack to didrocks | 15:59 |
| seb128 | we can add the delta for now if that's the ask | 15:59 |
| cpaelzer | yeah that would be nice seb128 | 15:59 |
| seb128 | alright | 15:59 |
| seb128 | let me upload in a bit | 15:59 |
| cpaelzer | that should be all then for today ... ? | 15:59 |
| didrocks | sounds like it’s enough already :) | 15:59 |
| cpaelzer | oh yeah :-) | 16:00 |
| cpaelzer | see you all next week | 16:00 |
| cpaelzer | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
| meetingology | Meeting ended at 16:00:08 UTC. Minutes at https://new.ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2021/ubuntu-meeting.2021-03-09-15.30.moin.txt | 16:00 |
| seb128 | I fixed libnotify btw | 16:00 |
| sarnold | great, thanks cpaelzer, all :) | 16:00 |
| didrocks | seb128: yeah, I mentioned it to doko, thanks! | 16:00 |
| seb128 | our recommends tweak hack for half reverted by error in the previous merge | 16:00 |
| seb128 | np, sorry for the mistake | 16:00 |
| cyphermox | o/ | 19:58 |
| sil2100 | o/ | 19:58 |
| xnox | sarnold: cpaelzer: what can i say! your willcommen P-)))))) | 20:02 |
| sil2100 | Ok, I see that both Steve and Marc won't make it - let's stay around to see if we're still able to get quorum | 20:03 |
| sarnold | xnox: schade das tu zwei yzik butcher :) | 20:03 |
| rbasak | o/ | 20:04 |
| rbasak | I think we're quorate if we don't count sabfl? | 20:05 |
| sil2100 | I guess so, hm | 20:11 |
| sil2100 | Let me start then | 20:11 |
| sil2100 | #startmeeting Technical Board Meeting | 20:11 |
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| sil2100 | #topic Apologies | 20:11 |
| sil2100 | Marc and Steve sent apologies regarding missing today's meeting | 20:12 |
| sil2100 | I don't think there's anything else | 20:12 |
| sil2100 | #topic Action review | 20:12 |
| sil2100 | ACTION: Wimpress To follow-up on-list with design review to address MATE Boutique security/consent concerns. | 20:12 |
| sil2100 | Wimpress: hello! Re-poking again! ^ | 20:13 |
| sil2100 | Ok, let's carry it over | 20:14 |
| sil2100 | #action Wimpress To follow-up on-list with design review to address MATE Boutique security/consent concerns. | 20:14 |
| meetingology | ACTION: Wimpress To follow-up on-list with design review to address MATE Boutique security/consent concerns. | 20:14 |
| sil2100 | ACTION: vorlon to circle around with store, snapcraft, et all, and revise the snap source revision policy to be more clear with regards to rebuildability and GPL compliance. | 20:14 |
| sil2100 | And the related ACTION: formal ratification of third party seeded snap security policy, depends on: | 20:15 |
| sil2100 | vorlon is away today, so let's carry it over | 20:15 |
| sil2100 | #action formal ratification of third party seeded snap security policy, depends on: | 20:15 |
| meetingology | ACTION: formal ratification of third party seeded snap security policy, depends on: | 20:15 |
| sil2100 | #action vorlon to circle around with store, snapcraft, et all, and revise the snap source revision policy to be more clear with regards to rebuildability and GPL compliance. | 20:15 |
| meetingology | ACTION: vorlon to circle around with store, snapcraft, et all, and revise the snap source revision policy to be more clear with regards to rebuildability and GPL compliance. | 20:15 |
| sil2100 | Same for the next one | 20:15 |
| sil2100 | #action vorlon to reply to seeded snap upload permissions question on list | 20:15 |
| meetingology | ACTION: vorlon to reply to seeded snap upload permissions question on list | 20:15 |
| sil2100 | ACTION: sil2100 to start a draft summarizing the OEM archive portion of the meeting which xnox and TB will review, edit, and ratify before we move on to figuring out the next step | 20:15 |
| sil2100 | Ok, so apologies, but I did not get around this one yet, sadly | 20:16 |
| cyphermox | ok | 20:16 |
| sil2100 | Let me carry it over | 20:16 |
| sil2100 | I have it on my TODO list tho! | 20:16 |
| sil2100 | #action sil2100 to start a draft summarizing the OEM archive portion of the meeting which xnox and TB will review, edit, and ratify before we move on to figuring out the next step | 20:16 |
| meetingology | ACTION: sil2100 to start a draft summarizing the OEM archive portion of the meeting which xnox and TB will review, edit, and ratify before we move on to figuring out the next step | 20:16 |
| sil2100 | ACTION: vorlon to update the list for Thunderbird update (https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2021/01/26/%23ubuntu-meeting.html#t20:22) | 20:17 |
| sil2100 | Does anyone know if that happened? | 20:17 |
| rbasak | I don't think so | 20:17 |
| rbasak | AIUI he wanted to update the list with his viewpoint | 20:17 |
| rbasak | Apart from that the TB side of Thunderbird is done I think | 20:17 |
| sil2100 | Ok, let's carry over then | 20:19 |
| sil2100 | #action vorlon to update the list for Thunderbird update (https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2021/01/26/%23ubuntu-meeting.html#t20:22) | 20:19 |
| meetingology | ACTION: vorlon to update the list for Thunderbird update (https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2021/01/26/%23ubuntu-meeting.html#t20:22) | 20:19 |
| sil2100 | ACTION: sil2100 to discuss with release team where to document decisions about LTS status of flavors (prior to release notes creation late in cycle) | 20:19 |
| sil2100 | So I updated the release processes to include information on where we put the LTS status of flavors, so that now we put it on the release schedule early | 20:20 |
| sil2100 | But I'd still like to leave the action item as I'd still like to talk to Iain about this, as he had some question about the actual process | 20:20 |
| sil2100 | So yeah, I'll carry it over and reach out to him | 20:21 |
| sil2100 | #action sil2100 to discuss with release team where to document decisions about LTS status of flavors (prior to release notes creation late in cycle) | 20:21 |
| meetingology | ACTION: sil2100 to discuss with release team where to document decisions about LTS status of flavors (prior to release notes creation late in cycle) | 20:21 |
| sil2100 | #topic Check up on community bugs (standing item) | 20:22 |
| sil2100 | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-community/+bugs?field.assignee=techboard | 20:22 |
| sil2100 | No bugs I see o/ | 20:22 |
| sil2100 | #topic Scan the mailing list archive for anything we missed (standing item) | 20:22 |
| sil2100 | I don't think there are any actions from the ML, from what I see in my mailbox at least | 20:24 |
| sil2100 | #topi aob | 20:24 |
| sil2100 | #topic aob | 20:24 |
| sil2100 | Do we have anything for today? | 20:25 |
| cyphermox | I don't have anything | 20:25 |
| rbasak | Nothing from me | 20:26 |
| rbasak | Thank you for chairing! | 20:26 |
| sil2100 | o/ | 20:27 |
| sil2100 | #topic Select a chair for the next meeting (next from https://launchpad.net/~techboard/+members) | 20:27 |
| sil2100 | #info next chair will be mdeslaur, with cyphermox as backup | 20:28 |
| sil2100 | #endmeeting | 20:28 |
| meetingology | Meeting ended at 20:28:13 UTC. Minutes at https://new.ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2021/ubuntu-meeting.2021-03-09-20.11.moin.txt | 20:28 |
| sil2100 | Thank you everyone! | 20:28 |
| cyphermox | o/ | 20:28 |
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