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[15:30] <cpaelzer> hi jamespage sarnold ddstreet doko didrocks
[15:30] <cpaelzer> #startmeeting Weekly Main Inclusion Requests status
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[15:31] <cpaelzer> #topic Review of previous action items
[15:31] <sarnold> good morning
[15:31] <cpaelzer> My action is to excuse myself being suddenly missing, but I was rather sick all of last week
[15:31] <cpaelzer> Ihope you were able to cover over that just fine
[15:31] <cpaelzer> if there were any real actions from last week let me know
[15:31] <cpaelzer> other than that we will give everyone a minute to realize it is meeting-time
[15:31] <cpaelzer> re-ping jamespage ddstreet doko didrocks
[15:32] <cpaelzer> and hi sarnold
[15:32] <sarnold> cpaelzer: alas there were only two of us last week, so nothing happened
[15:32] <sarnold> cpaelzer: I hope you're feeling better
[15:32] <ddstreet> o/ sorry
[15:33] <didrocks> hey
[15:33] <ddstreet> i have dual mtgs at this time each week, so i have to split my attention :)
[15:33] <cpaelzer> your 50% is often good enough
[15:34] <cpaelzer> as long as you can say yes to assigned tasks :-)
[15:34] <cpaelzer> ok let us get started here
[15:34] <cpaelzer> hoping to be more than the three of us :-)
[15:34] <cpaelzer> #topic current component mismatches
[15:34] <cpaelzer> #link https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches.svg
[15:35] <cpaelzer> we will nsee needrestart later anyway
[15:35] <didrocks> (4 of us?)
[15:35] <cpaelzer> oh you have the same color as sarnold has for me - sure 4
[15:35] <cpaelzer> and hi didrocks
[15:35] <didrocks> o/
[15:35] <cpaelzer> the real new content in mismatches are
[15:35] <cpaelzer> a) gnome-control-center -> power-profiles-daemon
[15:36] <cpaelzer> that sounds desktoppy - any opinion didrocks ?
[15:36] <didrocks> I can handle it, I did the NEW review already with MIR review mind
[15:36] <didrocks> I’ll ask seb to file it
[15:36] <cpaelzer> and b) libnotify (which according to http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/m-r-package-team-mapping.html also is desktop)
[15:36] <doko> o/
[15:36] <cpaelzer> which depends on mor
[15:37] <cpaelzer> -> sugar -> sugar-toolkit-gtk3 and python-gwebsockets
[15:37] <cpaelzer> websockets sounds like an intense security review ...
[15:37] <doko> it's just a recommends
[15:37] <cpaelzer> didrocks: would you mind carrying that to the team for evaluation as well?
[15:37] <didrocks> (actually, forgot we did the MIR already, just seb didn’t subcribe us)
[15:37] <didrocks> I’ll look at it, but yeah, sounds big
[15:38] <cpaelzer> doko: which of the cases did you mean for "only a recommends" ?
[15:38] <cpaelzer> and still it needs to be sorted out, but it might be one of the simple "demote to suggests" cases
[15:38] <didrocks> yep, hoping that will work out functionally
[15:38] <cpaelzer> looking at the same in propoposed
[15:38] <cpaelzer> #link https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches-proposed.svg
[15:39] <cpaelzer> it is 3 weeks with abseil in this state now
[15:39] <cpaelzer> do we need to do anything about https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=981269 ?
[15:39] <ubottu> Debian bug 981269 in mozc "Use the shared abseil library which isn't ABI stable" [Normal,Open]
[15:40] <cpaelzer> for libbsd -> libmd - this one is on security atm. I know @sarnold you must be rather busy, but I guess libbsd is non debatable
[15:40] <didrocks> I asked multiple times about it and seb is tracking it, I think we let him proposing what to do
[15:40] <cpaelzer> therefore is there someone assigned to libmd from seucrity already ?
[15:40] <cpaelzer> ok didrocks for abseil
[15:41] <sarnold> cpaelzer: no, no one's assigned to review libmd, afaik we haven't discussed it further since you raised it recently
[15:42] <cpaelzer> IMHO @sarnold if you tihnk you can't make it happen you need to raise it with mclemenceau for emergency alternatives
[15:42] <cpaelzer> I'll leave it with you sarnold (not to do it, but to sort out an assignment and ETA to let mclemenceau know then) - ok ?
[15:43] <mclemenceau> thanks cpaelzer
[15:43] <sarnold> cpaelzer: ack, thanks
[15:44] <doko> cpaelzer, didrocks: libnotify recommends sugar
[15:44] <cpaelzer> thanks doko
[15:44] <cpaelzer> the last one I see here is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libdeflate/+bug/1908502
[15:44] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1908502 in libdeflate (Ubuntu Hirsute) "[MIR] libdeflate" [Undecided,In progress]
[15:44] <cpaelzer> that seemed mostly ready and is in the hands of  seb128 and didrocks
[15:45] <cpaelzer> I expect this is gone from mismatches next week didrocks, do you agree ?
[15:45] <didrocks> doko: merge error apparently, will be fixed
[15:45] <cpaelzer> thanks
[15:45] <cpaelzer> ok, nothing else in mismatches AFAICS
[15:45] <cpaelzer> #topic New MIRs
[15:45] <cpaelzer> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/?field.searchtext=&orderby=-date_last_updated&field.status%3Alist=NEW&assignee_option=none&field.assignee=&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir
[15:46] <doko> didrocks: yeah, I can understand that you don't want to have a delta. but keeping that in the current state in -proposed isn't helpful either
[15:46] <didrocks> cpaelzer: well, I can ask again
[15:46] <sarnold> ah, xnox just fiddled with the settings on nftables, no actual state change there
[15:46] <didrocks> doko: can you tell that to the uploader and not me?
[15:47] <cpaelzer> yeah sarnold, but we still need to make suerr in whicih field the ball is atm
[15:47] <didrocks> seems like all actions I have here are pending on other individual and not me, while I got asked for it…
[15:47] <cpaelzer> sarnold: on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nftables/+bug/1887187
[15:47] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1887187 in nftables (Ubuntu) "[MIR] nftables" [Critical,New]
[15:48] <cpaelzer> let me try to summarize
[15:48] <cpaelzer> 1. opened by rbalint
[15:48] <doko> didrocks: so that would be gunnarhj? is he community?
[15:48] <didrocks> doko: he is
[15:48] <cpaelzer> 2. but then punted to security to complete/drive this (the filing not the review)
[15:48] <cpaelzer> => https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nftables/+bug/1887187/comments/4
[15:49] <cpaelzer> 3. to reflect that we have assigned it to you in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nftables/+bug/1887187/comments/8
[15:49] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1887187 in nftables (Ubuntu) "[MIR] nftables" [Critical,New]
[15:49] <cpaelzer> and now xnox fail-read this as waiting for review and did https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nftables/+bug/1887187/comments/9
[15:49] <doko> didrocks: I can, but anybody else can do as well ;p
[15:49] <cpaelzer> but it wasn't waiting for review, it was waiting for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nftables/+bug/1887187/comments/4 to happe
[15:49] <didrocks> doko: I told this is a merge error and we will handle it
[15:50] <doko> ok, thanks
[15:50] <cpaelzer> doko:  didrocks: thanks for sorting out that other case in parallel - It seems this will go fine and all is clear
[15:50] <cpaelzer> sarnold: are you (or any other security member) follow up on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nftables/+bug/1887187/comments/4
[15:50] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1887187 in nftables (Ubuntu) "[MIR] nftables" [Critical,New]
[15:50] <cpaelzer> to quote "... I think the MIR preparations will be done by the Security Team, who will own nftables itself, too."
[15:51] <sarnold> cpaelzer: I can re-raise it at our next team meeting, but given $everything I can't imagine it'll be a priority for the team to push on this
[15:51] <seb128> @deflate, I forwarded the comments to Debian, I'm unsure those issues should block the MIR, one is about a patch description being inacurrate, the other one about optimisation profile warnings that don't seem to have an impact
[15:52] <cpaelzer> ok sarnold, I'll update the bug accordingly and re-assign it to you for doing that
[15:52] <sarnold> cpaelzer: cool, thanks
[15:53] <cpaelzer> that should do it https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nftables/+bug/1887187/comments/10
[15:53] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1887187 in nftables (Ubuntu) "[MIR] nftables" [Critical,New]
[15:53] <cpaelzer> #topic Incomplete bugs / questions
[15:53] <cpaelzer> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/?field.searchtext=&orderby=-date_last_updated&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir
[15:53] <cpaelzer> obviously https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/needrestart/+bug/1907422
[15:53] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1907422 in needrestart (Ubuntu) "[MIR] needrestart + dependencies" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[15:53] <cpaelzer> we had plenty of MIR members doing reviews
[15:54] <cpaelzer> all of them LGTM, doko also found a great "why don't you use ..." and also got it answered by now
[15:54] <cpaelzer> the one task remaining is  needrestart itslef atm being sorted out between ddstreet (reviewer) and sil2100 (to implement what was requested)
[15:55] <cpaelzer> I think that state is good for now and we can't do more atm
[15:55] <cpaelzer> thanks to all of you did your reviews!
[15:55] <cpaelzer> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libayatana-appindicator/+bug/1915695 is incompleted and sorted out between didrocks and seb128 which is ok (no current todo for us)
[15:55] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1915695 in libayatana-appindicator (Ubuntu) "[MIR] libayatana-appindicator" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[15:55] <cpaelzer> abseil we mentioned already
[15:56] <sarnold> heh "it's a very specific fruitcake"
[15:56] <cpaelzer> hehe
[15:56] <cpaelzer> the last recent/interesing one is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libftdi/+bug/1912371
[15:56] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1912371 in libftdi (Ubuntu) "[MIR] flashrom + libftdi" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[15:56] <cpaelzer> doko: this went back to mclemenceau to opt-in to drive this further (or reject)
[15:57] <cpaelzer> could you ask him next time you speak with him so that it doesn't stay stuck in this state?
[15:57] <doko> ok, I'll chase that down
[15:57] <cpaelzer> thanks
[15:57] <cpaelzer> #topic Any other business?
[15:57] <cpaelzer> what did I miss ?
[15:57] <cpaelzer> ... nothing from me
[15:57] <didrocks> on libdeflate: the last blocker is the weird patch description, but what concerns me more is reflected by seb128 with what was raised in the debian bug report: "Removing the patch the package still builds fine, is the change still needed? What problem does it resolve exactly?", like we have a patch workarounding a failing test and we don’t have any idea if this is a valid case or not…
[15:58] <didrocks> That doesn’t sound confortable to maintain? But happy to set a ACK if this is fine to live with it for seb128
[15:58] <seb128> well, either we keep in sync with that one test disabled
[15:58] <seb128> or we add a delta to re-enable the patch
[15:58] <seb128> whatever MIR team decide is fine with me
[15:58] <didrocks> it’s up to you, but we all know that if we don’t investigate now, that will not happen post-MIR
[15:59] <seb128> I prefer to be in sync if possible and the Debian maintainer doesn't reply
[15:59] <cpaelzer> ^^ ack to didrocks
[15:59] <seb128> we can add the delta for now if that's the ask
[15:59] <cpaelzer> yeah that would be nice seb128
[15:59] <seb128> alright
[15:59] <seb128> let me upload in a bit
[15:59] <cpaelzer> that should be all then for today ... ?
[15:59] <didrocks> sounds like it’s enough already :)
[16:00] <cpaelzer> oh yeah :-)
[16:00] <cpaelzer> see you all next week
[16:00] <cpaelzer> #endmeeting
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[16:00] <seb128> I fixed libnotify btw
[16:00] <sarnold> great, thanks cpaelzer, all :)
[16:00] <didrocks> seb128: yeah, I mentioned it to doko, thanks!
[16:00] <seb128> our recommends tweak hack for half reverted by error in the previous merge
[16:00] <seb128> np, sorry for the mistake
[19:58] <cyphermox> o/
[19:58] <sil2100> o/
[20:02] <xnox> sarnold:  cpaelzer: what can i say! your willcommen P-))))))
[20:03] <sil2100> Ok, I see that both Steve and Marc won't make it - let's stay around to see if we're still able to get quorum
[20:03] <sarnold> xnox: schade das tu zwei yzik butcher :)
[20:04] <rbasak> o/
[20:05] <rbasak> I think we're quorate if we don't count sabfl?
[20:11] <sil2100> I guess so, hm
[20:11] <sil2100> Let me start then
[20:11] <sil2100> #startmeeting Technical Board Meeting
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[20:11] <sil2100> #topic Apologies
[20:12] <sil2100> Marc and Steve sent apologies regarding missing today's meeting
[20:12] <sil2100> I don't think there's anything else
[20:12] <sil2100> #topic Action review
[20:12] <sil2100> ACTION: Wimpress To follow-up on-list with design review to address MATE Boutique security/consent concerns.
[20:13] <sil2100> Wimpress: hello! Re-poking again! ^
[20:14] <sil2100> Ok, let's carry it over
[20:14] <sil2100> #action Wimpress To follow-up on-list with design review to address MATE Boutique security/consent concerns.
[20:14] <meetingology> ACTION: Wimpress To follow-up on-list with design review to address MATE Boutique security/consent concerns.
[20:14] <sil2100> ACTION: vorlon to circle around with store, snapcraft, et all, and revise the snap source revision policy to be more clear with regards to rebuildability and GPL compliance.
[20:15] <sil2100> And the related ACTION: formal ratification of third party seeded snap security policy, depends on:
[20:15] <sil2100> vorlon is away today, so let's carry it over
[20:15] <sil2100> #action formal ratification of third party seeded snap security policy, depends on:
[20:15] <meetingology> ACTION: formal ratification of third party seeded snap security policy, depends on:
[20:15] <sil2100> #action vorlon to circle around with store, snapcraft, et all, and revise the snap source revision policy to be more clear with regards to rebuildability and GPL compliance.
[20:15] <meetingology> ACTION: vorlon to circle around with store, snapcraft, et all, and revise the snap source revision policy to be more clear with regards to rebuildability and GPL compliance.
[20:15] <sil2100> Same for the next one
[20:15] <sil2100> #action vorlon to reply to seeded snap upload permissions question on list
[20:15] <meetingology> ACTION: vorlon to reply to seeded snap upload permissions question on list
[20:15] <sil2100> ACTION: sil2100 to start a draft summarizing the OEM archive portion of the meeting which xnox and TB will review, edit, and ratify before we move on to figuring out the next step
[20:16] <sil2100> Ok, so apologies, but I did not get around this one yet, sadly
[20:16] <cyphermox> ok
[20:16] <sil2100> Let me carry it over
[20:16] <sil2100> I have it on my TODO list tho!
[20:16] <sil2100> #action sil2100 to start a draft summarizing the OEM archive portion of the meeting which xnox and TB will review, edit, and ratify before we move on to figuring out the next step
[20:16] <meetingology> ACTION: sil2100 to start a draft summarizing the OEM archive portion of the meeting which xnox and TB will review, edit, and ratify before we move on to figuring out the next step
[20:17] <sil2100> ACTION: vorlon to update the list for Thunderbird update (https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2021/01/26/%23ubuntu-meeting.html#t20:22)
[20:17] <sil2100> Does anyone know if that happened?
[20:17] <rbasak> I don't think so
[20:17] <rbasak> AIUI he wanted to update the list with his viewpoint
[20:17] <rbasak> Apart from that the TB side of Thunderbird is done I think
[20:19] <sil2100> Ok, let's carry over then
[20:19] <sil2100> #action vorlon to update the list for Thunderbird update (https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2021/01/26/%23ubuntu-meeting.html#t20:22)
[20:19] <meetingology> ACTION: vorlon to update the list for Thunderbird update (https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2021/01/26/%23ubuntu-meeting.html#t20:22)
[20:19] <sil2100> ACTION: sil2100 to discuss with release team where to document decisions about LTS status of flavors (prior to release notes creation late in cycle)
[20:20] <sil2100> So I updated the release processes to include information on where we put the LTS status of flavors, so that now we put it on the release schedule early
[20:20] <sil2100> But I'd still like to leave the action item as I'd still like to talk to Iain about this, as he had some question about the actual process
[20:21] <sil2100> So yeah, I'll carry it over and reach out to him
[20:21] <sil2100> #action sil2100 to discuss with release team where to document decisions about LTS status of flavors (prior to release notes creation late in cycle)
[20:21] <meetingology> ACTION: sil2100 to discuss with release team where to document decisions about LTS status of flavors (prior to release notes creation late in cycle)
[20:22] <sil2100> #topic Check up on community bugs (standing item)
[20:22] <sil2100> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-community/+bugs?field.assignee=techboard
[20:22] <sil2100> No bugs I see o/
[20:22] <sil2100> #topic Scan the mailing list archive for anything we missed (standing item)
[20:24] <sil2100> I don't think there are any actions from the ML, from what I see in my mailbox at least
[20:24] <sil2100> #topi aob
[20:24] <sil2100> #topic aob
[20:25] <sil2100> Do we have anything for today?
[20:25] <cyphermox> I don't have anything
[20:26] <rbasak> Nothing from me
[20:26] <rbasak> Thank you for chairing!
[20:27] <sil2100> o/
[20:27] <sil2100> #topic Select a chair for the next meeting (next from https://launchpad.net/~techboard/+members)
[20:28] <sil2100> #info next chair will be mdeslaur, with cyphermox as backup
[20:28] <sil2100> #endmeeting
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[20:28] <sil2100> Thank you everyone!
[20:28] <cyphermox> o/