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didrocksgood morning06:40
jibelGood morning06:41
dufluMorning didrocks and jibel 06:55
oSoMoNgood morning desktoppers06:56
didrocksHey duflu, salut oSoMoN 06:56
oSoMoNsalut didrocks 06:57
jibelHi duflu oSoMoN 06:58
oSoMoNsalut jibel 06:59
dufluMorning oSoMoN 07:05
oSoMoNhey duflu 07:18
ricotzgood morning desktopers07:41
didrockshey ricotz 07:46
dufluMorning ricotz 07:51
marcustomlinsonmorning didrocks jibel duflu oSoMoN ricotz08:25
dufluHi marcustomlinson 08:26
marcustomlinsonricotz: sorry I only saw your message this morning. I'll sponsor those for you in a moment08:26
jibelHi marcustomlinson 08:26
ricotzhey oSoMoN didrocks duflu marcustomlinson jibel 08:31
ricotzmarcustomlinson, thank you08:31
jibelHi ricotz 08:34
seb128goood morning desktopers08:40
dufluMorning seb128 08:40
marcustomlinsonhey seb12808:40
jibelSalut seb128 08:40
seb128hey duflu, marcustomlinson, jibel, how are you?08:41
jameshhi seb128, marcustomlinson, and everyone else08:41
marcustomlinsonhey jamesh08:41
seb128hey jamesh 08:41
dufluseb128, bisecting another shell regression so not fun. Otherwise fine. How are you seb128 ?08:41
seb128duflu, distro one again or upstream now?08:41
dufluseb128, ubuntu-only08:41
seb128got slightly more sleep but I got woken up at 5:30am again, I hate it :-(08:42
seb128duflu, :-(08:42
seb128I'm curious to know what we broke, let us know when you figure out08:42
jibelin a qemu VM on first boot, after login on wayland I cannot click on anything, but it works after a logout/login. Is it a known issue? 08:43
dufluseb128, it appears to be a fix for one of the previous shell regressions that caused this new one08:43
seb128jibel, is that was is breaking the daily ISO promotion?08:43
duflubug 191887408:43
ubot5bug 1918874 in mutter (Ubuntu) "Application windows appear over the icon grid" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/191887408:43
seb128duflu, ^ do you know that one from jibel?08:44
seb128I fixed the ISO warning on https://people.canonical.com/~platform/desktop/desktop-packages.html now, it was checking the dir before and arm64 ISO were updated08:44
jibelseb128, no08:44
dufluNot really. People report a couple of times per year that they can't click on app windows only. But it's rare08:45
seb128now it displays it properly, 'the current amd64 ISO is outdated (51 days old)'08:45
dufluOh, jibel using Nvidia?08:45
seb128shrug, that's quite outdated :/08:45
seb128duflu, does it make a difference for qemu instances what driver the system is using?08:45
dufluOops, in a VM is probably not Nvidia08:45
jibelduflu, no in a VM08:46
jibeland the host is full intel08:46
duflujibel, can you click on the shell even?08:47
jibelduflu, no, on mouse over it detects that the pointer is over an element because it highlights for example in the dock, but I cannot click on it08:47
jibellike these old ghost window bugs08:48
dufluWeird. Sounds like it might be related to the input thread for Wayland introduced in mutter 3.38.3-3ubuntu108:48
jibelI'll file a bug08:49
seb128jibel, any idea when that started? do you have a some weeks old iso to see if that's a regression from the recent changes?08:54
jibelseb128, not really, I noticed it yesterday when I installed a new VM to test zfs stuff09:00
jibelhi Laney 09:03
dufluHi Laney09:03
Laneysup jibel duflu 09:05
seb128hey Laney09:09
Laneyyo seb128 09:13
marcustomlinsonhey Laney09:45
Laneyhey marcustomlinson 10:04
seb128jibel, did you have any chance to poke at the outdated daily current iso yet?10:58
jibelseb128, I am on it but static validation fails for some reason today10:59
jibelseb128, meanwhile I manually verified and promoted latest iso10:59
jibelseb128, automated test are failing because the size of the image increased and the target disk is too small11:07
seb128we need to land that KPI11:07
jibelseb128, I connected to libvirt, watched the installation and the error message is displayed by ubiquity11:08
seb128could you give me some details on how to connect to libvirt to do that? so next I might be able to poke myself11:09
seb128also where is the setup defined if we need to bump the disk allocated?11:09
jibelstart virt-manager and create a connection to the server ofver ssh11:10
jibelwhere the disk size is set is a bit more mysterious at the moment :)11:10
seb128which server? 11:10
seb128sorry, I've close to 0 knowledge of that infra11:10
Laneythere's a host which runs VMs for this testing in the DC, it's called venonat.ubuntu-ci11:24
jibeleven after increasing the disk size it stops on stage "prepare" like something is missing from the seed11:34
jibelseb128, I think bug 1895351 caused the issue with the seed 11:36
ubot5bug 1895351 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Hirsute) "prepare plugin does not run in automatic mode" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/189535111:36
jibelnow I've to find where the seed is hidden and add the 2 new settings11:37
jibelseb128, tests are green again after preseeding use_nonfree and install_oem12:24
seb128jibel, great, thanks for fixing it!12:35
seb128hey there!14:30
seb128#startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2021-03-1614:31
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seb128Roll call:  didrocks, duflu (out), jamesh (out), jibel, kenvandine, laney, marcustomlinson, oSoMoN, tkamppeter, trevinho, robert_ancell (out), hellsworth14:31
seb128(sorry was struggling to promote the bot so it can update the topic)14:32
seb128I hope everyone is doing fine!14:32
jibel /o\14:32
seb128don't be sad jibel!14:32
seb128sounds like we don't have much people around, another reminder to reply to L'aney's email :p14:33
seb128let's get started anyway14:33
seb128#topic rls-hh-bug14:33
seb128the shell ones are being handled, first got fixed by the gjs revert14:34
seb128the other one duflu is on it14:34
Laneythey should be assigned then or at least untagged?14:34
seb128bug #1916881 we discussed previous week, Olivier commented14:34
ubot5bug 1916881 in thunderbird (Ubuntu) "Thunderbird unable to access external pgp keys" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/191688114:34
seb128Laney, the first one probably untagged since it's fixed from the gjs side14:34
oSoMoNlet's untag the thunderbird issue and assign to me14:35
seb128bug #191887414:35
ubot5bug 1918874 in gnome-shell-extension-ubuntu-dock (Ubuntu) "[regression] Application windows appear over the icon grid when Ubuntu Dock or Dash To Dock is loaded" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/191887414:35
seb128Trevinho, another one due to the input changes, it's time we revert as agreed?14:36
seb128I know you care about doing the right thing but it has proven to create enough disruption, we at least found problems, now we can fix them for next cycle14:37
seb128unsure he's around so I'm going to move on, we can discuss that after the meeting14:37
seb128those are assigned14:38
seb128#topic rls-gg-bug14:38
seb128(bot still not changing the topic so I guess that was not a permission issue)14:38
seb128I notfixing the libreoffice one14:39
Laney(no, the topic isn't locked anyway)14:39
seb128and the thunderbird one as well14:39
seb128bug #1914374 I wontfixed the ubuntu-drivers-common/groovy entry now14:40
ubot5bug 1914374 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Multiple issues on HP ZBook 15 G7 after installing 20.04.2 image" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/191437414:40
seb128and that's it for this list14:40
seb128#topic rls-ff-bug14:40
seb128thunderbird only which is handled14:40
seb128those are either assigned or fix commited14:41
seb128#topic rls-bb-bug14:41
seb128no desktop there14:41
seb128those are either assigned or fix commited14:41
seb128that's it for bugs14:41
seb128#topic update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages14:42
Laneylooks quite good!14:42
seb128firefox/thunderbird are blocked due to rust/s390x which foundations is actively working on fixing from what I saw today14:42
seb128calculator is my fault, another of the new tests not liking being offline14:42
Laneyfirefox looks like it's in NEW to me14:42
seb128I need to figure out how to properly setup things to be able to test that before upload14:43
Laneylet me take a look at that one14:43
Laneyah yeah s390x14:43
seb128and webkit2gtk is ruby webkit segfault, which I upstreamed but didn't a reply on yet14:43
seb128and that's it14:43
seb128#topic AOB14:44
seb128anything else?14:44
Trevinhoseb128: sorry, on that bug that's not a regression due to the input changes, it's due to 3.38.x base, there's a PR upstream I wanted to look at14:44
Trevinhoso we need to fix in dashtodock, mutter isn't faulty here.14:44
seb128Trevinho, duflu disagrees, he bisected to a commit if you see the bug14:44
seb128but right, needs to be fixed in dashtodock, Daniel agrees on that part14:45
Trevinhomh, I want to check, but I'm sure there's a fix on the dock side I wanted to pick anyways14:45
Trevinhoand since the dock doesn't fit with 40 anyways, I assume was present still14:45
seb128version says our dock is one version behind upstream, unsure if there are other changes worth getting14:45
Trevinhosince was proposed by non-ubuntu users14:45
Laneyubuntu dock is still at the same version as in groovy, so how did something in mutter break it?14:45
TrevinhoI think it's the shell side in fact, but whatever... There's a fix upstream and I'll pick it.14:46
Trevinhoonce I've finally reviewed14:46
TrevinhoI mean https://github.com/micheleg/dash-to-dock/pull/136914:47
Trevinhoand the issue comes up only on wayland I think, reason why wasn't noticed?14:47
seb128k, let's discuss that post meeting, no point holding everyone (if anyone is really sticking to wait :p)14:48
Trevinhoseb128: regarding versions back or forth, I think the ubuntu branch of the dock was still including the commits that ended up in the upstream one, more or less14:48
seb128anything else?14:48
Trevinhosure, sure... I was done, just wanted to mention it.14:48
didrocks999nothing for me :)14:49
oSoMoNnothing from me either14:49
seb128k, let's wrap then14:49
seb128thanks desktoppers!14:49
meetingologyMeeting ended at 14:49:46 UTC.  Minutes at https://new.ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2021/ubuntu-desktop.2021-03-16-14.31.moin.txt14:49
didrocks999thanks everyone14:49
marcustomlinsonthanks seb14:49
seb128people knowing about IRC bots, do we have one around we can easily patch to handle team specific things?14:50
Laneygreat meeting, one of the classics14:50
LaneyI know that Gustavo has a bot which is maintained if that helps ;-)14:50
seb128Trevinho, going back to the point, you can keep saying 'one more fix' but at this point the team consensus it to revert those input backport, could you please do that instead?14:51
Trevinhoseb128: I'm quite sure that's not what will fix it, that's my point.14:52
Trevinhoif it was noticed eve withouth the mutter changes, how can it be the?14:52
Trevinhomore typos than words :-D14:52
seb128Laney, 🤔14:53
seb128Trevinho, you are saying duflu got his bisect wrong?14:53
TrevinhoI mean, https://github.com/micheleg/dash-to-dock/issues/1359 nobody mentions ubuntu14:53
seb128Trevinho, that bug is about flickering14:53
seb128Trevinho, the launchpad one is about having a windows on top of the overview screen14:54
seb128and happens in xorg14:54
seb128'Click on 'Show Applications' the icons of the applications appear but the windows of the applications does not disappear so the icons are hidden.14:54
seb128problem happens with both sessions Xorg and Wayland after last updates14:54
seb128see attached picture'14:54
Trevinhoyeah, I was reading but though was related, but ok.14:55
seb128Daniel also pointed out the problematic code in the last comments14:57
seb128which seems different from the fix you pointed out14:57
Trevinhoyeah, i saw it, looks fine I definitely intended it was relating to something else14:57
seb128aaanyway, doesn't change the point, can we get the backport reverted and go back to focus on other things than fixing side effects of that landing?14:59
seb128jibel also pointed out earlier than the first logging in a vm isn't reacting to clicks for him, which Daniel though might also be due to those changes14:59
Trevinhoseb128: fact is to me is quite more annoying at this point to revert two packages changes, and also I like that we can test upstream code that is going to be released anyways, which also made us fix various upstream issues already, even if we're not in 40 for something, giving us better experience later.15:00
seb128I don't deny that the work is useful15:01
seb128it's just not what we signed up for doing15:01
Trevinhobut I see the point, it all depends on time consuming and so far I thought was more to revert than to have the fixes in.15:01
seb128one reason we say we wouldn't update to GNOME 40 was so we could focus on other tasks15:01
seb128not that we would spend the efforts fixing upstream anyway through backports15:02
seb128Daniel stated that he wasted several days in bisecting regressions15:02
seb128I doubt that reverting would have taken several days15:02
seb128also other people had to fix their box so they could go back to work15:03
seb128it adds up, it's not only the time you are spending on the revert vs fix15:03
seb128anyway, I argued enough, if I didn't convince you it's not another 10 lines that will make a difference...15:04
* seb128 goes back to write reviews15:04
Trevinhoit's hard as I bisected the previous issue in half hour, so I can handle that since it's my responsability, but that's fine, i'll revert it. you can imagine though that I see it more productive time15:04
seb128thanks, I know you invested in there and you would feel better about pushing forward15:05
seb128sorry it's not turning as you wanted15:06
* seb128 hugs Trevinho 15:06
Trevinhoseb128: it's fine, it was an experiment and I'm quite happy how it went given that it turned it into 3-4 upstream fixes, so had it relevance.15:10
Trevinhothe floss again gained by the ubuntu user base :)15:10
oSoMoNLaney, earlier in the meeting you said firefox is in NEW, and you were right, there's a new binary package (firefox-locale-szl)15:15
oSoMoNit's blocked because it FTBFS on s390x anyway15:16
LaneyoSoMoN: yeah, I should accept that but the s390x issue will still block it15:16
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Laneyah there's xwayland in the queue too15:20
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