 Hey all, Ubuntu Touch on Redmi Note 7 has call echo fixed as of version 187 (devel)
 Have fun :)
 How'd you do it?
 @RealDanct12 [Hey all, Ubuntu Touch on Redmi Note 7 has call echo fixed as of version 187 (dev …], Excellent news!  Thank you for your work on that!
 Necromancy?
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 boom
 @RealDanct12 [Hey all, Ubuntu Touch on Redmi Note 7 has call echo fixed as of version 187 (dev …], There was a job post about fixing echo on the forums and other ut tasks
 Sounds like a carrier is making a branded it phone or something
 [Edit] Sounds like a carrier is making a branded ut phone or something
 How i can execute a command in libertine container with using xmir?
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 @mateosalta [There was a job post about fixing echo on the forums and other ut tasks], yes at https://sageteamobile.com/mobile-software-developer/ - I believe they are rebranding refurbished Samsung and porting UT to it for their "Xfone", forget the model.
 Hello, I am sending a message from Iran. I want Ubuntu Touch on mobile huawel p smart Install please help us.
 @𝕄𝕣 [Hello, I am sending a message from Iran. I want Ubuntu Touch on mobile huawel p …], the first thing is to check is your phone has unlocker bootloader, and then then lineageOS based on android 7/9
 @𝕄𝕣 [Hello, I am sending a message from Iran. I want Ubuntu Touch on mobile huawel p …], and do you mean this phone? … https://www.gsmarena.com/huawei_p_smart_2019-9409.php
 I guess it might be helpful despite it's not the phone you're using … https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGjplOtzSFI
 for the halium rom it mentioned … https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/porting/halium_9/index.html
[06:03] <ubptgbot> <Steve Kueffer> @RealDanct12 [Have fun :)], Great! Thank you Danct12. I ordered a RN7 and can't wait to receive it! 😀
 Hi I'm interest to contribute but don't know where to start can anyone guide me
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 @Kunal_Zanke [Hi I'm interest to contribute but don't know where to start can anyone guide me], welcome what kind of things interest you, documentation, translation, design, marketing, user experience, app dev?
 App dev
 cool
 this is the app dev group https://t.me/UbuntuAppDevEN
 clickable is the main tool we use to build packages
 https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/appdev/index.html
 Thank for helping me
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 Good morning, i want to if it possible to install ubuntu touch into my xperia device: xz premium G8141. and how it can. … Thank you
[10:16] <ubptgbot> <Ŧ~Ƥ_452915_ ΔŽΔŽ€Ł> hello... is it possible to fix the bluetooth on my s7 (herolte)?
 @SidR31 [Good morning, i want to if it possible to install ubuntu touch into my xperia de …], Hi there, and welcome.  First, check this: … https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io/ … If your device is there, it's possible.  If not, it will require 'porting'.  Porting is hard for most people but fun for the adventurous.  Sony xperias seem to
[10:39] <ubptgbot> be making some good progress as a 'family'.  I have one model waiting too but I am not skilled enough and no time enough so I wait patiently for time or another champion to port :) … Hope that helps.
 Bitpax is launching it's digital currency sign up using this link and get 5 bitpax coin free. … You get 5 coin after register and verify and then login in account. … https://bitpax.co/?ref=P99783979&pos=left
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 @𝕄𝕣 [Hello, I am sending a message from Iran. I want Ubuntu Touch on mobile huawel p …], Sorry Huawei is probably not unlockable.
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 Hello, does calls and data working on redmi note 5 with Ubuntu touch?
 @Flohack [Sorry Huawei is probably not unlockable.], 😔I hope this will be possible later
 @𝕄𝕣 [😔I hope this will be possible later], Its a decision made by Huawei, not by us.
 I congratulate everyone on Nowruz, the year 1400
 💐💐💐
 Depending on your device. But newer ones tend to be locked for eternity :)
 Next phone, I will definitely pay attention to this point
 @𝕄𝕣 [Next phone, I will definitely pay attention to this point], Yes thats a good thing. Some vendors are much more open to that :)
 @Flohack [Yes thats a good thing. Some vendors are much more open to that :)], Thank you for your help 💐
 someone should make a list of phone brands to avoid if you're planning to use custom rom sometime in future
 i do heard that vivo also locks their BL
 @RealDanct12 [someone should make a list of phone brands to avoid if you're planning to use cu …], Very good thought
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 after I run pycharm(just for fun) in a libertine container with a bluetooth mouse connected, my system freezes until the reboot :D … How can I view the logs without adb?
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 ssh?
 @Fuseteam [ssh?], Connection refused, i can't transfer keys cause mtp not working too
 then try scp from your phone to your pc
 like `scp user@pc:/path/to/key .ssh`
 I just found out that there is a UB Ports phone....why the hell does it cost 360 eur?
 @DD1 [I just found out that there is a UB Ports phone....why the hell does it cost 360 …], If you mean the Volla Phone yes it is.
 why the hell is it so expensive lol?
 Because it costs money to make and support, and that's what the vendor thinks it's worth.
 If you don't agree that's fine I guess
 I mean
 It makes more sense to refurbish used phones with the OS and then sell them tbh
 Cos the Hardware is like entry grade hardware afaik
 If you'd like to do that, we could talk about licensing the operating system's trademarks for that purpose. It's just not something we're particularly interested in at the moment
 @DD1 [It makes more sense to refurbish used phones with the OS and then sell them tbh], yeah, but you need money for hardware adaptation
[18:58] <ubptgbot> <Robin B> Also: economy of scale.
 @UniversalSuperBox [If you'd like to do that, we could talk about licensing the operating system's t …], Im not trying to say you should undervalue your system but I think in the beginning you might as well give cheaper rates for licensing tbh
 Hint: We haven't charged directly for licensing.
 We just need to make sure that there's an agreement in place.
 So you charge per sold unit?
 no
 Not to my knowledge, at least.
 @Flohack would be the best to ask about it, if you're really interested.
 Im just curious thats all
 I understand work has to be compensated for but selling this at 360 eur...I dont think it will reach many people - if they get sold with contracts then possibly yes. People might get their hands on it.
 Do all APKs work on UB? or Whatsapp etc?
 Contracts? You must be in the US?
 To my understanding, selling phones on lease or on contract is far more common in the US than anywhere else.
 APKs do not work directly on UT (it's called Ubuntu Touch). But some work in Anbox, which works on some devices with UT.
[19:03] <ubptgbot> <Robin B> I bought a Pro1X for UB Touch. Kinda depends on your target audience. UBPorts is working on proper convergence ánd a solid phone UI.
 @UniversalSuperBox [To my understanding, selling phones on lease or on contract is far more common i …], Here in Belgium the do it also Dalton
 Interesting
[19:06] <ubptgbot> <Robin B> Besides. I just loaded UBTouch on my F(x)tec Pro¹. I'm very impressed. When BlueTooth audio and mobile data (and perhaps the flashlight) work, UBTouch is gonna be my daily driver. :3
 That's excellent to hear
[19:06] <ubptgbot> <Robin B> Thanks for the hard work.
 I don't mind questions about the business model. If we can't speak truthfully about what we're doing, what's the point?
 (i'm unemployable in standard private business, lol)
[19:07] <ubptgbot> <Mertcan herolte> i cant ssh to ubports, help
 @Mertcan herolte [i cant ssh to ubports, help], Best to ask in the UBports Porting group
[19:08] <ubptgbot> <Mertcan herolte> oof
[19:08] <ubptgbot> <Robin B> (The only nag is that I'm accustomed to swipe in from the right to trigger a back action. As devices are tall, I might miss not having to stretch my hand. On the other hand: for triggering multi-tasking it helps achieving a smooth workflow.)
[19:09] <ubptgbot> <Robin B> @UniversalSuperBox [(i'm unemployable in standard private business, lol)], So you're perfect for the FLOSS community, right? :P
 It depends. I'd be unemployable by a FSF-type place too.
 I'm in a weird spot of idealistic but not nearly idealistic enough, heh.
[19:11] <ubptgbot> <Robin B> What's your role in this project? I've just accidentally stumbled on your face in the UB Dev Podcast lel.
[19:11] <ubptgbot> <Robin B> Just curious.
 @DD1 [I understand work has to be compensated for but selling this at 360 eur...I dont …], Thats a fair price for phone that actually is usable with an alternative operating system thats not cross-financed with your personal data
[19:14] <ubptgbot> <Mertcan herolte> can someone invite me to porting group?
 You cannot compare this to Android entry-level phones
 I mean its basically a Gigaset, no?
[19:14] <ubptgbot> <Mertcan herolte> i cant  ssh to  ubports :/
 @DD1 [I just found out that there is a UB Ports phone....why the hell does it cost 360 …], Most niche products are expensive than usual because it's a lot more expensive to manufacture low volume devices and being a smaller company can also be a factor. You can argue the pinephone, but my guess is that it's cheap because the core comp
[19:15] <ubptgbot> onents are developed and manufactured by them 😄
 @DD1 [So you charge per sold unit?], If a partner project decides to sponsor us with a onetime payment or a share per unit its fine. Its a donation, there is no option for us to enforce that
 @DD1 [I mean its basically a Gigaset, no?], Yes the hardware is the one from a Gigaset model
 Isnt a similiar gigaset model less than 200?
 (I didnt look into it tbf)
 @Javacookies [Most niche products are expensive than usual because it's a lot more expensive t …], And they sell it below any revenue level
 ah yeah that too, and they don't do the software which can be a lot more expensive than the hardware over time
 In the case of Volla, they also do the software
 Not all of it, but Volla's got a team working on Ubuntu Touch too
 Hey Dalton and Kugi, got my Xperia X in the mail a couple of days ago. Got it unlocked and UT installed this morning. Quite an upgrade from the old but trusty N5. Thank you both again for the info and help.
 which is awesome because that means they're really invested into UT
 @The_Monol1th [Hey Dalton and Kugi, got my Xperia X in the mail a couple of days ago. Got it un …], nice! are you on OTA-16? how is it? I still haven't updated 😄
 @Robin B [What's your role in this project? I've just accidentally stumbled on your face i …], Nice to meet you. I call myself the Development Manager. I really do most of the operational work for Ubuntu Touch.
 @The_Monol1th [Hey Dalton and Kugi, got my Xperia X in the mail a couple of days ago. Got it un …], Sweet.
 Yessir, OTA-16. Running beautifully
 How well does the xperia  x work for daily usage
 It's my daily driver
 Seems solid thus far
 I still use the N5
 I really wish Volla would release a new device but without the notch. I'd buy it in an instant...though on second though, that might still depend on my financial status that time 😂
 I bought it thanks to that info that Dalton just shared. Good enough for him, good enough for me 😁
[19:21] <ubptgbot> <Robin B> @UniversalSuperBox [Nice to meet you. I call myself the Development Manager. I really do most of the …], Nice to meet you to. Keep up the good work. :)
[19:21] <ubptgbot> <Robin B> @UniversalSuperBox [Nice to meet you. I call myself the Development Manager. I really do most of the …], [Edit] Nice to meet you too. Keep up the good work. :)
 @The_Monol1th [Seems solid thus far], it's the best UT device I used … coming from Bq E5, MX4, and Nexus 5
 [Edit] I really wish Volla would release a new device but without the notch. I'd buy it in an instant...though on second thought, that might still depend on my financial status that time 😂
 @Javacookies [it's the best UT device I used … coming from Bq E5, MX4, and Nexus 5], I can believe that. It's much faster than the Nexus, very noticeable. So nice to have an SD card slot for my music as well 👍
 And still have a Pinephone UT CE waiting for the future. I just love this OS, best mobile platform IMHO.
[19:27] <ubptgbot> <Robin B> So you have a default suite of tests for logging what's working and what's not? Perhaps I could nag some people on the unofficial Pro1 Discord to help compile some results (as can be seen on the Volla Phone device page and other officially promoted devices).
[19:28] <ubptgbot> <Robin B> Or do it myself, of course. :P
 I also had a pinephone but it broke down. The screen is really fragile. I tried to replace it with a new screen but it cracked when attached the backcover
 @Mertcan herolte [i cant ssh to ubports, help], on what device is this?
[19:35] <ubptgbot> <Mertcan herolte> herolte
 @DD1 [Isnt a similiar gigaset model less than 200?], just if curious, corresponding GS290 goes for 240 in online stores
 @Mertcan herolte [i cant  ssh to  ubports :/], please give error message
[19:38] <ubptgbot> <Mertcan herolte> (Photo, 568x99) https://irc.ubports.com/6dH9fkay.png
 @Nicktl [I also had a pinephone but it broke down. The screen is really fragile. I tried …], Wow, that's unfortunate. My back cover is cracked in the corner where the notch to remove is but all else has been good. I don't really use it much though. Just an update once in a while.
 @Mertcan herolte [<reply to media>], check that ssh service work
[19:38] <ubptgbot> <Mertcan herolte> how
 @Mertcan herolte [<reply to media>], [Edit] check that ssh service works
 rest of price difference is because of having a team to work on software
 @Mertcan herolte [how], service ssh status in phablet terminal
 @klaartje_b I think it was you with Lenovo M10 FHD? https://gitlab.com/ubports/community-ports/android9/lenovo-tab-m10-fhd-plus/lenovo-x606/#install
[19:40] <ubptgbot> <Mertcan herolte> its runnin
 @NotKit [just if curious, corresponding GS290 goes for 240 in online stores], So basically people pay 120 EUR for having the OS pre-installed?
 no, people pay 120 EUR for having OS support for that particular device developed
 @Mertcan herolte [herolte], that device seems to be a work in process
 @The_Monol1th [I can believe that. It's much faster than the Nexus, very noticeable. So nice to …], I have got the 5122 with 64 gb internal storage. No need for an extra sd card. 😉
 it's not that you can basically take OS and flash it on any Android device without porting work
[19:41] <ubptgbot> <Mertcan herolte> (Photo, 764x644) https://irc.ubports.com/GdZhrxJe.png it should work
[19:41] <ubptgbot> <Mertcan herolte> i reinsttalled os and its started not working
 Some people value giving support to Volla or Ubuntu Touch as worthwhile projects.
 @Mertcan herolte [<reply to media>], check your ip, do you have wifi?
[19:42] <ubptgbot> <Mertcan herolte> ye
 @klaartje_b [Some people value giving support to Volla or Ubuntu Touch as worthwhile projects …], Exactly
 @Mertcan herolte [ye], check your ip then
[19:42] <ubptgbot> <Mertcan herolte> i checked my ip
 @Mertcan herolte [i checked my ip], can you ping it using that ip?
[19:43] <ubptgbot> <Mertcan herolte> host unreachable
[19:44] <ubptgbot> <Mertcan herolte> (Photo, 526x115) https://irc.ubports.com/GrkoPx2R.png
 If you want something like this to exist at all, someone has to do the work... it takes time and money. Some of us contribute some of their money and/or time. This makes the whole thing possible.
 @Danfro [I have got the 5122 with 64 gb internal storage. No need for an extra sd card. � …], Nice, wish I could have found a 64 gb model. Picked up a used 32 gb for 60 bucks though and it's in very nice shape. My music collection is about 120 gb so I have to have an sdcard if I want to carry it all with me.
 @Mertcan herolte [<reply to media>], there's your problem then, are you sure that your phone ip?
 @Mertcan herolte [<reply to media>], [Edit] there's your problem then, are you sure that's your phone ip?
[19:45] <ubptgbot> <Mertcan herolte> when i click my wifi, its says ip address: 192.168.1.110
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[19:47] <ubptgbot> <Mertcan herolte> ?
 @The_Monol1th [Nice, wish I could have found a 64 gb model. Picked up a used 32 gb for 60 bucks …], Oh, I am not using that much for my music. I don't even know. It fits on the phone. So less than 64. 😁 I got mine new for I think around 120 € a bit over a year ago.
 i too have troubles with ssh/sshd … how to solve it? … ```phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~$ sshd -t … Could not load host key: /etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key … Could not load host key: /etc/ssh/ssh_host_dsa_key … Could not load host key: /etc/ssh/ssh_host_ecdsa_key … Could not load host key: /etc/ssh/ssh_host_ed25519_key … Missing privilege separa
[19:49] <ubptgbot> tion directory: /var/run/sshd```
 @Danfro [Oh, I am not using that much for my music. I don't even know. It fits on the pho …], I'd say that is an excellent price, nice job.
 Yes. And a nice device. I am quite happy. Only battery last not long. But my old phone is an E5. Bad comparison. 😉
[19:55] <ubptgbot> <Mertcan herolte> someghow fixed
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 @Mertcan herolte [when i click my wifi, its says ip address: 192.168.1.110], then i dunno can you ping your computer from your phone?
 @TheBakerCat [i too have troubles with ssh/sshd … how to solve it? … phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~$ ssh …], not sure what you are doing with `ssh -t`
[19:58] <ubptgbot> <Mertcan herolte> i think i can
 @TheBakerCat [i too have troubles with ssh/sshd … how to solve it? … phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~$ ssh …], [Edit] not sure what you are doing with sshd -t
 @Fuseteam [not sure what you are doing with sshd -t], i checked why my ssh was stop/waiting
 but i use sudo service ssh start and ssh started successfully
 @TheBakerCat [i checked why my ssh was stop/waiting], why not just start it?
 @Fuseteam [why not just start it?], I followed the advice from the Internet = (
 @TheBakerCat [but i use sudo service ssh start and ssh started successfully], so wait if its started successfully what issue are you running into?
 @TheBakerCat [I followed the advice from the Internet = (], link?
 @TheBakerCat [i too have troubles with ssh/sshd … how to solve it? … phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~$ ssh …], this appears normal on ut
 @TheBakerCat [i too have troubles with ssh/sshd … how to solve it? … phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~$ ssh …], [Edit] this appears normal on ut, i can ssh fine into it
 @DD1 [Cos the Hardware is like entry grade hardware afaik], The Volla Phone hardware performs excellently with UT, the only thing I find mediocre on it are the cameras.  Paying for a company that is actively helping to develop and support UT (along with other FOSS efforts, such as their own de-googled Android "Volla OS", Sailfish, Anbo
[20:02] <ubptgbot> x, and a multi-rom bootloader) is something I feel is more than worth a 150 Euro premium relative to what the Gigaset GS290 is available to.  For others that might not be true - but be aware that other Android 9 devices (available for less on the second hand market) that are now being ported to UT are currently reaping the benefits of some of the w
[20:02] <ubptgbot> ork that Volla initiated towards this.
 @Fuseteam [link?], https://askubuntu.com/questions/201995/bizarre-ssh-problem-it-wont-even-start
 @DD1 [Cos the Hardware is like entry grade hardware afaik], [Edit] The Volla Phone hardware performs excellently with UT, the only thing I find mediocre on it are the cameras.  Paying extra for a company that is actively helping to develop and support UT (along with other FOSS efforts, such as their own de-googled Android "Volla OS", S
[20:03] <ubptgbot> ailfish, Anbox, and a multi-rom bootloader) is something I feel is more than worth a 150 Euro premium relative to what the Gigaset GS290 is available to.  For others that might not be true - but be aware that other Android 9 devices (available for less on the second hand market) that are now being ported to UT are currently reaping the benefits of
[20:03] <ubptgbot> some of the work that Volla initiated towards this.
 @Fuseteam [so wait if its started successfully what issue are you running into?], I already seem to have fixed it
 @DD1 [Cos the Hardware is like entry grade hardware afaik], [Edit] The Volla Phone hardware performs excellently with UT, the only thing I find mediocre on it are the cameras.  Paying extra for a company that is actively helping to develop and support UT (along with other FOSS efforts, such as their own de-googled Android "Volla OS", S
[20:04] <ubptgbot> ailfish, Anbox, and a multi-rom bootloader) is something I feel is more than worth a 120 Euro premium relative to what the Gigaset GS290 is available for.  For others that might not be true - but be aware that other Android 9 devices (available for less on the second hand market) that are now being ported to UT are currently reaping the benefits of
[20:04] <ubptgbot>  some of the work that Volla initiated towards this.
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 Hi
 [ROM][Z00ED] Ubuntu Touch (UBports) | XDA Developers Forums … https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/rom-z00ed-ubuntu-touch-ubports.4195359/
 @TotalSonic [The Volla Phone hardware performs excellently with UT, the only thing I find med …], So why not buy a Phone that doesnt have google or remove it/custom rom it?
 @kostyaka [[ROM][Z00ED] Ubuntu Touch (UBports) | XDA Developers Forums … https://forum.xda-de …], that looks like an old attempt, if you want to pick up the effort feel free to join @halium and @ubports_porting
 @DD1 [So why not buy a Phone that doesnt have google or remove it/custom rom it?], I've flashed numerous phones myself already. But the Volla Phone offers a device that runs UT with all hardware on it working well, and a staff working to help improve that performance into the future.
 this is some kind of trap … ubuntu-phablet@192.168.137.224: Permission denied (publickey).
 @Fuseteam [that looks like an old attempt, if you want to pick up the effort feel free to j …], Thanks
 @TheBakerCat [this is some kind of trap … ubuntu-phablet@192.168.137.224: Permission denied (pub …], not its not you need to set up key authentication
 You are add this device in website info?
 @Fuseteam [not its not you need to set up key authentication], i can't transfer keys
 @kostyaka [You are add this device in website info?], if you can get it working you can pr it on gitlab
 Ok
 Later i can do it
 @TheBakerCat [i can't transfer keys], try `scp user@pc:/path/to/keys .ssh` on ut terminal
 i already trying scp
 @DD1 [So why not buy a Phone that doesnt have google or remove it/custom rom it?], [Edit] I've flashed numerous phones myself already (e.g Xiaomi Redmi Note 7, Meizu Pro 5, OnePlus One, Nexus 5). But the Volla Phone offers a device that runs UT with all hardware on it working well, and a staff working to help improve that performance i
[20:25] <ubptgbot> nto the future.
 not from pc's terminal from your ubuntu touch terminal
 ubuntu touch disallows password authentication for ssh
 @Fuseteam [not from pc's terminal from your ubuntu touch terminal], i can't install openssh server on windows 10 =(
 if you can ssh into your pc you should be able to scp it using that command
 @TheBakerCat [i can't install openssh server on windows 10 =(], oh you have windows 10 uh
 yep
 then bluetooth? mail?
 you just have to get your public key on your device somehow
 DD1 as Robin B mentioned, it is basically economy of scale problem. To offer unique in some way product has lot of involved costs, and if a device is sold in small batches (like hundreds/few thousands), the added cost per device is rather high as opposed to larger brands selling in millions
 it is something people not always understand, like same reason why Pro1-(X) costs $600+ for Snapdragon 835/662
 @Robin B [Besides. I just loaded UBTouch on my F(x)tec Pro¹. I'm very impressed. When Blue …], could you check if mobile data issue is https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/issues/1657?
 basically /usr/share/ofono/scripts/set-context-property 0 Protocol IP
[20:36] <ubptgbot> <Robin B> @NotKit [could you check if mobile data issue is https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/ …], I'll gladly check it out. :) Gonna reinstall UB Touch in an hour or so.
 @DD1 [I understand work has to be compensated for but selling this at 360 eur...I dont …], 360 eur is about average for a good phone tbh
 @amyosx [360 eur is about average for a good phone tbh], Umm you can get better phones for less?
 Xiaomi Note 10 Pro?
 Or the Zenfone 7 comes around 400
 Not sure if it even was the pro
 BUt still much better lol
 true, but see what I wrote, you're comparing apples to oranges
 @amyosx [360 eur is about average for a good phone tbh], You said 360 eur is for a average good phone lol
 How is that Gigaset model even nearly as good as these?
 I meant average price
 I bet even a Samsung Galaxy S7 beats it
 And you are paying for a completely different product
 So why not flash it with UBPorts?
 [Edit] So why not flash it with UB?
 Not made by a multi billion dollar company lol
 Like seriously, who the hell buys these? i am not trying to shittalk UB, I was interested that there could be a seperate OS but seriously 360 EUR for this thing?
 Ask the many who bought one
 If your talking purely cost based pinephone exists
 @DD1 [So why not flash it with UB?], check https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io/ for devices that can be flashed with UB
 waiting for it to load on virgin media is fun
 @amyosx [Ask the many who bought one], Do we know how many pieces were produced and sold?
 i dont know personally those numbers
 As I expected.
 ill go find some numbers brb
 also remember no one is forcing you to buy a phone from this one company who is funding development for 2 operating systems btw
 @DD1 [Like seriously, who the hell buys these? i am not trying to shittalk UB, I was i …], There are quite some users. Mostly happy users from what I hear. And part of the money is for the OS. Consider all your private data as part of the price for Android/Apple phones. So...
 @amyosx [also remember no one is forcing you to buy a phone from this one company who is …], Holy shit what kind of whatbaoutism is this?
 watch your language pls
 ...
 there are some basic rules around here
 @UniversalSuperBox [To my understanding, selling phones on lease or on contract is far more common i …], Extremely common in the UK.
 @DD1 [Holy shit what kind of whatbaoutism is this?], you seem to be rather hostile while we try to explain honestly why
 i dont know anyone who has in the past 3 years or so
 Just for some numbers, ut volla group has got 85 members, volla community group has got a few short to 600 members.
 @NotKit [you seem to be rather hostile while we try to explain honestly why], I mean seriously you guys shill about stock being sold out without knowing how many were produced and sold in the first place let alone that paying 120 for a OS isnt exactly fair pricing at (based off that the other gigaset model is like 240)
 That might not make up the number of devices though.
 I like that there is a new OS I joined this group a few months ago.
 @DD1 [I mean seriously you guys shill about stock being sold out without knowing how m …], every company has to have a markup just to survive lol
 And yet I wont just be like "OH BUT THIS IS WITH ANOTHER OS 360 IS COMPLETELY FINE"
 @DD1 [I mean seriously you guys shill about stock being sold out without knowing how m …], And you complain about the price of a phone. Just don't buy it.
 @Danfro [And you complain about the price of a phone. Just don't buy it.], I asked about the numbers that were sold and he came like "oh well you dont have to buy it."
 Just dont shill
 No, you keep complaining about how much that phone is overpriced.
 Be real about it and its fine. Im not going to buy it, can custom rom or get UB on the Phone but its not worth the money. Gigaset Phones arent any good afaik
 Also who tells you that your data wont get sold anyway or that UB will sell data at some point?
 Fine. Any other questions you have?
 @DD1 [Also who tells you that your data wont get sold anyway or that UB will sell data …], you can't sell data if there is no data :)
 @NotKit [you can't sell data if there is no data :)], So you think they cant sell any data? Also do you get around all the trackers etc?
 Also what is the Update-Support like?
 since Ubuntu Touch is a community project, we know which information is sent to the network
 Also policies change, every company does it. So UB might as well change their policies and collect data anyway
 @DD1 [So you think they cant sell any data? Also do you get around all the trackers et …], ubports has no trackers in the os or the default apps
 UB is not a commercial commany
 @amyosx [ubports has no trackers in the os or the default apps], Websites
 @DD1 [Also policies change, every company does it. So UB might as well change their po …], but why would we?
 UT for instance has got no apps running in background. Exceptions you have to allow yourself. It is all open source so you can check the code.
 [Edit] UB is not a commercial commany, it's a non-profit foundation
 @DD1 [Websites], As much as on any other phone and os. You are your own boss there and responsible on how and where you surf.
 @Fuseteam [you just have to get your public key on your device somehow], already, using old notebook with mint … i executed cat id_rsa.pub >> .ssh/authorized_keys but when i try connect i see permission denied again
 @TotalSonic [The Volla Phone hardware performs excellently with UT, the only thing I find med …], I've found the selfie camera to be far and away the best I've ever used, but then I've never specifically made this feature a priority in my hardware purchasing decisions.
 @TheBakerCat [already, using old notebook with mint … i executed cat id_rsa.pub >> .ssh/authoriz …], Linux etc is completely fine
 @TotalSonic [The Volla Phone hardware performs excellently with UT, the only thing I find med …], [Edit] I've found the selfie camera to be far and away the best I've ever used (easily rivaling the Volla's back camera at least until UT's camera app developer figures out how to use the secondary lens in that back array?), but then I'
[20:59] <ubptgbot> ve never specifically made this feature a priority in my hardware purchasing decisions.
 @TartanSpartan [I've found the selfie camera to be far and away the best I've ever used (easily …], Selfi cam is a weak spot on Xperia. I can't seem to get a sharp image from it. I guess that is for which distance it is focused (fixed focus).
 Has volla phone got a focus for that? Or also fixed focus?
 @TotalSonic [The Volla Phone hardware performs excellently with UT, the only thing I find med …], [Edit] I've found the selfie camera to be far and away the best I've ever used (easily rivaling the Volla's back camera at least until UT's camera app developer figures out how to use the secondary lens in that back array, I guess?), bu
[21:00] <ubptgbot> t then I've never specifically made this feature a priority in my hardware purchasing decisions.
 @Danfro [Selfi cam is a weak spot on Xperia. I can't seem to get a sharp image from it. I …], With ub or android?
 Im curious. At least their main cameras are usually really good
 UT.
 @DD1 [Linux etc is completely fine], it is a question or a statement?
 @TheBakerCat [it is a question or a statement?], Statement
 Xperias main camera is quite good. No great deal at low light, but very good daylight images.
 Its a good is for general use just not for gaming cos of lack of support ( i mean quite a few works but a lot don't)
 @TartanSpartan [I've found the selfie camera to be far and away the best I've ever used (easily …], hmmm, I am currently limited to 4megapixels for the selfie camera, where as I can get 15.9megapixels for the rear camera on the Volla.
 @Danfro [Has volla phone got a focus for that? Or also fixed focus?], Focus is working well on selfie cam on Volla
[21:04] <ubptgbot> Matty was added by: Matty
 Good to know. I hardly use selfi cam, but when I used it, I was disappointed.
 Hello ubports forum. I am matthias, from germany. I am using  utouch on my oneplus one. NICE :) … I listened to some q/a podcast the last week.  … I have a question regarding the app unav. I am correct here?
 [Edit] Hello ubports group. I am matthias, from germany. I am using  utouch on my oneplus one. NICE :) … I listened to some q/a podcast the last week.  … I have a question regarding the app unav. I am correct here?
 welcome :)
 And don't get me wrong - I find the Volla cameras are certainly capable of taking very  nice photos - my calling them "mediocre" is just relative to some of the Android phone options out in the past 3 years which have focused their hardware and software towards photography.
 😊
 [Edit] And don't get me wrong - I find the Volla cameras while using UT are certainly capable of taking very  nice photos - my calling them "mediocre" is just relative to some of the Android phone options out in the past 3 years which have focused their hardware and software towards photography.
 @Matty [Hello ubports group. I am matthias, from germany. I am using  utouch on my onepl …], uNav works well in my experiences - unfortunately I found that the gps in the OnePlus One under UT does not.
 @TotalSonic [And don't get me wrong - I find the Volla cameras while using UT are certainly c …], sadly a lot of the stuff hardware side is with proprietary firmware :(
 (looking at you sony)
 I noticed that not all contacts in the phone are synced with google. Trying to recreate the account integration now google tells me that the browser can't be trusted
 any workaround?
 not rn
 @TotalSonic [uNav works well in my experiences - unfortunately I found that the gps in the On …], the app works well, even with gps (takes reaaally long to find and good "view to the sky") … i have kind of a feature request. i would like to have the possibility to set a weight for street types while navigation. i ride a small motorbike and
[21:11] <ubptgbot> its fun to get routed through small sreets rather than taking the big ones. But i didnt find where i could find the correct poeple that made unav.
 @amyosx [sadly a lot of the stuff hardware side is with proprietary firmware :(], Yup - also on Google's side they've allowed for a ton of software enhancement options that are processed near immediately from the raw output of the cameras on Android - so that they can get better looking pics from the get go using the same hardware.
[21:12] <ubptgbot> <Steve Kueffer> (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/zRyQY95W.txt
 @TotalSonic [Yup - also on Google's side they've allowed for a ton of software enhancement op …], which again is all proprietary
 @Matty [the app works well, even with gps (takes reaaally long to find and good "view to …], This is not a place where feature requests will be noted.  Best to make the request to the developer https://github.com/costales/unav/issues
 @amyosx [which again is all proprietary], yup!
 @TotalSonic [This is not a place where feature requests will be noted.  Best to make the requ …], Nice thank youtube!
 @TotalSonic [This is not a place where feature requests will be noted.  Best to make the requ …], [Edit] Nice thank you !
 thank youtube
 @Matty [Nice thank you !], you might also be able to chat directly with the lead developer at https://t.me/costales
 thanks Steve Kueffer!
[21:22] <ubptgbot> TheSoliverticanasico was added by: Nikolas Denttik
 https://t.me/joinchat/LuO3g_gGlfUwMDhk
 Has anyone noticed if the Bluetooth File Transfer app was removed from the open store?
 It's still showing on my N5 but not on the Xperia
[21:32] <ubptgbot> <Steve Kueffer> @higuita7 [thanks Steve Kueffer!], You're welcome 😉
 Both are on OTA-16
[21:32] <ubptgbot> <Steve Kueffer> @The_Monol1th [Has anyone noticed if the Bluetooth File Transfer app was removed from the open …], Only for arm64 devices
 Oh, I see
 Thank you
 Do you know why that is Steve?
 https://t.me/joinchat/LuO3g_gGlfUwMDhk
[21:33] <ubptgbot> <Steve Kueffer> Bluetooth transfer app has not officially been compiled for arm64 bits CPU
 Ah gotcha. Thanks again.
[21:34] <ubptgbot> <Steve Kueffer> (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/4ud0T7fO.null
[21:35] <ubptgbot> <Steve Kueffer> Hope someone will add it in the open store for the concerned devices...
 That would certainly be more convenient but I much appreciate the file. Got in on  as of now.
[21:37] <ubptgbot> <Steve Kueffer> @The_Monol1th [That would certainly be more convenient but I much appreciate the file. Got in o …], Nice 😉
 @TheSoliverticanasico [https://t.me/joinchat/LuO3g_gGlfUwMDhk], OOH FREE BITCOIN!
 Hahaha
 Cool. But maybe one of the admins can delete it? We don't know what to do with free bitcoin. 😁
 man itd suck if it was another scam
 ive had a few hundred of them now
 @NotKit [could you check if mobile data issue is https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/ …], Nope, that didn't work. :)
 Also: the command doesn't work unless "IP" is written in small letters, i.e. "ip".
[22:28] <ubptgbot> <Mertcan herolte> im trying install gnome
[22:28] <ubptgbot> <Mertcan herolte> hope works
[22:42] <ubptgbot> <Ŧ~Ƥ_452915_ ΔŽΔŽ€Ł> Is it possible to use androbox on ubports ?
 @Ŧ~Ƥ_452915_ ΔŽΔŽ€Ł [Is it possible to use androbox on ubports ?], Yes Anbox can be installed on most UT devices.
 @Mertcan herolte [im trying install gnome], Wrong forum- this one is for Ubuntu Touch only
[22:57] <ubptgbot> <Mertcan herolte> i trie install gnome to ubuntu touch
[22:57] <ubptgbot> <Mertcan herolte> screen crashed xD
[22:57] <ubptgbot> <Mertcan herolte> [Edit] i tried install gnome to ubuntu touch
 thats no surprise.
 @Mertcan herolte [i tried install gnome to ubuntu touch], well yeah
 ubtouch isn't really meant to be used with anything other than lomiri right now
 there is no android drivers on gnome, so it wont work at all :)
 You could try and run Mobian. :p
 @Nibor [You could try and run Mobian. :p], *not gone :)*
 @Nibor [You could try and run Mobian. :p], [Edit] *not gnome :)*
[22:59] <ubptgbot> <Mertcan herolte> i cant install anbox to herolte :(
 [Edit] You could try and run Mobian. :p Still no Gnome, though.
[22:59] <ubptgbot> <Mertcan herolte> can anyone help me?
 @DD1 [I understand work has to be compensated for but selling this at 360 eur...I dont …], eww, no. volla is a good price for what it is, and their support is making it one of the best ut phones so far
 @mateosalta [eww, no. volla is a good price for what it is, and their support is making it on …], If they want a bit more money for it fine
 But not 120 EUR
 Say just below 300 so thats like what? 60 eur right?
 But 120 EUR? lol
 @Nibor [Nope, that didn't work. :)], @NotKit: correction. Mobile internet started working after leaving my Pro1 on for a while. … Mobile data works consistently if I dismiss the PIN-code pop-up right after boot. Then I just select my SIM-card from the drop-down menu. Give it a minute or two and mobile internet works like a charm.