[00:04] <ubptgbot> <Ŧ~Ƥ_452915_ ΔŽΔŽ€Ł> @Mertcan herolte [i cant install anbox to herolte :(], I have the same problem on the same device xD
[00:04] <ubptgbot> <Mertcan herolte> xD
[00:05] <ubptgbot> <Mertcan herolte> i cant rotate my phone
 @DD1 [But not 120 EUR], That's for them to decide, not you. You can then decide not to support them if you don't like their price - no  big deal either way. But there are still those of us that find vakue in what they do,and are fine with their asking price.
[00:06] <ubptgbot> <Ŧ~Ƥ_452915_ ΔŽΔŽ€Ł> @Mertcan herolte [i cant rotate my phone], My rotate works but i dont know why... xD
[00:08] <ubptgbot> <Mertcan herolte> can u rotate your screen?
[00:08] <ubptgbot> <Ŧ~Ƥ_452915_ ΔŽΔŽ€Ł> Yes
[00:09] <ubptgbot> <Ŧ~Ƥ_452915_ ΔŽΔŽ€Ł> Its a bit buggy but yes
[00:10] <ubptgbot> <Mertcan herolte> *how*
[00:10] <ubptgbot> <Mertcan herolte> teach me
[00:13] <ubptgbot> <Ŧ~Ƥ_452915_ ΔŽΔŽ€Ł> I dont know how it works... It should not work but it does
[00:14] <ubptgbot> <Mertcan herolte> excuse me wtf
[00:14] <ubptgbot> <Mertcan herolte> i need it
[00:14] <ubptgbot> <Mertcan herolte> i connected my keyboard and mouse
[00:14] <ubptgbot> <Mertcan herolte> i want use it like desktop
 @DD1 [But not 120 EUR], [Edit] That's for them to decide, not you. You can then decide not to support them if you don't like their price - no  big deal either way. But there are still those of us that find value in what they do, and are fine with their asking price.
 @Mertcan herolte [i tried install gnome to ubuntu touch], I would suggest looking at Phosh/Pure for getting closer to that - but the only device supporting that I know of is Librem 5, which I would not recommend.
[00:25] <ubptgbot> <Mertcan herolte> how can i foun phosh pure
 @Mertcan herolte [how can i foun phosh pure], Probably best if you try it via postmarket OS - but don't blame me if you brick your device - https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/Phosh
[00:42] <ubptgbot> <Mertcan herolte> is there any update for postmarket os herolte?
[01:04] <ubptgbot> <Alexey Kor> ideas?
 @Mertcan herolte [is there any update for postmarket os herolte?], This is a support group for Ubuntu Touch - off topic questions should be taken to https://t.me/UBportsOF
[01:07] <ubptgbot> <Mertcan herolte> ik
 (Photo, 1280x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/aOPYBHZX.png Well, it's not a professional thing, but I hope you like it.
 I like it
[01:20] <ubptgbot> <Mertcan herolte> what is this
 The Lomiri Logo.  I reproduced it and made these 3 versions.
 @PhoenixLandPirate [I like it], Thanks.
 I wasn't even aware Lomiri had a logo. But these look good. What did you change?
 @klaartje_b [I wasn't even aware Lomiri had a logo. But these look good. What did you change?], In this last track I added the orange gradient to the logo.  I will send the HD versions of it here.
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/8NtYlAoo.png
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/q08kNGnD.png
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/9rc1MxC0.png
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/nREBAGo4.png
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/i2OopYGy.png
 I admit, I would like UBPorts and the UU community to be working together, they would be a perfect pair.
[02:53] <ubptgbot> baxhunter88 was added by: baxhunter88
 @DD1 [I mean seriously you guys shill about stock being sold out without knowing how m …], you do know that the os cannot be flashed on just any android right? there are litterally thousands of android phones out there, while the os can only be flashed on about 60 devices. … furthermore volla is one of the what 3 companies that are shipp
[03:04] <ubptgbot> ing phones with the os preinstalled, while there are a few hundeds of companies shipped android all competing with each other … finally the devices including the volla sells a few hundred devices, android sells in the millions  … this is what it mean when they say it's and economy of "scale"
 @DD1 [I mean seriously you guys shill about stock being sold out without knowing how m …], [Edit] you do know that the os cannot be flashed on just any android right? there are litterally thousands of android phones out there, while the os can only be flashed on about 60 devices. … furthermore volla is one of the what 3 companies that ar
[03:06] <ubptgbot> e shipping phones with the os preinstalled, while there are a few hundeds of companies shipped android all competing with each other … finally the devices including the volla sells a few hundred devices, android sells in the millions  … this is what it mean when they say it's and economy of "scale" …  finally finally ubports is not a company, its a
[03:06] <ubptgbot>  nonprofit foundation
 @TheBakerCat [already, using old notebook with mint … i executed cat id_rsa.pub >> .ssh/authoriz …], you're suppose to cat the key to that file on the phone not on the laptop, you have to properly note what you run where. … if you have an mint laptop you can generate a key on the laptop scp it to your phone and then cat it to the authori
[03:08] <ubptgbot> zed_keys file
 @DD1 [But 120 EUR? lol], microsoft windows licences sell for $120 and that's a single version that is made by a billion dollar company €120 for the os for a small scale os like ubuntu touch made by a small foundation that doesn't have a large budget is rather cheap in comparison
 @Fuseteam [microsoft windows licences sell for $120 and that's a single version that is mad …], Microsoft Windows Licenses (legitimately not a few eur keys) can be bought much cheaper and its just a wholly different product that comes shipped with devices for free
 If the Specs of the device would be very good then sure its a great thing but Gigaset "Smartphones" were never really any good
 No real good build quality or anything.
 who says its comes free with your device, if you buy a laptop without an os it's at least $120 cheaper :p
 @Fuseteam [who says its comes free with your device, if you buy a laptop without an os it's …], Mostly you cant buy a laptop without a os
 like cant opt out for a discount
 And Also the discount depends
 Can be 60-80 eur as well
 @DD1 [Mostly you cant buy a laptop without a os], oh yes you can, you just have to know where to look
 @Fuseteam [oh yes you can, you just have to know where to look], SO
 can you opt out of windows in a store?
 anyway people are investing into the development of the os because they expect it to improve and meet their needs.
 @DD1 [can you opt out of windows in a store?], depends on a store, but some at least do have sorting by "No OS"
 I would much rather support it with crowdfunding instead of slapping 120 EUR on a mediocre device
 @DD1 [can you opt out of windows in a store?], like i said you just have to know where to look, i've seen a few options on amazon
 @DD1 [I would much rather support it with crowdfunding instead of slapping 120 EUR on …], well there is a patreon and a liberapay and a host of other options
 @ptrcnull [depends on a store, but some at least do have sorting by "No OS"], Thats mostly devices that are already available in a store and without a OS or just Linux which is extremely rare, also if you uncheck windows when configuring a device it can end up being more expensive than buying it with windows in a store because Manufacturers m
[03:21] <ubptgbot> ostly sell devices for more than stores
 @Fuseteam [well there is a patreon and a liberapay and a host of other options], Well they opted for the 120 EUR on a device option lol
 @Fuseteam [like i said you just have to know where to look, i've seen a few options on amaz …], How is this even a conversation? How does this even matter?
 @DD1 [Well they opted for the 120 EUR on a device option lol], no, the ubports foundation has those options as well, the vollaphone is just one option out of many
 Do you want to tell the average joe know where to look? Let alone that mostly these things cost more than with windows anyway due to manuacturer pricing?
 @DD1 [Do you want to tell the average joe know where to look? Let alone that mostly th …], the average joe will not buy a computer without an os sooooo
 So DD1 what would you like to change from this discussion today?
 the point is 120 euros for an os developed by volunteers is reasonable in comparison
 @Fuseteam [the average joe will not buy a computer without an os sooooo], Yes so how is it relevant? And as I said mostly the option to opt out is only given by buying at the manufacturer website?
 so opting out of windows doesnt make a point here, you dont save money on manufacturer sites 99% of the time
 @Fuseteam [the point is 120 euros for an os developed by volunteers is reasonable in compar …], Not if its paired witha  mediocre device and it sounds more like a beta rollout
 @DD1 [Not if its paired witha  mediocre device and it sounds more like a beta rollout], it kinda is and kinda is not, volla is making quite a lot of progress and opening a lot of options for bringing the os to more android 9 devices. most new android 9 devices on the list are a direct result of the work done on the vollaphone
 Gigaset is still stuck with Android 9? x)
 (on their android devices that is obv)
 @DD1 [Not if its paired witha  mediocre device and it sounds more like a beta rollout], Except its an excellent device when paired with UT that some (myself) are using happily as a daily driver.
 @TotalSonic [Except its an excellent device when paired with UT that some (myself) are using …], Took you quite long to write this lol
 DD1 again, what would you like to change after this discussion today?
 @DD1 [Gigaset is still stuck with Android 9? x)], it shipped with android 9 that's all that matters when porting a device. even if the device gets upgrade to android 12, the fact that it shipped with android 9 makes porting it with halium 9 possible
 @Fuseteam @TotalSonic please stop for a moment
 So let me ask you this would you pay 40% more for having a PC with Windows or any OS you like?
 @UniversalSuperBox [@Fuseteam @TotalSonic please stop for a moment], sure
 @UniversalSuperBox [@Fuseteam @TotalSonic please stop for a moment], They went on it, not my problem if theyre happy to reply
 @DD1 [Took you quite long to write this lol], No - I was writing messages that I decided not to send, in service of being more polite.
 [Edit] So let me ask you this would you pay 50% more for having a PC with Windows or any OS you like?
 @UniversalSuperBox [@Fuseteam @TotalSonic please stop for a moment], Okey dokes. I think we have a clear example of borderline "concern trolling" here though.
 How is it trolling?
 Would you pay 50% more for a OS on a Device?
 A Pc for instance?
 Please answer my question. What do you want us to change?
 @UniversalSuperBox [Please answer my question. What do you want us to change?], Maybe the pricing first of all?
 How is a 50% increase of the price justified at all?
 Imagine PCs having a 50% increase simply for adding windows
 The UBports Foundation doesn't sell the Volla Phone. You can ask Volla to change their pricing if you want.
 Like you wouldnt have a play in that lol
 You can call it trolling all you want but a price increase of a mediocre device by 50% just for installing it is just ridicilous
 If it would at least be a good phone all around but no....
 So... you're just here to shit on it?
 [Edit] If it would at least be a good phone all around but no....even then it would be quite ridicilous but at least it would offer more
 @UniversalSuperBox [So... you're just here to shit on it?], Im shitting on the pricing not on the OS
 Like, it's fine. You can have your opinion on pricing, and you've stated it now.
 Stop getting so in defending mode
 Like im not shilling
 If the pricing is fine its fine, but 50% is ridicilous
 50 EUR above? well its a bit but yeah fine
 But 120 EUR
 Why wouldnt you try to work with Xiaomi for instance? They would at least do devices at a good price with good quality all in all. Their MIUI OS isnt the best however. But if its replaced with UT it doesnt matter.
 Bro how to unlock boot loader no waiting
 Thank you for your feedback.
 @программист [Bro how to unlock boot loader no waiting], You will have to unlock the bootloader of your device the way the manufacturer allows you to do it. If that requires waiting several days for approval, unfortunately that is the only option.
 Bro its my father's phone
 Can use ubl tool?
 Maybe there is an exploit for your specific device that doesn't require waiting... but I don't know what those are, and you'd have to find them by searching XDA-developers or 4pda.
 I don't know why you still bother to talk to him. … We've said many things and he still have the same argument 😂
 @DD1 [Why wouldnt you try to work with Xiaomi for instance? They would at least do dev …], Xiaomi sell his phobes at that price because they sell millions of phones, besides, they put ads on the OS and uses your data to "improve the user experience" whatever that means. Volla price is right for what you get, they need to obtain resources fr
[04:05] <ubptgbot> om somewhere, Volla is a company at the end of the day and UBports Foundation is not putting the price of the Volla phone, is just developing the os and they are making a great work! Finally, you are free to choise whatever phone and os you are commfortable with. You can have UBports in many others devices from diferents manufacturers and of course
[04:05] <ubptgbot> , you are free to buy a Xiaomi Phone and live with MIUI software full of closed code from the different companies Xiaomi is working with and ads...
 @Fuseteam [you're suppose to cat the key to that file on the phone not on the laptop, you h …], i created keys on laptop -> transferred public key from laptop to phablet -> cat id_rsa.pub >> .ssh/ authorized_keys … i already did it and it doesn't work
 I just copy my public key to my saved message in telegram and copy paste it on my UT device 😄
 use Seabass for pastiing
[04:08] <ubptgbot> <Ŧ~Ƥ_452915_ ΔŽΔŽ€Ł> btw... the hotspot from herolte working
[04:08] <ubptgbot> <Ŧ~Ƥ_452915_ ΔŽΔŽ€Ł> (Photo, 1440x2560) https://irc.ubports.com/XLshEgnV.png
[04:08] <ubptgbot> <Ŧ~Ƥ_452915_ ΔŽΔŽ€Ł> (Photo, 1440x2560) https://irc.ubports.com/kEBPIS4n.png
[04:09] <ubptgbot> <Ŧ~Ƥ_452915_ ΔŽΔŽ€Ł> (Photo, 454x186) https://irc.ubports.com/ZmvWVHeF.png
 @TheBakerCat [i created keys on laptop -> transferred public key from laptop to phablet -> cat …], can you show me the output of `ls -l .ssh`?
 @Fuseteam [can you show me the output of ls -l .ssh?], phablet@ubuntuphablet:~$ ls -l .ssh … total 16 … -rw-rw-r-- 1 phablet phablet  396 мар 21 01:51 authorized_keys … -rw------- 1 phablet phablet 1675 мар 21 01:47 id_rsa … -rw-r--r-- 1 phablet phablet  404 мар 21 01:47 id_rsa.pub … -rw-r--r-- 1 phablet phablet  222 мар 21 01:34 know
[04:15] <ubptgbot> n_hosts
 hmm something feels off but at the same time i feel i feel it shouldn't matter
 you still have the id_rsa on your pc right?
 Yes
 sailfish os also contains closed source UI as well
 @TheBakerCat [Yes], can you try ssh -i /path/to/key phablet@<
 @TheBakerCat [Yes], [Edit] can you try ssh -i /path/to/key phablet@<phoneip>
 @Fuseteam [can you try ssh -i /path/to/key phablet@<phoneip>], it works, thanks!
 there we go lol
 you can make a `.ssh/config` file where you can set that all up for ease of use
 the syntax would be  … ```Host nickname …     HostName phone-ip …     User phablet …     IdentityFile /path/to/key```
 @TheBakerCat [after I run pycharm(just for fun) in a libertine container with a bluetooth mous …], My dmesg after starting pycharm with connected bt mouse … http://Del.dog/cocyveapuf.txt
 Im still having issues with Teleports, even after delete data and reinstalling the app, it opens the conversation screen, i can even open one chat, but i cant send messages, and if I go back to the conversations screen and open another chat, the app just freezes, only i can see the title and a blank screen. I dont know what else I can do.
 @LGeek [Im still having issues with Teleports, even after delete data and reinstalling t …], not sure why it is doing that either can you access the logs?
 @Fuseteam [not sure why it is doing that either can you access the logs?], How I can access the logs?
 @LGeek [How I can access the logs?], it should be viewable via the logviewer app
 @DD1 [Like seriously, who the hell buys these? i am not trying to shittalk UB, I was i …], I did, for similar reasons to Mr Berson (and also my second hand devices before had failing USB ports over time so a brand new device with wireless charging AND a high mAH rating was very appealing to me).
 (we got a non-EFTA state discount over that 360 EUR though :) )
 @Danfro [Selfi cam is a weak spot on Xperia. I can't seem to get a sharp image from it. I …], Will test in the morning in bright light conditions (since people have identified dark conditions as a weakness for the Volla's camera, among several other devices with and without UT).
 This is what my new beard looks like in late night, artificially lit conditions:
 (Photo, 725x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/uXTr4jca.png
 @TotalSonic [hmmm, I am currently limited to 4megapixels for the selfie camera, where as I ca …], What, you measured the output as 4MP?
 @TartanSpartan [<reply to media>], me after pandemic is over 😂
 @DD1 [If the Specs of the device would be very good then sure its a great thing but Gi …], And you can judge that because you've held one in your hands? No?
 @DD1 [can you opt out of windows in a store?], Chillblast let me customise my laptop to the fullest extent possible and one of those possibilities was no OS installed yes.
 @Anon211 [me after pandemic is over 😂], Hehehe this thing is since mid December. I hope the Volla gives it full justice.
 @Anon211 [me after pandemic is over 😂], [Edit] Hehehe this thing is since mid December. I hope the Volla's selfie cam gives it full justice.
 @Fuseteam [it should be viewable via the logviewer app], http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/vhZJ95TzMK/
 Those are the teleports logs from logviewer app
 (Photo, 1080x2340) https://irc.ubports.com/aBkGB53S.png
 @TartanSpartan [What, you measured the output as 4MP?], That is what the Camera app shows as the maximum.
 @TartanSpartan [What, you measured the output as 4MP?], [Edit] 4.3mp is what the Camera app shows as the maximum.
 @TartanSpartan [What, you measured the output as 4MP?], [Edit] 4mp is what the Camera app shows as the maximum.
 (Photo, 1080x2340) https://irc.ubports.com/taULcO0N.png
 Versus 15.9 for rear camera
 [Edit] Versus 15.9mp,for rear camera
 [Edit] Versus 15.9mp for rear camera
 @TartanSpartan [Hehehe this thing is since mid December. I hope the Volla's selfie cam gives it …], It does!
 @TartanSpartan [Will test in the morning in bright light conditions (since people have identifie …], I think thw focus is set to direct face image distance. When I tried to like get two people on it (arm full stretched distance), it is blurry. It obviously dependa on the usage.
 @TartanSpartan [Will test in the morning in bright light conditions (since people have identifie …], [Edit] I think the focus is set to direct face image distance. When I tried to like get two people on it (arm full stretched distance), it is blurry. It obviously dependa on the usage.
 I guess if your beard is growing longer, you may need to increase the distance too. 😝
 And I may add, if the selfi cam missing a focus us the only drawback, well I would say I can easily live with that. Otherwise I am happy with the Xperia as a daily.
 hi everybody, is it there any roadmap for the ubports state on the pinephone? I am looking forward to have it as main phone with UT!
 you'll probably get more information in the ubports pine group
[11:34] <ubptgbot> <: )> (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/ckry0vTt.webp
 as the moment, most work are done on the kernelupgrade channel … and so far it's looking good
 thank you!
[12:14] <ubptgbot> <Reutzceeh Permanen> read pin
 @DD1 [Say just below 300 so thats like what? 60 eur right?], you can try and unlock and port a gigaset yourself ;) not sure how that would go.
 (Voice, 2s) https://irc.ubports.com/kuh1FJNE.oga
[13:04] <ubptgbot> G_99_K was added by: G_99_K
 @alera_on [<reply to media>], i believe that was to be the 'ubuntu touch' edition type of logo, lomiri has a seperate logo
 @Alexi [hi everybody, is it there any roadmap for the ubports state on the pinephone? I …], one day at a time are the roads we are driving, no map to guide the way ;) (but yes work is being accomplished)
 @TotalSonic [<reply to media>], i like using 13:6 :) fills the screen
 @TartanSpartan [(we got a non-EFTA state discount over that 360 EUR though :) )], oh yeah, no euro tax. we should add that a big chunk of that extra was included tax for the european one
 i would have gladly paid another 100 though, pre installed and bootloader locked (freely unlockable yes, no  … freedoms lost) is worth it :)
 Gonna ask it here first before trying. If I set my filesystem to r/w so I can run the desktop app for live synchronisation with my Nextcloud-instance, how big is the change that I'll break OTA updates?
 [Edit] Gonna ask it here first before trying. If I set my filesystem to r/w so I can run the desktop app for live synchronisation with my Nextcloud-instance, how big is the chance that I'll break OTA updates?
 @Nibor [Gonna ask it here first before trying. If I set my filesystem to r/w so I can ru …], well if it is a graphical app it basiclly wont work right now, minus some qt stuff(small exceptions
 @Nibor [Gonna ask it here first before trying. If I set my filesystem to r/w so I can ru …], but if a termainal app, it might work.
 @Nibor [Gonna ask it here first before trying. If I set my filesystem to r/w so I can ru …], the update is image based with a delta on changed files from last image
 change the base image, and small chance there is a file conflict and it wont boot or something breaks in wierd ways
 if the app you install doesnt really touch the base system, it 'should' be ok
 ive mostly used for small terminal apps
 if you want to try a graphical app, the best course is using a libertine container
 Libertine hasn't worked for me as of yet.
 it's really easy to reflash and OTA comes every other month or so, so I don't think it's really a big risk. Just make sure when you update, you have an available PC 😄
 but yeah, the app you want may or may not work
 also, there's Ubsync for syncing to Nextcloud … not yet available for arm64 though
 @Javacookies [also, there's Ubsync for syncing to Nextcloud … not yet available for arm64 though], Ah, good to know. Hopefully it will become available as that would enhance my use case enormously.
 @Javacookies [also, there's Ubsync for syncing to Nextcloud … not yet available for arm64 though], what did that app need depandancy wise to get on arm64
 I wasn't able to follow the discussion about that
 anyone trying it? i know a few were trying linphone, but that needed cpu features and was hardcoded for some depandancies
 so linphone looked like quite a lot of work needed
 I think it's something similar to that
[13:54] <ubptgbot> <Steve Kueffer> @mateosalta [so linphone looked like quite a lot of work needed], Indeed, it doesn't work for arm64 devices yet. I've tried to compile it manually, but failed to... Some dependencies are not satisfied. It seems that Linphone development is at a standstill (latest version: 04/12/2019)
[13:57] <ubptgbot> <Steve Kueffer> @mateosalta [so linphone looked like quite a lot of work needed], [Edit] Indeed, it doesn't work for arm64 devices yet. I've tried to compile it manually, but failed to... Some dependencies are not satisfied.  … https://gitlab.com/ubports-linphone/linphone-simple/-/issues/49 … It seems that Linphone development is at a standstill (l
[13:57] <ubptgbot> atest version: 04/12/2019)
[13:57] <ubptgbot> Kry9toN was added by: Kry9toN
 @Alexi [hi everybody, is it there any roadmap for the ubports state on the pinephone? I …], If there was a good GIF to show a fork in a road with 10,000 options I'd show that now.  :)
 (Photo, 259x194) https://irc.ubports.com/tSjk4XJz.png
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/HsdwhyUO.mp4
 Who here would be interested in an Aquaris M10 FHD in great condition?
 OTA-16 should have been released to all devices by now, right? … I should give up waiting for the push notification? 😆
 The push notification doesn't come. But maybe @Flohack could help me make one?
 Some weeks ago, I got one on my MX4 which is on RC
 RC does because it releases all at once
 The script has a built-in push notification sender
 it's not too important to me, I just like the feeling of getting it acting like I'm not active in the community and doesn't know there's an update 😂
 though it's definitely good to have for exactly the people opposite of us 😄
 I go to the update page often, but users who don't might want or need notifications for important app and system updates?
 yeah, having them for apps may be more complicated but it's already implemented for system updates. The gradual rollout of OTAs seems to interfere with it though.
 @TartanSpartan [Will test in the morning in bright light conditions (since people have identifie …], I said this, but then of course the weather today is grey and dreary enough as to be uncooperative with my plans. Another time!
 @UniversalSuperBox [The push notification doesn't come. But maybe @Flohack could help me make one?], Try the push test app from Krille
 @Flohack [Try the push test app from Krille], I mean for updates
[17:40] <ubptgbot> M B was added by: M B
 How to activate IP over USB when MTP is enabled? When I plug my device I can open it in the file explorer but I want to SSH into it like i did before enabling MTP
 You can do ssh over adb
 https://t.me/ubports/145493
 @dohbee [You can do ssh over adb], Thanks, I guess that I need to find out how to activate ADB first :) Any advice? My port is still in progress, it seems that it might be my next milestone :)
 @dohbee [https://t.me/ubports/145493], Thanks, it will be usefull once ADB will be working :)
 @Oliv4945 [Thanks, I guess that I need to find out how to activate ADB first :) Any advice? …], does enabling developer mode not work?
 No
 @dohbee [does enabling developer mode not work?], No 😁
 you can maybe do `android-gadget-service enable ssh` on the phone, and add your public key to `~/.ssh/authorized_keys` on the device and then ssh to it over wifi
 @dohbee [you can maybe do android-gadget-service enable ssh on the phone, and add your pu …], Yes thanks. SSH over Wi-Fi does work but there is still an issue where Wi-Fi does not auto reconnect after reboot, painful during the porting process. Then SSH is enabled by default, should I disable it by default?
 @Oliv4945 [Yes thanks. SSH over Wi-Fi does work but there is still an issue where Wi-Fi doe …], it should be disabled by default in any port, yes.
 Ok, which property override should be use please?
 and even on my nexus 4, sometimes it is still on wifi but i can no longer resolve the ip for it, or the route drops for some reason and i have to manually reconnect it to be able to ssh in again
 i don't know. afaik it's not already enabled by default
 so if you haven't changed a property to enable it by default it should be off
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 ssh doesn't seem to start every reboot unless developer mode is enabled
 that makes sense
 The way the ssh startup was done is kinda dumb. There's a writable `ssh.override` in /etc/init... but /etc/init is scanned for files before `mountall` runs, which is what mounts your modified `ssh.override`
 Ok thank you all, I do not have `ssh.override` property but I guess that Kugi Eusebio  is correct, I think I only tried with dev mode enabled
 It's not a property, it's a file. But that's only one way that people use to try to make SSH work.
 The property is a different method, and I'm not sure exactly what it takes into account before issuing a `start ssh` command.
 @UniversalSuperBox [It's not a property, it's a file. But that's only one way that people use to try …], Ah ok thanks. So I just checked: developer mode disabled (after a fresh install), SSH server is activated
 @dohbee [does enabling developer mode not work?], The problem is that is broken e.g. on Halium 7.1 and I also think on 5.1
 Only MTP works there
 why?
 so developer mode doesn't work on any halium devices?
 @dohbee [so developer mode doesn't work on any halium devices?], NOt on any of mine yes :) - The message back then was: "We want SSH to be the favoured debug method since this is smth that can be common to all Halium devices as well as Non-Android phones"
 So nobody ever fixed it there I would say. Basically adb is not started or smth like this
 @Flohack [So nobody ever fixed it there I would say. Basically adb is not started or smth …], Ah OK, thanks :)
 So you only SSH over Wi-Fi when MTP is enabled?
 @Nibor [Gonna ask it here first before trying. If I set my filesystem to r/w so I can ru …], the chance the opposite is higher: ota updates breaking your deskltop app
 or nuking the desktop app 😂
 [Edit] or rather ota updates nuking the desktop app 😂
 @Oliv4945 [So you only SSH over Wi-Fi when MTP is enabled?], i guess the problem is that adbd is not running for some reason on those devices; you can ssh over wifi regardless of whether MTP is enabled, as long as ssh is enabled
 @dohbee [i guess the problem is that adbd is not running for some reason on those devices …], Yes this is also my understanding at this point, I guess that it is one more reason to fix fix reconnection after boot soon 😂
 @Oliv4945 [So you only SSH over Wi-Fi when MTP is enabled?], Thats what I do. Seems some reports show that MTP+ADB mode works again in Halium 9 but I cant confirm so far
 @Flohack [Thats what I do. Seems some reports show that MTP+ADB mode works again in Halium …], Thanks. Is there any known issue with MTP? It is working with arm64 rootfs but only after the firstreboot. And does not work with rmhf rootfs
 And is there a way to rename it? Having `SAMSUNG Android` for an UBTouch device is weird :)
[21:02] <ubptgbot> <Mertcan herolte> cant ssh to phone
[21:02] <ubptgbot> <Mertcan herolte> help
 @Mertcan herolte [cant ssh to phone], You need to open a console. Edit ssh config and enable password authentication. Then system ssh restart. You also need to setup a pin and use it as password.
[21:07] <ubptgbot> <Mertcan herolte> my phone going to burn its very hot
 @Mertcan herolte [my phone going to burn its very hot], Do you have a refrigerator? Get some ice :)
[21:08] <ubptgbot> <Mertcan herolte> how to edit ssh config
 @Mertcan herolte [cant ssh to phone], This may help you: https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/userguide/advanceduse/ssh.html
[21:09] <ubptgbot> <Mertcan herolte> this group faster than apple
[21:09] <ubptgbot> <Mertcan herolte> lol
[21:09] <ubptgbot> <Mertcan herolte> for helping
 @klaartje_b [This may help you: https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/userguide/advanceduse/ssh. …], Yes that guide has served me very well as I've set up two new(ish) devices this week and it's even faster than waiting for troubleshoot feedback say on this supergroup.
 Also I do love how certain devices like the Volla create a new category: entirely wireless. There's very little reason to either charge or transfer data with a cable anymore besides maybe OTG charging from a battery pack- and thus the USB port and device in general should have a significantly improved lifespan.
 @TotalSonic [Ok, so diving into it Syncthing isn't so hard to setup after all.  Almost there. …], You are welcome. Happy it fit in a usecase you have. Now I just need to find the time to build the latest version.
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 @bisbg [You need to open a console. Edit ssh config and enable password authentication. …], no, one just needs to add their public key to authorized keys. please don't default to telling people to make their devices less secure by enabling password auth for ssh
[22:34] <ubptgbot> <Barrett Richards> OMG guys🚀🚀🚀🚀🚀 … https://cutt.ly/bxhbOVF EIIIon Mmusskk crazy!!!
 @Oliv4945 [Thanks. Is there any known issue with MTP? It is working with arm64 rootfs but o …], Actually it is working also on armhf, but the phone has to be rebooted after the first install :/
[23:14] <ubptgbot> <Mertcan herolte> im working on fix sdcard, ubports can see sdcard from lsblk and names it "mmcblk0", i tried mount it with
[23:15] <ubptgbot> <Mertcan herolte> mount -t sdcardfs /dev/mmcblk0 /home/phablet/sdcard
[23:15] <ubptgbot> <Mertcan herolte> and phone crashed
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