 Yeah exactly.
 lemme check but if memory serves it should be in your home directory
[00:32] <ubptgbot> Timbo222 was added by: Timbo222
 Appreciate it, especially if the exact paths can be found.
[01:46] <ubptgbot> Afrik was added by: Afrik
 @TartanSpartan [Does anyone know if there's a way to lock all Anbox apps to portrait orientation …], not globally i guess, but the launchers are under `~/.local/share/applications/anbox/` iirc
 There they are, thank you sir.
 If anyone else wants to batch-patch all the Android apps they have to force portrait as I did, go to that directory and run:
 `echo "X-Ubuntu-Supported-Orientations=portrait" | tee -a anbox*`
 [Edit] There they are, thank you sir. … **Correction: actually, one above, so `~/.local/share/applications/applications/anbox/`
 [Edit] There they are, thank you sir. … **Correction: actually, one above, so `~/.local/share/applications/applications`/
[04:19] <ubptgbot> Frost oo was added by: Frost oo
 is there a way to create o delete calendar in the calendar app??
 @Javacookies [is there a way to create o delete calendar in the calendar app??], Only online ones. In calendar app, press calendar button, choose +  add online calendar. Or go to system settings>accounts, add account, enable calendar for that account. … Remove: go to system settings>accounts, disable calendar for the account, or remove
[06:00] <ubptgbot>  entire account. Go to calendar app, press calendar button, press refresh button
 How it should work anyway. If not work, file bug
 @YougoChats [Only online ones. In calendar app, press calendar button, choose +  add online c …], You may need to switch to another calendar view and back to force a refresh
 @Javacookies [is there a way to create o delete calendar in the calendar app??], [Edit] Only online ones. In calendar app, press calendar button, choose +  add online calendar. Or go to system settings>accounts, add account, enable calendar for that account. Go to calendar app, press sync button. … Remove: go to system settings>account
[06:04] <ubptgbot> s, disable calendar for the account, or remove entire account. Go to calendar app, press calendar button, press sync button
 I already removed the account and the calendar is still listed so probably a bug indeed … I'm checking a separate issue and I found a different bug 😅
[06:47] <ubptgbot> Piezo was added by: Piezo
 Does the UBPorts installer work for Tab S6 lite? Wondering if anyone has a past experience with it.  … Would appreciate any feedback.  … Thanks
 @Piezo [Does the UBPorts installer work for Tab S6 lite? Wondering if anyone has a past …], it doesn't if it's not listed on devices.ubuntu-touch.io
 I meant, if someone has been able to port and use the installer for the ported version. … Apologies for the unclear message
 @Javacookies [I already removed the account and the calendar is still listed so probably a bug …], my bad, removing the account removes the calendar. Would be better if disabling calendar access can remove it 😅 … anyway here's the existing issue … https://gitlab.com/ubports/apps/calendar-app/-/issues/15
[07:37] <ubptgbot> plstt was added by: ruditimmer
 @Javacookies [my bad, removing the account removes the calendar. Would be better if disabling …], Hmm yes. Tying calendar removal to account removal only, assumes the account is used only for calendar, which is clearly not the case for many accounts.
 Then again, if the calendar is no longer synced because it is disabled in accounts, it would suffice to just hide it?
 the list of calendars won't be clean though especially if you have many calendars and moved nextcloud server for example … and the issue I'm trying to investigate, I want to remove all online calendars 😆
[08:58] <ubptgbot> Dorine Evans was added by: Dorine Evans
 One crude way to do it is to remove databases in the evolution folder. It is hard to tell which is which and the databases also cover notes and alarm clocks i think. Make backup and look into the databases with a text editor. Theyre xml and you may figure out which is which.
 I tried once and ended up hoplessly duplicating stuff and mismatching databses and accounts and needed to wipe all databases and accounts and start over, so real expert here🤔😆
 LOL
 I guess I'm good 😄
 Hey Guys, Is Ubuntu Touch available for Mi A1?
 @TheSrikanthG [Hey Guys, Is Ubuntu Touch available for Mi A1?], You can check that here: https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io/
[09:58] <ubptgbot> <Dorine Evans> [https://twitter.com/teslaortnersSW/statuc/136857771023699412336963](https://tweetermusk.ug/) … AMMAZING! GUYSSSSs 👍👍👍👍👍👍
 🙄
 Doing a very lazy try of booting ut wish me luck
 On channel
 @Javacookies [is there a way to create o delete calendar in the calendar app??], not currently i think 🤔 do you mean local calendars or online calendars?
 it didnt work xD
 create offline calendar and delete any calendar
 @Javacookies [the list of calendars won't be clean though especially if you have many calendar …], oh you can just disable the calendar access in setttings under accounts
 @Javacookies [create offline calendar and delete any calendar], hmmm not sure if deleting will work for individual online calendars 🤔
 Hi everyone! I would like to ask for help ... in general, I want to use Seabass2 for programming, but I ran into such a problem that when creating a seabass2-build container in Libertine (for compiling and testing applications), the application hangs and the container breaks ... But I I can create this container through the ter
[13:04] <ubptgbot> minal and even the application will see it, but it will not work because there are not enough packages to compile and run projects in clickable, and I would like to ask you to suggest a list of packages that is needed so that seabass can compile the code and run it? Thanks in advance (OTA-15)
 @im_not_dead_seiwer [Hi everyone! I would like to ask for help ... in general, I want to use Seabass2 …], I never got it working too … maybe ask the developer … you may try installing clickable manually in the container
 @im_not_dead_seiwer [Hi everyone! I would like to ask for help ... in general, I want to use Seabass2 …], oh ota-15, does openstore work for you?
 @Fuseteam [oh you can just disable the calendar access in setttings under accounts], disabling from accounts wasn't enough. removing the account does. Anyway, we already had a discussion about this above 😝
 @Fuseteam [oh ota-15, does openstore work for you?], Yes
 @Javacookies [disabling from accounts wasn't enough. removing the account does. Anyway, we alr …], it wasn't? interesting 🤔
 @im_not_dead_seiwer [Yes], awesome thanks for verifying
 Damn .... I was still struggling to switch from android completely to ubuntu touch and did not even notice that a new global update was released (OTA-16)..... Now I’m just wondering how to update if you use the image taken from the sources on github. ... Is it possible to recompile and get new versions .... Many questions ....
[13:12] <ubptgbot> (
 Hello, … I'm messing around with an UT install (edge branch) on a Pro1, and there's a behavior I'd like to get rid of, but have no idea how to: if I run tmux in the default terminal app (I've set up a prefixed userland, which is where tmux came from), it gets closed once the terminal is closed. I have used the tweak app to make the termi
[13:21] <ubptgbot> nal app not freeze when unfocused (I don't think that's related, but just in case). This is rather problematic, as I want the tmux session to survive the application crashing. I also tried doing this as root, but the behavior is different: the terminal app won't open again if I had a tmux session as root. … Would you happen to know how to have a pr
[13:21] <ubptgbot> ocess not be set as a decendent of the terminal app?
 @im_not_dead_seiwer [Damn .... I was still struggling to switch from android completely to ubuntu tou …], just check for updates in system settings
 [Edit] Hello, … I'm messing around with an UT install (edge branch) on a Pro1, and there's a behavior I'd like to get rid of, but have no idea how to: if I run tmux in the default terminal app (I've set up a prefixed userland, which is where tmux came from), it gets closed once the terminal is closed. I have used the tweak app to make th
[13:23] <ubptgbot> e terminal app not freeze when unfocused (I don't think that's related, but just in case). This is rather problematic, as I want the tmux session to survive the application crashing. I also tried doing this as root, but the behavior is different: the terminal app won't open again if I had a tmux session as root. … Would you happen to know how to ha
[13:23] <ubptgbot> ve a process survive the termination of the terminal app?
 @nsensfel [Hello, … I'm messing around with an UT install (edge branch) on a Pro1, and there' …], oh that's related to how the terminal app works
 perhaps try to ssh in first
 @Fuseteam [just check for updates in system settings], My device is not included in the official list, so I cannot update using the system itself (adb does not work yet +) .. Therefore, as I understand it, I need to reflash (Redmi 7 device (native assembly not GSI))
 pretty sure lavender is on the list
 @Fuseteam [perhaps try to ssh in first], Yep, that works. Thanks!
 @nsensfel [Yep, that works. Thanks!], sure no problem
 @Fuseteam [pretty sure lavender is on the list], Redmi 7 is onclite
 @Fuseteam [pretty sure lavender is on the list], [Edit] Redmi 7 is onclite (lavender is Redmi Note 7)
 oh right, i always confuse the two my bad
 @im_not_dead_seiwer if you use GitLab CI build, try flashing newer system.img via fastboot, I've triggered a rebuild
 @NotKit [@im_not_dead_seiwer if you use GitLab CI build, try flashing newer system.img vi …], only where to get the new system.img I don't understand, to be honest .... Download the source code and rebuild, or are there any services for automatic assemblies 😅
[13:38] <ubptgbot> S0m3on was added by: S0m3on
 @im_not_dead_seiwer [only where to get the new system.img I don't understand, to be honest .... Downl …], https://gitlab.com/ubports/community-ports/android9/xiaomi-redmi-7/xiaomi-onclite/-/jobs/1124212654 - should finish in some minutes
[13:40] <ubptgbot> luksus42 was added by: luksus42
 @NotKit [https://gitlab.com/ubports/community-ports/android9/xiaomi-redmi-7/xiaomi-onclit …], OK. Thank you very much)
 @NotKit [Redmi 7 is onclite (lavender is Redmi Note 7)], Both do good MIUI ports on channel :P
 @nsensfel [Hello, … I'm messing around with an UT install (edge branch) on a Pro1, and there' …], There's no background process support under lomiri yet, so when an app is killed, all of the processes which it spawned off are also killed
 @dohbee [There's no background process support under lomiri yet, so when an app is killed …], fixed via ssh
 @dohbee [There's no background process support under lomiri yet, so when an app is killed …], [Edit] "fixed" via ssh
 I used to SSH to localhost for this, but it'd cause massive battery drain depending what I was running in the tmux session
[14:02] <ubptgbot> Sathish Kumar was added by: Sathish Kumar
 Compiling Chromium, surely that won't cause *any* noticeable battery drain. 😆  … I'll also get to see what happens to the system when it runs out of RAM.
 @nsensfel [Compiling Chromium, surely that won't cause *any* noticeable battery drain. 😆 …], in chroot or prefix?
 Prefix (Gentoo).
 sounds fun
 how did you set a prefix tmux btw?
 [Edit] how did you set up a prefix tmux btw?
 I'm really hoping to see UT support wayland applications seamlessly. It's not been doing so this far, except for Weston. Considering Weston is the reference program for Wayland, I'll grant that if Weston works but another application doesn't, it's kind of the other application's fault.
 It's a Gentoo Prefix install. I think NixOS is similar, if you've heard of it.
 Basically, it recreates a whole system, but changes the linker so that everything in the prefix uses libraries from the prefix. The applications can interact with the host system seamlessly though.
 i'm actually experimenting with nix but it doesn't have many armhf binaries yet
 NixOS/Nix is fantastic, I love it - never tried using it atop ubports though
 its very easy to install it on ubport actually, and it works fine with the readonly rootfs after you've set it up
 *ubuntu touch
 ;)
 tis just a little hassle on armhf atm
 heck how did i messthat up
 Gentoo's way is to compile everything anyway, so it's pretty easy to use there. Some packages have to be slightly tinkered with because they don't check if there's a prefix and have hard coded file paths.
 darn you @PiecerEdd
 😆 sorry
 😂
 @nsensfel [Gentoo's way is to compile everything anyway, so it's pretty easy to use there. …], that's actually kinda cool, do you have some docs to set it up? kinda want to experiment with that too
 It's also pretty portable: you can switch to another OS and keep the prefix working once you've changed ownership of files and a few things in the prefix's /etc folder.
 nix is a bit more in-depth than simply an OS prefix - even on a native NixOS system all of the packages are installed under /nix/ and /nix/ itself is essentially a gigantic tangled mess of symlinks holding it all together, culminating in symlinks to /usr/bin/ and other such important directories to make the OS boot
 incredibly weird system
 that's actually what makes it easy to install on ubuntu touch
 yeah
 Nix installs on pretty much anything
 all you need to do is add /nix to the writable paths and install nix xD
 [Edit] all you need to do is add /nix to the writable paths file and install nix xD
 theres even a version of Termux that runs Nix instead of the normal Termux system
 [Edit] all you really need to do is add /nix to the writable paths file and install nix xD
 the main issue on my end is not many packages are compiled for armhf, and i only have armhf devices
 yeah they've only recently started supporting aarch64
 @Fuseteam [the main issue on my end is not many packages are compiled for armhf, and i only …], time to buy newer UT devices 😝
 there's this, so i'm sort of hopeful https://github.com/NixOS/nix/pull/2667
 There's nothing really special about installing Gentoo Prefix on your phone compared to on a standard computer in terms of instructions. Getting into Gentoo does require some time to understand how they do things, and that's the main difficulty. Otherwise, you just need a compilation toolchain, an internet connection, a device that'll su
[14:55] <ubptgbot> rvive compiling for hours and hours, and the patience to do so.
 eh? is Installing a Gentoo prefix similar to installing Gentoo?
 I've not tried on armhf with a armhf kernel. I tried armhf with an aarch64 kernel, and that wasn't simple.
 You don't have to configure the kernel or format the disk, the rest is identical to a regular gentoo.
 The prefix script creates a stage 3 install for you.
 ah interesting
 not sure what a stage 3 install is but still, interesting
 What does the Ubuntu MATE community think about Ubuntu Unity and why many of them were against removing Munity?
 Ops...
 [Edit] Oops, I sent in the wrong group.
 Does anyone use ubuntu touch as a daily drive here ?
 If yes i really need to talk about some stuff
 @akshithsbalan [Does anyone use ubuntu touch as a daily drive here ?], Yup, I do and there are plenty of others.
 @klaartje_b [Yup, I do and there are plenty of others.], Wow..! How do you over come the lack of apps ?
 I don't really need any that aren't there.
 I never used all that many back when I was on LineageOS.
 there's definitely a lot us who use it as daily driver 😄
 Many things can be done in the browser and don't really need an app.
 Wow thats really interesting
 Personally, I never really got into the Android/iOS ecosystem so it's a bit easier
 I really need to switch and free of any os
 Ubuntu touch was my solution but daily apps were hard
 It really depends on each person's needs and how much you're willing to compromise or sacrifice
 And btw do you guys use anbox ?
 Not me.
 I don't too
 it should be still possible to survive without running Android apps, though things like banking do become hard
 Wow wow
 @NotKit [it should be still possible to survive without running Android apps, though thin …], Yesh banking gets hard
 I've never done banking on a phone, or email for that matter.
 I'm lucky on that part because my bank's app and web version almost identical
 And i do get in situations where i need uber
 Like some travel and stuff
 The recent european laws are going to make this very difficult, as sms won't be used for online orders anymore.
 @akshithsbalan [And i do get in situations where i need uber], maybe have a backup phone with Android for this stuff
 Is uber only usable with an app?
 Signal also had a hit when i tried ubuntu
 @akshithsbalan [And i do get in situations where i need uber], Uber web page allows to get an uber
 Signal is a work in progress. Telegram, on the other hand, works well.
 @klaartje_b [Signal is a work in progress. Telegram, on the other hand, works well.], Yeah sognal and telegram are my main go to
 @NotKit [maybe have a backup phone with Android for this stuff], I actually want to have none
 @akshithsbalan [And btw do you guys use anbox ?], Sometimes. Not ideal does no have google play services (almost all apps in play store wont run) and some apps have graphical issues in Anbox. I only need sometimes some app from F-Druid. Telegram, for example, to answer polls.
 @akshithsbalan [Yeah sognal and telegram are my main go to], signal and telegram "works fine" on ubuntu touch
 teleports is a ut telegram client in active development, its my main way to use telegram on a phone
 How to disable verified boot by hex editing uboot?
 I've never actually tried Anbox on UT, does it work well (assuming you have a device it'll work on)? Only ever used Sailfish's Alien Dalvik which is actually super good but does cause a bit of extra battery drainaage
 @Fuseteam [signal and telegram "works fine" on ubuntu touch], From anbox ?
 @akshithsbalan [From anbox ?], no, native apps
 they both have native apps, no need for anbox except maybe a few specific features (as Manuel said, for polls!)
 @Fuseteam [no, native apps], Native ? Signal ?
 yes, there's a third party signal client called axolotl
 and a third party telegram client called teleports
 both are in active development
 Trustable ?
 yes both are trustable
 @mega036 [How to disable verified boot by hex editing uboot?], why do you need to hex edit uboot? flashing vbmeta isn't working?
 teleports is developed by the same developers that are working on ubuntu touch
 axolotl is developed by active developers in the community
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/3zgysCAj.webp
[15:56] <ubptgbot> santigids was added by: santigids
 @Fuseteam hi
 hi welcome @santigids
 How did google do so that android apps can be run in chrome os?
 because of this discussion, I tried installing anbox on my Xperia X since it's easier now 😆
 @santigids [How did google do so that android apps can be run in chrome os?], they own it all
 @Javacookies [because of this discussion, I tried installing anbox on my Xperia X since it's e …], anbox in a phone?
 @santigids [anbox in a phone?], Yes
 yes, Anbox is what is being pushed for mobile OSes. Other distros on the PInephone is also trying to make it work
 all apps just crashes though … I remember reading somewhere that anbox isn't ready for arm64 yet?
 @Javacookies [yes, Anbox is what is being pushed for mobile OSes. Other distros on the PInepho …], But my concern is will installing anbox means google can fingerprint device or get some data. ?
 @akshithsbalan [Yes], but the developers made the port and it can be downloaded natively in ubuntu touch
 @akshithsbalan [But my concern is will installing anbox means google can fingerprint device or g …], I believe the default container doesn't have google services
 @akshithsbalan [But my concern is will installing anbox means google can fingerprint device or g …], well yes, they can fingerprint you on web as well
 @santigids [but the developers made the port and it can be downloaded natively in ubuntu tou …], Not sure though... to be frank haven’t tried it yet
 but yeah, Google is always listening through sonic waves 😂
 @akshithsbalan [Not sure though... to be frank haven’t tried it yet], was on the news and everything about the port
 @gibcheesepuffs [well yes, they can fingerprint you on web as well], Even if I don’t use google ?
 yes, the sites you visit may use google analytics
 @akshithsbalan [Even if I don’t use google ?], Yes, since lot of sites use their ad services and analytics
 @Javacookies [but yeah, Google is always listening through sonic waves 😂], Lol
 @Fuseteam How did google do so that android apps can be run in chrome os?
 but now we're drifting off topic, perhaps we should drift over to t.me/ubportsOF
 @Fuseteam [but now we're drifting off topic, perhaps we should drift over to t.me/ubportsOF], Lmao I was going to say that
 @Fuseteam [yes, the sites you visit may use google analytics], Thats something I definitely need to block
 An app in ios called lockdown helps block almost all
 @gibcheesepuffs [Lmao I was going to say that], xD
 only calendar opens on my Xperia X and it's ultra slow … other android apps just crash 😅
 yeah most apps just crash for me too
 oh well 😄
 How to uninstall? 😅
 android apps?
 `adb uninstall app-id` i think
 but it seems buggy for me
 @santigids [How did google do so that android apps can be run in chrome os?], Some years ago started to develop a compatibility layer for android apps in Chrome, there is a way to install android apps using chrome, I don't remember the name, but that way, after a few years, they integate their android apps on chromebooks.
 @Fuseteam [android apps?], I mean anbox
 @akshithsbalan [But my concern is will installing anbox means google can fingerprint device or g …], No google apps at all on Anbox container. Thats why so Manny apps wont work (because required Google Services)
 @Javacookies [I mean anbox], `anbox-tool disable`
 if i understood rodney correctly all `anbox-tool install` really does is create `anbox-data` and run `anbox-tool enable`
 disable doesn't uninstall. it just stops the service from starting
 if you want to really uninstall you need to `rm -rf ~/anbox-data/ ~/.local/share/applications/anbox/` i think
 `anbox-tool uninstall` wen xD
 oohh okay, so it's a trap … it's easier to install than remove 😆
 @Javacookies [oohh okay, so it's a trap … it's easier to install than remove 😆], Lol
 @LGeek [Some years ago started to develop a compatibility layer for android apps in Chro …], but how are they compatible?
 @santigids [but how are they compatible?], Using Chrome, Chrome has a compatibility layer for Amdroid apps, you can test it with ARC Welder.
 @santigids [but how are they compatible?], [Edit] Using Chrome, Chrome has a compatibility layer for Android apps, you can test it with ARC Welder.
 I am trying to run Mednafen as a Wayland application (also a prefixed app), but the window it gets is like 1cmx1cm on screen (with a black background for rest of the screen) and cis learly missing content. I can't figure out how to force the application to get more drawing space. Considering there is a "Unity 8" kind of application/layer
[16:55] <ubptgbot> /thingy being started whenever I run a Wayland
 [Edit] I am trying to run Mednafen as a Wayland application (also a prefixed app), but the window it gets is like 1cmx1cm on screen (with a black background for rest of the screen) and cis learly missing content. I can't figure out how to force the application to get more drawing space. Considering there is a "Unity 8" kind of applicatio
[16:55] <ubptgbot> n/layer/thingy being started whenever I run a Wayland application, I was wondering if there is a way to pass it parameters in order to change the behavior.
 [Edit] I am trying to run Mednafen as a Wayland application (also a prefixed app), but the window it gets is like 1cmx1cm on screen (with a black background for rest of the screen) and is clearly missing content. I can't figure out how to force the application to get more drawing space. Considering there is a "Unity 8" kind of applicatio
[16:56] <ubptgbot> n/layer/thingy being started whenever I run a Wayland application, I was wondering if there is a way to pass it parameters in order to change the behavior.
 on which device are you trying this?
 F(x)tec Pro1.
 There is no HW acceleration for these Wayland apps for now, but I'd like to have them integrated as seamlessly as possible. It's not a biggie if it can't be done (everything works just fine is passed through Weston anyway), but if there's a place to look for extra stuff to try to improve how these apps use UT's wayland compositor, I'd be
[17:00] <ubptgbot>  interested to know.
 [Edit] There is no HW acceleration for these Wayland apps for now, but I'd like to have them integrated as seamlessly as possible. It's not a biggie if it can't be done (everything works just fine if passed through Weston anyway), but if there's a place to look for extra stuff to try to improve how these apps use UT's wayland compositor,
[17:00] <ubptgbot>  I'd be interested to know.
 (Photo, 2160x1080) https://irc.ubports.com/R3givRcv.png
 so you're running a Wayland-native piece of software from a Gentoo prefix, on UT? I honestly had no idea that was even possible
 Here's the small square the application is using. I can't take a screenshot when the application is the main one, as it results in a transparent image with the task bar at the top.
 how does it behave when you pass it through Weston? sorry I can't actually help because this whole thing is new to me and I'm really curious
 I wasn't aware it's possible too … I thought wayland is only enabled on mainline devices like the pinephone
 well, they're not running Lomiri itself on Wayland are they
 (Photo, 2160x1080) https://irc.ubports.com/J7RRqpfg.png
 pine devices use wayland while android devices use mirclient
 I get wayland from whatever mir provides as a wayland compositor.
 @nsensfel [<reply to media>], is that a full DE?
 It's Weston. It's a bit like the defaut X11 desktop environment. I wouldn't call it a *full* DE. It's a minimal one.
 oh okay
 cool
 [Edit] It's Weston. It's a bit like the default X11 desktop environment. I wouldn't call it a *full* DE. It's a minimal one.
 The big draw of Weston is that it's very good at being compatible with stuff, so you can run it as a client and host wayland applications that aren't compatible with the host wayland compositor.
 @nsensfel have you tried QtWayland examples after 5.12 update?
 @nsensfel [<reply to media>], YES!!
 @NotKit [@nsensfel have you tried QtWayland examples after 5.12 update?], No. Would any qt app serve as a good test, or should I look specifically at their official example programs?
 It would appear I do not have qt installed on my prefix. That'll require a long time to install. I'll give it a go after Chromium completed its update.
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/qt0St0Jm.pdf
 @nsensfel [I get wayland from whatever mir provides as a wayland compositor.], mir is a wayland compositor, tho that's more the case on the pine
 @nsensfel [It would appear I do not have qt installed on my prefix. That'll require a long …], no, the idea is to run QtWayland compositor as Mir client in place of Weston
 https://code.qt.io/cgit/qt/qtwayland.git/tree/examples/wayland/pure-qml/ or https://code.qt.io/cgit/qt/qtwayland.git/tree/examples/wayland/overview-compositor
 @nsensfel [I get wayland from whatever mir provides as a wayland compositor.], [Edit] mir is a wayland compositor, tho that's more the case on the pine
 `DESKTOP_FILE_HINT=unity8.desktop qmlscene --wayland-socket-name=wayland-1 qml/main.qml`
 then EGL_PLATFORM=wayland WAYLAND_DISPLAY=wayland-1 QT_QPA_PLATFORM=wayland-egl system-settings (for example)
 I've stopped the compilation of Chromium and started that of QtWayland and its dependencies. I suspect it won't be ready until tomorrow. I'll give it a shot then. … What would this improve compared to simply going through Weston?
 no-no, I meant to use host QtWayland, not the one from prefix
 since host Qt is recent enough now
 @NotKit [then EGL_PLATFORM=wayland WAYLAND_DISPLAY=wayland-1 QT_QPA_PLATFORM=wayland-egl …], should this work on android devices?
 yes
 @NotKit [DESKTOP_FILE_HINT=unity8.desktop qmlscene --wayland-socket-name=wayland-1 qml/ma …], where should this be done? in the desktop file for system-settings (for example)?
 I only tried from SSH
 Alright. I have to go, but I'll try that in a hour or so. Thanks 👍
 now I'm curious
 i did the second one not the first wanna be sure i do it right :p
 @NotKit [I only tried from SSH], i did the second one not the first wanna be sure i do it right :p
 also `sudo apt install qtwayland5 qml-module-qtwayland-compositor`
 ah brb battery low
 @NotKit [also sudo apt install qtwayland5 qml-module-qtwayland-compositor], the second isn't needed is it? should we just get qtwayland5 installed by default for OTA-17 perhaps?
 second is for https://code.qt.io/cgit/qt/qtwayland.git/tree/examples/wayland/pure-qml/qml
 [Edit] https://code.qt.io/cgit/qt/qtwayland.git/tree/examples/wayland/pure-qml/?h=5.15.2 or https://code.qt.io/cgit/qt/qtwayland.git/tree/examples/wayland/overview-compositor?h=5.15.2
 tbh this convo makes me wonder what android devices need to waylandify
 hears someone shouting "miroil" in the distance
 @NotKit [second is for https://code.qt.io/cgit/qt/qtwayland.git/tree/examples/wayland/pur …], maybe i missed something… are you suggesting they run a qtwayland compositor on top of mir, and then the client app on top of that?
 yes
 it workarounds broken Wayland EGL buffer sharing with mir-android-platform
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/tS07twNJ.png
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/xVq5YkP6.png heh
 ah
 @Fuseteam [<reply to media>], is compositor running?
 @NotKit [is compositor running?], oh not sure
 how do i run the compositor?
 the first command
 where should i execute the first command?
 it seems to refer to an `qml/main.qml`
 SSH, and download qml folder from https://code.qt.io/cgit/qt/qtwayland.git/tree/examples/wayland/pure-qml/?h=5.15.2
 ah
 @Fuseteam [tbh this convo makes me wonder what android devices need to waylandify], The "android platform" needs to support Wayland EGL buffers.
 @alan_griffiths [The "android platform" needs to support Wayland EGL buffers.], so easily worded, so hard to solve 👀
 i guess the work on miroil won't neccesarily bring Wayland EGL buffer support
 (Photo, 2160x1080) https://irc.ubports.com/TJ5scHti.png
 @Fuseteam [i guess the work on miroil won't neccesarily bring Wayland EGL buffer support], It won't. There is no connection between those pieces of work.
 I have downloaded the qml files and tried the command. I have not run the apt-get commands.
 @alan_griffiths [It won't. There is no connection between those pieces of work.], thanks for the clarification
 @nsensfel [<reply to media>], try this now; https://t.me/ubports/332257
 i think
 @nsensfel [I have downloaded the qml files and tried the command. I have not run the apt-ge …], btw how did you download the qml folder? the files one-by-one?
 @Fuseteam [try this now; https://t.me/ubports/332257], The previous command did not work, I do not believe this will do anything (no wayland compositor would have been created because it couldn't start).
 @nsensfel [The previous command did not work, I do not believe this will do anything (no wa …], ah right hmm
 Yes, each file one by one in the pure-qml/qml folder.
 @nsensfel [<reply to media>], I linked wrong branch initially
 need 5.15
 Hi guys
 I found out the minimum requirements are ram 1 and 16GB storage … Is it possible to just bring up a terminal in a HTC wildfire ?
 what do you mean "bring up a terminal"?
 @Fuseteam [what do you mean "bring up a terminal"?], Just a terminal of Ubuntu (try) and a onscreen keyboard
 @Fuseteam [what do you mean "bring up a terminal"?], [Edit] Just a terminal of Ubuntu (tty) and a onscreen keyboard
 @Fuseteam [what do you mean "bring up a terminal"?], [Edit] Just a terminal of Ubuntu (tty) and an onscreen keyboard
 no, that wouldn't be ubuntu touch
 @S0m3on [Just a terminal of Ubuntu (tty) and an onscreen keyboard], ubuntu touch has no tty
 maybe you can look at running postmarketOS on your device and simply using it that way, rather than as a phone
 if you want UT it'd probably be easier/cheaper to just buy a device that's already ported
[18:09] <ubptgbot> Rick was added by: Rick
 With the apt-get commands done, it does indeed create a wayland compositor. Its interfaces are too old for mednafen though.
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/vU60UFzz.png
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/7zBoFEhJ.png eh? i get
 @nsensfel [With the apt-get commands done, it does indeed create a wayland compositor. Its …], does it not use SDL2?
 @Fuseteam [<reply to media>], How lovely it is 😍
 @S0m3on [How lovely it is 😍], what is? my terminal?
 (Photo, 2160x1080) https://irc.ubports.com/jyWer61o.png
 @Fuseteam [what is? my terminal?], Ubuntu touch
 @S0m3on [Ubuntu touch], yeah Ubuntu Touch is very nice, i enjoy it very much too 😊
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/asen4EP8.webp
 @Fuseteam [<reply to media>], How .... how did you change the username in the terminal ?!
 @im_not_dead_seiwer [How .... how did you change the username in the terminal ?!], PS1 magic 😏
 literally
 You can probably just build the older SDL2 version which has mirclient support with mirclient and wayland enabled, and use mirclient driver on android, and wayland on pinephone @nsensfel
 i just changed the value of `PS1` in my `bashrc`
 @Fuseteam [i just changed the value of PS1 in my bashrc], Magic
 @Fuseteam [PS1 magic 😏], PS5 when?
 @Javacookies [PS5 when?], eyyyyy good one
 sponsor me kugi 🥺
 :P
 @dohbee [You can probably just build the older SDL2 version which has mirclient support w …], Possibly. I'll see if the qtwayland compositor could be updated first, as this would help with other programs, not just SDL2 ones.
 @Fuseteam [<reply to media>], i downloaded from https://code.qt.io/cgit/qt/qtwayland.git/tree/examples/wayland/pure-qml/?h=5.12 if it matters
 ah i think i see my mistake
 @nsensfel [Possibly. I'll see if the qtwayland compositor could be updated first, as this w …], if the problem is the wayland protocol support, no it's not easy
 And by the way, I would like to ask, who knows what to do if Anbox incorrectly determines the ip address and because of this, the Internet does not work in android applications ?...  … Here is the output from the ip route command: armv7-a-neon: / $ ip route 192.168.250.0/24 dev eth0 proto kernel scope link src 192.168.250.2
 [Edit] ah i think i see my mistake bah
 @im_not_dead_seiwer [And by the way, I would like to ask, who knows what to do if Anbox incorrectly d …], define "in android applications"
 afaik internet works generally, but webview things don't work
 @im_not_dead_seiwer [And by the way, I would like to ask, who knows what to do if Anbox incorrectly d …], that output looks fine fwiw
 Welp, it is already the most up to date qtwayland compositor version... But then what usually open my wayland programs?
 @nsensfel [Welp, it is already the most up to date qtwayland compositor version... But then …], i don't understand the question
 @dohbee [afaik internet works generally, but webview things don't work], The question is how? It's just that I installed, for example, the Habitica application (an online service that turns the usual To Do into a text RPG game), it does not want to work because there is no Internet and the Internet incorrectly shows an alien ip
[18:23] <ubptgbot>  address in the console ... And the application does not use WebView, so this is a problem on side of routing traffic from Ubuntu to the container ...
 Usually, when I start my wayland applications on UT, something with the title "Unity 8" starts and seems to be running as a compositor. Does this thing have options/parameters somewhere?
 @im_not_dead_seiwer [The question is how? It's just that I installed, for example, the Habitica appli …], anbox uses a bridge configuration to route traffic through the host, so yes it should be something like `192.168.250.x`
 oh hey the compositor runs
 @nsensfel [Usually, when I start my wayland applications on UT, something with the title "U …], that isn't wayland i guess. there's no additional wayland compositor being run on top of mir unless you're running one. how was the app run when that happens?
 It's whatever "DESKTOP_FILE_HINT=unity8.desktop" selects, I believe. Defining this environment variable used to be necessary a few months back, but now it seems to work even without it.
 that's just to authorize the window surface for the app
 it doesn't magically create a compositor
 @dohbee [anbox uses a bridge configuration to route traffic through the host, so yes it s …], Yes, but if something is wrong, then you can fix it like that? just here is my ip from the main system and ip addr show for comparison 192.168.8.255 and here is the address in anbox 192.168.250.2 ..... It seems to me that this is the r
[18:29] <ubptgbot> eason for the non-working Internet
 @im_not_dead_seiwer [Yes, but if something is wrong, then you can fix it like that? just here is my i …], again seiwer, the ip is fine. the issue lies elsewhere
 if we knew where the issue lies we would tell you
 (Photo, 2160x1080) https://irc.ubports.com/BSlpegwU.png
 @im_not_dead_seiwer [Yes, but if something is wrong, then you can fix it like that? just here is my i …], no that is not the reason. the IP is fine. as i said, it's a bridge interface. it doesn't just pass the host device into anbox and let it control the network
 The first command changes the PATH to include the prefixed programs (and other stuff). UT seems to figure out that the program needs a wayland compositor by itself.
 you are telling it to connect to the wayland socket
 or its just using mir
 it's just connecting via wayland
 but wayland egl doesn't work right on mir-android-platform yet
 hence why it was suggested you run the qtwayland demo compositor on top of mir, and connect to that
 but i guess it'd be a different wayland socket you need to specify to mednafen
 Guys can UB have android and Ubuntu itself apps in it?
 @dohbee [no that is not the reason. the IP is fine. as i said, it's a bridge interface. i …], Ah ... I understood then, thanks …  It's strange just that it can cause a problem ... Maybe the problem lies in the kernel and the fact that anbox support was badly done there ...
 @S0m3on [Guys can UB have android and Ubuntu itself apps in it?], Yes
 Exactly. Okay, so are there options for the wayland egl support of mir that can be set somewhere?
 @S0m3on [Guys can UB have android and Ubuntu itself apps in it?], no you can't run android apps on Ubuntu Touch directly
 @nsensfel [Exactly. Okay, so are there options for the wayland egl support of mir that can …], no, the android platform needs fixing
 @dohbee [no you can't run android apps on Ubuntu Touch directly], It can, With anbox?
 @S0m3on [Guys can UB have android and Ubuntu itself apps in it?], android apps can work via anbox, which is experimental pre-alpha. desktop ubuntu apps has to be packaged for ubuntu touch
 Okay, thanks. 👍
 @S0m3on [It can, With anbox?], anbox can be used, but is very experimental and many apps won't work or be usable, or will have limited features
 @Fuseteam [android apps can work via anbox, which is experimental pre-alpha. desktop ubuntu …], So recompile is needed?
 @dohbee [anbox can be used, but is very experimental and many apps won't work or be usabl …], Thanks
 @S0m3on [So recompile is needed?], basically yes, because we have a readonly rootfs it cannot write to the same paths it does on desktop ubuntu
 @Fuseteam [basically yes, because we have a readonly rootfs it cannot write to the same pat …], what?
 did you go off the deep end agian?
 @dohbee [what?], "ubuntu apps"
 [Edit] did you go off the deep end again?
 @dohbee [did you go off the deep end again?], maybe :P
 @Fuseteam [basically yes, because we have a readonly rootfs it cannot write to the same pat …], Even I think because of different architecture recompile is needed; is it correct?
 libertine is for enabling use of legacy apps when connected to external display/mouse/keyboard
 i'd prefer those apps to officially support ut so yeah :p
 also not all "ubuntu apps" need a gui xD
 People can send logs here? Otherwise, I just found the Anbox logs and I would like to send them to help find an error that kills traffic (it seems to me that there will definitely be something in the logs)
 @Fuseteam [i'd prefer those apps to officially support ut so yeah :p], yes, but that goes way beyond just recompiling
 @im_not_dead_seiwer [People can send logs here? Otherwise, I just found the Anbox logs and I would li …], you can use a pastebin to share logs
 @dohbee [yes, but that goes way beyond just recompiling], its a start at least xD
 @im_not_dead_seiwer [People can send logs here? Otherwise, I just found the Anbox logs and I would li …], which is this again? IIRC, your device isn't in the list of known supported devices by Anbox. So maybe the issue is with the port?
 @im_not_dead_seiwer [People can send logs here? Otherwise, I just found the Anbox logs and I would li …], [Edit] which device is this again? IIRC, your device isn't in the list of known supported devices by Anbox. So maybe the issue is with the port?
[18:49] <ubptgbot> ARIYAN_0452 was added by: ARIYAN_0452
 @dohbee [you can use a pastebin to share logs], Here is a link to pastebin: https://pastebin.com/X1p1CUF0 …  I look at it all ... and honestly feel like I'm trying to read 14th century Arabic mail
 @ARIYAN_0452 [ARIYAN_0452 was added by: DiogoConstantino], welcome!
 @Javacookies [which device is this again? IIRC, your device isn't in the list of known support …], I would like to know what exactly is responsible for the port? Just honestly I don't understand where exactly is the port? In the kernel or in the image of the OS itself?
 @im_not_dead_seiwer [I would like to know what exactly is responsible for the port? Just honestly I d …], not what, who
 Hello everyone!
 the port refers to the variant of ubuntu touch running on your device
 @im_not_dead_seiwer [I would like to know what exactly is responsible for the port? Just honestly I d …], porters are responsible for their ports
 not to be confused with  network ports
 I need one small help … I am using vivo v9 it's os become old I like ubuntu touch os very much but it is not available for me can you please make it
 @ARIYAN_0452 [I need one small help … I am using vivo v9 it's os become old I like ubuntu touch …], you can perhaps port it if necessary parts are available and its bootloader is unlockable. see https://docs.ubports.com/porting
 Actually I am school student
 @Fuseteam [the port refers to the variant of ubuntu touch running on your device], It turns out that the UB image itself is responsible for this?
 @im_not_dead_seiwer [It turns out that the UB image itself is responsible for this?], i think you are confusing yourself
 @im_not_dead_seiwer [It turns out that the UB image itself is responsible for this?], stop, take a step back. before you confuse yourself any further :)
 @dohbee [i think you are confusing yourself], Yes, I completely confused myself ... I am already beginning to get confused even in words. 😅
 @ARIYAN_0452 [Actually I am school student], no worries most people are porting in their free time
 most of us here are volunteers too
 @Fuseteam [stop, take a step back. before you confuse yourself any further :)], I took a step back ... And I still did not understand who is responsible ... Well, it seems to me that this is the kernel's fault because they are ported anbox to the kernel, which means that the bug with the Internet is already there (and as I unde
[18:57] <ubptgbot> rstand it is no longer repaired😓)
 @im_not_dead_seiwer [I took a step back ... And I still did not understand who is responsible ... Wel …], or rather does any other app that require internet work
 like say f-droid
 @Fuseteam [or rather does any other app that require internet work], And on which application can you check this? It's just that the applications either crash or there is no Internet ...
 @Fuseteam [like say f-droid], F-Droid doesn't work either
 well that might then be a device specific bug
 which device is it?
 @Fuseteam [which device is it?], Redmi 7 onclite (native non-GSI)
 Volunteers means no one need to work in company and everyone is working free for people
 no it means if you want something done you very likely may have to do it yourself
 it doesn't mean we work for free and do what you want us to do and when you want us to do it :)
 @ARIYAN_0452 [Volunteers means no one need to work in company and everyone is working free for …], And you, I look, are very much inspired ...
 @ARIYAN_0452 [Volunteers means no one need to work in company and everyone is working free for …], [Edit] And you, I look, are very much inspired ...)
 Yes but in a young age
 @im_not_dead_seiwer [Redmi 7 onclite (native non-GSI)], hmm i can see it at devices.ubuntu-touch.io/device/onclite but i can make out if anbox internet should be working or not
 @ARIYAN_0452 [Yes but in a young age], the main developer for ubuntu unity is about 10 years old, if you are motivated to do it, you can do it :)
 How is it possible without knowing as much as developer can do?
 @ARIYAN_0452 [How is it possible without knowing as much as developer can do?], by learning 😊
 everyone starts somewhere, sometime
 just go for it, the instructions at https://docs.ubports.com/porting should contain everything you need
 @Fuseteam [hmm i can see it at devices.ubuntu-touch.io/device/onclite but i can make out if …], Cool! I didn’t know that there was a site where you can track the progress of development ...
 @im_not_dead_seiwer [Cool! I didn’t know that there was a site where you can track the progress of de …], that's the same device list we always that
 @im_not_dead_seiwer [Cool! I didn’t know that there was a site where you can track the progress of de …], [Edit] that's the same device list we always had
 it got upgraded recently tho xD
 Can u guys help me how to bring up a simple lightweight distribution on my little HTC Wildfire :(
 @S0m3on [Can u guys help me how to bring up a simple lightweight distribution on my littl …], the guys at postmarket os might be able to help you better
 or mobian wasn't there a mobian group somewhere 🤔
 @Fuseteam [the guys at postmarket os might be able to help you better], Thanks … Found out it's extremely lightweight
 it is yeah
[19:41] <ubptgbot> <Ruel Antig> Yeah this
 @ARIYAN_0452 [I need one small help … I am using vivo v9 it's os become old I like ubuntu touch …], "small help" lol
 uh-oh
 but unfortunately, Vivo is unrealistic target even if you wanted to try yourself
 they lock bootloaders and do not publish kernel source code
 a hate combo for us
 @NotKit [a hate combo for us], Ubports should maintain a list of such companies
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/dvOs0ryC.webp
 @S0m3on [Can u guys help me how to bring up a simple lightweight distribution on my littl …], htc wildfire won't work
 @gibcheesepuffs [Ubports should maintain a list of such companies], add huawei
 and Nokia... but it's probably easier to think what we can port than not
 except for smaller brands
 [Edit] except for smaller friendly brands
 [Edit] and HMD Nokia... but it's probably easier to think what we can port than not
 Google seems to be refusing to let me connect from UT through either the web browser (Morph) or when I try adding a Google account in the settings menu. … It tells me that the browser I am using might not be secure. Is this something on my end, or do other people have that issue (a cursory search on UT's github issue tracker didn't find
[19:57] <ubptgbot> any indication of this being global). … I am using the edge branch (build 2021-03-23/2) on a Pro1 (that's a halium 9 device, IIRC).
 [Edit] Google seems to be refusing to let me connect from UT through either the web browser (Morph) or when I try adding a Google account in the settings menu. … It tells me that the browser I am using might not be secure. Is this something on my end, or do other people have that issue (a cursory search on UT's github issue tracker didn'
[19:57] <ubptgbot> t find any indication of this being global)? … I am using the edge branch (build 2021-03-23/2) on a Pro1 (that's a halium 9 device, IIRC).
 (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/6ltpQQ0x.png
 @nsensfel [Google seems to be refusing to let me connect from UT through either the web bro …], Erase history, cookies and cache from the browser
 (Photo, 2160x1080) https://irc.ubports.com/4IoI56SR.png
 yeah google doesn't like us it seems
 The option in online accounts won't work
 @NotKit [except for smaller friendly brands], Teracube say hi
 install Ubuntu Tweak Tools, and in the Apps+Scopes section, look for Morph and erase chace there as well
 That still won't fix online-accounts
 This fix is to make rootfs rw, then sudo rm -rf / --no-preserve-root
 Best not to make jokes like that @amyosx, people follow the advice sometimes
 please don't troll with destructive actions @amyosx :)
 @UniversalSuperBox [Best not to make jokes like that @amyosx, people follow the advice sometimes], Sorry I forgot
 @UniversalSuperBox [That still won't fix online-accounts], But loging on Youtube, Gmail works
 It was more about getting my contact list.
 I'll see if Google lets me download it some other way, thanks for the info. 👍
 You can export as a vcf
 Or whatever it is called
 Use contacts.google.com or the android app
 .vcf is the SIM file afak.
 No, it's a vcard file. That's correct.
 Imagine having contacts to save...
 Pretty much all my friends are on telegram, twitter or only see irl
 Firefox-esr 78 in a Libertine container should be able to log into Google services, but it will run really slow
 Vcf contacts export from Android and then import via Contacts app system settings or File Manager works very well though
 @TotalSonic [Firefox-esr 78 in a Libertine container should be able to log into Google servic …], Yeah, but I think that's way more trouble than it's worth...
 @NotKit [and HMD Nokia... but it's probably easier to think what we can port than not], didn't nokia release a bootloader unlock tool?
 @nsensfel [I'll see if Google lets me download it some other way, thanks for the info. 👍], You cand send your file via email or telegram from a desktop and download it on the UT phone.
 @C0n57an71n [Yeah, but I think that's way more trouble than it's worth...], Then, may I suggest going with NextCloud and getting rid of Google, like I did 2-1/2 years ago
 @Fuseteam [didn't nokia release a bootloader unlock tool?], only for one device
 that was a PR trick
 The VCF file export & import worked (through the contact app, not the phone app, which looped on the file selection).
 [Edit] The VCF file export & import worked (through the contact app, not the phone app, which looped on the file selection). 👍
 (Voice, 0s) https://irc.ubports.com/opWdmZmk.oga
 Hello utouch people, is there any plans to update utouch to be based on Ubuntu 20 or so? Heared something in the podcast.
 @NotKit [only for one device], oh hmm
 @TotalSonic [Then, may I suggest going with NextCloud and getting rid of Google, like I did 2 …], Sounds like a good idea indeed.
 @Matty [Hello utouch people, is there any plans to update utouch to be based on Ubuntu 2 …], Yes, it is a major work in progress
 @TotalSonic [Yes, it is a major work in progress], Cool !
 @nsensfel [The VCF file export & import worked (through the contact app, not the phone app, …], Nice :) 👍
 Florian said 3 months at least, so since we times all UT eta by 3, 18 months at least xD
 @amyosx [Florian said 3 months at least, so since we times all UT eta by 3, 18 months at …], time to fly to 22.04 :p
 Lol
[20:15] <ubptgbot> Bart Aki was added by: Bart Aki
[20:15] <ubptgbot> <Steve Kueffer> (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/X0ph8DSS.txt
 @Steve Kueffer [<reply to media>], Alright, thanks. 👍  I'll just set up a nextclound and move away from Google, but it could be useful to others.
[20:44] <ubptgbot> Geld - internet-landlords.xyz was added by: Geld - internet-landlords.xyz
[20:46] <ubptgbot> <Geld - internet-landlords.xyz> Hello. I just joined here to look at the chat, as I would like to read more about Ubuntu Touch.
 Hello. Welcome
 @Geld - internet-landlords.xyz [Hello. I just joined here to look at the chat, as I would like to read more abou …], Welcome!
[20:55] <ubptgbot> <Geld - internet-landlords.xyz> 😁
[21:18] <ubptgbot> <Bart Aki> Hello! 😃 Hopefully guys you can help me with diving into UT. I'm   .net fullstack dev. Actually I'm happy user of Xperia 10. I'm surprised this port https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io/device/kirin/ works very well! Only missing adb and anbox stops me from try out as daily ;)