[02:58] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[03:31] <marcoagpinto> lotuspsychje: Hello
[03:31] <marcoagpinto> :)
[03:32] <marcoagpinto> more 30 minutes and I should get some sleep
[03:32] <marcoagpinto> :)
[03:32] <marcoagpinto> I have been coding
[07:01] <nikolam> Hello. Anyone thinking GNOME is actually useful DE and using it regularly? I started GNOME after spending, like, 15 years and more on Xfce, and I found default GNOME as totally uselesss DE.
[07:02] <nikolam> What's your experience and what am I missing that you know or recommend when using GNOME?
[07:04] <guiverc> GNOME isn't my cup-of-tea either, however for some things its workflow is efficient & makes sense, I have it installed (i have multiple DEs installed) & login with GNOME when I want to use it  (it's also nice to have a change now & again.. )
[07:06] <nikolam> I were also thinking of refreshing my experience trying out, but what might be the workflow for GNOME? I don't see desktop icons, I don't see anything useful I could put in panel, I see only very large application icons I can search only if typing app names and I have file manager I can open. What's usabel with GNOME anyway?
[07:07] <nikolam> I were thinking I was bored with Xfce over the years, but I think it it were blessing..
[08:27] <guiverc> sorry I'm mostly doing things.. to adjust panel beyond a few simple things you use extensions. in my experience some of the extensions are great, but come upgrade time, if the API has changed they'll just crash gnome so extensions can be a pain (each upgrade you have to check they'll work in the newer gnome)
[08:28] <guiverc> if you don't like gnome apps; XFCE has been GTK3 since 19.10 so you can use xfce/mate/.. apps, I never got used to gnome's menu system  (I don't stick to gnome which I think is a huge part of it nikolam)
[08:30] <guiverc> yeah XFCE is sort of boring... it just stays out of the way, lets you configure it as you want & just works... ie. usable, functional & suits me too (but I'm happy in LXQt too)
[08:55] <nikolam> Yeah, I really don't find GNOME usable. Thanks for impressions.
[09:01] <Maik> everybody has their personal preferences. You don't like Gnome or don't find it usable, then that's ok. No need to go on about it in various channels.
[09:01] <Maik> i use Unity myself but used every major dektop too including Gnome
[09:02]  * Maik has been using Ubuntu since 2007
[09:33] <nikolam> Maik, I need feedback on someone using it and maybe have some other impression, and it is not your right to say what others should talk about, really.
[09:34] <nikolam> Maik, well, feel free to share your own impressions, what is it _good_ about it at least, some bad , etc, maybe your kind of use is to hear about
[10:05]  * nikolam on Xubuntu since 2006/7 (56K modem CD ISO download) 
[10:53] <marcoagpinto> Morning!
[11:08] <Maik> nikolam: you were cross posting, that's why i said it and cross posting in various channels isn't allowed
[11:09] <Maik> !guidelines
[11:46] <nikolam> Maik, ubuntu-discuss is for discussign ubuntu. I am dicsussing Ubuntu, so please get off my back.
[11:46] <Maik> keep it nice will ya
[11:47] <nikolam> Well moment you keep it nice I will. I am not cross posting, you know.
[11:47] <Maik> you posted in #ubuntu and #xubuntu thus cross posting
[11:48] <Maik> enough said
[11:48] <nikolam> Maik, so what. Please get off my back. I am on Xubuntu for Xubuntu stuff, I am on ubuntu-discuss for ubuntu stuff, regarding GNOME. You are lying that is something bad.
[11:49] <Maik> ok>> troll confirmed
[11:49] <lotuspsychje> tone down please nikolam
[11:49] <lotuspsychje> discuss and keep things nicely
[11:49] <nikolam> I am called here names
[11:50] <nikolam> lotuspsychje, plese civilize Maik
[11:51] <lotuspsychje> nikolam: maik only pointed you to crossposting, as its not allowed
[11:51] <Maik> ignore it is
[11:51] <lotuspsychje> nikolam: so move on, and discuss now please
[11:51] <nikolam> lotuspsychje, what crossposting?
[11:51] <lotuspsychje> crossposting means repeating the same lines in several ubuntu channels
[11:51] <Maik> nikolam: your nagging about Gnome in various channels as i said before
[11:52] <nikolam> No GNOME is on Ubuntu. Isn't it. I am using Xubuntu and installed GNOME to chack it out, and ask for people on their impressions on GNOME in general.
[11:52] <Maik> posting the same stuff in various buntu channels is cross posting
[11:52] <Maik> i pointed you to the IRC guidelines, read them
[11:52] <nikolam> Maik, To what is your problem, were talkinga bout that hours ago if you have soem problem try curing it somewhere else.
[11:52] <nikolam> Maik, point it to somewhere else.
[11:52] <Maik> you seem to have a issue, not me
[11:53] <nikolam> Maik, stop trolling
[11:53] <lotuspsychje> nikolam: also, repeating over and over gnome isnt usuable is even not a discussion but a personal statement you cant generalize
[11:53] <Maik> see, troll behaviour
[11:53] <nikolam> lotuspsychje, only thing personal is Maik trolling.
[11:53] <lotuspsychje> so what is this poll you wanna start really nikolam ?
[11:53] <Maik> someone willing to get rid of that annoying guy
[11:54] <nikolam> lotuspsychje, nothing in praticular, beside I am personally attacked by Maik.
[11:54] <lotuspsychje> yeah you repeated that enough by now, move on to discussion now
[11:54] <nikolam> lotuspsychje, agreed
[11:55] <Maik> well then
[11:56] <nikolam> Yeah and GNOME is useless for desktop. Anyone have it's usage case and everyday behavior with GNOME as it is now in Ubuntu 20.10 etc is appreciated. Especially supporting GNOME use.
[11:57] <nikolam> Would really like to know from people using GNOME every day what is their thinking in a positive sense about it
[11:57] <lotuspsychje> i dont have issues with gnome at all
[11:57] <lotuspsychje> i do have a few personal wishlist bugs but thats another story
[11:58] <nikolam> lotuspsychje, would really like to know more about everyday use . Good and maybe some critiquie etc.
[11:58] <nikolam> I found myself pretty much lost after years of Xfce use , popping up in Gnome.
[12:03] <Maik> maybe it's better to actually use Gnome for a month on a daily base to find out it's pro's and cons instead of asking others. :)
[12:04] <nikolam> I can't use Gnome for 5 minutes. Starting apps requires clicking in despair or typing their names.
[12:04] <nikolam> Maybe Gnome classis, it has menus
[12:05] <lotuspsychje> classicmenu indicator to the rescue
[12:05] <Maik> if you can't work with Gnome then stick with what you used for years: Xfce
[12:06] <lotuspsychje> you can tweak your environment if you like, instead of shouting its unsuable
[12:06] <nikolam> But wonder what's th point if not using it with full-screen touchscreen with Windows8-like tabled apps
[12:14] <Maik> ask the Gnome devs, maybe they can answer your questions
[12:14] <nikolam> It's general user question not for devs per se.
[12:15] <lotuspsychje> what about touch screens?
[12:16] <nikolam> full-screen big icon interface seems like it is meant to be used with tablets, not as s working desktop.
[12:16] <Maik> then ask in #gnome on whatever server they are on
[12:17] <nikolam> I am asking on Ubuntu because ubuntu is all we are
[12:18] <lotuspsychje> change resolution?
[12:18] <Maik> sigh
[12:18] <Maik> have a nice day, i'm afk for a while
[12:19] <nikolam> lotuspsychje, what changing resolution has to do with it if DE by default uses full-screen big icons that fill the screen up. I am also thinking how that realtes to people coming from another platforms, does that bother them so they stop using it? I think I already have at least one example people stop using laptop alltogether after Ubuntu/Gnome installed
[12:20] <lotuspsychje> when change resolution you got a full screen with smaller icons
[12:20] <lotuspsychje> you dont wanna search apps in full screen?
[12:20] <nikolam> Resolution is 1920X1200 for example. Maybe larger resolutions??
[12:21] <nikolam> I had a feeling apps are like lumped on the screen without any order etc.
[12:21] <lotuspsychje> gnome has a dock you can start apps on
[12:22] <nikolam> Yeah I know, but beside starting apps seems not very useful
[12:24] <lotuspsychje> nikolam: so whats your ideal way to start apps exactly?
[12:26] <nikolam> I am accustomed having apps by their use case, like old-style grouping in menus. But what truly comes into mind is not starting apps at all, but using Right click>OpenWith according to document context. But the problem with using network apps is that there are no files per se, but network context , like clicking on link that opens application to handle type of data.
[12:27] <nikolam> We are witnessing that most of data typed on web are handled by web browsers and web browser seems like is always opened and handle most of the staff we do on the network
[12:27] <nikolam> And unix principle of using separate apps for simple, separate tasks or managing different data types or network use is somewhat lost
[12:28] <lotuspsychje> !info classicmenu-indicator
[12:28] <lotuspsychje> case solved!
[12:28] <Maik> or use MATE
[12:29] <nikolam> I haven't been using later Amiga interfaces much, but their datatypes comes into mind, where separate apps handle differnet kind of data and can interchange it
[12:30] <nikolam> Also I think filesystem on Haiku used something similar from BeOS that have Amiga roots.
[12:30] <nikolam> Mening, interface is not all that matters, it matter what it represents and does it is progressing toward something new and more useful
[12:31] <nikolam> And also VR interfaces comes into the mind, when nobody would bother with 2D DEs anymore.
[12:33] <JimBuntu> but, being 3D doesn't make it VR
[12:34] <JimBuntu> and let's just agree right now that VR means an immersive 3D experience that also intends to block true reality, whereas AR is the same but on top of real reality... since these terms are kind of outdated
[12:34] <JimBuntu> without the 'immersive' part, it's just a 2D rep of 3D instead of 'VR'
[12:39]  * lotuspsychje likes gnome VR 3D amiga
[12:43] <nikolam> JimBuntu, you are on right track