 @YougoChats [Pinephones offline calendar shows up fine in date/time indicator, with a month i …], yes, I've only tested offline on the pinephone … hmmm...I wonder what's wrong with my calendar … when did you configure your calendars? … Maybe there was an issue before that is fixed now. The devices that has it are my previous and curre
[02:45] <ubptgbot> nt daily driver
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/hq6Mgjg6.png do you mean this page?
 @Javacookies [<reply to media>], Yes, It actually went blank in the front page too. I have been trying other websites, but I have not had as many blanks now that I have been looking for them.
 and it only happens on an external display?
 No, I actually never tried that site on external display. Nexus 5 OTA 16 stable with no external monitor.
 That's a new issue. I was so happy with plugging my Nexus to the TV, but since upgrading from 15 to 16 I have been unable to use external monitor.
 I am planning a downgrade to test it out, but I need to learn how to backup my current UT setup.
 I'm on devel but it's pretty close to OTA-16 right now and external display works on my Nexus 5
 it was also working before OTA-16 was released
 the site you mentioned loaded fine as well
 @sjeanr [I am planning a downgrade to test it out, but I need to learn how to backup my c …], if you flash without wiping, you don't need to backup and restore
 @Javacookies [if you flash without wiping, you don't need to backup and restore], Will work on that within the next 16 hours
 but if you really want, I think you can backup `system-data.img` and `user-data.img` from recovery
 @Javacookies [but if you really want, I think you can backup system-data.img and user-data.img …], That would be ideal
 @sjeanr [That would be ideal], Unless you select wipe there's no risk of data loss fwiw
 @sjeanr [That would be ideal], [Edit] As long as you don't select wipe there's no risk of data loss fwiw
 @Javacookies [the site you mentioned loaded fine as well], The site loads fine, but at times it blanks, I was able to repeat the offense twice today.
 @Javacookies [I'm on devel but it's pretty close to OTA-16 right now and external display work …], That is a relief, maybe it is my device or TV.
 the site is probably quite heavy and crashes the webview
 @Fuseteam [As long as you don't select wipe there's no risk of data loss fwiw], 👍
 @Javacookies [the site is probably quite heavy and crashes the webview], 👍
 @sjeanr [That is a relief, maybe it is my device or TV.], slimport can really be wonky on the Nexus 5 … on my monitor, it almost always work … on my TV, there are times it doesn't 😅
 @Javacookies [slimport can really be wonky on the Nexus 5 … on my monitor, it almost always work …], Well, it was fun while it lasted. It was working really well for a while.
 try experimenting with different HDMI cables, adding external power or even changing the sequence of plugging HDMI, micro-USB and power 😆
 I've had many slimport adapters and 2 Nexus 5 and there weird things that surprisingly work sometimes 😄
 [Edit] I've had many slimport adapters and 2 Nexus 5 and there were weird things that surprisingly work sometimes 😄
 I only noticed it stoped working after the upgrade. That's why I was asking if other people was having the same issue. I will do some further testing and troubled shooting before making more comments.
 @Javacookies [try experimenting with different HDMI cables, adding external power or even chan …], Mine has a power injector, I will try playing with that.
 @Javacookies [yes, I've only tested offline on the pinephone … hmmm...I wonder what's wrong with …], My OpO ages ago, but my bq m10 just before the test
 hmmm, what the hell's wrong with my calendar? LOL … what's strange is that those events are displayed correctly in the calendar app and the calendar in the indicator so their time and date are correct … it's just the event list in the indicator that's not detecting it correctly
 the event is not shown in the indicator ?
 they have dots in the correct date in the calendar but if you tap on that date, the event isn't listed. It'll only be listed one or two days before
 BTW, this can be tricky to test if you have many upcoming events especially daily alarms since the list is limited to 4
 humm, i added an event, and it  is displayed when taping on the day
 yeah, it seems that something's wrong with my NC calendar
 when I removed all my calendar data and resynced, all new events are working correctly but all existing ones are still the same
 NC calendar ?
 nextcloud
 could it be something wrong with javascript date again ?
 what's the javascript date?
 it only affects the indicator and I don't think there's javascript there?
 dk ;-)
 [Edit] idk ;-)
 yeah there is some Date api, that is not working well since Qt5.12 migration, but it is more when there is calculations for minutes
 [Edit] yeah there is some Date api, that is not working well since Qt5.12 migration, but it is more when there is calculations for minutes/seconds
 [Edit] yeah there is some Date api that is not working well since Qt5.12 migration, but it is more when there is calculations for minutes/seconds
 hmm, I'm not actually sure if it happened before OTA-16....and debugging the indicator is a pain since it's not just QML 😅
 let's replace the indicators and create something more integrated into Lomiri 😆
 😊
 just checked on my bq E5 which has a very old image and it's the same issue 😄
 so looks like it's a very old issue I have on my calendar … it was my very first daily driver
 oh, good luck then ;-)
 yeah, it looks like I'm alone on this issue 😆
[11:39] <ubptgbot> Colcobau was added by: Colcobau
 @NotKit [@klaartje_b I think it was you with Lenovo M10 FHD? https://gitlab.com/ubports/c …], just wondering, will this work in the wifi-only version?
 I have wifi-only
 oh cool, I don't need mobile data so it'll be a waste of money 😅
 there will be a very teasing big sale here tomorrow so I'm looking for a good deal 😆
 @NotKit [@klaartje_b I think it was you with Lenovo M10 FHD? https://gitlab.com/ubports/c …], Oh, that's very exciting!
 @NotKit [@klaartje_b I think it was you with Lenovo M10 FHD? https://gitlab.com/ubports/c …], [Edit] Oh, that's very exciting! Thanks for the nudge!
 @Javacookies [they have dots in the correct date in the calendar but if you tap on that date, …], two days before, really? for those events that are one day before, are they "all day"?
 @Javacookies [let's replace the indicators and create something more integrated into Lomiri 😆], rewrite it all in qml :^3
 @Fuseteam [two days before, really? for those events that are one day before, are they "all …], my test data are all messed up in my mind so I can't remember exactly but so far the two days issue happens more often. I think the one day issue only happened once.
 @Fuseteam [rewrite it all in qml :^3], the problem with indicators is that the way they are created is "standardized" so it's also possible to create standardized custom indicators but this also makes it hard to modify them and do whatever we want to make them look and work as we want...it's hard to explain 😅 I'm actually just one we
[13:13] <ubptgbot> ek new to the indicator codes 😆
 Indicator services say what to render. Lomiri decides how.
 @Javacookies [my test data are all messed up in my mind so I can't remember exactly but so far …], hmm two days is odd, i did notice "all day" events are only shown the day before i think it's events that start on 00:00 that are shown the day before
 @UniversalSuperBox [Indicator services say what to render. Lomiri decides how.], oh cool 🤔
 @UniversalSuperBox [Indicator services say what to render. Lomiri decides how.], that explains it better 😄
 @TotalSonic you may be interested in this https://t.me/UBports_Cloudsters/15544
[14:59] <ubptgbot> <Skaf Po> Hello Friends, something working to exchange file with any Cloud drive ?
 what do you mean?
 Something like Ghostcloud or UBsync maybe?
[16:42] <ubptgbot> <Skaf Po> Indeed however I cannot make it working. Once I created account in Ghost Cloud it's visible in system settings but neither in Ghost Cloud nor file manager
 are you using dark mode?
 once you added en enabled the ghostcloud account in system settings, ghost cloud will list it automatically in the app, but in dark mode there's an issue that it barely readable atm
 yeah Ghostcloud should be able to work though it's not for syncing (at least for now) … it's for browsing … UBSync is, well from its name, sync 😄
[16:57] <ubptgbot> Tapio was added by: Tapio
 The problem with "syncing" per se is that you basically turn your phone into a server, as if it would communicate with yet another node in your cloud, trying to make every remote file locally up to date and vice versa. That costs a lot of battery.
 that is true … that's why I stop the service and just restart syncing manually from time to time 😄
[17:06] <ubptgbot> <Skaf Po> @Fuseteam [once you added en enabled the ghostcloud account in system settings, ghost cloud …], Irm on default and honestly speaking don't see sny switch to dark. In ghost Cloud is empty, in settings account with access only to calendar
 @Skaf Po [Irm on default and honestly speaking don't see sny switch to dark. In ghost Clou …], in setting you need to enable access to ghostcloud or it won't work
 @Skaf Po [Irm on default and honestly speaking don't see sny switch to dark. In ghost Clou …], [Edit] in settings you need to enable access to ghostcloud or it won't work
 @Skaf Po [Irm on default and honestly speaking don't see sny switch to dark. In ghost Clou …], are you on OTA-16?
 also, are you on dark mode system-wide?
 @Fuseteam [in settings you need to enable access to ghostcloud or it won't work], There is no switch for GC, Calendar only
 @Javacookies [are you on OTA-16?], Yep
 Did you upgrade from an older version of GhostCloud or did you install it fresh?
 Install from fresh, I will try to clean all the files it and install one more time
 Maybe try a reboot and install.
 @Przemek [There is no switch for GC, Calendar only], which device btw?
 @fredldotme [The problem with "syncing" per se is that you basically turn your phone into a s …], From time to time I keep reading discussions and/or speculations regarding a background daemon to be expensive and to have a fast battery drainage. My genuine question is: are we sure this is the case? My app exploits an upstart daemon whic
[17:22] <ubptgbot> h is triggered every 10 seconds and, at least until I owned a Meizu Pro 5, I haven't ever experienced such a huge battery drain. Please don't get me wrong, this isn't intended as a polemic intervention, foremost against you Alfred ;), only to say that perhaps we'd need to explore better the effects and implications. Once I'll have some free time I
[17:22] <ubptgbot> wish to perform some tests
 @Fuseteam [which device btw?], Nexus 5
 @mattbel10 [From time to time I keep reading discussions and/or speculations regarding a bac …], I think he's specifically talking about syncing which can really be taxing to the battery if it always happens especially when you sync a lot of directories which changes frequently
 @fredldotme [Maybe try a reboot and install.], Rebooting, cleaning files and conf, reinstalling, still the same shit
 Are you trying to hook up to a NextCloud or ownCloud?
 @Javacookies [I think he's specifically talking about syncing which can really be taxing to th …], Ok, thought he implied to use a daemon to synce. Anyway, my point stands, since it seems universally accepted that daemons are bad for UT regardless
 @fredldotme [Are you trying to hook up to a NextCloud or ownCloud?], Owncloud
 I don't think that's the case. It's just that background services isn't properly implemented yet in a way that's good with the battery
 @Przemek [Owncloud], Maybe that's it. We've only had the chance to test it with NextCloud. Maybe setting up your ownCloud as a NextCloud account on the device could work..
 @fredldotme [Maybe that's it. We've only had the chance to test it with NextCloud. Maybe sett …], I will check it of course but it looks like the system does not know that GC wants to have privileges to accounts
 @Javacookies [I don't think that's the case. It's just that background services isn't properly …], I know it isn't perfectly implemented, thst's why I wish to push that harder. Background process are unavoidable even on UT. But maybe we can start from a state of the art better than expected
 @Javacookies [I don't think that's the case. It's just that background services isn't properly …], [Edit] I know it isn't perfectly implemented, thst's why I wish to push that harder. Background processes are unavoidable even on UT. But maybe we can start from a state of the art better than expected
 @Javacookies [I don't think that's the case. It's just that background services isn't properly …], [Edit] I know it isn't perfectly implemented, that's why I wish to push that harder. Background processes are unavoidable even on UT. But maybe we can start from a state of the art better than expected
 @fredldotme [Maybe that's it. We've only had the chance to test it with NextCloud. Maybe sett …], Interesting for Next Cloud Account is OK, you are right, so I just discovered 1st UT bug in my live ;)
 I will look if it's a GhostCloud bug first, but glad that workaround works :)
 @fredldotme [I will look if it's a GhostCloud bug first, but glad that workaround works :)], Works like a charm, thank you everybody, incredible community ;)
 by the way, Alfred is the Ghostcloud developer so you were in good hands 😄
[17:43] <ubptgbot> Maurice Franks was added by: Maurice Franks
 @Fuseteam [@TotalSonic you may be interested in this https://t.me/UBports_Cloudsters/15544], Thanks for forwarding that link!
 @mattbel10 [From time to time I keep reading discussions and/or speculations regarding a bac …], i can say, yes. i've seen it with say the openscout server. it's one thing if its one daemon, it's another if its 10 without a way to keep track of it
 @TotalSonic [Thanks for forwarding that link!], 👍
 @mattbel10 [I know it isn't perfectly implemented, that's why I wish to push that harder. Ba …], it's more that, the work for background services has yet to be done properly really, like mediahub is a background service that only runs when needed for example
[17:49] <ubptgbot> <Skaf Po> @Javacookies [by the way, Alfred is the Ghostcloud developer so you were in good hands 😄], Gosh, cloud music developer is laso here ? It's  the last think lacking for full hapiness ;)
 I'm not sure and it seems that he's not even much active nowadays
 youtube-dl gui is all we need lol
[18:01] <ubptgbot> <Nicolas S> freetube is also good
[18:02] <ubptgbot> <Nicolas S> you can use it on pinephone mobian and maybe with manjaro
 freetube is the one like a webapp right?
[18:09] <ubptgbot> <Maurice Franks> [https://twitter.com/elonmuskv](https://cutt.ly/WxJolqF) … AWENSOME GUYS!!! LOOOOOOK! 👍👍👍👍👍
 OOH ELON MUSK FREE BTC AND ETH
 It was already deleted before you pressed enter
 Yeah lol
 I saw it disappeared as I was pressing
 @amyosx [youtube-dl gui is all we need lol], Youtube-dl has not been working correctly for me in a good bit.   Ubdious is working ok for some downloads (usually limited to 360p though).
 It's fine here
 I would say deemix
 @amyosx [youtube-dl gui is all we need lol], [Edit] Youtube-dl has not been working correctly for me in a good bit.   UBdious is working ok for some downloads (usually limited to 360p though).
 But borderline illegal
 @Fuseteam [i can say, yes. i've seen it with say the openscout server. it's one thing if it …], yes, maybe you are right....I need to run some tests to figure out what's the case there....how many background services can be run at the same time for instance 👍
 The less you let the CPU sleep or wait for interrupts, the more it is going to consume battery. Dalton and I thought about this, and we came to the conclusion that a "proper" way would be more event driven, i.e only push photos when the camera-app took a picture. Might not fit every use case though.
 I mean I prototyped something like this for SailfishOS already, having apps "request" whether they're allowed to spawn background services, let them be handled by systemd, and turn them off using a settings panel. But the problem is that it wouldn't prevent badly written daemons from doing their thing, other than being able to disable
[18:35] <ubptgbot> them.
 [Edit] I mean I prototyped something like a service manager for SailfishOS already, having apps "request" whether they're allowed to spawn background services, let them be handled by systemd, and turn them off using a settings panel. But the problem is that it wouldn't prevent badly written daemons from doing their thing, other than be
[18:38] <ubptgbot> ing able to disable them.
 [Edit] I mean I prototyped something like a "service manager" for SailfishOS already, having apps "request" whether they're allowed to spawn background services, let them be handled by systemd, and turn them off using a settings panel. But the problem is that it wouldn't prevent badly written daemons from doing their thing, other than
[18:38] <ubptgbot> being able to disable them.
 @fredldotme [I mean I prototyped something like a "service manager" for SailfishOS already, h …], Great! it seems progress to me...hope to find soon a solution, so that we are not obliged anymore to set an app unconfined in order to have a background service. Looking forward to when systemd will be a thing on UT as well. Thanks for the
[18:47] <ubptgbot> clarification
 I just so happened to give a talk on this subject
 Lol
 @Nicolas S [freetube is also good], i saw freetube today, wonder how that works
 @fredldotme [The less you let the CPU sleep or wait for interrupts, the more it is going to c …], oooh that sounds like an interesting concept, since the pantalaimon reverse proxy was posted in the openstore group i was pondering a single reverse proxy as a general background service myself, i know far too little to prototype such a thin
[19:21] <ubptgbot> g tho. one example i thought of was that it listens for say a telegram call and wakes teleports for example
[19:26] <ubptgbot> <Nicolas S> @Fuseteam [i saw freetube today, wonder how that works], freetube is an app with direct link to youtube without the shit ! you can customize it
 @Nicolas S [freetube is an app with direct link to youtube without the shit ! you can custom …], so its a webapp?
[19:29] <ubptgbot> <Nicolas S> Fwd from Nicolas S: On Xubuntu 18.04  … wget https://github.com/FreeTubeApp/FreeTube/releases/download/v0.11.3-beta/freetube_0.11.3_arm64.deb … #cmd for extract deb package in mod file, you can change it … dpkg-deb -R freetube_0.11.3_arm64.deb mod … #editing Control file to delete or comment out indicator dependency @"Depends" + save fi
[19:29] <ubptgbot> le using nano editor … nano ~/mod/DEBIAN/control … #cmd for creating deb package in mod file, use the same as created before ! … dpkg-deb -b mod freetube_0.11.3_arm64_mod.deb … --> after a while, the new deb is created an you can install with … dpkg -i freetube_0.11.3_arm64_mod.deb … thx to arno_nuehm for his help !!
[19:29] <ubptgbot> <Nicolas S> it s a to do to build it to install on pinephone with mobian
[19:30] <ubptgbot> <Nicolas S> you can also install it on desktop linux distro
 think you're all getting off topic :)
 we sure are
[19:31] <ubptgbot> <Nicolas S> sorry !
 i was wondering about getting it packaged in a click if it isn't just a a webapp :P
 oh electron......nvm
[19:34] <ubptgbot> <Nicolas S> there is no version for ubport right now ; so bad its a good alternative to youtube app or website
[19:34] <ubptgbot> <Nicolas S> i dont have the skill for build it on .click
 well it being electron doesn't help, electron apps don't exactly work on ubuntu touch yet
 building a click is relatively easy actually, its getting the application to actually run that is the hard part
[19:35] <ubptgbot> <Nicolas S> you can downl
 like this is build directly on github https://github.com/mateosalta/cuddly-bassoon
 [Edit] like this youtube webapp is build directly on github https://github.com/mateosalta/cuddly-bassoon
[19:36] <ubptgbot> <Nicolas S> [Edit] you can download the sources and maybe have a try to build it for ubport
[19:36] <ubptgbot> <Nicolas S> thx i will check it
 Hi there, does anyone know how's the situation of UT on the Fairphone 3? from the ubports website it seems well supported, but there's no installer....how does the installation work?
 i have UT working well on OPO, but the phone is falling apart, hardware quality is quite bad.
 i think it's only a GSI port still, no official support
 @Javacookies [I've had many slimport adapters and 2 Nexus 5 and there were weird things that s …], You were so right. I went to my TV where I have my cable setup for easy connect and UBsurf. I plug it in, nothing happened, I remove the power adapter and convergence activates, I plug the power back on and everything continues to work. Pardo
[22:11] <ubptgbot> n me for the language. I am still learning UBports jargon.
 @Javacookies [I've had many slimport adapters and 2 Nexus 5 and there were weird things that s …], I do have a new issue. After unplugging the phone returns to phone mode, but the top icons become slightly stretched out.
 @Javacookies [I've had many slimport adapters and 2 Nexus 5 and there were weird things that s …], Pulling the power injector and then plugging it back on allowed the phone to connect to the TV. You were so right.
 My messages were stuck somewhere. Here they come!
 xD
 Is there a place a could find previous images for testing?
 System images for devices?
 Does anyone's OPO running UT get very hot at the top bit when barely using it? Just installed it today and it does get quite warm.
 @Colcobau [Does anyone's OPO running UT get very hot at the top bit when barely using it? J …], Not mine, no.
 Huh. Just got the device today, bought it specifically to run UT. So it might be hardware issues. Might reinstall Cyanogen and monitor it for a couple of days
 @klaartje_b [Not mine, no.], Ty!
 @fedgalli73 [Hi there, does anyone know how's the situation of UT on the Fairphone 3? from th …], @luksus42 is the porter for Fairphone 3. I think it was pretty close to being added to installer, but not there yet
 Funny thing that happens to me: when I write "día" (day, in spanish), the spell corrector change the word for "diablo" (devil, in spanish) so, you can imagine the funny sentences I usually type and send by mistake like "el diablo de hoy" (the today's devil) instead "el día de hoy..." (today...). Plus side, I can edit in telegram, but someti
[22:50] <ubptgbot> mes is too late.
 @NotKit [@luksus42 is the porter for Fairphone 3. I think it was pretty close to being ad …], 👍
 @LGeek [Funny thing that happens to me: when I write "día" (day, in spanish), the spell …], rip
 @LGeek [Funny thing that happens to me: when I write "día" (day, in spanish), the spell …], [Edit] lolrip
 oh hey dvorak autocorrect doesn't break anymore, i wonder if triggering a rebuild would fix flick aswell
 @sjeanr [System images for devices?], Found it! 😁
 @sjeanr [Found it! 😁], you did? where, where 👀
 @Fuseteam [you did? where, where 👀], System-image.ubports.com
 @sjeanr [System-image.ubports.com], oooh
 @LGeek [Funny thing that happens to me: when I write "día" (day, in spanish), the spell …], 😂
 is matrix down? I've lost any access.
 ubports.chat has been shut down. The rest of Matrix should be fine.
 @sjeanr [System-image.ubports.com], I clearly don't know what I am doing. I expected to find .img files, but instead they are tar.xz an json.