[03:55] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[16:23] <DattattaD> ping
[16:23] <Maik> DattattaD: stop doing that in every channel
[16:23] <Maik> if you want to fool around please do so elswhere
[16:24] <DattattaD> ok sorry my bad
[16:54] <agvantibo> Hello. I am planning to build a PC and use Ubuntu on it for general schoolguy tasks: Zoom, Web browsing, and of course, gaming: Minecraft, SuperTuxKart, retro, etc. Which video card should I buy to both have good performance in said games, and have no problems with the drivers
[16:55] <DattattaD> definitely nvidia something
[16:55] <tomreyn> definitely not nvidia something
[16:55] <DattattaD> amd sucks in support
[16:55] <tomreyn> nvidia sucks in support
[16:56] <DattattaD> besides for gaming windows still best
[16:56] <tomreyn> with the games emntioned, performance can be better on linux than windows
[16:58] <DattattaD> agvantibo: follow tomreyn he is the god of gaming
[16:58] <tomreyn> hah definitely not
[16:59] <tomreyn> agvantibo: as i tried to demonstrate above, there can be different opinions on what's the right choice. for the games you mentioned, you can get away with just an integrated graphics chipset. but, performance can be a lot better with a dedicated graphics card. those also draw a lot more power, though.
[17:00] <tomreyn> for integrated graphics, i.e. both cpu and graphics in one package, your best choice currently is with amd cpus/gpus.
[17:00] <DattattaD> amd graphics has inefficient proprietary driver support on ubuntu because they stopped supporting amd earlier but later on continued
[17:01] <DattattaD> nvidia on the other hand got best proprietary driver support
[17:01] <tomreyn> amd have moved to providing open source drivers, which is great, since those integrate well with linux, unlike nvidias proprietary drivers
[17:02] <DattattaD> open source drivers lacks performance thats why proprietary drivers play roles
[17:02] <tomreyn> ^ please fact check this statement
[17:02] <DattattaD> otherwise theres no need for proprietary drivera
[17:03] <agvantibo> DattattaD: How a manner of development and licensing will surely affect the end product?
[17:03] <tomreyn> see, that's what i'm saying, there's no need for proprietary graphics drivers
[17:03] <DattattaD> i already checked and used both amd and nvidia since 2013
[17:03] <agvantibo> Oh no a holywar starting better get going
[17:04] <DattattaD> wine will lag in open source driver
[17:04] <tomreyn> for dedicated graphics chipsets, nvidia models are usually a little bit faster than amd ones. but going with the amd supported open source drivers can give you a lot of benefits. including not ending up with unsupported hardware because the manufacturer chooses that your hardware reached its end of life.
[17:05] <DattattaD> nvidia still provides update for gt710 regularly
[17:05] <agvantibo> So amd is better for linux with Open drivers, while NVidia is better for linux with Proprietary Drivers. Also amd will keep going 4ever, but NVidia works better w/ Wine
[17:05] <DattattaD> use linux mint u will know through driver manager
[17:06] <tomreyn> i disagree with this "wine works better with nvidia statement", unless there is anything presented to back that up
[17:06] <tomreyn> this channel is about ubuntu, which has a driver manager for hardware which depends on proprietary drivers, too
[17:07] <agvantibo> I don'do a lot of Wine anyway, but I'd like open-source drivers on my machine, also they're reportedly easier to install. So I'm probably going to buy and AMD everything
[17:07] <DattattaD> yeah and in that driver manager no driver for amd proprietary
[17:07] <agvantibo> DattattaD: what?
[17:08] <tomreyn> sure, why would you want to install proprietary drivers for something that doesn't need them
[17:08] <DattattaD> agvantibo: you will suffer with this i was using intel amd on ubuntu at one point of time
[17:08] <tomreyn> what is "intel amd"?
[17:08] <agvantibo> You've meant that there are only Open drivers for AMD Video cards in the Ubuntu drivers software?
[17:09] <agvantibo> same, what is "intel amd"?
[17:09] <DattattaD> yeah
[17:09] <DattattaD> intel processor amd graphics
[17:09] <DattattaD> best intel nvidia
[17:09] <agvantibo> Oh,  I get it
[17:09] <tomreyn> that existed at some point, right
[17:10] <agvantibo> But amd amd is good too, RIGHT?
[17:10] <tomreyn> personally, i think so
[17:11] <tomreyn> there were amd graphics chipsets which did not have good linux support for way too long. but for what i can tell, that's solved now. and for current ones, support is fine.
[17:11] <agvantibo> I mean if I buy an amd motherboard, AMD processor and an AMD graphics card, this will work fine
[17:11] <agvantibo> *finest
[17:12] <tomreyn> you don't need to buy an amd mainboard, and amd graphics cards should also work fine on a system with an intel cpu
[17:12] <agvantibo> Ok, thanks
[17:12] <tomreyn> after all, thanks to the open drivers situation, linux devs can fix any compatibility issues that might come up between those
[17:13] <tomreyn> not so with prooprietary drivers
[17:13] <agvantibo> Also, are there any problems with ethernet and sound card drivers
[17:14] <tomreyn> there are few ethernet chipsets which are problematic nowadays, mostly usb dongle ones, but even there it's rare.
[17:14] <tomreyn> wireless is a different matter
[17:14] <agvantibo> I am not planning to use WIFI in a PC, but I've heard a lot of spoopy stories about nonexistent sound and ethernet card drivers. What exactly would you recommend?
[17:14] <tomreyn> about dedicated sound cards, i don't even know ehether those still exist, do they? or do you mean audio chipsets.
[17:15] <agvantibo> I am talking more "sound devices in general" than "PCI card thingies"
[17:16] <tomreyn> i recommend that you choose two mainboards that you think make sense for you, and look up their audio chipsets, and look up how well those are supported. but with onboard audio chipsets, you hardly have problems nowadays, unless they are very new.
[17:17] <agvantibo> And what about Ethernet?
[17:17] <tomreyn> for desktops, i can only think of intel SOF audio chipsets which used to be a problem on linux for a while
[17:17] <tomreyn> but i think thats solved now
[17:17] <agvantibo> Oh, great
 there are few ethernet chipsets which are problematic nowadays, mostly usb dongle ones, but even there it's rare.
[17:18] <tomreyn> with desktops, you usually don't have problems. but there's hardly a fully reliable way to tell ahead of actually having the hardware assembled and running.
[17:18] <agvantibo> So I don't have to worry much, do I?
[17:19] <tomreyn> not really, unless you are going to buy anything extraordinary and super fancy
[17:20] <tomreyn> if you like, you can post your part list here or in ##linux and ask people to check whether you have picked parts which are likely to cause you issues.
[17:21] <agvantibo> Thanks for the tips! So I'll go with an AMD CPU, AMD GPU, and something else for the motherboard and other stuff, and I should be fine
[17:24] <tomreyn> agvantibo: in case you're not going to buy in one of the primary markets, you need to watch out that you examine the specifications closely. a three year old cpu can have a very similar name to the current product line and be a lot slower.
[17:24] <tomreyn> and there can be shops selling you very old ones.
[17:25] <tomreyn> if you're on a budget, buying from china shops who offer warehouses in your country / economic (tax) zone, can help you save.
[17:27] <tomreyn> ordering from china / taiwan directly can help you save more, but at the risk of loosing the device at customs (those thnigs vary a lot by where you'll order to).
[17:28] <agvantibo> I'll try and pay attention to that, amd cpu names are a bit puzzling
[17:29] <tomreyn> there are many web sites discussing those. there are also websites helping you choose compatible parts, such as pcpartpicker.com
[17:30] <tomreyn> the folks in the ##hardware channel will probably have more suggestions on that (though i think they are quite focussed on the U.S. market)
[17:32] <tomreyn> you may be from russia, based on your ip address. i must say i have no experience with buying hardware there. all i know is that china online shops also offer warehouse imports there,a nd also sell to there.