=== j is now known as jess === dave_uy1 is now known as dave_uy [00:43] Hi, I have installed UbuntuDDE, but installer couldn't make the efi files (grub) so I used command grub-install for my esp. and grub-mkconfig to make .cfg file and put it on /boot/grub. when I boot up I get grub console and I have to manually load the config file [00:43] I tried coping /boot/grub/grub.cfg to {esp}/EFI/Ubuntu/grub.cfg but nothing changed also tried update-grub2 [00:43] any help please ? [01:02] eLMoMaNi: the following Ubuntu flavors are supported here https://ubuntu.com/download/flavours [01:03] what ? [01:06] didn't know there was a budgie flavor, gonna check that out [01:28] Hello [01:29] Hyper86: Welcome to Ubuntu support :D [01:30] Is this support only? [01:30] No general topic? [01:30] Hyper86: This channel, Yes - support only. [01:30] Is there a general channel? [01:30] !off-topic | Hyper86 [01:30] Hyper86: #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, for all Ubuntu-related support questions. Please register with NickServ (see /msg ubottu !register) and use #ubuntu-offtopic for other topics (though our !guidelines apply there too). Thanks! [01:31] I’m on my phone and on a newish client I did not see it [01:31] Thank you very much [01:32] Hyper86: Hey no problem at all - there is also a general #ubuntu-discuss channel. [01:32] Ok thanks === zbenjamin_ is now known as zbenjamin === mIk3_09 is now known as mIk3_08 === BrianG61UK__ is now known as BrianG61UK_ === nekobit is now known as _neko [04:12] why i dont see nvidiadrmfb like radeondrmfb? [04:12] dmesg output === Grldfrdom_ is now known as Grldfrdom === Grldfrdom is now known as Grldfrdom_ [05:22] why nvidia drm minor 0 gives me black screen?? [05:23] not matter what nvidia prime profile [05:31] any idea? [05:58] hi, how should i read this output from smartcl ? https://pastebin.com/uxhMEgGW Seems ok to me but gnome disks is showing Assesment SELF-TEST FAILED [06:03] maret: Well not good: "197 Current_Pending_Sector 0x0032 200 200 000 Old_age Always - 31197 Current_Pending_Sector 0x0032 200 200 000 Old_age Always - 31" means there are no spre sectors to spare off other bad sectors too. >>> [06:03] maret: "198 Offline_Uncorrectable 0x0030 200 200 000 Old_age Offline - 28" 28 sectors that can no longer be dealt with :) [06:19] Bashing-om so I guess I should do a back and prepare to drive to fail soon? [06:23] maret: The drive has already failed - from what I see - . You show to have an inability of the drive to re-allocate any more sectors to compensate for those dedermined to be bad. [07:07] Hi is it "normal" that Ethernet adapter (e1000e) stops working , some time after coming up form standby? (20.10) I actually have 2 intel LAN UTP network adapters, served by e1000e driver, 82574L and I217-LM (rev 04) and one of them stops working , never coming back to working, after some time running , after coming back from standby. [07:10] I also have a RX480 graphics card , that is externally powered (graphics powers itself from external power supply, not turning off, when machine goes into standby. Maybe it is somehow connected, but I think I didn't have problems with ethernet/standby on 20.04 [07:13] Of course LAN adapters are using netplan now, and I got to create /etc/netplan/01-netcfg.yaml in order to put " dhcp4-overrides: {route-metric: 100} " and "dhcp4-overrides: {route-metric: 100}dhcp4-overrides: {route-metric: 101} " for each of adapters. [07:16] Bashing-om i see i can still access it so it doesnt give me any errors, but I am not using this pc much so thats maybe why [07:27] maret: Yeah - but the controller can not resolve any additional bad sectors - As cheap ( and as old and slow as that drive is ) I do highly suggest that you get your data off that drive as soon as possible. If the hardware supports a SSD - do so ! you will be impressed how much faster the operating system becomes :D [07:28] maret: Not saying that one can not zero out that drive and repurpose to a less critical role :P [07:30] maret: i second what Bashing-om is saying, the hdd is on it's way out, already with some data being lost, time to get a new drive and copy the data over asap [07:30] unless you dont care about the data being lost for good [07:30] yeah thanks [07:31] Hey all. I just wanted to mention, that MD5SUMS and SHA1SUMS on https://releases.ubuntu.com/16.04/ page do not cover 16.04.7 images. I know I'm kind of late :) and I don't have account on but tracker, so I hope that the right person catches this message. === gurmble is now known as grumble === EriC^ is now known as EriC^^ [07:53] Hello [07:54] can you recommend a visual git client for 20.04 from repositories? [07:54] Thank you [08:15] Hi all, ubuntu-server is silent was hoping someone here can help me out, any one here with knowledge on ubuntu server [08:26] After installing ubuntu, my gen8 ProLiant server will show a red screen with Illegal Opcode error in the next reboot and will not load the operating system. [08:27] Any idea’s how to fix this from the MAAS interface? [08:27] https://support.hpe.com/hpesc/public/docDisplay?docId=c03007105 [08:27] https://support.hpe.com/hpesc/public/docDisplay?docLocale=en_US&docId=c02695572 [08:28] baobabfruit, if the second nic doesn't show in lshw, it must be defective or disabled somehow. Perhaps a BIOS setup option? [08:31] rfm it does blink when connected to a switch [08:40] alterjsive: Did you unmounted Ubuntu iso from iLO? [08:40] Or removed any installation media? [08:56] SeeM2: it was a network install using canonical MAAS [09:09] alterjsive: Sorry, I don't have any experience with that. I would guess, that the problem is within bootloader, but I don't know what the bios is expecting and on which drive. Check Your boot sequence. [09:09] SeeM2: ah I see why it doesn't work. I installed an nvme pci express card. I don't think it can boot from that. [09:10] thanks [09:11] You cloud install bootloader on a 8 megabytes partition on usb drive and use that to boot from nvme. It's a but hacky, but You'll have whole system on a fast drive. [09:12] It's have to be fdisk formatted drive with /dev/sda1 partition and a proper 2 megabytes of free space before first partition. [09:12] SeeM2: exactly, thanks for thinking with me :) [09:14] ping [09:41] Hi, can I register qemu-static-x86-64 as a binfmt_misc on an x86_64 host system ? [09:42] I need to build a docker container for an AVX-512 CPU, as part of the build process, the container builds and runs AVX-512 binaries [09:42] my CPU only has AVX2 [09:43] I can cross-compile containers to aarch64 without issues, but not sure how to do this for different x86 micro-archs [09:43] My idea was to create a wrapper script for qemu-static-x86-64 that sets a -mcpu with AVX-512 support, and use for all binaries that the container uses [09:44] the problem is this means setting it as my binfmt_misc runner for x86... on an x86 host... [09:44] is there a way to do this without having that runner be used to run all binaries on my system? [09:47] SeeM2: do you have experiance with MAAS? [09:49] alterjsive: https://discourse.maas.io/?_ga=2.141589938.1017134468.1616924943-1207831234.1616924943 [10:15] Hello, I just installed and updated xubuntu 20.04. However, I have troubles to run basically any software installed with "dpkg -i", notably zoom and teamviewer. When I run teamviewer, it displays a window with the title setup, but the inside of the window is transparent. Then it crashes with "Abandon (core dumped)". Similarly, zoom displays also a transparent window with the title, and then crash [10:15] (without any error message this time). Any idea what's going wrong? [10:17] lotuspsychje: thanks [10:17] tobiasBora: teamviewer is not an official supported ubuntu package [10:17] tobiasBora: for zoom-client we have a nice working snap [10:19] oh in fact zoom installed via dpkg crashes with the same "Aborted (core dump)" error. [10:19] tobiasBora: is it zoom-client snap you installed, or grabbed manualy somewhere? [10:20] lotuspsychje: I installed manually the official .deb from there website. But the fact that all these program crashes the same way makes me thing that something is wrong on ubuntu side. [10:20] I just used Software by double-clicking on the .deb and it installed fine [10:20] I will try the snap for zoom, but it won't solve the issue for teamviewer [10:21] VMGuy23: install is fine, problem is at startup. [10:21] Well, mine starts fine as well. Strange. [10:21] VMGuy23: is it ubuntu or xubuntu? [10:22] Ubuntu [10:22] VMGuy23: ok. Mine is xubuntu, don't know if it changes something. [10:22] That shouldn't do anything... [10:22] tobiasBora: keep a journalctl -f open while you test things around, perhaps something else is making your apps core dumped [10:23] i tested zoom-client and teamviewer on 20.04 ubuntu-desktop working like a charm [10:23] oh wait, is wayland by default no? [10:24] I'm on Ubuntu 20.10 Desktop. X is still defalt [10:24] until 21.04, x is default [10:24] not on 20.04 [10:24] i think [10:24] yeah you're right VMGuy23 [10:25] what happens if you try to run "sudo dpkg --configure -a" [10:26] lotuspsychje: the snap hangs on "Executing configuration hook of snap zoom-client". I already got that error, last time it took like 5mn to continue, any idea why? [10:26] VMGuy23: nothing [10:26] I think it's a snap thing. [10:26] ogra: if you are awake maybe ^ [10:28] VMGuy23, it generates its font cache on install ... that simply takes a bit [10:28] VMGuy23: ok. Are snap programs always super long to start? Skype was taking like 1mn to start, and same for zoom-client. [10:29] tobiasBora: They are slower. Opera turned 1 second to 10 by snapping it. [10:29] ok, so if we forget about the startup time, zoom-client seems to work fine. [10:29] VMGuy23: that's quite a change ^^' [10:29] tobiasBora: I know [10:29] VMGuy23: cant generalize that for all snaps [10:30] zoom-client should not take longer than 10-15sec on first start ... at least if you have a decent disk [10:30] worked like a charm on ssd here [10:30] sunsequent ones should be around or below 5sec [10:30] *subsequent [10:31] Ok, I found more errors in some gui.log files for teamviewer https://pastebin.com/Vm4sR2Qi [10:31] though old rotary HDDs might add to this [10:31] ogra: I think this is an old rotary HDD [10:32] so the error is "QGLXContext: Failed to create dummy context Failed to create OpenGL context for format QSurfaceFormat [...]", === hacxman is now known as hexo [10:32] Is there a line after that? [10:33] zoom puts its logs into ~/snap/zoom-client/current/.zoom/logs/ [10:34] ogra: this is teamviewer logs, zoom (snap version) is working fine now (thanks) except for the longer startup time [10:34] the "stderr" one should have all graphics driver info (or errors) [10:34] ah, okay [10:34] and if it helps, I have a NVIDIA GEFORCE 720M. Will try to check if I installed all drivers [10:34] teamviewer looks like an OpenGL error. Look for OpenGL packages that aren't installed. [10:35] well, make sure to use the packaged driver ... nt sure how well a third party driver from the nvidia site will work [10:35] But yeah, Software & Updates have a look for drivers there [10:35] yeah, that's what I mean by drivers [10:36] yep, if not look for Debian/Ubuntu drivers on the website. [10:36] it tells me that it's already using the proprietary nvidia-340 driver [10:36] (snapd maps the drivers from certain expected locations on the host filesystem into the snap ... if some third party drivers install to a non-expected location that might cause issues) [10:36] you have a NVIDIA GEFORCE 720M [10:37] not nvdia-340 [10:37] I just say, where possible, don't use snaps. [10:37] ogra: here I'm not using snap for teamviewer (no snap available) [10:38] VMGuy23, uuh, why ? (i'd say excatly the opposite 😉 ) [10:39] ogra: Slow, extra boot time (on slow pcs) from extra mount point, no GTK theming with Tweaks, weird home directory, config and log files. [10:39] I need to go, I'll be back later, thanks for your help! [10:39] extra boot time ?!?! [10:39] what makes you think that [10:40] ogra: on an ancient pc, yes. MOUNT POINT [10:40] lopps devices are mounted asynchronous ... [10:40] they dont add o the boot time [10:41] the nvidia-340 driver should work fine with the 720M according to http://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86_64/340.108/README/supportedchips.html [10:41] Well, HDD and old PC, an extra "asyncronous" task would slow down existing tasks. [10:42] sure ... it would be slower than an SSD ... but thats a general thing between SSD and HDD [10:42] ogra@acheron:~$ snap list |wc -l [10:42] 97 [10:43] i really dont see a noticeable difference to a pristing install on ths machine ... [10:43] *pristine [10:43] 6 on a fresh 21.04 install [10:43] (though this is admittedly a 5y old SSD... ) [10:44] (and 97 snaps means close 194 loop devices) [10:44] s/close// [10:44] I'm on an April 2020 Acer laptop (Aspire 3) and it's pretty much no difference (except in the rare case like Opera) between app and snap start [10:46] one significant impact on startup is the type of compression a snap uses .... about 6 months ago optional lzo compression was added ... that makes the snap bigger but it massivel speeds up startup time (close to no difference to a deb) [10:46] if you happen to use an older snap that did not yet switch from xz to lzo, that might have sme impact on cold start of an app [10:46] ...but lack of GTK theme sync (theming is a key part of my main points with Ubuntu). I want to be able to use Gnome Tweaks and make my apps dark [10:47] yeah, themeing still has some rough edges ... but is constantly improving [10:48] https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/a-quick-update-on-our-progress-on-automatic-theme-installation-for-snaps/18633 [10:48] see here ... [10:49] Doesn't seem to work for 99.9% of themes. [10:50] well, as long as they are from a kind of standard set they should show up as snaps eventually ... [10:50] I have only 11 snaps [10:50] which will then allow you to use them [10:51] Now I'm annoyed, Remmina doesn't have SPICE support on its apt version [10:52] try the snap 😉 [10:53] i just keep trying other non-snaps until I find what I need [11:06] cool. pinephones are available again. [11:06] i think i'll get some cheap prepaid sim for it to check it out [11:15] !discuss | jrg [11:15] jrg: Want to talk about Ubuntu, but don't have a support question? /join #ubuntu-discuss for non-support Ubuntu discussion, or try #ubuntu-offtopic for general chat. Thanks! [11:16] "Software Updater" is ready. Every 2 minutes [11:46] VMGuy23: i don't think it's the updater but the one from the software store [11:47] its the updater [11:47] screenshot [11:50] https://imgur.com/a/ulQ7JpG [11:50] Hi folks [11:51] hello [11:51] VMGuy23: then reboot if you haven't done so already [11:51] hi BluesKaj [11:51] ok [11:51] Hi Maik [11:53] ogra: ok, so the problem for teamviewer is in fact deeper, and comes from opengl that is not working (glxinfo gives this error https://askubuntu.com/questions/893922/ubuntu-16-04-gives-x-error-of-failed-request-badvalue-integer-parameter-out-o) [11:53] I'll try to come back to xorg driver (not proprietary) [11:54] much better, now it works! [11:54] If anyone knows what's wrong with proprietary devices... I'm curious. [12:02] lotuspsychje: is ubuntu on a pinephone not a thing? [12:03] https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io/device/pinephone/ [12:03] oh. i guess it has a long way to go. [12:03] jrg this is my next present to myself [12:04] randmin: reminds me of an N900 [12:04] i was hoping ubuntu touch would be a bit more along for it [12:05] seems like it is probably running into the same issues as the N900 as well such as IP issues with hardware. that is why i am not a big fan of people calling them "open" phones. [12:07] Good Morning has anyone had an issue with Displaylink docks that keep disconnecting. from USB 3.0 [12:07] I actually came to ask the experts a question on kernel-headers..I try to install nvidia proprietary drivers. The make process fails with the same error (same header files) from this thread: https://askubuntu.com/questions/232840/my-makefile-results-in-no-rule-to-make-target-arch-x86-tools-relocs-c-needed [12:08] If i try sudo apt-get install linux-headers-*(kernel version)*:i386 (witht he correct version, OBV), apt wants to remove the actual installed headers and replace them by the i386. This does not solve the problem. [12:08] Any clues/hints/links I can follow here? [12:09] jrg: it is but it's not as ubuntu support question, thus go to discuss please [12:09] as/a [12:10] It seems like I am missing the 32bit kernel-headers... dpkg --add-architecture i386 did not solve this either. I found that I may be missing some packages (in centoOS they would be kernel-ml-doc, [12:10] kernel-ml-devel,..) but they do not exists in ubuntu repos [12:14] The error is *** No rule to make target `arch/x86/tools/relocs.c', needed [12:14] by `arch/x86/tools/relocs'. Stop. [12:14] On latest ubuntu-mate 18.04 [12:15] 18.04 is not the latest [12:15] support for that ends next month by the way [12:15] I know. But there is a latest 18.04, and it is what I am using. [12:16] The 20.04 had a infinite login problem so I could not even instlal it on my machine [12:16] ah, my bad [12:16] sorry [12:16] All good :) [12:17] I fear that I cannot continue to use mate on my old tower pc.. Would be a pitty [12:20] how old? [12:22] It is the N68S3B [12:23] I believe nvidia supported ended around 2017 for this board.. [12:23] But I was hoping that I could still install the last driver versions that supports it under linux.. [12:24] Basically what I need is to *add* (and not replace) the 32-bit headers, as far as I understand the problem [12:54] [strk@c19:~] sudo rmmod bluetooth [12:55] rmmod: ERROR: Module bluetooth is in use by: bnep [12:55] [strk@c19:~] sudo rmmod bnep [12:55] rmmod: ERROR: Module bnep is in use [12:55] what's the deal ? [12:55] ie: how to find out *what* is using bnep ? [12:56] I can't seem to be able to stop bluetooth [13:06] strk: try sudo modprobe -r btusb [13:55] strk: you could blacklist that module thing and reboot? :) [14:27] Hello. I would like to ask you for help with the following problem. My Ubuntu 18.04 LTS system doesn't boot anymore. Instead I get the following message: [14:27] https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/5PBZCKKBss/ [14:28] It would seem that its requesting a manual filesystem check, via the instructions presented. [14:29] How exactly do I use this fsck command? I have now booted with an Ubuntu live system from my USB stick [14:29] fsck /dev/sda1 [14:33] cws: some more background info - golliver asked for help with this in #ubuntu-de yesterday, told us this is an old hdd. i suggested running gddrescue, output was: https://pastebin.com/raw/WSdEKxSS [14:34] Uh oh. [14:37] that is correct. so what can/should i do now? [14:39] i really would like to install ubuntu from scratch but i also want to keep my old data [14:46] Just backup your home directory/ [14:46] so... install ubuntu from scratch then [14:46] (on a different hard disk, or even ssd) [14:46] then try to rescue your old data later [14:46] I hope you have backups :) [14:56] Hello [15:18] Hi, since months I'm having trouble printing/scanning with my HP USB printer - there is no way to get anything out (or in) from the printer and typical error message shows the code 5012. Googled it and tried with tools like hp-check (which clearly says it does not support ubuntu 20.04 and reports tons of error about missing pachages, which I assume [15:18] are red herrings). I see that HP released a newer version of their driver long time ago, it is still not in the distro though. Any idea? [15:18] I am trying make deb-dkms, but I get "Required util alien missing", but alien is installed. what would cause this [15:35] kajetan: did you install hplip-gui and add your printer in gnome settings? [15:36] lotuspsychje: yes, I did - also hplip-gui reported same error: 5012 [15:36] kajetan: wich hp model is this? [15:37] jeremy31: modprobe -r btusb worked [15:37] next I might want to kill /usr/lib/bluetooth/bluetoothd [15:37] but it respawns [15:37] lotuspsychje: and to be clear, the printer works perfectly on Windows [15:37] sudo service bluetooth stop && sudo service bluetooth status | grep Status # Status: "Running" [15:37] :( [15:37] strk: try out stacer, you can enable disable services a gui way there [15:38] kajetan: there are some cases newer hp models might need a higher hplip version then on the ubuntu repos, but lets findout if its your case first [15:40] lotuspsychje: HP DeskJet 3635 - was working perfectly since beginning of the 2021 [15:40] kajetan: working great on ubuntu? wich release? [15:42] lotuspsychje: it was working on ubuntu 18, then I upgraded to ubuntu 20 and still was working great - then suddenly, I think in Jan/Feb 2020 I started to see this error, never worked since then [15:42] kajetan: i had something similar after lts upgrade, let me look wich bug that was [15:42] lotuspsychje: I thought was a matter of some update so was waiting for a fix but now starts to be annoying [15:44] kajetan: can you try advice #1 from bug #1719169 [15:44] bug 1719169 in hplip (Ubuntu) "hp-toolbox cannot start" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1719169 [15:45] strk I think you have to use systemctl to stop the bluetooth service [15:46] !info hplip [15:46] hplip (source: hplip): HP Linux Printing and Imaging System (HPLIP). In component main, is optional. Version 3.20.3+dfsg0-2 (focal), package size 199 kB, installed size 519 kB [15:55] jeremy31: [15:55] sudo systemctl stop bluetooth.service && sudo service bluetooth status | grep Status # Status: "Running" [15:56] and: ps xa | grep blue # 6626 ? Ss 0:00 /usr/lib/bluetooth/bluetoothd [15:57] strk systemctl stop bluetooth.service [15:58] did it, jeremy31, see above (process is still there) [15:58] systemctl stop bluetooth.service && ps xa | grep blue # 6744 ? Rs 0:00 /usr/lib/bluetooth/bluetoothd [15:59] strk: you might need to blacklist the bluetooth module and try a reboot [16:24] hi [16:25] laptop arrives at grub cli [16:25] how to find the kernel? [16:39] recyclehero: https://sourceforge.net/projects/boot-repair-cd/files/ [17:31] lotuspsychje: think I already tried that - I'll give it another shot [17:31] ok [17:32] lotuspsychje: and I'll try to re-install hp-gui as well [17:38] lotuspsychje: will try and let you know - thank you for the help; what is actually surprising me is that hp drivers are still not updated to the latest version in ubuntu repositories. I am assuming there are good reasons... [17:40] kajetan: well every ubuntu releases uses their own package versions, in our case LTS sticks to stable one, but yeah some hp models suffer bugs [17:41] kajetan: 18.04 for example, i had to grab a latest hplip manualy instead of the hplip from repos to make my hp model work [17:55] lotuspsychje: yeah, that is annoying as well as it can easily mess up the packages management; however this printer was working well with 18.04 and with early 20.04 as well - then something happened and it just stopped working. Printer is recongnized correctly, I see it in Gnome printers, cups and xsane but if I try to do something useful with it, [17:55] 5012 communication error is the only answer I can get. [17:56] hmmz [17:57] lotuspsychje: thank you, see you soon [17:57] kajetan: other ideas crossing my mind would be, creating a new user and test there aswell, and purge all hplip and try manualy latest hplip [17:58] HI! Cześć! Ahoj! [17:58] I've run out of ideas how to search for solution to my problem [17:59] since i have no experience with SSD [17:59] lotuspsychje: I have same problem with another user; definitelly I'll have to try the latest hplip installing it manually if I do not find a better solution. Thank you, will let you know if I find something. [17:59] allright, good luck mate [17:59] and when i install linux the drive always shuts down i have no idea why [18:05] zerofantastic: if you're looking for help with an ubuntu related problem, start by providing your ubuntu version, and describe the details of the problem, what you tried so far, how you could tell that things did not work as they should have. [18:05] if you know the hardware you're working with, provide details on it (not just the brand), too. [18:06] if you customized hardware or firmware (configurations), be sure to mention those, too. === theloudspeaker_ is now known as The_LoudSpeaker [18:27] is there any way to clone full disk encrypted (include /boot) SATA (2.5inch) disk to SSD? and is important the sizes of disks? [18:28] line17: yeah it's clonable, are the disks same size? [18:29] EriC^^, i didn't buy yet. is sizes important? i mean are they should be same size? [18:32] line17: https://askubuntu.com/questions/761763/cloning-encrypted-ssd-to-larger-ssd [18:33] EriC^^, source disk is not ssd [18:33] line17: you're thinking of getting a bigger or smaller one? [18:33] line17: same thing [18:34] EriC^^, if cloning supports different disk size i will buy bigger disk. if doesn't support then i will buy same size [18:35] It does support bigger size. Read the title [18:35] "to larger ssd" [18:36] line17: yeah you can clone it and then resize it to use the extra space [18:38] i should do this job in a live linux system, right? [18:38] or can i do this job on running os? [18:39] no you want to clone it while it's unmounted [18:39] from a live system [18:39] Cloning can (I think) be done on a running OS. It can be done on Raspberry Pis, so probably [18:40] umm. understood [18:41] i should do this job on live os and using 2 external disk reader [18:41] line17: You can still have one in the main slot, just not mounted (Eject it if not already) [18:55] hello [18:58] hi moss [18:59] Hello [18:59] why is it that when i install the live installer for ubuntu server to install a *minimal* image - it is installing stuff from "snap" as well as using "cloud-init" and all this other stuff i do not want? [19:01] moss: you should probably be using Debian, that's why [19:01] orly [19:02] Ubuntu likes to make all these random special projects that nobody wants =) [19:02] usually they die a few years later [19:02] i understand that, but i have used net installer images before that don't do all of this [19:02] well snap is fairly new [19:03] I'm sure you can disable it or avoid it, but if you used Debian you certainly would never encounter it at all [19:03] plus Debian has an actual stable branch, it is much more suitable for servers [19:03] i see [19:03] this is just for home use - experimenting [19:03] Ubuntu has no stable branch. It is sourced from unstable versions of Debian [19:03] avoiding desktop so i dont have a bunch of extra stuff as well [19:04] moss: which OS do you currently have [19:04] VMGuy23: Ubuntu 20.10 [19:04] server [19:04] I have standard 20.10 [19:04] well, if you're going to install any desktop apps and use them, you may as well use desktop [19:04] i will not be installing desktop [19:04] apps [19:04] cool [19:05] https://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst [19:07] what I'm reading suggests there's no simple "never use a snap package" config item anywhere, which is pretty disturbing [19:07] aha, 'no-snap.pref'? [19:08] moss: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1251809/can-i-completely-remove-snappy-packages-from-ubuntu-20-04-without-affecting-the#answer-1251819 [19:09] i think i can use a seed file [19:09] to do what i need to do [19:09] thanks [19:10] moss: the only app I miss in server is xclip, for scripts to grab the clipboard [19:10] without X you could use screen or tmux to do something similar [19:10] Wayland [19:11] matsaman: I use them both, but they can't grab windows clipboard being in vm [19:11] oh for virtualization [19:12] you would probably need a weird setup for that indeed [19:12] or you could use some system with X and ssh into the headless one [19:13] I use Ubuntu in vmware in wimdows [19:13] I dual-boot [19:17] VMGuy23: why's that? [19:17] van777: and you, what for? =) [19:17] VMGuy23: Video driver and games.. VMware is great.. [19:18] anyone can help with PPP ? trying to configure it right, works fine until it reconnects. PPP driver keeps trying to reattach when its attached already [19:18] van777: like it more than VirtualBox? [19:18] van777: KVM? [19:18] matsaman: I have a laptop that came with Windows, and decided, "i want Ubuntu" but I didn't think (possibly didnt know) about VMs. So, I decided to Dual-boot [19:18] matsaman: Not KVM, not vbox, VMWare. [19:19] I has issues with USB wifi cars in virtualbox. No problems in vmware. [19:19] card* [19:19] I had* [19:21] My 24/7 server is in termux on an old Android phone, actually.. [19:22] Another android TV box with debian in Linux deploy is 24/7 lately too.. [19:26] matsaman: i figured out the issue. ubuntu 20.10 does not have the option for minimal install. only 20.04 LTS so i guess they stopped doing it [19:26] ill just use 20.04 LTS [19:27] VMGuy23: matsamanbut I've got some scripts with python selenium chromedriver. It doesn't work on non x64 architecture.. That's why I'm on ununtu in vmware sometimes. [19:27] mmm [19:28] pa [19:28] Never mind [19:28] ubuntu-20.04-legacy-server-amd64.iso is what its called now... "legacy" [19:31] geez, thats an LTS as well [19:45] hi, Chrom(e)ium has dark mode that can be enabled in the OS, but this document specifically talks about Win and Mac: https://support.google.com/chrome/answer/9275525?co=GENIE.Platform%3DDesktop&hl=en [19:45] is there an equivalent for Ubuntu (or Linux in general) ? [19:46] Just use a dark GTK theme and set your crome theme to GTK+ [19:46] AppAraat[m]: I use xcalib to invert colors [19:46] usually I combine it with blue light reduction, which can also be done via xcalib [19:47] gnome-look.org is the place to find GTK theme, extract them to ~/.themes and use Gnome Tweaks to enable them [19:47] VMGuy23: I use i3wm though. [19:47] Gnome Tweaks is not gnome-only [19:48] LXAppearance also works, though [19:48] xcalib -a -green 1.0 0.0 75.0 -blue 1.0 0.0 50.0 is blue light reduction [19:48] if you add -i it inverts [19:48] xcalib -c clears [19:48] whats -a [19:49] alter [19:49] matsaman: to be clearer, it's not necessarily about making the appearance dark(er), it's more about setting the "OS theme" to dark so that browsers see that and tell it to websites (which can then present you with dark versions of their sites) [19:49] I've got a script that cycles between those three states. It also reverse my terminal colors, though [19:50] AppAraat[m]: that happens with dark GTK i think [19:50] AppAraat[m]: that's a backwards way to address the problem that won't ever work [19:50] color schemes need to be at the OS level [19:50] it's an OS-level accessibility issue, has nothing to do with websites [19:50] if half of your websites are available in a 'dark theme', that just means it'll be even more jarring when you encounter a bright white one [19:50] you can only solve this problem before the web browser [19:51] Chrom(e)ium has a flag (chrome://flags) which enables a CSS-based custom dark theme. Just search dark [19:51] macOS & iOS _almost_ have it figured out [19:52] that OS still has trouble combining inverted colors _and_ blue light reduction [19:52] but it is able to apply inversion to all but images, which is fancy [19:52] matsaman: that's not really relevant since I'm not solving the issue of making websites darker, I have an extension for that (Dark Reader). I simply want the browsers to see the value that the OS is set to a dark theme, so I thought that maybe there was a certain flag in the OS itself (or on browsers) [19:53] AppAraat[m]: if there were you would still have to individually compel every website you used to adopt support, no? [19:53] VMGuy23: Ah yep: chrome://flags/#enable-force-dark - let's see if that works. [19:54] matsaman: yes, but for websites that do support dark mode, I can turn off Dark Reader and gain some performance on page load. [19:54]