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ubptgbot<carrabelloy> (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/jjdnfTB2.webp01:54
ubptgbot<atheistd> Hi folks, I just installed Ubuntu Touch on my old phone (vince) for testing it if it's daily driver ready and noticed the kernel version is 3.18 and is based on Ubuntu 16.04.7 LTS. … What I'm guessing (based on my *limited* research) is that halium provides abstraction needed by linux distros to run on Android phones by still running the03:28
ubptgbot kernel provided by the phone vendor, i.e. still Android Linux Kernel. … What I'm wondering is can I run Ubuntu Server for aarch64 (like how Raspberry Pi has) and then somehow install `ubuntu-touch` package? (I don't care for anything except for WiFi and Touch input to work out of the box) … If someone can help me understand, could you also tell me03:28
ubptgbot the difference between the Raspberry Pi's SOC and the one on a generic Snapdragon Phone?03:28
ubptgbot<dohbee> We do not support that, no03:36
ubptgbot<dohbee> The Pi is not a snapdragon. It's a broadcom instead03:36
ubptgbot<atheistd> @dohbee [We do not support that, no], What exactly do you not support? Installing `ubuntu-touch` on a standard (desktop) linux installation or using a desktop kernel on a phone?03:37
ubptgbot<atheistd> @dohbee [The Pi is not a snapdragon. It's a broadcom instead], Yes, but what are some technical differences which cause the need to use the Android Linux Kernel (halium) instead of the standard Linux Kernel (mainline)? … I understand both are proprietary SOCs but nothing else?03:38
ubptgbot<dohbee> we don't really support using mainline kernel on Android based devices. Ubuntu Touch is ported to various Android devices by using the Android kernel, drivers, and HAL, so that we know the hardware works. We cannot guarantee that hardware will work on random devices that shipped with Android, without the Android layer, since the drivers ar03:39
ubptgbote not open source03:39
ubptgbot<dohbee> you are welcome to attempt it, but don't expect to get any support for doing so if you encounter issues03:40
ubptgbot<Fuseteam> basically what you asking @atheistd is about porting mainline linux on android smartphones03:41
ubptgbot<Fuseteam> that's a long uncharted road atm03:42
ubptgbot<atheistd> @dohbee [we don't really support using mainline kernel on Android based devices. Ubuntu T …], So from what I understand, the closed sourced drivers are the reason why we need to use Halium, umm, right?03:43
ubptgbot<Fuseteam> we reuse the android kernel because it is a more "tried and through" process to get working hardware as quickly as possible and even then it can take up to a year to get a working device03:43
ubptgbot<atheistd> @Fuseteam [basically what you asking @atheistd is about porting mainline linux on android s …], Tbh, that's what I assumed when I heard "Ubuntu Touch, using Linux instead of your android installation". But I guess some approaches have their downsides. :')03:44
ubptgbot<Fuseteam> @atheistd [So from what I understand, the closed sourced drivers are the reason why we need …], yes but also every device has its own unique drivers03:44
ubptgbot<atheistd> @Fuseteam [we reuse the android kernel because it is a more "tried and through" process to …], Ah, I understand now.03:44
ubptgbot<atheistd> @Fuseteam [yes but also every device has its own unique drivers], I don't mean to argue, but so does the Raspberry Pi.03:45
ubptgbot<Fuseteam> so basically halium is just the layer to talk to the hardware, everything else is well not android :P03:45
ubptgbot<atheistd> @Fuseteam [so basically halium is just the layer to talk to the hardware, everything else i …], That's weirdly satisfying to know :p03:46
ubptgbot<Fuseteam> @atheistd [I don't mean to argue, but so does the Raspberry Pi.], raspberry pi has a mainline support, see every single android device as a completely new board that needs to get mainline support03:46
ubptgbot<atheistd> Got it. Thanks.03:46
ubptgbot<Fuseteam> so the years of work that was done for raspberry pi, has to be done for every single android device, no not every brand or every series, every single model03:47
ubptgbot<Fuseteam> [Edit] so the years of work that was done for raspberry pi, has to be done for every single android device, no not every brand or every series but every single model03:47
ubptgbot<Fuseteam> [Edit] so the years of work that was done for raspberry pi, has to be done for every single android device, no not every brand or every series but every single model :P03:48
ubptgbot<Fuseteam> like on the level that you can't use the work done for the nexus 5 for the nexus 5x03:48
ubptgbot<Fuseteam> [Edit] like on the level that you can't use the work done for the nexus 5, for the nexus 5x03:48
ubptgbot<atheistd> If I were to do such an attempt in any way of porting 20.04 LTS on my specific phone, would the Ubports team be able to provide `ubuntu-touch` (the touch UI) as an `apt` package? Thinking of trying this out on a Raspberry Pi with a touchscreen first. :')03:49
ubptgbot<Fuseteam> guess in short, unlike a pc, the smartphone world is a wild west03:49
ubptgbot<Fuseteam> fwiw work is already on the way to upgrade ubuntu touch to 20.0403:50
ubptgbot<atheistd> Oh that's excellent to hear 🖤03:50
ubptgbot<atheistd> Well I won't have to go through hell to do all the porting, then.03:51
ubptgbot<dohbee> @atheistd [If I were to do such an attempt in any way of porting 20.04 LTS on my specific p …], no03:51
ubptgbot<Fuseteam> and ubuntu touch doesn't utilize `apt` partly due to the above reasons. as every device needs their own image, it much more efficient to work with image-base updates03:51
ubptgbot<Fuseteam> [Edit] and ubuntu touch doesn't support `apt` partly due to the above reasons. as every device needs their own image, it much more efficient to work with image-base updates03:52
ubptgbot<Fuseteam> @atheistd [Well I won't have to go through hell to do all the porting, then.], the kernel won't change due to the above reason fwiw :P03:52
ubptgbot<atheistd> (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/S8KbJS4c.webp04:09
ubptgbot<atheistd> @Fuseteam [and ubuntu touch doesn't support apt partly due to the above reasons. as every d …], Are you talking about not using apt in terms of packages or system updates?04:10
ubptgbot<Fuseteam> both actually04:15
ubptgbot<atheistd> Oh okay04:15
ubptgbot<Fuseteam> user installed packages are installed through the openstore, system updates are done via the settings :^304:18
ubptgbot<atheistd> I kinda realised that when I did an apt search firefox ಠ︵ಠ04:19
ubptgbot<Fuseteam> well firefox needs to be adapted.....04:21
ubptgbot<Fuseteam> its interface isn't exactly responsive and well apt doesn't like the read only rootfs04:22
ubptgbot<Fuseteam> you can try it in a libertine container tho04:22
ubptgbot<Fuseteam> https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/userguide/dailyuse/libertine.html04:22
ubptgbot<Fuseteam> tho its not a polished experience yet, no hardware acceleration yet for example04:23
ubptgbot<atheistd> I tried doing that, but my phone started lagging (fast charging heats it up and thermal throttles) so I checked the kernel version and ubuntu release version and that peaked my curiosity more than installing chromium/firefox :')04:24
ubptgbot<Fuseteam> I haven't seen that happen with libertine actually 👀04:26
ubptgbot<atheistd> No I mean my phone heats up when I use a 18W charger and it thermal throttles04:28
ubptgbot<Fuseteam> Oh, i don't have a 18w charger to try that out xD04:29
ubptgbot<atheistd> Do you have the same phone as I have? (vince)04:30
ubptgbot<Skaf Po> Which text editor you use ?05:36
ubptgbot<atheistd> vim, and currently learning emacs05:37
ubptgbot<Flohack> @atheistd [If I were to do such an attempt in any way of porting 20.04 LTS on my specific p …], There were some experiments with Raspberry some time ago, you can find that in a subforum in forums.ubports.com05:40
ubptgbot<atheistd> Oh, thanks05:42
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ubptgbot<im_not_dead_seiwer> Hello everybody. I would like to ask who knows what to do if the application selection window (which appears if you need to send a photo to telegrams or set the wallpaper) does not work ... does it either ignore the touch or just close it or just open the application not in selection mode? Maybe you can somehow fix it through t06:58
ubptgbothe terminal? And then it's so reluctant to roll back to OTA 15 (after all, the necessary applications no longer work on it), but it is also impossible to use it06:58
ubptgbot<Danfro> @im_not_dead_seiwer [Hello everybody. I would like to ask who knows what to do if the application sel …], The thing is called `content hub`. I have not heard problems with content hub after OTA 16.07:53
ubptgbot<Danfro> There has been a regression in devel channel, but that is already fixed.07:53
ubptgbot<Danfro> If you do have problems on stable, try a reboot. If that does not help, rerun the installer WITHOUT WIPE. And if all of this does not work please file a bug report.07:54
ubptgbot<fedgalli73> Hi there, I have a question about safety/privacy with UT: as UT uses Android (non open source?) drivers for the hardware, how are we sure that UT is such a privacy friendly phone OS? how far can we trust these drivers? is the UT linux kernel enough in "control" of these drivers that we can trust UT phones privacy-wise? sorry for the ma09:21
ubptgbotybe stupid question....09:21
ubptgbot<atheistd> @fedgalli73 [Hi there, I have a question about safety/privacy with UT: as UT uses Android (no …], Not to be rude but it's like questioning privacy on any other Linux Desktop OS using a third-party driver, say Nvidia. … And AFAIK, drivers ≠ firmware, so even when you use the vendor provided - closed sourced drivers - they don't invade you09:25
ubptgbotr privacy/"phone home". … However, if there are any problems with the drivers, say for like a backdoor, buffer overflow, memory leak, there's little the OS/Kernel can do.09:25
ubptgbot<alan_griffiths> @fedgalli73 [Hi there, I have a question about safety/privacy with UT: as UT uses Android (no …], This is a question better asked on the forum as answers will be swiftly "lost" in the chat here. For example: … https://forums.ubports.com/topic/560/a-question-in-regards-to-privacy-in-ut/1?_=161701633964409:26
ubptgbot<fedgalli73> @atheistd [Not to be rude but it's like questioning privacy on any other Linux Desktop OS u …], I do not (need to) use 3rd party drivers on my laptop ;) - I am not talking about backdoors, buffer overflows etc, which also OS drivers will have, but more like "hidden" behaviors that the UT linux kernel cannot control.09:35
ubptgbot<fedgalli73> @alan_griffiths [This is a question better asked on the forum as answers will be swiftly "lost" i …], thanks!09:35
ubptgbot<atheistd> @fedgalli73 [I do not (need to) use 3rd party drivers on my laptop ;) - I am not talking abou …], Then it's a no. You need not worry about anything nefarious the OS might do.09:36
ubptgbot<fedgalli73> @atheistd [Then it's a no. You need not worry about anything nefarious the OS might do.], strictly speaking i would trust more a native linux OS without any android layer, but I do like the UT user interface way more than sailfishos or purism....09:38
ubptgbot<fedgalli73> is UT using a community version of Android?09:39
ubptgbot<atheistd> @fedgalli73 [strictly speaking i would trust more a native linux OS without any android layer …], Plus the kernel related fixes are more easy to apply if it's a straight desktop kernel with things like NVMe (unless UFS somehow depends on it, I know nothing about UFS technicalities) stripped off for a more lightweight mobile kernel.09:42
ubptgbot<atheistd> @fedgalli73 [is UT using a community version of Android?], That I am not sure of09:42
ubptgbot<kauamotta13> G-morning/good evening/good night Everyone09:43
ubptgbot<kauamotta13> (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/09Cy0Qam.webp09:43
ubptgbot<im_not_dead_seiwer> @Danfro [If you do have problems on stable, try a reboot. If that does not help, rerun th …], Strange ... I am using the stable branch (it is impossible to use unstable versions on my device) but the content hub does not work ... I tried to reinstall without a wipe but it also does not work ...09:55
ubptgbot<Przemek> @atheistd [vim, and currently learning emacs], I was thinking about graphical env rather as in other distros usually there is something ....10:02
ubptgbot<atheistd> Sublime Text? Emacs is not a terminal exclusive, you can run it as a standalone GUI text editor.10:04
ubptgbot<Danfro> @im_not_dead_seiwer [Strange ... I am using the stable branch (it is impossible to use unstable versi …], It might be a device specific issue. Maybe ask the porter. And if there no additional information can be get, please file an issue.10:24
ubptgbot<jonny> @im_not_dead_seiwer [Hello everybody. I would like to ask who knows what to do if the application sel …], Which device?11:08
ubptgbot<robje> what block device should be mounted on /cache/recovery when installing  oneplus3T ?11:11
ubptgbot<Flohack> @robje [what block device should be mounted on /cache/recovery when installing  oneplus3 …], Actually you should mount only on /cache.... It depends: If your cache partition is greater tahn 512MB lets say (Idk the minimum size right now) then this partition, whatever it is but fstab will know. If smaller, then you need a fake cache bindmo11:12
ubptgbotunt to /data/cache11:12
ubptgbot<robje> on my device when in recovery mode this is a tmpfs11:12
ubptgbot<Flohack> @robje [on my device when in recovery mode this is a tmpfs], Definitely not good11:12
ubptgbot<Flohack> @robje [on my device when in recovery mode this is a tmpfs], Paste output of mount :)11:12
ubptgbot<robje> root@OnePlus3T:/ # mount … rootfs on / type rootfs (rw,size=2838236k,nr_inodes=709559) … tmpfs on /dev type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,relatime,size=2918868k,nr_inodes=729717,mode=755) … devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,relatime,mode=600,ptmxmode=000) … proc on /proc type proc (rw,relatime,gid=3009,hidepid=2) … sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw,relatime11:13
ubptgbot) … tmpfs on /tmp type tmpfs (rw,relatime,size=2918868k,nr_inodes=729717) … tmpfs on /storage type tmpfs (rw,relatime,size=2918868k,nr_inodes=729717,mode=050,gid=1028) … pstore on /sys/fs/pstore type pstore (rw,relatime) … adb on /dev/usb-ffs/adb type functionfs (rw,relatime) … /dev/block/bootdevice/by-name/system on /system type ext4 (rw,relatime,11:13
ubptgbotdiscard,data=ordered) … /dev/block/bootdevice/by-name/persist on /persist type ext4 (rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime,data=ordered) … /dev/block/bootdevice/by-name/dsp on /dsp type ext4 (ro,nosuid,nodev,relatime,data=ordered) … /dev/block/bootdevice/by-name/modem on /firmware type vfat (ro,relatime,uid=1000,gid=1000,fmask=0337,dmask=0227,codepage=437,iocha11:13
ubptgbotrset=iso8859-1,shortname=lower,errors=remount-ro) … /dev/block/bootdevice/by-name/bluetooth on /bt_firmware type vfat (ro,relatime,uid=1002,gid=3002,fmask=0333,dmask=0222,codepage=437,iocharset=iso8859-1,shortname=lower,errors=remount-ro) … tmpfs on /cache type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,nodev,noatime,size=262144k,nr_inodes=729717,mode=771,uid=1000,gid=1000)11:13
ubptgbot … root@OnePlus3T:/ #11:13
ubptgbot<Flohack> Maybe next time in pad but ok ^^11:13
ubptgbot<Flohack> There is no cache mount11:13
ubptgbot<Flohack> Ahh here11:14
ubptgbot<Flohack> ok and now plz pad the file /etc/fstab11:14
ubptgbot<robje> ? pad ?11:15
ubptgbot<fredldotme> something like https://paste.ubuntu.com/11:16
ubptgbot<Flohack> @robje [? pad ?], pastebin, etc ^^11:16
ubptgbot<robje> https://pastebin.com/WvQH8qYh11:17
ubptgbot<Flohack> @robje [https://pastebin.com/WvQH8qYh], Okay so someone scripted that into a recovery init job, since its not in fstab. @vince1171 looking at you? =)11:18
ubptgbot<robje> what can i do to get ubports installed ?11:27
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ubptgbot<robje> looking back there was also no /data mounted.11:44
ubptgbot<robje> when i tried manually, for some reason it was formatted as f2fs still 🤯11:44
ubptgbot<vince1171> @robje [what can i do to get ubports installed ?], on the op3T? use the installer ^^12:35
ubptgbot<vince1171> @robje [on my device when in recovery mode this is a tmpfs], wtf12:35
ubptgbot<vince1171> do you use the halium recovery? … here is the mount of my op3t using the Halium recovery … https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Ng73y9bN84/12:40
ubptgbot<vince1171> @robje [when i tried manually, for some reason it was formatted as f2fs still 🤯], to format your data partition to ext4, you'll need twrp > wipe > advanced > select data > format > ext412:41
ubptgbot<fedgalli73> we don't really support using mainline kernel on Android based devices. Ubuntu Touch is ported to various Android devices by using the Android kernel, drivers, and HAL, so that we know the hardware works. We cannot guarantee that hardware will work on random devices that shipped with Android, without the Android layer, since the driver12:46
ubptgbots are not open source12:46
ubptgbot<robje> @vince1171 [do you use the halium recovery? … here is the mount of my op3t using the Halium re …], I use recovery installed with installer13:07
ubptgbot<vince1171> Could you send me (via pastebin) the result of `dmesg`13:11
ubptgbot<robje> the output of mount after I fixed userdata was the same as your paste.13:20
ubptgbot<robje> @vince1171 [Could you send me (via pastebin) the result of dmesg], dmesg from recovery with userdata as f2fs or with userdata as ext4 ?13:21
ubptgbot<vince1171> @robje [the output of mount after I fixed userdata was the same as your paste.], If the output is the same, you should be able to install UT then :)13:23
ubptgbot<robje> yes, I now have UT installed. After many, many tries.13:24
ubptgbot<mateosalta> @robje [yes, I now have UT installed. After many, many tries.], ah yeah, op3 is nice, i like the screen13:25
ubptgbot<vince1171> @robje [yes, I now have UT installed. After many, many tries.], sorry for the inconvenience :/ … I'll try to add the "format to ext4" in the "first install" option13:26
ubptgbot<vince1171> @robje [yes, I now have UT installed. After many, many tries.], small question … many tries even after switching to ext4 from f2fs?13:27
ubptgbot<robje> I'm pretty sure I followed all the steps the installer prompted for; including formatting user.13:28
ubptgbot<robje> every time the message was something like … upload interrupted check cable13:29
ubptgbot<mateosalta> i had to go in and do all the recovery fascory reset, wipe cache ect13:30
ubptgbot<mateosalta> that was awhile ago :)13:31
ubptgbot<robje> first (untouched) attempt after formatting ext4 was successful13:31
ubptgbot<robje> Is there a way for the installer to … 1) verify available space in destination directory … 2) verify correct mounts ?13:32
ubptgbot<vince1171> I'll look for a fix … first I'll add an automatically "format to ext4" step … which OxygenOS version was installed on your device?13:37
ubptgbot<robje> lineageos 17.113:40
ubptgbot<robje> dd 2021-03-2213:41
ubptgbot<vince1171> so android 10 thx :)13:44
ubptgbot<robje> did I or android 10 break something?13:47
ubptgbot<vince1171> no no don't worry ;)13:50
ubptgbot<robje> I'm not worrying, just wondering what the issue might be13:51
ubptgbot<robje> [Edit] I'm not worrying, just wondering/curious what the issue might be13:52
ubptgbot<Nicktl> I ordered a refurbished Xperia X, a huge upgrade compared to the nexus 5.13:53
ubptgbot<vince1171> @robje [I'm not worrying, just wondering/curious what the issue might be], All comes from the fact that the halium recovery doesn't support f2fs … so the recovery try to mount data on /cache (it's work that way with UT), … as the recovery doesn't support f2fs, it fails,  … then the recovery seems to create a tmpfs cache as a replacement14:00
ubptgbot,  … the installer push the update/install on the tmpfs,  … the tmpfs became full because the update/install is too large for the tmpfs. … `adb push` fails, so the installer assume the connection is lost. (that need to be changed) … so … 1) I need to format the data partition on the first installation … 2) the error messages for `adb push` need to14:00
ubptgbotbe updated14:00
ubptgbot<robje> thanx for the explanation.14:04
ubptgbot<Fuseteam> )314:06
ubptgbot<vince1171> @robje [I'm not worrying, just wondering/curious what the issue might be], [Edit] All comes from the fact that the halium recovery doesn't support f2fs … so the recovery try to mount data on /cache (it's work that way with UT), … as the recovery doesn't support f2fs, it fails,  … then the recovery seems to create a tmpfs cache as a repl14:09
ubptgbotacement,  … the installer push the update/install on the tmpfs,  … the tmpfs became full because the update/install is too large for the tmpfs. … `adb push` fails, so the installer assume the connection is lost. (that need to be changed) … so … 1) I need to format the data partition to ext4 on the first installation … 2) the error messages for `adb14:09
ubptgbot push` need to be updated14:09
ubptgbot<C0n57an71n> @Nicktl [I ordered a refurbished Xperia X, a huge upgrade compared to the nexus 5.], I'm interested as well to buy one. How is it?14:30
ubptgbot<Nicktl> @C0n57an71n [I'm interested as well to buy one. How is it?], I dont know yet, but a few people here own one already14:32
ubptgbot<Javacookies> if you like smaller phones then it's great14:40
ubptgbot<atheistd> I'm not sure if this is the appropriate question for this group, but considering people who know about porting UT to Android devices are here, I think I will get the most accurate answers here. … Pine64 says on their website that it can run/does run the mainline Linux Kernel. So, in case of running UT on the PinePhone, does UT still use14:43
ubptgbotany abstraction layer like Halium or is it actually Mainline Linux Kernel?14:43
ubptgbot<Javacookies> it's running mainline and that's why it has its own issues at the moment 😅 … and add to that, running on wayland14:46
ubptgbot<Fuseteam> @atheistd [I'm not sure if this is the appropriate question for this group, but considering …], the pinephone doesn't need halium, it has actual mainline linux. android devices need halium, the pinephone is not an android device14:47
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ubptgbot<atheistd> Oh okay15:08
ubptgbot<AgnieszKa17> Hello, is there available any app for synchronization with smart band or watch?15:56
ubptgbot<klaartje_b> There is Rockwork for the Pebble watches.15:57
ubptgbot<AgnieszKa17> And how about Mi Bands?16:02
ubptgbot<klaartje_b> Have you checked the OpenStore? Because that is what I'm about to do to answer that question. 😉16:02
ubptgbot<AgnieszKa17> currently I am on Android phone with F-droid apps16:10
ubptgbot<AgnieszKa17> I will try to check with webbrowser as well ;)16:10
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ubptgbot<klaartje_b> Yeah, that's the easiest way. https://open-store.io/?sort=relevance&search=smartwatch … But it looks like just Pebble and AsteroidOS. Can your Mi Band run that?16:14
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ubptgbot<AgnieszKa17> That's a good question. I have just searched for Peeble smartwatches, they are Amazfit in other words 🤔16:32
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ubptgbot<AgnieszKa17> But anyway, on my Redmi Note 7 when I last used it with UT bluetooth did not work, so it would not see ang band or smartwatch anyway 🤔16:34
ubptgbot<AgnieszKa17> * any band16:35
ubptgbot<klaartje_b> I have my Pebble working with Rockwork on UT. Not sure in how far Amazfit are the same.16:36
ubptgbot<j2g2rp> Talking about this. There any plans to support (syncing) pinetime? 😅16:38
ubptgbot<klaartje_b> Someone would need to build an app.16:39
ubptgbot<klaartje_b> @AgnieszKa17 [That's a good question. I have just searched for Peeble smartwatches, they are A …], I do not think they run the same OS, so I don't think they are the same in that way. You can probably not use Rockwork with an Amazfit.16:41
ubptgbot<Danqok> @AgnieszKa17 [And how about Mi Bands?], for sailfish and kde is https://github.com/piggz/harbour-amazfish16:46
ubptgbot<Danqok> I would love to help with porting, but I haven't enough time now16:47
ubptgbot<TotalSonic> @AgnieszKa17 [Hello, is there available any app for synchronization with smart band or watch?], You can use the Telescope app to sync to watches tht run Asteroid OS. The LG G watch R & Urbane work well for this and can be found for reasonable prices on the second hand market.17:32
ubptgbot<Steve Kueffer> Hi, it seems that I just found 2 issues with the photos (since OTA-16?): … 1) Unable to rotate the pictures in the app gallery (little arrows on the top are unresponsive)  … 2) In instant-pho app, unable to load the picture in the 2nd screen (see picture, screen is blank). Tested on both Nexus 5 and Vollaphone OTA-16 Stable.  … Befo18:35
ubptgbotre I open issues on Github, did you notice that as well?18:35
ubptgbot<Steve Kueffer> (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/CUkvmX1y.jpeg18:35
ubptgbot<Steve Kueffer> (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/2jcqAttw.jpeg18:35
ubptgbot<Steve Kueffer> [Edit] Hi, it seems that I just found 2 issues with the photos (since OTA-16?): … 1) Unable to rotate the pictures in the app gallery (little arrows on the top are unresponsive)  … 2) In instant-pho app, unable to load the picture in the 2nd screen (see picture, screen is blank). Tested on both Nexus 5 and Vollaphone OTA-16 Stable.18:39
ubptgbot … Before I open issues on Github, did you notice that as well? … EDIT: Issue is open in Gitlab about Instant-pho issue: https://gitlab.com/dobey/instantpho/-/issues/618:39
ubptgbot<TronFortyTwo> @Steve Kueffer [Hi, it seems that I just found 2 issues with the photos (since OTA-16?): … 1) Una …], Thanks for the report! About (1) If you can open an issue on gitlab would be great👍18:49
ubptgbot<dohbee> huh18:51
ubptgbot<jonny> FYI: With the 2.0.0 update, you don't need to manually start the OSM Scout Server anymore for offline navigation. You also don't need to disable background suspension for it.18:51
ubptgbot<Fuseteam> oooh18:53
ubptgbot<klaartje_b> @jonny [FYI: With the 2.0.0 update, you don't need to manually start the OSM Scout Serve …], Wow, super nice!18:54
ubptgbot<Steve Kueffer> @TronFortyTwo [Thanks for the report! About (1) If you can open an issue on gitlab would be gre …], Ok with pleasure 😉 It's done. https://gitlab.com/ubports/apps/gallery-app/-/issues/104 … Thank you18:56
ubptgbot<BenAhmetArvas> iam force stop anbox-tool install so anbox dont working how can i deiete anbox and reinstall on lavender19:15
ubptgbot<TotalSonic> @Steve Kueffer [Hi, it seems that I just found 2 issues with the photos (since OTA-16?): … 1) Una …], Gallery rotation is working correctly on my Volla OTA-1619:18
ubptgbot<TotalSonic> @jonny [FYI: With the 2.0.0 update, you don't need to manually start the OSM Scout Serve …], Nice!  thank you for your work on this19:18
ubptgbot<jonny> @TotalSonic [Nice!  thank you for your work on this], Most of it was done by rinigus, as always.19:19
ubptgbot<Steve Kueffer> @TotalSonic [Gallery rotation is working correctly on my Volla OTA-16], Thank you Steven, now I realize something: Indeed, when first touching the semi-circular arrow down the screen, it works, the picture well rotate, and than I can use the little arrows above the image to rotate again. But if I first touch those little arrows, it19:35
ubptgbotdoesn't work. Thank you for the tip! 😉19:35
ubptgbot<Steve Kueffer> @TotalSonic [Gallery rotation is working correctly on my Volla OTA-16], Than I just closed the issue. Sorry for the inconvenience.19:40
ubptgbot<Fuseteam> normal: switch channels to refresh the rootfs … hard: rerun the installer without selecting wipe20:14
ubptgbot<Fuseteam> [Edit] normal: switch channels to refresh the rootfs … emergency: rerun the installer without selecting wipe20:14
ubptgbot<Fuseteam> (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/CjqdzGPA.png tinkerers:20:15
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ubptgbot<ddggtg0> Lenovo TB-X606F hi, is will be work?20:22
ubptgbot<LGeek> @Fuseteam [<reply to media>], How I can install Flick keyboard? It is better than stock keyboard?20:25
ubptgbot<Fuseteam> @ddggtg0 [Lenovo TB-X606F hi, is will be work?], Please check our full list of working devices at devices.ubuntu-touch.io20:25
ubptgbot<Fuseteam> @LGeek [How I can install Flick keyboard? It is better than stock keyboard?], I personally like better20:26
ubptgbot<ddggtg0> @Fuseteam [Please check our full list of working devices at devices.ubuntu-touch.io], i look there but this devic no found 😔20:26
ubptgbot<Fuseteam> @ddggtg0 [i look there but this devic no found 😔], Like i said "full list" if it isn't on that list it would work20:27
ubptgbot<Fuseteam> That page also explains what you can do20:27
ubptgbot<Fuseteam> @LGeek [How I can install Flick keyboard? It is better than stock keyboard?], I'm still working out the final touches, so far you can install it by remounting your rootfs(temporarily) as rw, run `sudo ubports-qa install keyboard-component 128`, select no when it prompts you, `sudo apt install ubuntu-keyboard-english-flick` and finally re20:30
ubptgbotstart the keyboard with `restart maliit-server`20:30
ubptgbot<Fuseteam> Be sure to deactivate flick when updating, in the event it is wiped you won't be able to use your keyboard untill you either reinstall it or select another layout20:32
ubptgbot<ddggtg0> @Fuseteam [That page also explains what you can do], how u think? this device lenovo how soon be port? thanks20:32
ubptgbot<Fuseteam> @ddggtg0 [how u think? this device lenovo how soon be port? thanks], Check the page, it's all explained there20:32
ubptgbot<ddggtg0> @Fuseteam [Check the page, it's all explained there], u have russin tg?20:33
ubptgbot<Fuseteam> I do not speak russian20:33
ubptgbot<ddggtg0> @Fuseteam [Check the page, it's all explained there], [Edit] u have russion tg?20:33
ubptgbot<Fuseteam> But the people in https://t.me/ubports_ru do20:34
ubptgbot<ddggtg0> oke thanks understand20:34
ubptgbot<ddggtg0> o yes, thanks! 😊20:34
ubptgbot<LGeek> @Fuseteam [I'm still working out the final touches, so far you can install it by remounting …], Thank you21:00
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ubptgbot<RaphaelItsMe> Can someone give me a hint why I find … `rumble.com` blocked in `/etc/hosts`21:59
ubptgbot<dohbee> Your using uadblock and it's in one of the active lists22:02
ubptgbot<j2g2rp> do you use uadblock?22:02
ubptgbot<RaphaelItsMe> yes, I've just figured out.22:02
ubptgbot<RaphaelItsMe> thanks22:03
ubptgbot<Fuseteam> @LGeek [Thank you], Feel free to pm any questions and/or issues you have/find22:24
ubptgbot<Soscat House> Anyone know if the APN settings are stored in a config file somewhere? ... If so, where is it located?22:59
ubptgbot<Fuseteam> What are you trying to do?23:14
ubptgbot<Fuseteam> @LGeek [Thank you], When you install it, can you send me a screenshot?23:20
ubptgbot<Fuseteam> @LGeek [Thank you], [Edit] After you install it, can you send me a screenshot of the keyboard?23:21
ubptgbot<LGeek> @Fuseteam [After you install it, can you send me a screenshot of the keyboard?], Of course23:59

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