[01:26] <greentree47> join #systemd
[01:46] <Sven_vB> I have a focal machine on which, to get network working, I have to either unplug and replug my USB ethernet adapter after openbox is ready, or issue command "sudo modprobe ax88179_178a". I created a file /etc/modprobe.d/usbnet.conf with "ax88179_178a" + linefeed in it, rebooted, but "lsmod | grep ax" still is empty. dmesg has no messag about it, syslog says "systemd-modules-load[1193]: Failed to look up module alias 'ax88179_178a':
[01:46] <Sven_vB> Function not implemented". how can I fix it?
[02:55] <atari2600a> okay, what's going on
[02:55] <atari2600a> I put the new beta on my pi & now I can't change back to xorg in gdm
[02:55] <atari2600a> why can't I change the default session in gdm
[02:55] <atari2600a> I checked /usr/share/xsessions & gnome-xorg.desktop is literally right there
[02:56] <atari2600a> someone here needs to tell me how to beepboop gdm the right way to re-enable the ability to change sessions, because I am *not* using wayland if you outright refuse to fix it working in framebuffer_depth=24 mode
[02:56] <atari2600a> I'm not going to use ubuntu as a production OS with amiga graphics
[02:56] <atari2600a> NO ONE WILL
[02:57] <atari2600a> I can't believe you even left framebuffer_depth to default to 16, seriously, amiga
[02:57] <atari2600a> the graphics I'm looking at right now as I'm typing this should look better than the best of what the 1980s has to offer
[02:57] <atari2600a> omg, & the worst part
[02:58] <atari2600a> the worst part about all of this
[02:58] <atari2600a> is wayland was working just fine in 20.10 in 24-bit color mode
[03:01] <atari2600a> see, notice how there's no one here
[03:01] <atari2600a> they're all on their private canonical company.....thing
[03:01] <atari2600a> all the cool kid volunteers left 10 years ago
[03:01] <atari2600a> you deserved to die, ubuntu
[03:02] <atari2600a> I bet the forums were taken offline & all archives destroyed for legalise liability reasons
[03:07] <Sven_vB> atari2600a, yes the default flavors are optimized for more usual use cases. this helps ensure Ubuntu makes enough money to keep going. which in turn allows for people like me to pick just the good parts.
[03:07] <Sven_vB> atari2600a, what install method did you use anyway?
[03:07] <atari2600a> 'makes enough money'
[03:07] <atari2600a> preinstalled image
[03:07] <atari2600a> the only one
[03:08] <atari2600a> I'm just saying, arch is run by 6 guys in an irc server
[03:08] <Sven_vB> do you mean the cloud image?
[03:08] <atari2600a> no the desktop image
[03:09] <atari2600a> contrary to popular belief, the raspberry pi is a computer
[03:09] <Sven_vB> yeah. still, desktop is geared towards "desktop users".
[03:09] <atari2600a> btw there is absolutely no need to call it 'preinstalled' when it runs the OEM installer on first boot
[03:10] <atari2600a> yeah, & a deskop user won't want to look at a 16-bit image
[03:10] <Sven_vB> you might be better off starting with the cloud image (https://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/focal/) and then use ansible to install what you want and not install any clutter.
[03:10] <atari2600a> this isn' AOL, this is Ubuntu. the thing you install to do image editing & watch youtube
[03:10] <atari2600a> omg
[03:11] <atari2600a> you guys getting so EEE'd by microsoft with all this azure cloud shit, I'm not doing it.  I install a desktop os & run update on the package manager, just like I have for the past 20 years
[03:11] <atari2600a> no containers, no virtualization, just a barebones x server
[03:11] <atari2600a> I'd be contempt with weston IF IT WORKED IN 24-BIT MODE
[03:11] <Sven_vB> afaik the "cloud" image is just a very barebones Ubuntu.
[03:12] <atari2600a> yeah, so I'd install the ubuntu-desktop package myself, I get it
[03:12] <Sven_vB> of course you can also multistrap to get it even more barebones
[03:12] <atari2600a> but that still wouldn't change the fact that your defaults don't allow us to change sessions at gdm
[03:12] <Sven_vB> well, the ubuntu-desktop package has some dependencies I don't like, so I forgo that.
[03:13] <atari2600a> yeah but if I'm doing all that, why not arch or deb you know?
[03:13] <atari2600a> upstream
[03:13] <Sven_vB> dunno, I never encountered those defaults in focal, due to the way I install.
[03:13] <Sven_vB> I use Ubuntu because the support is nice usually. :)
[03:13] <atari2600a> I'm just saying, things are getting a bit KDE4/GNOME3 Classic in here
[03:14] <atari2600a> *was
[03:14] <atari2600a> I mean, here we are
[03:14] <atari2600a> over 1000 users & no one to talk to
[03:14] <atari2600a> micsoroft took the slow & steady route to kill ubuntu
[03:14] <Sven_vB> yeah it's easter holiday
[03:14] <atari2600a> oh, shit, right
[03:14] <atari2600a> fuck
[03:15] <atari2600a> sorry apparently the server lags me when I swear
[03:15] <Sven_vB> no problem
[03:16] <atari2600a> but, it's not like an op's gonna ban me.  & even if u r op, it's like, whatevs I'm not getting much help anyways :)
[03:17] <Sven_vB> indeed. however, that might be a matter of approach. :)
[03:17] <Sven_vB> anyway, I gotta go now. happy ranting :)
[03:19] <hwpplayer1> hi people!
[04:46] <pagios> hello, so i would like to monitor my disks running in lvm raid1 , what tool is best to make sure the disks are ok at all time? smarttools or do you recommend something else?
[04:52] <jamie_1> hey, im currently trying to use an isp programmer but im running into some issues with ubuntu handling it, im currently running ubuntu 18.04.5 and when i go to plug in the usb isp programmer it never makes it to a tty, in the journalctl -xe im seeing https://pastebin.com/3FQcgyyP
[05:01] <atari2600a> Hello!  & on behalf of everyone at Canonical, Ltd I'd like to WELCOME you  bothto the null void!
[05:02] <atari2600a> pagios, apt-cache search smart
[05:02] <atari2600a> jamie_1, you need to something something add serial to the right user/group
[05:03] <atari2600a> there should be a whole wikipedia page about getting serial interfaces up & running
[05:03] <atari2600a> sorry not wikipedia, what I meant to say is there should be a whole outdated ubuntu page on he matter
[05:04] <atari2600a> when in doubt, pretend it's an arduino, because it's going to interface the same way probably.  https://google.com/search?q=arduino%20not%20working%20ubunu
[05:04] <atari2600a> you know what the sad thing about ubuntu is?
[05:05] <atari2600a> 24hrs later, no commits to the repositories
[05:05] <atari2600a> everyone's getting down with jesus on sundays
[05:09] <jamie_1> atari2600a: i'll take a look, bit new to screwing with devices
[05:18] <pagios> atari2600a: why not use zabbix or nagios
[05:28] <jamie_1> honestly.... nevermind... im just gonna build a quick programmer out of an arduino and save myself the nightmare im having right now
[05:29] <jamie_1> the further i looked into the more i realized on linux i would actually have to reprogram the programmer as the firmware on it is garbage and im too lazy to do that right now, ill reflash it later and make it an easy to use programmer. But i want my printer back up so im just gonna build one
[05:35] <tomreyn> not really an ubuntu topic, but here you go: https://wiki.fryktoria.com/doku.php?id=arduino:how-to-fix-a-usb-isp-programmer-and-make-it-work-with-arduino-ide-on-linux
[06:31] <atal> I have created a boot script. There is just a simple line `echo "SET=0" > "$rootmnt"/boot/boottime.rc` . But update-initramfs updates successfully. The file is not begin created in boot dir.
[06:31] <atal> Any suggestions please?
[06:32] <atari2600a> look at me
[06:32] <atari2600a> LOOK AT ME
[06:32] <atari2600a> systemd is the init system now
[06:34] <atal> atari2600a: I want to run the script before mounting rootfs and wants to include the script in initrd.
[07:37] <hwpplayer1> hi people!
[07:37] <hwpplayer1> I am running 2 vm but this is just a beginning
[07:52] <atari2600a> atal, you aren't getting it bruh
[07:52] <atari2600a> the kernel runs initramfs
[07:52] <atari2600a> initramfs drops directly into systemd
[07:53] <atari2600a> we're talking late-80's monolith kernel-&-monolith structure
[07:53] <atari2600a> it controls init, services, networking & scheduling
[08:01] <atal> If I want to run a script in initrd then what should I do?
[08:05] <EriC^^> atal: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/460219/how-to-run-a-script-before-switch-root-in-initramfs   2nd answer
[08:08] <toffo> Hi there. Having a bit of an issue after dd-copying a system SSD for my Raspberry Pi 4B. The copying went without any problems, but the new SSD boots to BusyBox and I can't mount the SSD's Linux partition due to an unknown error?
[08:09] <toffo> since it's been copied with dd "as-is", I'm wondering if I should i.e. force the filetable or something like that to the new SSD that won't boot.
[08:10] <lotuspsychje> toffo: can you also share the dd command you used to clone, perhaps volunteers know something
[08:10] <toffo> lotuspsychje: sure.
[08:10] <toffo> # sudo dd if=/dev/sde of=/dev/sdf bs=1M status=progress
[08:11] <lotuspsychje> toffo: the disks where same size?
[08:11] <toffo> 'bs=1M' just because it's faster that way, 'status=progress' does nothing to the copying but shows the status
[08:11] <toffo> lotuspsychje: yep, but different manufacturers. the other is a WD MyPassport and the other's Samsung T5 USB3 SSD.
[08:11] <toffo> both are USB3 SSD's tho.
[08:11] <toffo> 500GB
[08:12] <lotuspsychje> toffo: did you reboot for a second time too?
[08:12] <toffo> lotuspsychje: yes.
[08:12] <toffo> It just goes to BusyBox
[08:12] <lotuspsychje> hmm
[08:12] <toffo> I do see the partitions oknp
[08:13] <toffo> I read from somewhere that at times you have to copy the MBR separately, or use fdisk to force the filetable/partition structure on the dd-cloned disk
[08:13] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: ^ one for you
[08:14] <toffo> now I'm wondering if the results might've been better with i.e. Filezilla
[08:15] <toffo> I guess I should A/B compare the geometry of the disks. One thing that I've heard is that if there's a mismatch in i.e. sector sizes or so, that can be a problem
[08:16] <toffo> oh, okay, so gparted says "Can't have a partition outside the disk!"
[08:17] <toffo> (actually, it said it twice for that disk, so I'm kinda wondering if dd wrote "out of boundaries")
[08:17] <EriC^^> toffo: can you pastebin the output of 'sudo parted -ls' ? also did you run 'sync' after dd, that's pretty crucial as lots of stuff would still be in the cache if you just unplug the ssd after dd
[08:18] <toffo> however, according to 'fdisk -l', the source drive should be somewhat smaller than the destination
[08:18] <atal> EriC^^:  I have created a script in the same directory but the script is not doing it's job. https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/CF5zMhxT7J
[08:18] <toffo> there's plenty of empty space on the source drive, so another option would be to recreate the file tables and just rsync the files?
[08:18] <EriC^^> atal: perhaps try to let it send its log somewhere as it runs
[08:19] <EriC^^> maybe add /bin/bash -x  and let the output go to /somedir/myscriptlog
[08:20] <EriC^^> toffo: that would work, you'd need to edit the uuid's for the fs, and then chroot and reinstall grub
[08:21] <toffo> I find it a little bit odd that the process failed like this, I've made plenty of migrations on Raspberry Pi SSD's before
[08:22] <EriC^^> toffo: as i said, pastebin parted's output and did you run sync?
[08:22] <toffo> It must have something to do with the fact that they're both SSD's of the same size but from different manufacturers, and that the filesystem is expanded to the boundaries of the source disk. But then again, dd gave no warnings or errors. (i.e.: writing out of bounds, out of space, etc.)
[08:22] <toffo> doing it asap
[08:24] <atal> EriC^^:  Please elaborate I don't understand.
[08:25] <EriC^^> atal: in the script's shebang, use #!/bin/bash -x   (it lets it be very verbose/debug) and when you run the script in that initrd, put the script somewhere else and let the line be /path/to/script > path/to/log 2>&1
[08:26] <EriC^^> so that when it runs it outputs everything it does, then you can debug why it's not working
[08:31] <toffo> EriC^^: https://pastebin.com/PKYD2YNs so there's the destination drive's 'parted -ls' and 'fdisk -l' output
[08:32] <toffo> EriC^^: interesting how 'parted -ls' refuses to co-operate altogether, but I do get at least the structural listing out of 'fdisk -l'
[08:33] <EriC^^> toffo: the disk has 976773168 sectors, sde2 ends at 976781278
[08:34] <EriC^^> toffo: ultimately the source disk was slightly larger than it
[08:34] <toffo> EriC^^: ah. hmm. funny, because even dd usually warns when it's writing out of bounds
[08:35] <toffo> EriC^^: the source drive does have like hundreds of gigabytes of empty space
[08:35] <EriC^^> toffo: see the source drive's sectors
[08:35] <toffo> EriC^^: but of course the main fs is expanded to the drive's size
[08:37] <toffo> EriC^^: dammit, the source indeed was .x1 GiB larger :D
[08:38] <toffo> palm => face
[08:39] <EriC^^> it happens
[08:40] <clarkk> After a couple of days of uptime, my, fairly newly-installed, Ubuntu 20.04 system becomes quite unresponsive, with a few seconds delay when changing windows or doing most things.  Here is the output from "top", sorted by CPU and Mem usage, and also "free". Can anyone spot what's causing it, or what else I need to do to troubleshoot it, please?
[08:41] <EriC^^> toffo: if you have a backup of the source one and still want to dd, you could shrink the fs just a tad, and dd again, and on the destination one you could then make a fresh table pointing to the fs locations, but one that doesnt exceed the disk space, remember to use sync after dd though
[08:41] <clarkk> https://www.dropbox.com/s/yuuy05iwq45cvfi/Selection_253.png?dl=0
[08:41] <clarkk> https://www.dropbox.com/s/th3cf9w7gt5i509/Selection_254.png?dl=0
[08:41] <clarkk> https://www.dropbox.com/s/pb49cldb4cmiy62/Selection_255.png?dl=0
[08:41] <toffo> okay, so, given that the source drive is around half-empty ... What would be my options? https://pastebin.com/PKYD2YNs
[08:42] <toffo> EriC^^: I've updated that url ==^^
[08:43] <toffo> EriC^^: yep, the source drive is working oknp 100%, just wanted to make a "hot-swap(ish)" backup of it now that I got all my junk together
[08:45] <toffo> is it risky to resize a filesystem on an ssd? I've read on dd and its recommended use from StackExchange and God knows how many different *nix forums, every proposed solution is always countered by ten(s of) nay-sayers
[08:46] <EriC^^> i wouldn't resize without a backup if it's important, i mean it's supposed to be safe but ive had some bad encounters especially with ntfs-resize on linux
[08:46] <toffo> kinda lols when the opinions on 'dd' to begin with are split between 'the only thing you'll ever need' and 'grandpa, that was good for the time when you did backups on large magnetic reels'
[08:47] <EriC^^> toffo: if you want to save time copying the data since its mostly empty, you could delete the linux partition on the dest, recreate it to use proper space, format a fresh fs (and pass mkfs.ext4 -U <uuid> here to save time editing fstab) then rsync the files
[08:48] <toffo> EriC^^: yes, that's my other woe, not to bash on extfs, but what I've read, to this day it still has some flaws in it that can become --
[08:48] <toffo> EriC^^: Yes.
[08:48] <EriC^^> if you're using uefi, the PARTUUID of the efi should be the same as your source, so if you ever plug it in, it should look for it and boot the efi file there and all should be good since you're using the same uuid for the root fs
[08:49] <toffo> EriC^^: someone once complained something that even rsync isn't a "failsafe" method when you're cloning a primary Linux partition ?
[08:49] <EriC^^> if you're using msdos/legacy you'd need to chroot and reinstall grub to the mbr, easy to see on the source what you're really using, ls /sys/firmware/efi , if it shows files its uefi
[08:50] <EriC^^> toffo: i dunno how that's possible, rsync copies and runs md5 checks
[08:50] <EriC^^> so beats me, juse make sure to use the proper options with it, it's found on the archwiki i think on backups
[08:50] <toffo> EriC^^: in other words, what I've read of rsync is that some fundamental files can easily be copied in an order where they are not supposed to have been created or smth
[08:54] <OERIAS> this OS/2 program is TUI-based.
[08:54] <toffo> EriC^^: I remember reading a spin-off thread on that from StackExchange or some of these other forums when I was looking into finding the right method to mirror a filesystem
[08:56] <toffo> EriC^^: or, could it have been just for rsyncing live systems...
[08:56] <toffo> (which of course should never be done)
[08:57] <toffo> (at least on that level that is)
[08:57] <EriC^^> toffo: yeah for live systems it makes sense
[08:58] <EriC^^> i dont think for a non running system it would/can mess up the file locations
[09:02] <toffo> gparted does complain about "partition being outside the disk" twice for the target SSD btw ... I'm wondering if I should just "nuke the entire thing from orbit" and i.e. copy the partitions with gparted
[09:02] <toffo> I mean at least the msdos boot one
[09:03] <toffo> the sector size is different between the two as well. other one has 512/512 bytes, other one 512/4096 bytes
[09:04] <EriC^^> the sector difference i think is just that physically its 4096B/sector but it acts as if 512, so it's all good there
[09:05] <toffo> EriC^^: I'm just kinda worried when gparted does warn about a partition being outside the disk _twice_ ...
[09:06] <sub526> I disabled the kernel auto update in my Ubuntu 18.04.5 PC by configuring linux-image-generic in held state.. Is there a way to verify kernel auto update is disabled or not?
[09:07] <EriC^^> yeah, it's not usable as is, or dependable toffo , use rsync as i mentioned above
[09:07] <EriC^^> it's off by about 4M right now missing data from the end of the disk, which might be related to the ext4 fs or who knows, you want the backup to be 100%
[09:09] <toffo> EriC^^: Yes, that's what I'm already in the process of getting ready to do :) I was just wondering if I should i.e. wipe both the fat32+ext4 partitions from the dest. SSD (= make it blank), then recreate the partition tables in gparted for both the system-boot and writable, just to be on the safe side ..
[09:09] <toffo> I might be a bit paranoiac here but when it comes to *nix and filesystems, no amount of caution can be exaggerated too much :D
[09:12] <EriC^^> toffo: ah this is for a rpi or something?
[09:12] <toffo> EriC^^: yes.. I think I mentioned it? RPi4B, Ubuntu 20.10 64bit.
[09:12] <toffo> EriC^^: it has its own quirks
[09:12] <EriC^^> ah, did not see that, i think those use labels to mount stuff 'writable' and 'system-boot' and stuff
[09:13] <EriC^^> yeah exactly :D
[09:13] <toffo> EriC^^: well they would use but I've edited the fstab to use UUID's instead, it's imho a bit of a bad practice in a lot of circumstances to point to drive labels alone
[09:15] <EriC^^> toffo: i'd say leave the system-boot one as is, since it's not wrong, has the same UUID and label, the ext4 one you need i guess to have the 'writable' label on it and when you mkfs the fs use the old UUID there so it stays the same
[09:15] <EriC^^> im not sure if rpi also use the partuuid somehow, maybe you can also set that to the same one when you create the partition for ext4
[09:15] <EriC^^> might as well
[09:16] <toffo> EriC^^: the problem is that since at least the ext4 partition is out of bounds, gparted doesn't want to co-operate unless I wipe the whole drive.
[09:16] <EriC^^> toffo: use gdisk
[09:16] <EriC^^> i mean, fdisk
[09:18] <toffo> EriC^^: ty. one question; if I wipe the drive's partition records and re-run dd for the partition#1 (boot), it will leave the rest of the drive unallocated, right?
[09:19] <toffo> let's say; dd if=/dev/sda1 of=/dev/sdb1 , that should just copy the first partition and leave the rest unallocated?
[09:20] <EriC^^> yeah, but it wont copy the partuuid, only the fs
[09:21] <EriC^^> toffo: the disk identifier is the same for both right now, right?
[09:21] <toffo> EriC^^: yes.
[09:21] <EriC^^> yeah, you want those to be the same so the partuuid is the same
[09:21] <toffo> EriC^^: but I can always just edit the cmdline.txt and /etc/fstab to match the new ones?
[09:21] <toffo> if they get changed, that is
[09:22] <toffo> also, is clonezilla any good for operations like these? I've never used it much
[09:22] <EriC^^> usually for uefi in the motherboard it looks for a partuuid to get the efi, its just that if you want it plug and play without having to add it in case you ever need to use the backup
[09:23] <EriC^^> not sure how rpi boots really, just speaking out of standard uefi
[09:23] <toffo> EriC^^: I've usually just edited the /boot/ or /boot/firmware/cmdline.txt and /etc/fstab to match the UUID's of the drive.
[09:25] <EriC^^> toffo: aha, if you want my advice, leave the disk as is, only delete the 2nd ext4 one, and recreate it in fdisk so it uses the whole space, and doesnt go beyond it
[09:25] <EriC^^> then mkfs a fresh ext4 using the original UUID of the fs from the source, and rsync that sucker over
[09:25] <EriC^^> everything should be pretty identical, partuuid,uuid, files etc
[09:26] <toffo> EriC^^: should I wipe what's in there first with fdisk or such ?
[09:27] <toffo> (and then dd the boot partition, and then create the primary writable with i.e. [g]parted )
[09:27] <EriC^^> no
[09:27] <EriC^^> it wont help, it'll just create extra steps to do to make them identical
[09:28] <EriC^^> toffo: the only fault right now in the partition table is that its saying the 2nd partition ends at sector.... which is outside the disk, remove that partition and create it in a right way, all good
[09:29] <toffo> EriC^^: fdisk already thinks it's all unpartitioned space ...
[09:30] <EriC^^> toffo: type 'sudo fdisk /dev/sde'
[09:31] <toffo> EriC^^: yup, apparently gparted already worked some magic onnit :D
[09:32] <toffo> EriC^^: but it's okay, I mean that boot partition's size is trivial, I just dd that one alone
[09:40] <EriC^^> toffo: alright just make sure the disk identifiers stay the same
[09:40] <EriC^^> and uuid
[09:41] <toffo> EriC^^: apparently if I just try to dd the first partition, it expands to fill the entire drive and disk identifier stays at 0x00000.. etc.
[09:42] <eliyahutbr> guys, my  Ubuntu 20.04.2 LTS decided last night that the bluetooth dongle doesn't exist.
[09:42] <eliyahutbr> any suggestions? I did google before I came here and asked.
[09:43] <toffo> EriC^^: partclone would support ext4 filesystems ... I really dread fdisk tbh.
[09:43] <toffo> eliyahutbr: can you see your dongle with 'lsusb' ?
[09:44] <eliyahutbr> nope. io see two linux foundation root hubs plus other hardware I recognize
[09:44] <eliyahutbr> io = I do
[09:45] <toffo> eliyahutbr: tried switching ports? tried the dongle on another computer?
[09:45] <eliyahutbr> there is no dongle. its part of the laptop. sorry i wasn't clear. I typed what the error message told me.
[09:46] <toffo> eliyahutbr: ah, well that changes things, a dongle is a usb device
[09:46] <eliyahutbr> happy to dump lshw if that would help
[09:47] <eliyahutbr> or grep it for something
[09:47] <toffo> eliyahutbr: or at least that's the common name for a usb stick.. so, yeah, it's a built-in bt
[09:47] <eliyahutbr> (with some help.)
[09:47] <toffo> eliyahutbr: did you run any apt updates before it stopped working ? (i.e. kernel updates , etc.)
[09:48] <eliyahutbr> very possibly. I also click update when asked but the GUI
[09:48] <eliyahutbr> how can I check that in my logs?
[09:48] <toffo> eliyahutbr: pastebin or termbin usually is ok for data dumps
[09:48] <toffo> eliyahutbr: The apt history is in /var/log/apt/history
[09:49] <toffo> eliyahutbr: run 'dmesg' (usually required as 'sudo') also to check for system error messages that might be related
[09:49] <eliyahutbr> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/KGKMYtBQgJ/
[09:50] <toffo> eliyahutbr: sorry, /var/log/apt <= that directory, and there should be the most recent history log as 'history.log' (older ones might be present as gzipped numerical "history.log.x.gz" files
[09:51] <eliyahutbr> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/pXH2nMCVVw/ 'dmesg'
[09:52] <eliyahutbr> Upgrade: libopenexr24:amd64 (2.3.0-6ubuntu0.3, 2.3.0-6ubuntu0.5)
[09:53] <Newb101> Hi, how to reduce the size of a .vdi on ubuntu, I have a .vdi using 70GB but the contents inside is ~30GB, how would I do this ?
[09:54] <eliyahutbr> i suspect Upgrade: libopenexr24:amd64 (2.3.0-6ubuntu0.3, 2.3.0-6ubuntu0.5) is the culprit. Can I 'undo' it?
[09:55] <toffo> eliyahutbr: it should just be the openexr runtime files for the EXR format
[09:56] <toffo> eliyahutbr: kernel updates would make more sense, or if you've recently installed anything wi-fi related for example
[09:57] <toffo> eliyahutbr: if it's a built in bluetooth enumerator in a laptop, it goes to one of those "eternal woes" category, even on windoze side
[09:58] <toffo> eliyahutbr: 'inxi | grep Kernel' says what ?
[10:00] <toffo> eliyahutbr: I doubt tho that the problem would be in the libopenexr, since that's not related to any wireless stuff
[10:01] <eliyahutbr> CPU: Quad Core Intel Core i5-1035G1 (-MT MCP-) speed/min/max: 896/400/3600 MHz Kernel: 5.8.0-48-generic x86_64 Up: 27m
[10:03] <toffo> eliyahutbr: Actually, when I was running to similiar strange issues, i.e. some devices not getting recognized at times etc with one of my x86/64 desktops on 20.04.x LTS, I just finally backed everything up and upgraded the distribution to 20.10. In my case, that helped.
[10:04] <toffo> eliyahutbr: obviously, there's no telling if that might help and if you'd rather stick to a LTS Ubuntu, then obviously that's not an option.
[10:04] <eliyahutbr> i was actually thinking of doing a wipe and reinstall of LTS
[10:05] <eliyahutbr> but maybe an upgrade would fix it quicker
[10:05] <toffo> eliyahutbr: personally, things have worked out way better in all of my Ubuntu installs on the 20.10 in comparison to 20.04.x
[10:05] <eliyahutbr> so whats the command line process?
[10:05] <eliyahutbr> I keep everything backed up all the time
[10:05] <eliyahutbr> (well dailY)
[10:08] <Newb101> what is the smallest ubuntu install I can do
[10:08] <Newb101> ?
[10:08] <toffo> eliyahutbr: first, on your desktop, go to the 'Software Updater', then, once it's done checking for updates, "Settings" change the "Notify me of a new Ubuntu version:" to "For any version", close
[10:08] <toffo> eliyahutbr: refresh, and it should notify you of 20.10 being out
[10:08] <Newb101> i just want the bare minimum, in terms of MB / GB?
[10:12] <toffo> Newb101: no window manager etc? ubuntu server probably
[10:14] <Newb101> with a window manager, seems like the standard ubuntu comes in at 8GB?
[10:14] <Newb101> anything below the 4 GB mark ?
[10:14] <Newb101> the lower the better
[10:16] <toffo> Newb101: lubuntu or xubuntu are the lightest as for having a window manager
[10:17] <toffo> Newb101: https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/20.10/release/ the ISO file is ~1.8GB
[10:18] <Newb101> thanks
[10:18] <eliyahutbr> well toffo, i'm upgrading. i'll come back on the flip side and let you know what happened.
[10:18] <eliyahutbr> thanks
[10:18] <toffo> Newb101: lubuntu and xubuntu are very light weight since those are probably the two ones, in addition to Ubuntu MATE, that you'd want to run on i.e. a SBC (Raspberry Pi, etc..)
[10:19] <Newb101> thanks
[10:19] <toffo> Newb101: Ubuntu MATE does expand to minimum 8GB as for the space requirements, though.
[10:20] <toffo> eliyahutbr: np and good luck. hope it gets sorted out!
[10:20] <Newb101> on a seperate question, how would I migrate an anbox installation from ubnutu 20.04 stock to Lubuntu, which files would I need to copy across?
[10:21] <Newb101> it's a snap
[10:22] <maret> hi I am thinking about reducing 5% reserved blocks for 14TB drive which I use to store a data. AFAIK default is 5%  I was thinking to lowering it to something small like 0.1 which is still  14 GB, although seems that could be too small for a large drive and I worry if fragmentation or fsck won't have enough space
[10:32] <Newb101> how do I migrate a snap from one installation to another with all of it's configuation
[10:32] <Newb101> ?
[10:33] <Newb101> e.g. ubuntu stock 20.04 to Lubuntu 20.04
[10:45] <mihael> I have this socket which I need to forward locally. However, the user for the remove need to run sudo or root to acces the socket. How do I do that?
[10:46] <mihael> e.g. `ssh -L /home/john/bird.sock:/var/run/bird.ctl john@10.129.2.2`, how do I access root on a ubuntu machine or at least run `sudo sus` before socket forwarding?
[11:19] <clarkk> I've written a script to output "top" to a file. See the script at https://termbin.com/153f  When I run it, the processes, tracker-store and tracker-miner-f, show very high CPU usage. See the "top" output at https://termbin.com/usvs However, when I run the same "top" command, 'top -o "%CPU" -b -n 1 | grep tracker > tracker.txt' from the terminal, the processes' usage is low or zero.  What could be the difference between these two executions that
[11:19] <clarkk> could cause processes to behave differently?
[12:03] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[12:08] <dslegends> Morning!!! (Sorry, Jacked up on Caffeine, and the sun is out; happy vibes).
[12:40] <ignorand> I have a directory which I want 'shared' multiple times, but in some kind of layered way. I have a master copy, and I want something like a new directory where if the file exists in the master copy you have a ln -s, files that get overwritten need to no longer be a ln -s, but a new file
[12:41] <ignorand> The closest thing I can imagine it being close to is something like a wordpress uploads folder where you want the production uploads folder on the dev/uat env. If someone uploads a file in the dev env, it shouldnt be added to the production upload.
[12:41] <ignorand> I suppose a cp -r is the easiest with the tradeoffs being space and 'up to date-ness'
[12:42] <ignorand> you wouldnt want to rsync it since it will overwrite modified files in the dev env
[12:46] <tomreyn> hard links rather than soft links sound like they'd provide what you discussed in the first part.
[12:47] <tomreyn> sorry, that made no sense. i mean: what you discussed in the first part sounds like it can be solved by hard links rather than soft links.
[12:48] <ignorand> tomreyn, I think I'm just being difficult. I should just cp -r everything and if it needs updating, I rm -Rf and cp -r again
[12:49] <ignorand> tomreyn, Iw as thinking of something like a docker system where you have a docker image. When you do a add/modify/delete a file to the container, it stays in the container. the next instance of the same image will still have the master copy.
[12:50] <clarkk> I'm running Ubuntu 20.04.  When I press the windows key and search for an app, activities appear on my main monitor, and the search box and results to my search appear on my second monitor. How do I make both stay on my first monitor?
[12:51] <tomreyn> ignorand: maybe an overlay filesystem would help, too. i think i'm not awake enough to understand the full picture. but if you have a simple solution, as you just discussed, you might as well work with that for now.
[12:51] <clarkk> If I press the "show applications" button in the task bar, it works as expected, with everything on my main monitor
[12:52] <ignorand> tomreyn, sorry, got disconnected
[12:52] <ignorand> tomreyn, I was thinking of something like a docker system where you have a docker image. When you do a add/modify/delete a file to the container, it stays in the container. the next instance of the same image will still have the master copy.
 ignorand: maybe an overlay filesystem would help, too. i think i'm not awake enough to understand the full picture. but if you have a simple solution, as you just discussed, you might as well work with that for now.
[12:55] <ignorand> tomreyn, an overlay filesystem is what I would essentially want yes.
[13:02] <tomreyn> ignorand: https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/filesystems/overlayfs.html https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Overlay_filesystem
[13:06] <ignorand> tomreyn, thanks
[13:07] <ignorand> gonna try it
[13:07] <cousteau_> Hi!  When I boot with the laptop lid down and a large HDMI screen plugged in, the login screen (lightdm I think) displays a very small resolution (1280x1024), which is less than the full "display" resolution of 1920x1080, so I only see a fraction of the login screen.  Is there a way to set the default resolution for lightdm per screen?  Or how is this resolution chosen?
[13:08] <cousteau_> I would like to set the default monitor resolution to 1920x1080 so that it matches the "display" resolution and I can see the whole thing on the screen, and it looks less stretched
[13:09] <cousteau_> (after I log in, the display settings kick in and I get my 3440x1440 resolution working on the display; but that doesn't happen on the login screen)
[13:10] <Maik> (lightdm I think) ---> depends on what version and flavour of Ubuntu you use cousteau_
[13:16] <pizzaburger> Hello! Is there a way to export default Ubuntu Calendar (3.38.1) events? Running Ubuntu 20.10. Thanks!
[13:17] <pizzaburger> Syncing with online accounts is not an option.
[13:19] <tomreyn> probably using evolution, you could https://help.gnome.org/users/evolution/stable/exporting-data-calendar.html.en
[13:22] <tomreyn> pizzaburger: does not seem to be implemented for (gnome) calendar itself: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-calendar/-/issues/31
[13:23] <pizzaburger> tomreyn: alright, thanks! Gonna go look for a calendar which does have this function. Or back to ye old pen & paper one I guess
[13:24] <tomreyn> pizzaburger: also https://askubuntu.com/questions/1123603/how-to-export-a-calendar-from-gnome-calendar-to-a-file
[13:26] <pizzaburger> tomreyn: awesome, thanks for the help!
[13:28] <tomreyn> you're welcome, pizzaburger
[13:28] <clarkk> on ubuntu 20.04, how do I ensure that the dash only appears on my primary monitor? Currently, I'm seeing half of it on my primary monitor, and half on my secondary monitor.
[13:29] <clarkk> I've already configured the settings, 'org.gnome.shell.extensions.dash-to-dock multi-monitor false' and 'org.gnome.shell.extensions.dash-to-dock preferred-monitor -1'
[13:31] <pizzaburger> clarkk: Settings - Apperance - Dock. There's a "Show on" drop-down list to select which monitor you want it to appear on
[13:34] <cousteau_> Maik: well, it's Xubuntu 18.04 and I'm pretty sure it's lightdm
[13:34] <cousteau_> (or that's what Google suggests.  lightdm is installed, that's for sure)
[13:35] <clarkk> pizzaburger, that doesn't seem to do anything. Do I need to reboot for it to take affect?
[13:37] <Maik> cousteau_: yep, lightdm, and why  xubuntu18.04? It goes EOL this month.
[13:38] <Ark74> you mean, 16.04?
[13:39] <Maik> Ark74: no
[13:40] <Maik> all other Ubuntu LTS Flavours are only supported for 3 years
[13:41] <clarkk> pizzaburger, forget that. thanks for your help
[13:41] <cousteau_> Maik: yikes, didn't it have 5 year support?
[13:41] <cousteau_> anyway, because I installed it in 2018 and I'm lazy with updates, that's why
[13:42] <eliocamp> 18.04 should be supported up to 2023: https://ubuntu.com/about/release-cycle
[13:42] <tomreyn> not xubuntu 18.04, though
[13:43] <eliocamp> But it will only receive Maintenance updates from this year forwards.
[13:43] <Maik> cousteau_: nope: "Supported LTS release: 18.04, Bionic Beaver The 18.04 release, codenamed Bionic Beaver, is a Long Term Support release and has support for 3 years, until April 2021." https://xubuntu.org/download/
[13:43] <cousteau_> anyway, lightdm not being part of xubuntu specifically, I'd expect it to continue being supported.  I'm not quite sure what it means for xubuntu support to end while the rest of ubuntu continues being supported, honestly
[13:44] <Maik> eliocamp: main ubuntu yes, other flavours not
[13:45] <eliocamp> Don't they receive basically the same maintenance updates that mainline ubuntu, though? Security patchs and all that stuff?
[13:45] <remline> I was trying to understand the support periods, too. I believe it simply means, "base" packages are supported for 5 years, and "extended" packages are often supported for only 3 years.
[13:45] <cousteau_> anyway, how would I fix this?  (I understand that if the easiest solution is "just upgrade to a newer version; that bug was fixed ages ago" then interest in fixing this will be low, but I don't think that's the case)
[13:45] <tomreyn> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOL#Ubuntu_18.04_Bionic_Beaver https://xubuntu.org/release/18-04/ "End of Life: April 29, 2021"
[13:47] <tomreyn> eliocamp, remline: the specific packages needed to make a flavor differ, are usually community supported, in the 'universe', not 'main' pocket, so different policies apply to them in terms of security updates.
[13:48] <eliocamp> Thanks, I didn't know that. I guess that'd be another reason to prefer main ubuntu over flavours.
[13:49] <tomreyn> apt policy SOMEPACKAGE    lets you check the pocket a package belings to
[13:49] <remline> tomreyn: As a consequence, a package like xfce4-terminal would be supported for only 3 years whether you installed Ubuntu, Xubuntu, or Kubuntu, correct?
[13:49] <Maik> eliocamp: in the past main Ubuntu LTS was also only 3 years supported, they changed it to 5 years.
[13:50] <Maik> and the interim releases went from 18 months to 9 months of support
[13:50] <cousteau_> The documentation at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LightDM doesn't seem to apply to my version.  It's funny how it says "oh btw, from versions 15.10 onwards this changes", and then goes on showing how it's done in 15.04 and earlier >:(
[13:51] <remline> cousteau_: Unfortunately, the ubuntu wiki can be pretty out of date. You might need to reference other sources.
[13:52]  * cousteau_ wished this documentation was kept as much up to date as he is expected to keep his machine up to date
[13:52] <tomreyn> remline: it would receive community support during the full lifespan. though community support basically means self-support, unless the security team or the flavor operators get around to provide updates. which, more of then than not, they do.
[13:52] <cousteau_> remline: that's the problem; all sources I've found seem to apply to an older lightdm
[13:53] <tomreyn> remline: but when flavors state their supprt lifetime, they also state they'll provide support for packages during this lifetime.
[13:53] <cousteau_> they all refer to a /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf I don't have, specifically to a line I can't find in any /etc/lightdm/*
[13:56] <kryten> cousteau_: I'd try to set the desired resolution through the xorg config rather than through the lightdm one though.
[13:56] <remline> cousteau_: Which line are you referring to?
[14:00] <cousteau_> Good news is I found /usr/share/doc/lightdm/lightdm.conf.gz which clarifies the thing about [Seat:*] (specifically, (1) it still exists, and (2) yes, you're supposed to type a literal asterisk)
[14:03] <cousteau_> remline: the one that would say something about display-setup-script=... (that's what the tutorials I found told me to change.  Not the Ubuntu wiki though; couldn't find that listed there)
[14:04] <cousteau_> kryten: any reason why?  I'm having trouble figuring out what happened to my xorg.conf too (I'm using the Nvidia drivers, because there's no reason for things to be easy)
[14:05] <cousteau_> in any case, `xrandr --output HDMI-1-1 --preferred` seems to default to 3440x1440, so I have no idea why lightdm would choose 1280x1024
[14:08] <cousteau> hm, https://itectec.com/ubuntu/ubuntu-how-to-adjust-display-settings-for-lightdm-greeter-on-18-04/ seems to address my specific version (I googled for 1280x1024 to see if that was the default for some obscure reason, and somehow landed on that page)
[14:09] <cousteau> (btw in case you're wondering, cousteau is on the X session where I can copy-paste stuff and cousteau_ is on irssi on a tty which is very limited but which I won't have to kill whenever I logout and back in)
[14:15] <unixbsd> is there a little lite UBUNTU for Raspberry pi Rpi 3, model B ?
[14:16] <kryten> cousteau_: Cause I feel like making the display manager run some script on its startup is kind of a hack..
[14:17] <cousteau_> unixbsd: I know it typically uses something called Raspbian, which is Debian-based and not Ubuntu-based but it's pretty much the same.  But I bet you can install Lubuntu, or Xubuntu, or maybe even Ubuntu on it
[14:17] <unixbsd> ah I look ubuntu + ufs2 type on kernel for the PI...
[14:17] <unixbsd> (ufs.ko).
[14:18] <ogra> unixbsd, https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/how-to-install-ubuntu-server-on-your-raspberry-pi/14660
[14:18] <cousteau_> kryten: so is modifying the global system-wide X config only because lightdm does whatever it wants while other environments work fine.  Ideally the solution would be to make lightdm set the resolution directly, but there doesn't seem to be such an option
[14:20] <cousteau_> unixbsd: ...well, Lubuntu/Xubuntu/Ubuntu for ARM (or AArch64, not sure)
[14:20] <unixbsd> I am downloading. I am curious abiout this kernel inside
[14:20] <cousteau_> ok this trick didn't seem to work.  Gonna reboot to see if I needed to reboot for it to work
[14:21] <ogra> unixbsd, should be something 5.4ish
[14:21] <unixbsd> I get this:  https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/20.04.2/release/ubuntu-20.04.2-preinstalled-server-arm64+raspi.img.xz
[14:22] <unixbsd> oh, by the way, I made a ubuntu-live with uefi/ and legacy, including virtualbox. It allows to backup / clone / install Windows 10. If you want, let me know.
[14:24] <ogra> unixbsd, if kernel age is your concern i'd go with the 20.10 one ...
[14:24] <ogra> (beyond that 20.04.2 should indeed be fine too)
[14:24] <unixbsd> ok, xzcat ... we will see it.
[14:24] <tomreyn> you can get the same kernel version in 20.04 LTS
[14:26] <cousteau> yay it worked!  Turns out I needed to reboot AND add `display-setup-script=` before I wrote the command (I forgot to add that part to the line, whoops)
[14:27] <cousteau> but yeah, creating a /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf.d/99-hdmi-resolution.conf file containing   [Seat:*] display-setup-script=xrandr --output HDMI-1-1 --mode 1920x1080   did the trick.
[14:27] <cousteau> (hacky, I know, but hey, at least it worked)
[14:27] <kryten> Just restarting the lightdm service would have been enough though.
[14:28] <kryten> And yeah, I think it's sufficiently proper for what you got.
[14:33] <unixbsd> good it is a kernel 5.4.x
[14:37] <unixbsd> wow
[14:37] <unixbsd> ufs.ko is in there!!
[14:37] <unixbsd> that means that I can use it to copy my freebsd a5 harddisk to use it !!!
[14:40] <unixbsd> I made a copy of the kernel, I can install it with debootstrap methode. I prefer to install by hand ubuntu: https://gitlab.com/openbsd98324/ubuntu-raspberry/-/tree/master/releases/v1
[14:40] <OEIRAS> does anyone have an idea why ubuntu keeps messing external hd drives formatted as NTFS?
[14:41] <OEIRAS> it is so g-d annoying
[14:41] <OEIRAS> even floppy disks are more reliable
[14:41] <unixbsd> it is likely fuse and autofs, including ntfs-3g of fuse ntfs
[14:41] <unixbsd> you can delete purge autofs processeses...
[14:41] <leftyfb> OEIRAS: do you also have Windows 10 on this machine?
[14:42] <OEIRAS> should I remove ntfs-3g and reinstall it?
[14:42] <OEIRAS> yes I have Windows 10
[14:42] <OEIRAS> but that is not relevant
[14:42] <leftyfb> OEIRAS: https://help.uaudio.com/hc/en-us/articles/213195423-How-To-Disable-Fast-Startup-in-Windows-10#:~:text=To%20disable%20Fast%20Startup%2C%20press,the%20column%20on%20the%20left.
[14:42] <OEIRAS> I have not booted windows on this machine in over a week
[14:42] <leftyfb> OEIRAS: define "messing up"
[14:42] <OEIRAS> I just recently formatted this HD
[14:43] <OEIRAS> leftyfb, corrupting file system to the point that is it not recognisable
[14:43] <leftyfb> OEIRAS: did you disable fast boot on Windows?
[14:43] <OEIRAS> I have not used this drive in Windows...
[14:43] <OEIRAS> I just formatted yesterday.
[14:44] <OEIRAS> I haven't booted Windows in over 2 weeks
[14:44] <OEIRAS> Windows has not touched this drive.
[14:49] <unixbsd> keep  ntfs - 3g
[14:49] <unixbsd> the automountfs or autofs handle to autmoumnt your system.
[14:49] <unixbsd> If you want to make your own ubuntu, by hands, I can teach you.
[14:56] <unixbsd> OEIRAS: I just created a barebone ubuntu without automatic tools, with light footprint desktop, if you want this lite ubuntu let me know.
[15:03] <Samian> hi
[15:03] <Samian> Is there a GUI for adjusting mouse movement sensitivity?
[15:04] <unixbsd> in KDE, surely.
[15:05] <Samian> is KDE a program I can install?
[15:06] <unixbsd> KDE is a desktop of KUBUNTU
[15:06] <BluesKaj> !kde | Samian
[15:06] <unixbsd> see download KUBUNTU under downloads, e..g for groovy kubuntu
[15:06] <unixbsd> or apt-get install kde-standard
[15:07] <unixbsd> man,. ubuntu for raspberry is ultra slow, guys.
[15:07] <BluesKaj> no kidding :-)
[15:08] <cousteau> Samian: I think if you type "mouse" on the ubuntu menu you'll get the mouse and touchpad settings
[15:08] <cousteau> where you can set these things, I think
[15:09] <Samian> cousteau,  thanks! Yes I see it now
[15:09] <unixbsd> bttom left, Start, you get a popup and search mouse.
[15:09] <cousteau> for xfce it's xfce4-mouse-settings
[15:09] <Samian> I started a new job. They use linux. I'm learning it as I learn all the job specific stuff. It's a living hell learning both at the same time
[15:09] <cousteau> for gnome it's probably gnome-mouse-settings or similar
[15:09] <unixbsd> wow, really?? In which field this company? they are high tech
[15:11] <cousteau> I think many tech companies end up using linux on some servers, but so far all the ones I've worked for used windows on the employees' personal laptops, and linux on shared workstations or servers
[15:11] <unixbsd> nice.
[15:11] <unixbsd> servers indeed, but desktop would be nicer target
[15:12] <ogra> unixbsd, what do you mena by ultraslow ...
[15:12] <unixbsd> the problem is that the ubuntu desktop is big bloat, they need to work on performances and cut down all snaps and stuffs, that slow down likee a beast the desktop
[15:12] <ogra> (booting, execution of binaries ?)
[15:13]  * ogra only uses ubuntu core on pi's and thats definitely not slow in any way ... 
[15:13] <ogra> i can imagine the desktop install to be a bit slower though ... but it is HW accelerated so should not be *too slow*
[15:14] <leftyfb> unixbsd: my entire team of 15 uses Ubuntu on their workstations exclusively. My laptop runs just fine. Feel free to rant about "linux bloat" in #bsd
[15:18] <unixbsd> leftyfb: Linux by itself (##linux)  is very performant. Performances are as good or even superior as FreeBSD. Linux kernel has outstanding performances.
[15:30] <unixbsd> ogra: do you use a PI 4 ?
[15:31] <ogra> i use them from 2 to 4
[15:32] <unixbsd> On rpi 3, my impresssion is that raspios is faster.
[15:34] <unixbsd> I installed focal with debootstrap and using the focal 5.x kernel. I will see if it runs a bit faster, with a cut down. maybe kernel takes more than raspios.
[15:36] <Samian> hi
[15:37] <ogra> unixbsd, you run desktop on a pi3 ?
[15:38] <ogra> that will just swap like crazy !
[15:39] <Samian> My computer is stuck on this screen: https://imgur.com/a/sshgqw5
[15:39] <Samian> can anyone please help me?
[15:39] <ogra> desktop (20.10 though) is bearable on pi4 and pi400 ... i'd really not use it on anything with less than 4G
[15:39] <Samian> all I did was follow these instructions: https://askubuntu.com/questions/76081/brightness-not-working-after-installing-nvidia-driver
[15:40] <Samian> the answer with 51 votes. it states sudo gedit /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/10-nvidia-brightness.conf
[15:41] <Samian> I paste what it states to paste into the file, and I reboot.   And it doesn't boot anymore! It's stuck on the splash screen!
[15:41] <Samian> I AM HAVING A HORRIBLE LINUX EXPERIENCE
[15:41] <unixbsd> ogra: yeah, I run a raspberry pi 3, model b. I am using the default ubuntu desktop SD mmc, version, to make a faster one.... working on the debootstrap. Hopefully It can run faster. no idea, yet.
[15:42] <ogra> not with the default gnome desktop ... use mate 😉
[15:44] <unixbsd> ogra:  thanks mate!    (for "mate", the 2eur joke)
[15:44] <ogra> heh
[15:45] <de-facto> i have no idea what goes wrong with your setup there Samian but maybe you can press "e" on the grub boot menu and remove the "quiet splash" maybe that might give more info (log)?
[15:45] <unixbsd> for grub, if it works you can do it by hand:
[15:45] <unixbsd>   set root=(hd0,msdos1)
[15:46] <unixbsd>   linux /boot/vmlinuz-.....  root=/dev/sda1  rw
[15:46] <unixbsd>   initrd /boot/initrd-....
[15:46] <unixbsd> boot
[15:47] <Samian> i'm tapping e as my computer boots
[15:47] <Samian> no good
[15:48] <Samian> i'll try holding down e
[15:48] <Samian> nope no good
[15:48] <unixbsd> type C for command line.
[15:49] <johnfg> hi folks!
[15:49] <OEIRAS> unixbsd, this ubuntu distro is as vanilla as it gets
[15:50] <johnfg> I just installed the latest version of texlive-2021.  All went well, and I edited my .bash_profile to reflect the new locations.
[15:51] <johnfg> However, even though .bash_profile doesn't have the old locating for the binaries and such any more, it still shows when I do echo $PATH, and some of the programs are still looking at the old location.
[15:51] <johnfg> Is there somewhere else that is saving/caching my $PATH?
[15:55] <remline> johnfg: You might check ~/.bash_login, ~/.profile, and /etc/profile
[15:56] <remline> johnfg: Oh, and perhaps ~/.bashrc
[15:59] <johnfg> remline: Most of that I've done, but thanks for the suggestions.
[16:00] <remline> johnfg: The other thing is, you might need to reboot to get a fresh login shell.
[16:03] <johnfg> Ok, things are coming back to me a bit about this problem.  But I think it was on a debian machine, not a ubuntu.
[16:04] <johnfg> At tty3, all is good.  PATH set, the correct programs run, etc.
[16:04] <johnfg> But not on the desktop.  where does that stuff get stored for the desktop?
[16:04] <Samian> can't I access the root from grub?
[16:05] <Samian> that way I can delete the file I created?
[16:05] <Samian> I followed this https://askubuntu.com/questions/76081/brightness-not-working-after-installing-nvidia-driver
[16:05] <Samian> to create the file 10-nvidia-brightness.conf
[16:05] <Samian> now I want to delete the file
[16:07] <Samian> now I'm here
[16:07] <Samian> https://imgur.com/a/xaySrSr
[16:07] <Samian> but I'm not seeing the root I saw when logged in! The root directory had a bunch of folders
[16:25] <zutat> good evening. where can i make manual overrides to xorg configuration on 20.04?
[16:28] <pgloor> @Samian try cd /
[17:17] <Luyin> hey there! so I have a 16.04 here trying to get it to full-disk encryption (at least, full / encrypted with an unencrypted /boot) with LUKS on systemd-boot. UEFI is activated in the BIOS, the proper config is loaded from systemd-boot at bootup, but then I get this error: https://paste.xinu.at/m-0oE/ it looks like systemd-boot doesn't recognise that it should find /dev/sda2, which contains the
[17:17] <Luyin> encyrpted /, and therefore doesn't ask me for the LUKS passphrase.
[17:20] <coffee> hi everyone, I was wondering if firewalld is stable enough on ubuntu ?
[17:25] <unixbsd> ogra:  Ok, It confirms it. the default ubuntu for raspberry is slower than the debootstrap installation. !! I copied the kernel and modules, and cut down the instlaltion. My own ubuntu (on focal) is way faster. no idea what slows down ubuntu defualt.
[17:27] <unixbsd> ogra: do you want my version for the raspberry pi ?
[17:39] <tomreyn> Luyin: 16.04 is almost ouf of support, consider a newer release
[17:45] <tomreyn> Luyin: also, i souldn't necessariyl expect systemd-boot in 16.04 to be stable - it's still a somewhat early systemd version
[17:53] <sarnold> Peng: good idea, thanks :)
[18:05] <ogra> unixbsd, as i said, i dont use normal ubuntu, only ubuntu-core (i.e. for https://people.canonical.com/~ogra/UC20/pi-mediacenter-appliance/) so i could not really comapre ... i fifnshed my easer work though ;) ... https://snapcraft.io/vdr-server
[18:05] <ogra> *easter
[18:08] <Luyin> ok, I'll just install 20.04
[19:06] <Samian> anyone know how to change the MTU size so my vpn doesn't constantly disconnect and reconnect?
[19:09] <tomreyn> Samian: your ubuntu reease? is this a desktop, server or other installation?
[19:09] <Samian> desktop
[19:09] <tomreyn> which type of vpn?
[19:09] <Samian> Ubuntu 20.04.2 LTS
[19:11] <tomreyn> Samian: thanks, you answered two of three questions so far.
[19:12] <Samian> whoops sorry about that. I'm using Cisco Anyconnect Secure Mobility Client
[19:12] <tomreyn> not supported here, sorry.
[19:12] <tomreyn> you can try whether you can make it work with openconnect.
[19:13] <Samian> I read that MTU size can be the reason the computer constantly disconnects / reconnects to the vpn
[19:13] <Samian> so, would lowering or increasing the MTU size fix it?
[19:15] <tomreyn> that could be one (of many possible) reasons. generating and reading logs can help understanding why software does not work as expected. but, again, this software isn't part of ubuntu, thus not supported here.
[19:15] <cbreak> Samian: change your VPN config
[19:16] <cbreak> chances are your internet uplink MTU is 1500 or so, maybe slightly less
[19:16] <cbreak> so chose your VPN mtu small enough such that the VPN headers fit into those packets
[19:17] <Samian> I'm trying to figure out how to configure Cisco Anyconnect
[19:19] <Samian> mann.. do I have to go through this? https://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/support/docs/security/anyconnect-secure-mobility-client/214612-configure-anyconnect-secure-mobility-cli.html
[19:20] <Samian> well no, I don't think that's relevant
[19:20] <tomreyn> !ot
[19:22] <Samian> ok, yeah I guess it's not an ubuntu issue.
[19:22] <Samian> I had asked about adjusting mtu size on ubuntu. THat's all
[19:23] <tomreyn> for network-manager managed connections (this one probably isn't), you can do so through the GUI, on the connections' "identity" tab.
[19:27] <cbreak> Samian: it is unlikely that you can increase the MTU of your internet provider
[19:27] <cbreak> so you're probably bound by your current MTU (which I assume is 1500)
[19:28] <cbreak> `ip link` should show your current interfaces' MTUs
[19:38] <VMGuy23> https://pastebin.com/raw/yWaXj1xD
[19:39] <KOLANICH> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtdeclarative-opensource-src-gles/+bug/1922587
[19:41] <VMGuy23> i am literally stuck with Windows, Ubuntu emergency mode (with no internet) and Mint install CD. I'm in the Mint install CD. Any help? (problem above)
[19:41] <sarnold> VMGuy23: try adding init=/bin/bash or init=/usr/bin/bash to your kernel command line in grub, that'll get you to a shell very quickly
[19:42] <VMGuy23> sarnold: I can already get to a shell, using root password
[19:42] <VMGuy23> I did update-grub from that shell.
[19:43] <cbreak> VMGuy23: you'd have to do an update-grub from the ubuntu though
[19:43] <VMGuy23> That's what I did
[19:44] <cbreak> I think the installer does that via chroot
[19:44] <VMGuy23> update-grub from the Mint install chrooted fails, from Ubuntu emergency mode it succeeds
[19:46] <VMGuy23> I think it's where the automount config is. I have changed fstab though.
[19:51] <blahboybaz> Can a windows 10 license key be recoverd via an ubuntu installation - an embedded license key?
[19:52] <VMGuy23> blahboybaz: I'm not sure. Have you tried searching for it?
[19:52] <blahboybaz> I got a new laptop and I don't want to endure going through the initial windoze setup process (want it gone). I'd prefer to just boot up my ubunut installer of nix that suckah (pun intended)
[19:54] <blahboybaz> VMGuy23: Not sure how, as indicated  I need to install ubuntu on the new lappy but don't want to lose the license key in case I need it in the future. It resides in bios and can be obtained using windoze but I don't want to endure the windoze setup (just want to go straight for my beloved ubu).
[19:55] <cbreak> https://tuxinit.com/recover-windows-license-key-linux/
[19:55] <blahboybaz> Now, thinking about it, I'm also wondering if it would cause some problem to not go through the setup (eg: having the windoze installer popping up all the time.
[19:55] <blahboybaz> cbreak: thx I'll see that
[19:55] <cbreak> https://duckduckgo.com/?kl=wt-wt&kae=d&q=recover+windows+license+key+from+efi+from+linux&ia=web // more
[19:57] <KOLANICH> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/colord/+bug/1922589
[19:57] <VMGuy23> blahboybaz: Windows is already on the drive. Installing Ubuntu to overwrite it will remove Windows and the setup screen.
[19:59] <blahboybaz> VMGuy23: Well glory halleluljah! Lets gut that sucker!!  :p
[20:00] <VMGuy23> I dual-boot Windows-Ubuntu so I can still use MS Office and some Windows things, but I spend a lot of time on Ubuntu
[20:01] <tomreyn> KOLANICH: do you have an ubuntu support question (i only see you posting urls)?
[20:02] <KOLANICH> tomreyn: not quite, just found at least 2 important bugs in hirsute
[20:02] <tomreyn> !hirsute | KOLANICH
[20:03] <tomreyn> for QA there's #ubuntu-quality
[20:04] <blahboybaz> Are there any suggestions for bios settings (things that ought to be set a certain way when running ubuntu 20.04)? It's uefi bios I think.
[20:04] <KOLANICH> tomreyn: thanks, forwarded the URIs there
[20:04] <VMGuy23> blahboybaz: I haven't changed anything. Nothing is neccecary.
[20:04] <blahboybaz> VMGuy23: Haven't missed it at all in nearly 12 years now
[20:05] <blahboybaz> VMGuy23: right on, thx
[20:06] <VMGuy23> https://pastebin.com/raw/yWaXj1xD
[20:07] <cbreak> blahboybaz: you can disable CSM if you want faster booting with efi-only mode
[20:07] <blahboybaz> I still can't get the sound of that guys voice out of my head from so many years back (like 20 years ago now), standing in line at the video store, and he was telling me about linux and how I outght to try it - that it was better. I was arrogant and acted smart toward him and didn't try it for another almost 10 years. Wish I would have listened sooner
[20:07] <blahboybaz> what does csm stand for?
[20:08] <cbreak> compatibility support module
[20:08] <cbreak> I think... :)
[20:08] <blahboybaz> Compatibility Support Module
[20:08] <blahboybaz> yep
[20:08] <blahboybaz> right on
[20:09] <cbreak> (I wouldn't enable actual fast boot mode though, even if your firmware allows it, that thing seems win specific)
[20:09] <VMGuy23> I started off with Raspbian on the first PC of my own (it was a Pi 3B+) then got a Pi 4. I decided to get GNOME on it (5FPS) and loved my laptop, even before Ubuntu.
[20:09] <cbreak> blahboybaz: you should have switched to Mac OS.
[20:09] <cbreak> much easier to get used to linux on it than windows
[20:09] <VMGuy23> ...and now I can't use Ubuntu anymore.
[20:09] <tomreyn> VMGuy23: please *always* answer this question firstt when asking for support here: which ubuntu release is it? also, for this issue: did booting this system ever work? if so, what changed between when it worked and now?
[20:10] <VMGuy23> tomreyn: 20.10 and it broke when I copied my drive over to a new one, new drive can't boot, use Acronis to clone.
[20:11] <VMGuy23> GRUB config was changed to allow GRUB to work
[20:11] <VMGuy23> but Ubuntu does emergency mode
[20:11] <cbreak> efi or bios mode?
[20:11] <VMGuy23> EFI
[20:12] <VMGuy23> It can't find my EFI partition because the UUID changed
[20:12] <tomreyn> VMGuy23: i'm not familioar with how the software you used creates disk images, can't help then.
[20:12] <tomreyn> you could update the uuid then, i guess
[20:13] <tomreyn> or change it to be what grub expects if you d9onht end up with dupes that way
[20:13] <VMGuy23> I dont have dupes
[20:13] <cbreak> VMGuy23: efibootmgr can change the entries in the efi settings to point to the right efi partition / bootloader
[20:14] <tomreyn> "d9onht" -> "don't", sorry
[20:14] <VMGuy23> cbreak: 1. can I do it from a live CD and 2. how do I do it?
[20:14] <cbreak> probably you can, if it's installed
[20:14] <cbreak> it has a man page
[20:14] <cbreak> but it's annoying to use...
[20:15] <cbreak> I always have to read up on it every time I try to fix my hackintosh :)
[20:15] <cbreak> (never had to do it with grub, but it should work too)
[20:15] <cbreak> but this will basically solve problems finding the efi partition by efi itself
[20:15] <cbreak> once grub has entered, it won't change anything
[20:15] <VMGuy23> It gets past GRUB.
[20:16] <cbreak> by the time grub has been entered, your efi partition has obviously been found
[20:16] <cbreak> (at least enough to find grub on it and run it)
[20:16] <cbreak> and grub then gets to decide what to do next
[20:16] <VMGuy23> GRUB can boot Windows, it's Ubuntu that can't mount the partitions.
[20:16] <VMGuy23> My Windows automount fails too.
[20:17] <VMGuy23> I just can't find where the config is.
[20:17] <mbeierl> Got a question for repeatable builds.  If I put apt install package=version into my docker file, but then Ubuntu doesn't ship that version anymore (let's use curl as an example, I was using 7.58.0-2ubuntu3.12, but now only 7.58.0-2ubuntu3.13 is available in the mirrors), how do I get my older, pinned version?)
[20:17] <mbeierl> Will I need my own mirror?
[20:17] <cbreak> mbeierl: you want to keep buggy versions with security holes?
[20:17] <cbreak> I'd say you would want your own mirror, yes
[20:17] <sarnold> mbeierl: if you really need the insecure version you can find it on http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/
[20:18] <mbeierl> cbreak, it's for a repeatable build system.  Say I lost version 2020 of MyProject from last year and I want to recreate it *exactly* as it was...
[20:18] <cbreak> restore it from backups
[20:19] <cbreak> (back up all the dependencies with it)
[20:19] <mbeierl> sarnold, that's the original media for installation, not quite what I was thinking of, thanks, though
[20:19] <sarnold> mbeierl: look again
[20:19] <mbeierl> cbreak, it's a docker build, say it got deleted off dockerhub
[20:19] <cbreak> make your own docker hub
[20:20] <mbeierl> ok, that's just getting silly
[20:20] <cbreak> having your own docker hub?
[20:21] <mbeierl> I'm asking for ideas on repeatable builds
[20:21] <blahboybaz> VMGuy23: So you have to have a win installation in order to use live365? Just curious
[20:21] <mbeierl> I used the loss of the image as one example
[20:21] <mbeierl> So in the dockerfiles, I had wanted to pin the specific versions of all apt packages, but that breaks on a regular basis due to security fixes
[20:22] <VMGuy23> blahboybaz: Also some gaming, but I kind of just need Windows for some things.
[20:22] <mbeierl> Which is a good thing, but I'd like to have it be predictable, so I can choose when to upgrade
[20:22] <blahboybaz> VMGuy23: right on
[20:23] <mbeierl> but, combine that with docker cache, and it could be weeks before we notice the build is no longer going to work, because the older version was installed in an earlier layer that did not get updated until today
[20:23] <mbeierl> sarnold, please explain.  I looked around and I see .isos, but not pools of all old versions of every package that was once available
[20:24] <cbreak> http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/ ?
[20:25] <mbeierl> http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/c/curl/ <-  7.58.0-2ubuntu3.12 is not there...
[20:25] <sarnold> mbeierl: I'm asking in #launchpad about this now. this is very surprising to me.
[20:25] <mbeierl> sarnold, that is kinda what I thought too ...
[20:35] <VMGuy23> Currently looking for files that have "AutoMount=True" in them
[20:36] <VMGuy23> Hopefully the right one comes up
[20:36] <unixbsd> I have tested ubuntu for rapsberry pi, 64 bits, on rpi3b. Note that Raspios is thousand times faster than ubuntu for PI. It comes from teh ubuntu kernel. you need to check that and optimize it. Ubuntu rpi3b is slow, you need to check Freebsd, it is 100x times faster than ubuntu Linux, tested on kernel 5.x ubuntu. Good luck
[20:36] <VMGuy23> unixbsd: who are you talking to?
[20:37] <unixbsd> to ##ubuntu
[20:37] <unixbsd> ah, I should visit the dev,.....
[20:37] <VMGuy23> (Also, yes, Ubuntu is slower than Raspbian, tried Ubuntu MATE on 3B+ before Pi4 existed)
[20:37] <VMGuy23> This is \ubuntu, not \\ubuntu.
[20:38] <VMGuy23> (sorry, wrong keyboard layout, im on a live cd)
[20:39] <VMGuy23> I meant #, not \
[20:41] <blahboybaz> What is "Configure Secure Boot" in the Ubuntu 20.04 installer? Is that the same as encrypting the disk or is it something different?
[20:42] <pavlos> encrypt disk is different
[20:43] <VMGuy23> Secure Boot might need to be configured
[20:44] <VMGuy23> I have a bad feeling that the mount for /boot/efi is in a binary...
[20:47] <pavlos> blahboybaz: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UEFI/SecureBoot
[20:47] <blahboybaz> pavlos: thx
[20:48] <VMGuy23> "Recovery Mode" is glitchy and does not allow usage of the options.
[20:48] <blahboybaz> Oh! I see what's going on. It has fields to enter a password but I don't want a password on the bios level. Maybe I can leave it blank and still be ok
[20:48] <blahboybaz> nope
[20:48] <VMGuy23> Youll only have to enter it once
[20:49] <VMGuy23> and never again
[20:51] <blahboybaz> right on
[20:52] <seannyob> hey folks. i have a GPD Pocket2 running xubuntu 20.10, and my zsys installation broke...anyone have any experience with zsys? the zsysd.service won't start, and systemd is reporting that it exits with status2/INVALIDARGUMENT
[20:58] <seannyob> No one else using zsys? :-(
[20:58] <sarnold> I installed my system before zsys was available..
[20:59] <sarnold> seannyob: does zsys have logs? journalctl output? just the one status '2' report isn't much to work with
[21:03] <seannyob> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/8HW23GCkM9/
[21:05] <tomreyn> "panic: runtime error: invalid memory address or nil pointer dereference" seems to be the first error
[21:07] <nuala> i want to avoid libsdl2 v2.0.10; which seems focal default. How would i change cmake-build process to use my build of libsdl2?
[21:07] <seannyob> Definitely does. Don't know what to do with that, particularly... Bit of a shame, it was working on initial install.
[21:12] <tomreyn> seannyob: i assume the panic is a result of the situation discussed by the warnings. it should probably handle this situation better than just segfaulting,t hough. related, but different, i think: https://github.com/ubuntu/zsys/issues/80
[21:13] <tomreyn> in your case, the dataset isn't of an unsupported type, but just not found
[21:15] <blahboybaz> tIn the Ubuntu 20.04 installer there is a question about enabling location services. I do not want to enable that. But there is not a hover over or other tool tip that makes it explicitly clear what position is off and what position is on on the switch for that. I don't want to guess or feel uncertain about this - it is something I find critacally important (I don't want to be tracked).
[21:15] <blahboybaz> Does anyone know with certainty what the default position is for that switch?
[21:16] <tomreyn> seannyob: also, i'm not seeing anyone else reporting the very problem you ran into. which might be because you did something special, your system is setup specially, or the situation / error is just rare. you don't mix software from different ubuntu releases by chance?
[21:16] <Ravage> you can enable or disable that any time at Settings -> Privacy
[21:17] <blahboybaz> I apologize.. it is not in the installer but the initial setup
[21:17] <blahboybaz> Ravage: Yeah but encounter the same issue (not being explicit about the positon of these switches). Some things are too important not to
[21:25] <seannyob> @tomreyn: Nope, it's 20.10. I am using cyrptsetup. The zfs pools occasionally do not mount at boot time, but other than that everything else is working ok, mostly. Might have something to do with the hardware, I don't know. It was working for a while after installation.
[21:31] <pavlos> blahboybaz: under privacy > location services, the default is gar grey off, if you enable it will turn purple
[21:32] <pavlos> dark grey
[21:32] <blahboybaz> pavlos: ahh. cool. thanks
[21:38] <locsmif> Hi all. Trying to use ppa-purge to remove a launchpad repo, but it doesn't do anything. I tried ppa-purge -s ppa.launchpad.net ppa:landscape/19.10/ubuntu .. but it doesn't do anything, gives me an error that the repo does not have a Release file and leaves the file in sources.list.d as is... What am I doing wrong?
[21:39] <locsmif> ls -l
[21:39] <locsmif> oops, sorry
[21:40] <mort> <--- your terminal window is over there
[21:40] <locsmif> It is actually, literally :P
[21:40] <sarnold> locsmif: maybe pastebin what you ran and what the error message is?
[21:40] <Bashing-om> !info landscape focal | locsmif
[21:41] <locsmif> I can't copy/paste unfortunately, it's a proxmox web shell, and it doesn't allow copy/paste for some reason
[21:41] <Bashing-om> locsmif: If the target here is "landscape
[21:41] <sarnold> locsmif: pastebinit?
[21:42] <Bashing-om> " then yes expected behaivour as there is no package for ppa-purge to revert to. There is another means to remove the PPA.
[21:42] <locsmif> It says: "Updating package lists" and then: E: The repository 'http://ppa.laucnhpad.net/landscape/19.10/ubuntu focal Release' does not have a Release file.
[21:43] <locsmif> Hmmm
[21:43] <locsmif> I followed this: https://landscape.canonical.com/set-up-on-prem .. I don't get why it doesn't work.. Is that outdated?
[21:44] <locsmif> Btw, there is a typo above that is not in the shell, artefact of typing it over :(
[21:45] <VMGuy23> Ubuntu installer failed to uuid so now i have busybox
[21:46] <VMGuy23> and the installer now, only now, cant see the efi partition
[21:46] <VMGuy23> so i cant reinstall again
[21:47] <VMGuy23> tomorrow im going to try changing fstab and see if that works
[21:48] <locsmif> Is Ubuntu landscape dead?
[21:48] <VMGuy23> what do you mean by that
[21:49] <sarnold> locsmif: it's still there https://launchpad.net/~landscape/+archive/ubuntu/19.10 and looks like the newest "LDS" ppa there https://launchpad.net/~landscape
[21:50] <VMGuy23> that's the 19.10 archive Sarnold
[21:50] <Bashing-om> !info landscape-server focal
[21:50] <VMGuy23> !info landscape focal
[21:50] <locsmif> I can't install Bionic on a production server can I?
[21:50] <locsmif> I see it doesn't exist in Focal, yes
[21:50] <VMGuy23> its still in support
[21:51] <sarnold> locsmif: bionic gets standard support for another two years
[21:51] <VMGuy23> and what about the ppa
[21:51] <locsmif> sarnold: what did you mean by "LDS" earlier?
[21:52] <sarnold> locsmif: that's what they named the PPAs, I haven't got a clue what it actuallyh means
[21:52] <locsmif> Ah, an acronym for "Landscape" probably
[21:52] <VMGuy23> !info landscape-server bionic
[21:52] <VMGuy23> !info landscape bionic
[21:53] <Ravage> landscape works up to 18.04
[21:53] <VMGuy23> landscape not in bionic it seems
[21:53] <Ravage> 20.04 is not supported
[21:53] <locsmif> Does that mean the project is dead/dying, or is that just the way it is?
[21:53] <Ravage> no idea
[21:54] <VMGuy23> most likely dead, see check when the ppa was last updated
[21:55]  * VMGuy23 did not mean to put 'see' in there
[21:55] <Ravage> looks like there is a snap for the landscape-api
[21:55] <Ravage> https://snapcraft.io/install/landscape-api/ubuntu
[21:55] <VMGuy23> can !info see snaps?
[21:56] <VMGuy23> !info landscape-api focal
[21:56] <VMGuy23> !info landscape-api snap
[21:56] <VMGuy23> whoops
[21:57] <VMGuy23> that did my whole (very small) screen
[21:58] <VMGuy23> lets see if its in bionic
[21:58] <sarnold> locsmif: definitely landscape hasn't received the care and attention it should, but it still exists, is still sold, etc
[21:58] <VMGuy23> !info landscape-api bionic
[21:58] <VMGuy23> uh... interesting
[21:59] <VMGuy23> !info landscape-api bionic-backports
[21:59] <locsmif> Well, that's a disappointment.. I guess I'll have to look for alternatives... doesn't look like there are any, though
[22:00] <VMGuy23> !info landscape bionic-backports
[22:00] <locsmif> Not web-based and of the same scope
[22:00] <VMGuy23> !info landscape-server bionic-backports
[22:00] <VMGuy23> so... its not on bionic at all...
[22:00] <locsmif> sarnold: so how do I remove the repository? By hand? Should I remove the key by hand as well?
[22:01] <VMGuy23> how did you add it?
[22:01] <lastshell> I have a silly question related to /etc/shadow and ubuntu 16.04 and 18.04 I tried to copy the password (in the shadow) from one user to a new host but the password is not working
[22:01] <sarnold> locsmif: maybe pastebin the command you ran and the error you're getting back from ppa-purge? there might be something easy to do to it
[22:02] <locsmif> VMGuy23: https://landscape.canonical.com/set-up-on-prem
[22:02] <Battle> hello all, how would I go about setting up some kind of rate limiting on a specific port so that globally it will allow 1 connection in, then block until X seconds have passed and then allow another? etc
[22:02] <lastshell> also is a new limit of 32 chars using useradd command in 18.04
[22:02] <Bashing-om> locsmif: Looking and this post indicates that a "purge" is what is required: https://blog.giantgeek.com/?p=1409 ??
[22:02] <sarnold> Battle: ufw has something simple for this, though it might be too simple
[22:02] <locsmif> sarnold: the command is here: https://landscape.canonical.com/set-up-on-prem  and the error I got was: E: The repository 'http://ppa.laucnhpad.net/landscape/19.10/ubuntu focal Release' does not have a Release file.
[22:02] <Battle> I have iptables at the moment, should I switch to ufw?
[22:03] <locsmif> The command to install that is. The error is from ppa-purge
[22:03] <locsmif> Bashing-om: will look
[22:03] <VMGuy23> locsmif: dont send links, i cant click on them and also dont mention me because it makes a noise
[22:03] <lastshell> I checked that login.defs both are using sha 512
[22:03] <sarnold> locsmif: there's no ppa-purge mentioned on that page
[22:04] <VMGuy23> lastshell: each user probably has its own key/hash
[22:05] <locsmif> sarnold: the command I ran was: ppa-purge -s ppa.launchpad.net ppa:landscape/19.10/ubuntu and the error was: E: The repository 'http://ppa.laucnhpad.net/landscape/19.10/ubuntu focal Release' does not have a Release file.
[22:05] <locsmif> That is after install it as per the link earlier, after realising it wouldn't work
[22:06] <sarnold> locsmif: how about if you take that -s ppa.launchpad.net off?
[22:06] <locsmif> sarnold: same error
[22:06] <VMGuy23> does apt update work?
[22:06] <locsmif> It also adds: Warning: apt-get update failed for some reason
[22:07] <locsmif> apt update works, save for that repo
[22:07] <VMGuy23> what version were you on when you added the repo?
[22:07] <locsmif> Ubuntu 20.04.2 LTS
[22:07] <VMGuy23> what's the repo url in apt update?
[22:08] <VMGuy23> (note: i never use apt-get. wasted 4 chars)
[22:08] <locsmif> http://ppa.launchpad.net/landscape/19.10/ubuntu focal Release
[22:08] <locsmif> I used apt update last
[22:09] <VMGuy23> strange, maybe you have to manually.
[22:09] <sarnold> locsmif: aha, there's no 'focal' there http://ppa.launchpad.net/landscape/19.10/ubuntu/dists/ -- maybe hand-edit the sources file to say 'bionic' again?
[22:10] <locsmif> Shouldn't I remove the repository and the GPG key altogether? This version of Ubuntu should gel all too well with this older ubuntu-landscape?
[22:10] <locsmif> Or should I take the risk and modify 'focal' to 'bionic' and install?
[22:10] <locsmif> should/should not
[22:11] <sarnold> locsmif: I was thinking, change it to bionic, then the ppa-purge command will probably work
[22:11] <VMGuy23> try modify focal to bionic and hope for no errors
[22:11] <locsmif> I could try that
[22:13] <locsmif> Hmmm, now it says: PPA to be remove: landscape/19.10 ubuntu, immediately followed by: Warning: Could not find package list for PPA: landscape/19.10 ubuntu
[22:13] <locsmif> ls -l
[22:13] <locsmif> arg fuck
[22:13] <locsmif> sorry :(
[22:13] <VMGuy23> apt-add-repository (i think that's it) --remove ppa:landscape/19.10/ubuntu
[22:14] <VMGuy23> change the file back first
[22:14] <blahboybaz> I have this issue: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-control-center/-/issues/1011
[22:14] <blahboybaz> Is there a known solution?
[22:15] <VMGuy23> blahboybaz: describe it here, i cant click on links
[22:15] <locsmif> apt-add-repository --remove ppa:landscape/19.10 worked.
[22:16] <locsmif> Had to leave the /ubuntu off
[22:16] <VMGuy23> nice, that's how i remove ppas
[22:17] <blahboybaz> VMGuy23: Oh..  well the mouse speed for external mouse is not fast even when maxed out in settings. It is Ubuntu 20.04 on a new HP Envy laptop that has 4x screen (3840 x 2160 resolution)
[22:17] <blahboybaz> I really need the mouse speed / pointer to move faster acrost the screen
[22:18] <VMGuy23> someone else had this problem a few days ago, forgot how to fix though
[22:19] <sarnold> locsmif: woot! :)
[22:19] <blahboybaz> VMGuy23: Yeah, that article talks about the same thing (from 10 mos ago) but there is not solution in it
[22:20] <sarnold> blahboybaz: some of the fancier mice can be configured with https://github.com/libratbag/piper/
[22:20] <lastshell> VMGuy23 if I use the same groups ids for the users migration can solve the issue with the /etc/shadow ?
[22:21] <VMGuy23> lastshell: the best method would probably be to enter the password manually in settings
[22:21] <VMGuy23> be back in a minute
[22:22] <lastshell> thanks
[22:22] <blahboybaz> sarnold: Not sure how fancy it is ($12 walmart logitach mouse) but its worth looking at. thanks
[22:23] <sarnold> blahboybaz: once upon a time I used to change mouse acceleration with xset
[22:24] <sarnold> blahboybaz: the xset tool still exists, and might still work for this :) -- the manpage also mentions libinput can set different accelerations for different devices
[22:26] <blahboybaz> sarnold:  Is that this? https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/187183/mouse-movement-speed-is-set-to-max-but-still-slow
[22:26] <blahboybaz> Or could that work maybe?
[22:26] <blahboybaz> its old
[22:27] <sarnold> blahboybaz: synclient will be specific to touch pad, and it might have been replaced by libinput in the meantime
[22:27] <blahboybaz> oh, ok
[22:27] <blahboybaz> I'll look at what you talked about
[22:27] <Aavar> Is there a good way to combine rsync with tar.gz to create a incremental backup of a directory to a tar.gz?
[22:28] <Aavar> (i am open to other suggestions)
[22:29] <sarnold> Aavar: that might be built-in to tar via the -u command line option
[22:30] <sarnold> Aavar: I've never tried it before, be sure to test it a bit before you rely upon it
[22:31] <cbreak> Aavar: rsync can create incremental backups on its own
[22:32] <shailangsa> does anybody know if its possible to copy a directory which contains sym links, when running "cp -R" command it returns operation not permitted?
[22:35] <Aavar> cbreak: Yes I know, but I would like to put it in a tar.gz or bz2
[22:37] <leftyfb> shailangsa: use rsync
[22:38] <shailangsa> how about within android?
[22:41] <Aavar> shailangsa: are you rooted?
[22:41] <shailangsa> yes
[22:41] <Aavar> shailangsa: use sudo?
[22:43] <shailangsa> android doesn't have sudo and rsync?
[22:45] <overclucker> tar czf - file | ssh user@host cat > archive.tar.gz
[22:46] <_Sym_> shailangsa, on android, you can use adb to copy stuff and adb can even be used wirelessly
[22:48] <blahboybaz> sarnold: I see an article from 2015 using xinput to change things
[22:48] <blahboybaz> is that still valid?
[22:49] <sarnold> blahboybaz: yes, I do that for my own touchpad
[22:49] <sarnold> blahboybaz: this is my ~/.xsession file https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/22rVQgnNyn/
[22:51] <shailangsa> adb rather than shell cp commands?
[22:51] <blahboybaz> I see the information for that device listed in terminal and it shows a "... Accel Speed" and an "... Accel Speed Default" 1: are either of these the one to change? 2: what is the range? Can put what 1.5? 2.0?   What are the upper and lower bounds?
[22:52] <blahboybaz> Currently Accell Speed is set at 1.000000 but Accel Speed Default is set at 0.000000
[22:54] <blahboybaz> Unfortunately, that article I'm looking at the guy wanted to slow it down (not speed it up). So the information is geared in the wrong direction
[22:55] <sarnold> man I have never wanted to slow down the defaults
[22:55] <sarnold> sheesh :)
[22:56] <blahboybaz> sarnold: tell me about it
[22:56] <blahboybaz> they're using a command specifically for it so I'm not getting what I need for my problem
[22:59] <blahboybaz> Yeah, neither $ xinput set-prop 10 "libinpput Accel Speed" 1.5 nor $ xinput set-prop 10 "libinpput Accel Speed" 1.5  works. It says they are values out of range. I guess 1.0 is the upper limit and that is what it is currently set at (but still too slow)
[23:00] <blahboybaz> 1.5  and 2.0 are out of range (I meant). was a typo
[23:00] <sarnold> :(
[23:00] <sarnold> blahboybaz: I found that I couldn't use numbers to specify the devices or properties
[23:00] <sarnold> blahboybaz: try with the ugly strings
[23:02] <blahboybaz> lemme look at what you have again
[23:06] <blahboybaz> sarnold: Yeah, I tried the other style of command, and it's still complaining if I try to enter a number greater than 1 (its already set at 1 and too slow).
[23:07] <sarnold> dang
[23:07] <blahboybaz> its telling me "integer parameter out of range for operation"
[23:07] <blahboybaz> I'm effed
[23:08] <sarnold> blahboybaz: is there a button on the mouse for changing dpi or something? my current mouse has one of those, it makes a huge difference
[23:11] <blahboybaz> Its a logitech m325 I'll try to look it up
[23:16] <blahboybaz> yeah, looks like it doesn't. Might have to get a differnt mouse I guess  - idk