 @adamd [My Oneplus 3T A3000 is showing a box with L near the signal strength meter. It k …], Because UT does not support VoLTE it must use 2G or 3G/HSPA in order to make a phone call. Not sure if that is what is going on for you though.
[00:26] <adamd> That is a bumer because 3G support ends soon.  Do I need to stop using ubuntu touch?
 Depends on soon some carriers will support 3g up till 2022
 [Edit] Depends on 'soon' some carriers will support 3g up till 2022
[00:28] <adamd> Yes. My carrier is AT&T and they support it until February 2022, which is less then a year away.  Will UT update to support 4G by then?
 What I personally don't get is why VoLTE is so complicated
 @yaygya [What I personally don't get is why VoLTE is so complicated], Why the carriers and chip companies have made this so hard
 All i know is that's a year's time to find a solution
 @yaygya [Why the carriers and chip companies have made this so hard], It's literally just sending a call through the LTE network
[00:29] <adamd> Thanks for the information. I'll try not to worry too much. :)
 @yaygya [It's literally just sending a call through the LTE network], Did we have people in 2008 asking if VoHSPA was supported? Or VoUMTS? No, because it worked.
 Probably because it works differently
 2g for example had separate data and voice channels
 Now with 4G those two channels are merged iiuc
[00:32] <adamd> Thanks again for the info. Gotta run now.
 So everything goes over a data
 So no problem adan
 https://www.reddit.com/r/Sprint/comments/cdrh59/why_is_volte_so_complicated/
 [Edit] So no problem adam
 @yaygya [https://www.reddit.com/r/Sprint/comments/cdrh59/why_is_volte_so_complicated/], Just found this
 Lol
 Yeah, there needs to be a standard VoLTE implementation
 @yaygya [What I personally don't get is why VoLTE is so complicated], Proprletary code that will need to be reverse engineered, if some other work around can not be figured out.
 @TotalSonic [Proprletary code that will need to be reverse engineered, if some other work aro …], Appearently its complicated, even in the linux world
 @Bart Aki [How can I check memory usage? Morph sometimes crashes with  "out of memory" log …], Open the terminal and use command top
 `free` should also be available, right?
 -h would be most friendly
[02:53] <ubptgbot> Jigar_punadiya was added by: Jigar_punadiya
 @Tedster [free should also be available, right?], yes that works too
 @yaygya [Did we have people in 2008 asking if VoHSPA was supported? Or VoUMTS? No, becaus …], well that's not how voice worked in 2008 either, nor was anyone trying to make it work that way
 but VoIP worked (which is what that basically amounts to), via SIP
 @yaygya [What I personally don't get is why VoLTE is so complicated], Capitalism.
 Seems to me, in order to buy time as the VoLTE issue becomes more pressing to hurdle over, it would really help to get an arm64 version of Linphone up, along with a fix for the lack of echo cancellation for it too.  … https://open-store.io/app/linphone.cibersheep
 [Edit] Seems to me, in order to buy time as the VoLTE issue becomes more pressing to hurdle over, it would really help to get an arm64 version of Linphone built, along with a fix for the lack of echo cancellation for it too.  … https://open-store.io/app/linphone.cibersheep
 @TotalSonic [Seems to me, in order to buy time as the VoLTE issue becomes more pressing to hu …], Yeah, that is a known issue just like volte :p
 I wonder if the foundation could get the os, ubuntu touch, certified as described in that reddit thread
 @Fuseteam [I wonder if the foundation could get the os, ubuntu touch, certified as describe …], Unfortunately, certification is per device
 So you could have two devices from the same company with one of them certified and the other not
 Or a device that's certified on one carrier but not another
 The only company that has the motivation and resources to certify their devices on everything is Apple
 Yeah that's what i got from the thread as well :/
[03:52] <ubptgbot> rburleigh was added by: rburleigh
 @alera_on [Well, everyone wonders if UU is going to use Lomiri (Unity 8) so, I don't 100% a …], if you do use lomiri in a remix/distro you can use whatever logo you want, debian can use their logo, manjaro their logo, arch their logo
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 woah, why was that image link so big...
 (Photo, 300x168) https://irc.ubports.com/HA00QRyl.png
 https://github.com/vanyasem/Lomiri-Arch
 @mateosalta [https://github.com/vanyasem/Lomiri-Arch], ❤️
 OnePlus 5 cheeseburger ?
 @SehjanS [OnePlus 5 cheeseburger ?], Info is here https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io/device/cheeseburger/
[06:45] <ubptgbot> darek darek was added by: darek darek
 @yaygya [It's literally just sending a call through the LTE network], Well well well .. "Just" is a kind of abstraction that mostly makes no sense in modern tech now. Your "just works" result may have taken years and years of development and tinkering by a lot of people. But here are some answers: … - Why doesnt it work "just so"? First,
[06:52] <ubptgbot> your modem needs to be able to run VoLTE so its not for all 4G devices, even though not many exist these days that can´t do that. Second, while 3G and 4G are standardized down to the bone (and therefore expensive for carriers and equipment manufacturers) VoLTE is kind of a "fashion trend" in mobile: It does not denote an international standard. Its
[06:52] <ubptgbot>  like "Nail this picture to the wall but you are free to use which tool you want". … So by that every equipment manufacturer had the freedom to implement it as they wish basically. And thats why you need software on top of the hardware to run it inside the modem already. … - VoLTE is an IP technology, so it competes a bit with the data channel for
[06:52] <ubptgbot> your apps and OS. So e.g. what if you would turn off mobile data during a call, would the call get dropped, or does the modem still continue to run data until the call is ended and then disconnects data? Lots of edge cases to be solved … - VoLTE as today requires at least 2 or 3 Android daemons to be run by the OS to configure and support VoLTE ope
[06:52] <ubptgbot> rations. Not only calls, but SMS MMS etc all must be managed a bit differently now. … - Finally, VoLTE was rushed IMHO by all participants because of cost pressure: The earlier they can turn off 3G equipment the better. They need those frequencies for 5G etc blahblah. As innovation is starving in mobile 5G is literally the only thing that they can
[06:52] <ubptgbot> show off to convince you upgrading your plan :P
 I'm trying to set up `postgres` in a Libertine container.
 https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-install-and-use-postgresql-on-ubuntu-18-04
 I'm worried that the confinement of the container, and the inability to use `sudo`, would make commands such as `sudo -i -u postgres` impossible.
 So what can be done? I would appreciate a solution ASAP, this is a crucial part of webdev.
 @TartanSpartan [So what can be done? I would appreciate a solution ASAP, this is a crucial part …], Not sure if developing on the phone is a workflow pattern that is yet supported very well.
 Well, tablet, but here's hoping.
 @TotalSonic [Seems to me, in order to buy time as the VoLTE issue becomes more pressing to hu …], +1
[08:51] <ubptgbot> Robbie Anderson was added by: Robbie Anderson
 OK, so about VoLTE, it isn't easy, it seems best to discuss on the forum instead of here to ask and link to other projects that are facing the same challenge. But a search on volte at the forum returns 515 "false positive" messages??? Surely this topic is already out there but I'm having trouble finding it? https://forums.ubports.com/sear
[08:55] <ubptgbot> ch?term=volte&in=titlesposts&matchWords=all&categories[]=all&searchChildren=true&sortBy=relevance&sortDirection=desc&showAs=posts
 Maybe it is "fuzzy search" by default, I see some "hits" on "violet" (Xiaomi Redmi Note 7 Pro)
 @rikshaw [OK, so about VoLTE, it isn't easy, it seems best to discuss on the forum instead …], I think we discussed enough, we need people that are smart enough to hack into the vendor protocols between modem and the IMS daemons to see how they do all that stuff. We know we need VoLTE, at least on a few devices.
 We have even a Telegram group with Jolla and other stakeholders, and still no progress :(
 Its already on cross-project level
 Yes, agreed that "talk" in Telegram isn't that useful. But on forum or github/lab, where is the efficient place to do the work so we don't have do dig telegram history like animals? 😊
 Then we can save your effort to not have to write long explanations every time, since so few people know how messy it is. Is there a forum post / github/lab issue we can point people to?
 ... I have never seen an animal dig through Telegram history... 😜
 Since Discourse search seems to return too many false positives I just "sifted the search results" like an animal 😊 to unearth this thread which seems to be the most consolidated one: https://forums.ubports.com/topic/2626/volte-and-3g-shutdowns
 But as it is about 2 years stale, it may or may not be relevant. Regardless, seems that upstream ofono is where the work would most likely get done, then UT would need to merge with upstream ofono? Does this sound right?
 Is this "upstream ofono"? https://01.org/ofono
 @rikshaw [But as it is about 2 years stale, it may or may not be relevant. Regardless, see …], No not really. ofono is at the very end of the toolchain. As I said you need to hack and reverse-engineer the Android IMS services (needless to say they are different for each vendor and sometimes for each device of that vendor :)) and understan
[09:25] <ubptgbot> d what does it need to enable and provision the modem for VoLTE
 If things would be so easy we would have jumped on them already.
 Its purely Android internals problem right now, before we move on to how to connect it with UT
 Can we develop UT apps on flutter?
 @ahmadhsalim [Can we develop UT apps on flutter?], Not yet
 Will it come anytime soon?
 @ahmadhsalim [Will it come anytime soon?], Not on the list of the core team. Maybe through contributions from someone else ;)
 Okay
 Here's some discussion on VoLTE confirmed working carriers in pmOS using the pinephone: https://forum.pine64.org/showthread.php?tid=12560
 There is a reply there noting VoLTE confirmed working on T-Mobile in the US... using the "Commercial-TMO_VoLTE" parameters...?
[09:49] <ubptgbot> <Geld - internet-landlords.xyz> Hello, is Google Nexus 5 also named "LG Nexus 5"? … Just making sure.
[09:49] <ubptgbot> <Geld - internet-landlords.xyz> [Edit] Hello, is Google Nexus 5 also called "LG Nexus 5"? … Just making sure.
 @Geld - internet-landlords.xyz [Hello, is Google Nexus 5 also called "LG Nexus 5"? … Just making sure.], Yes. It was produced by LG
[09:59] <ubptgbot> <Geld - internet-landlords.xyz> Ok. And there are no different 'versions' of the phone, right? … If I buy used working Nexus 5, then Ubuntu Touch should work in general, is that correct?
[10:00] <ubptgbot> <M B> yes, i have nexus 5 and i have installed ut via ubports installer without any problems
[10:01] <ubptgbot> <M B> anbox works too
[10:01] <ubptgbot> <M B> more or less
[10:02] <ubptgbot> <Geld - internet-landlords.xyz> Great. Thank you.
[10:04] <ubptgbot> <Geld - internet-landlords.xyz> Will 16GB in Nexus 5 be enough for the OS + some apps?
 @Geld - internet-landlords.xyz [Will 16GB in Nexus 5 be enough for the OS + some apps?], Yes, I am not a "heavy user" but that combination is my "daily driver"
[10:06] <ubptgbot> <M B> sure
[10:06] <ubptgbot> <Geld - internet-landlords.xyz> Ok
[10:06] <ubptgbot> <M B> my nexus 5 works very good even though it's so old. the only problem is the battery life.
[10:13] <ubptgbot> Ludovic was added by: Ludovic
 On N5, works great, but yeah the battery. Thinking of getting the Pixel 2 as I heard Flo has been working on it. What is the current status of the Pixel 2?
[10:46] <ubptgbot> <Geld - internet-landlords.xyz> LG Nexus 5 D821
[10:46] <ubptgbot> <Geld - internet-landlords.xyz> [Edit] LG Nexus 5 D821 … Will do?
 For me N5 with 16GB is to small, because i using offline Maps for Navigation. Example: Germany used 10GB.
[11:08] <ubptgbot> <Geld - internet-landlords.xyz> @SteffenPrz [For me N5 with 16GB is to small, because i using offline Maps for Navigation. Ex …], As a toy phone to test Ubuntu Touch, I think 16GB (probably 13-14 usable) will be enough. … As long as it's enough to install the OS + some bonus apps, it will be fine.
 @SehjanS [OnePlus 5 cheeseburger ?], @flohack gottem
 @Flohack [No not really. ofono is at the very end of the toolchain. As I said you need to …], idk if this is relevant but in phh gsis the patched ims is per soc manufacturer and vendor version
 e,g mtk q vendor
 @SehjanS [OnePlus 5 cheeseburger ?], We have an issue with the installer right now, but otherwise looks promising. Ah and only SIM slot 2 works and no call audio ;)
 @TartanSpartan [I'm worried that the confinement of the container, and the inability to use sudo …], i don't think confinement will be a real issue as long as you stay within the container. as for `sudo -i -u postgres` maybe try using a root shell for sudo commands?
 @Flohack [We have an issue with the installer right now, but otherwise looks promising. Ah …], thought you were looking for testers :p
 @Fuseteam [thought you were looking for testers :p], Sure but its cumbersome to install without the installer
 ah true yeah
[12:54] <ubptgbot> <Robbie Anderson> Woooow!!!!!!! I RECEIVED CRYPTO!!!!! https://cutt.ly/3cOrnTe
[13:32] <ubptgbot> xKumo was added by: xKumo
 @Fuseteam [i don't think confinement will be a real issue as long as you stay within the co …], Nope. You need to run that command, `sudo` and all, I'm quite sure but you can't use `sudo` in Libertine, and without it then `-i -u` prefixes are meaningless.
 but `sudo -i` gets you a root shell
 Unless someone has any bright ideas I think I will have to install Postgres on UT outside of the container, since I need to generate a database for this remote learning assessment today. I think this should be safe though? Because they are deps which don't replace anything on the file system, so shouldn't break anything.
 so all `sudo -i -u postgres` is really doing is switch your user to the postgres user iiuc
 (Photo, 1280x800) https://irc.ubports.com/Oqu7KqKL.png
 Does it? :P
[13:43] <ubptgbot> <Ted Rendol> @Geld - internet-landlords.xyz [Will 16GB in Nexus 5 be enough for the OS + some apps?], My daily drive ,battery is not hard replece.
 @TartanSpartan [<reply to media>], try `sudo -i` outside of libertine
[13:44] <ubptgbot> <Ted Rendol> @SteffenPrz [For me N5 with 16GB is to small, because i using offline Maps for Navigation. Ex …], How get offline map?
 @Ted Rendol [My daily drive ,battery is not hard replece.], but it is non-removable 👀
 @Ted Rendol [How get offline map?], OSM scout in the openstore
 @TartanSpartan [Unless someone has any bright ideas I think I will have to install Postgres on U …], have you tried creating a chroot? maybe it's more flexible than libertine
 @Javacookies [have you tried creating a chroot? maybe it's more flexible than libertine], isn't libertine just a chroot in most cases?
 yeah, proot I believe, which is an unprivileged chroot?
 oh right its an unprivileged chroot
 privileged chroots are thing too huh 🤔
 @TartanSpartan [Does it? :P], here if your still skeptical:
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/UkWmekSh.png
[13:53] <ubptgbot> <Ted Rendol> @Fuseteam [but it is non-removable 👀], True, but with a careful procedure without any damage, it is possible to change the battery. With a little heating, the 5-year-old glue is easily removed :)
 @Ted Rendol [True, but with a careful procedure without any damage, it is possible to change …], hmmm
[13:53] <ubptgbot> <Ted Rendol> @Fuseteam [OSM scout in the openstore], Ok, thenx
 battery on the Nexus 5 can be replaced by someone who know what he/she's doing … one of mine had the battery replaced....but it wasn't me, I bought it like that....I don't know what I'm doing so I don't qualify 😂
 Here you go: … https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Nexus+5+Battery+Replacement/26009
 [Edit] battery on the Nexus 5 can be replaced by someone who knows what he/she's doing … one of mine had the battery replaced....but it wasn't me, I bought it like that....I don't know what I'm doing so I don't qualify 😂
 @klaartje_b [Here you go: … https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Nexus+5+Battery+Replacement/26009], Problem I had on  Nexus 7 battery replacement was that it was easy to do, but all the ebay batteries you can buy have also been sitting on a shelf for 7 years. I tried to get the "best one" but it wasn't that good at holding a charge, now 1 year l
[13:58] <ubptgbot> ater it is basically the same as the 7 year old battery I replaced last year.... hmmm......
[13:59] <ubptgbot> karlin5233 was added by: karlin5233
 hello, I have a problem when installing ubuntu on my nexus 5, I get a storage error and the device is only in the boot image, does anyone know how to solve it?
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/0yd4NG01.png
[14:04] <ubptgbot> <Ted Rendol> @klaartje_b [Here you go: … https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Nexus+5+Battery+Replacement/26009], Yes, good start and also read the comments below the guide carefully.
 @karlin5233 [hello, I have a problem when installing ubuntu on my nexus 5, I get a storage er …], can you verify if the partition layout was ever changed?
[14:05] <ubptgbot> <Ted Rendol> @Javacookies [battery on the Nexus 5 can be replaced by someone who knows what he/she's doing …], :-D
 @Fuseteam [can you verify if the partition layout was ever changed?], Error: adb:push: Error: {"error":{"code":1},"stdout":"adb: error: failed to copy '/home/karlin5233/.cache/ubports/hammerhead/Ubuntu Touch/ubports-58b6f54398a3601a5c0646b558752ead169c183d243b4054fc9f27fb272312a2.tar.xz' to '/cache/recovery/ubports-58b6f54398a3601a5c06
[14:06] <ubptgbot> 46b558752ead169c183d243b4054fc9f27fb272312a2.tar.xz': remote No space left on device\n/home/karlin5233/.cache/ubports/hammerhead/Ubuntu Touch/ubports-58b6f54398a3601a5c0646b558752ead169c183d243b4054fc9f27fb272312a2.tar.xz: 1 file pushed, 0 skipped. 10.4 MB/s (368172304 bytes in 33.866s)\n/home/karlin5233/.cache/ubports/hammerhead/Ubuntu Touch/ubpor
[14:06] <ubptgbot> ts-58b6f54398a3601a5c0646b558752ead169c183d243b4054fc9f27fb272312a2.tar.xz.asc: 1 file pushed, 0 skipped. 7.4 MB/s (488 bytes in 0.000s)\n/home/karlin5233/.cache/ubports/hammerhead/Ubuntu Touch/device-a5e8b471edfef89ea4dc3276cc95d4a8f67925673cffb7008c080ed49d052860.tar.xz: 1 file pushed, 0 skipped. 10.3 MB/s (59672568 bytes in 5.504s)\n/home/karlin
[14:06] <ubptgbot> 5233/.cache/ubports/hammerhead/Ubuntu Touch/device-a5e8b471edfef89ea4dc3276cc95d4a8f67925673cffb7008c080ed49d052860.tar.xz.asc: 1 file pushed, 0 skipped. 10.8 MB/s (488 bytes in 0.000s)\n/home/karlin5233/.cache/ubports/hammerhead/Ubuntu Touch/keyring-4c4e7ef380ebcfa2c31084efa199138e93bfed8fc58aa3eb06bdf75a78af9b57.tar.xz: 1 file pushed, 0 skipped.
[14:06] <ubptgbot> 0.1 MB/s (1504 bytes in 0.013s)\n/home/karlin5233/.cache/ubports/hammerhead/Ubuntu Touch/keyring-4c4e7ef380ebcfa2c31084efa199138e93bfed8fc58aa3eb06bdf75a78af9b57.tar.xz.asc: 1 file pushed, 0 skipped. 9.6 MB/s (473 bytes in 0.000s)\n/home/karlin5233/.cache/ubports/hammerhead/Ubuntu Touch/version-2001.tar.xz: 1 file pushed, 0 skipped. 0.0 MB/s (472 b
[14:06] <ubptgbot> ytes in 0.029s)\n/home/karlin5233/.cache/ubports/hammerhead/Ubuntu Touch/version-2001.tar.xz.asc: 1 file pushed, 0 skipped. 10.4 MB/s (488 bytes in 0.000s)\n/home/karlin5233/.cache/ubports/hammerhead/Ubuntu Touch/image-signing.tar.xz: 1 file pushed, 0 skipped. 31.0 MB/s (900 bytes in 0.000s)\n/home/karlin5233/.cache/ubports/hammerhead/Ubuntu Touch/
[14:06] <ubptgbot> image-signing.tar.xz.asc: 1 file pushed, 0 skipped. 18.4 MB/s (473 bytes in 0.000s)\n/home/karlin5233/.cache/ubports/hammerhead/Ubuntu Touch/image-master.tar.xz: 1 file pushed, 0 skipped. 26.0 MB/s (864 bytes in 0.000s)\n/home/karlin5233/.cache/ubports/hammerhead/Ubuntu Touch/image-master.tar.xz.asc: 1 file pushed, 0 skipped. 17.8 MB/s (473 bytes i
[14:06] <ubptgbot> n 0.000s)\n/home/karlin5233/.cache/ubports/hammerhead/Ubuntu Touch/ubuntu_command: 1 file pushed, 0 skipped. 18.8 MB/s (731 bytes in 0.000s)\n13 files pushed, 0 skipped. 10.2 MB/s (427852226 bytes in 39.855s)"}
 This is the error
[14:06] <ubptgbot> <Ted Rendol> @rikshaw [Problem I had on  Nexus 7 battery replacement was that it was easy to do, but al …], In good shops look at OEM label battery
 @karlin5233 [hello, I have a problem when installing ubuntu on my nexus 5, I get a storage er …], ideally, you flash original ROM before flashing UT so that the partitions are compatible with what UT expects
 @Fuseteam [can you verify if the partition layout was ever changed?], I tried reinstalling the official software, going back to lineage and I can't get it to work.
 @karlin5233 [This is the error], you partition layout has been changed in the past, you must restore the partition layout to stock first
 what you have tried so far has not restored the partition layout to stock afaict
 @Fuseteam [what you have tried so far has not restored the partition layout to stock afaict], I will try to go back to stock and do it from there
 @karlin5233 [I will try to go back to stock and do it from there], here: https://t.me/WelcomePlus/54062
 @karlin5233 [I will try to go back to stock and do it from there], [Edit] here this might help you: https://t.me/WelcomePlus/54062
 @Fuseteam [here this might help you: https://t.me/WelcomePlus/54062], I have done it and it did not work out
 @karlin5233 [I tried reinstalling the official software, going back to lineage and I can't ge …], don't flash lineage. flash the last Android 6.0.1 full image from Google
 with lineage you're probably grabbing something that's android 9 or 10 and has different partitioning
 @dohbee [don't flash lineage. flash the last Android 6.0.1 full image from Google], I just did it and it still doesn't work, it gives me the same error
 or maybe it has to be reset manually using twrp
 well now you're asking in the spanish group too…
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 nice pack alan
 @dohbee [well now you're asking in the spanish group too…], I'm Argentine, I speak Spanish, that's why I found the group in Spanish, sorry
 it's no problem
 its probably better to ask in the spanish group in your case
 just hard to follow both. will leave you to the spanish chat :)
 @karlin5233 [hello, I have a problem when installing ubuntu on my nexus 5, I get a storage er …], Repart your nexus 5 with TWRP.  https://4pda.ru/forum/index.php?showtopic=514132&st=19700#ENTRY87193696 (This is help me.)
 @Fuseteam [nice pack alan], Wrong group. ;)
 @alan_griffiths [Wrong group. ;)], well tis stolen now xD
 @Fuseteam [well tis stolen now xD], +1
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 Does anyone have an Ubuntu touch Tecno Port?
 Is there any app on UT for unpacking zip files? Some MMSes I receive to only download from the phin carrier website and they are packed in zip files 🤔
 Tricky thing is that somtimes I receive normal MMS message, and sometimes link to login to the carrier website. I have Internet connection on all the time.
 @Fuseteam [here if your still skeptical:], Yeah but that would still entail installing Postgres on the UT file system,right?
 @AgnieszKa17 [Is there any app on UT for unpacking zip files? Some MMSes I receive to only dow …], File manager does unpack zip files iirc
 @Fuseteam [here if your still skeptical:], [Edit] Yeah but that would still entail installing Postgres on the UT file system, right?
 yeah, file manager can extract archives
 Ok, founded 😁 Thak you 😀
 @TartanSpartan [Yeah but that would still entail installing Postgres on the UT file system, righ …], No, that's not what i mean. I mean if `sudo -i` makes you root than you should be able to do whatever `sudo -i -u postgres` does in libertine's root shell
 Oh right ok I'll try it out then.
 @Javacookies [have you tried creating a chroot? maybe it's more flexible than libertine], I would but I need to focus directly on the assessment today. So hopefully that wouldn't be necessary.
 good luck 👍
 Thanks!
 (Photo, 1280x800) https://irc.ubports.com/iBEyInc4.png
 @Fuseteam doesn't look like it works?
 yeah you need to switch to the postgress user
 man, I missed that side-stage 😄
 @TartanSpartan [@Fuseteam doesn't look like it works?], can you check if su is available?
 Yes it is.
 In UT I mean.
 and in libertine's root shell?
 @Javacookies [man, I missed that side-stage 😄], Yeah it is essential for me to approximate a poweruser environment for stuff like this in the (hopefully temporary) absence of my laptop.
 Check if su is in there you mean?
 @TartanSpartan [Check if su is in there you mean?], yes
 try `su - postgress`
 [Edit] try `su - postgres`
 I run `sudo su` after doing the `bin/bash` instruction to Libertine, and it says permission denied for `sudo su`.
 Huh, `su: invalid option -- 'o'`
 you are already root in libertine right?
 Oh wait I did that with the dash joined to the second word.
 Yessir.
 `su - postgres` gives some output:
 dramatic pause
 `No directory, logging in with HOME=/ … (stuff about sudo) … initctl: unable to determin sessions`
 [Edit] ```No directory, logging in with HOME=/ … (stuff about sudo) … initctl: unable to determin sessions```
 And the user now says `phablet@ubuntu-phabletL/$`
 oh maybe the postgres user wasn't created
 and now i'm not even sure unprivileged chroots even support users 🤔
 then again phablet does exist in libertine iirc
 [Edit] then again phablet does exist in libertine iirc
 It still returns stuff like `psql: command not found` :(
 Yeah I've been wondering that myself.
 Ok it looks like I'll have to install Postgres to UT itself? As said before I'm quite comfortable with that prospect.
 It shouldn't mess with the rest of the webdev environment I have installed in the container.
 yeah it looks like that's the quikest way right now
 tho i'm not sure if postgress will be accessible from within libertine
 you can easily reflash via installer without losing data in case you break anyway, so go ahead 😄
 @TartanSpartan [Yeah but that would still entail installing Postgres on the UT file system, righ …], you can use postgres in libertine. you just can't use sudo
 Can you give a quick rundown of how please Rodney?
 @Fuseteam [tho i'm not sure if postgress will be accessible from within libertine], That would be fine with me, just using them in tandem.
 you will have to adjust commands and such from tutorials such that they work inside an unprivileged container without sudo
 @dohbee [you will have to adjust commands and such from tutorials such that they work ins …], so what would he have to do instead of `sudo -i -u postgres`
 that's the current bottleneck
 maybe this? https://www.endpoint.com/blog/2013/06/12/installing-postgresql-without-root
 i'm pretty sure you can just skip that and do things without logging in as "postgres" user
 the container is unprivileged; meaning everything is owned by the `phablet` user already when using the standard shell
 @Fuseteam [yeah it looks like that's the quikest way right now], It does sound like this is the case, so I'll run with that for now in the interest of time constraints.
 @TartanSpartan [It does sound like this is the case, so I'll run with that for now in the intere …], looks like you should be about to skip the `sudo -i -u postgress` command
 @TartanSpartan [It does sound like this is the case, so I'll run with that for now in the intere …], [Edit] looks like you should be about to skip the `sudo -i -u postgress` command fwiw
 @TartanSpartan [It does sound like this is the case, so I'll run with that for now in the intere …], [Edit] looks like you should be about to skip the `sudo -i -u postgress` command in libertine fwiw
 @TartanSpartan [It does sound like this is the case, so I'll run with that for now in the intere …], [Edit] looks like you should be about to skip the `sudo -i -u postgress` command in libertine fwiw: https://t.me/ubports/334694
 I didn't seem to get any useful output in either terminal, though, running commands for the tool.
 Anywho I'm going with installing it on the main filesystem, I think this should be fine for my purposes.
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 Hello there folks. I've been thinking about Nexus 5 and its antediluvian linux core. Is there any way to update this core to linux kernel 5 or this phone just incompatible at all?
 Touch wood it seems to be going fine so far.
 @JustTheOtherOne [Hello there folks. I've been thinking about Nexus 5 and its antediluvian linux c …], sorry, what?
 @JustTheOtherOne [Hello there folks. I've been thinking about Nexus 5 and its antediluvian linux c …], anted— what?
 but no, the goal of UBports Foundation isn't to convert Android devices to mainline kernels
 @Fuseteam [anted— what?], linux core v3
 very old
 if you want mainline traditional distro, you might want to try postmarketOS
 Android devices have binary blobs that only work with specific kernel versions
 ah right we use the android kernel to ensure hardware compatiblity, the mainline kernel does cover as much as the hardware as the android kernel does atm
 [Edit] ah right we use the android kernel to ensure hardware compatiblity, the mainline kernel does cover NOT as much as the hardware as the android kernel does atm
 [Edit] ah right we use the android kernel to ensure hardware compatiblity, the mainline kernel does cover NOT as much of the hardware as the android kernel does atm
 TIL "anteduvilian“ 😆
 [Edit] TIL "antediluvian“ 😆
 Well, I know but there's a problem with these kernels. They're kinda outdated, and I don't know how properly will be working popular basic commands in ubuntu 20.04. And actually I wanna do this (update linux kernel) on my own, but before that, is that even possible?
 @JustTheOtherOne [Well, I know but there's a problem with these kernels. They're kinda outdated, a …], updating the kernel will mean breaking hardware functionality
 so "yes" you can but you will break your install
 [Edit] so "yes" you can but you will break your installation
 @JustTheOtherOne [Well, I know but there's a problem with these kernels. They're kinda outdated, a …], no, it's not a supported thing with Ubuntu Touch
 Erm casual commands are not affected by the kernel version. Subtle differences are there but the commands not working has a very low chance.
 @Fuseteam [so "yes" you can but you will break your installation], Oh, lovely. Even configuring kernel with advanced drivers?
 if you want the latest and traditional linux distro on your phone, you should look at postmarketOS
 or maybe mobian or manjaro arm
 @JustTheOtherOne [Oh, lovely. Even configuring kernel with advanced drivers?], you can't configure the kernel with drivers that don't exist
 @JustTheOtherOne [Oh, lovely. Even configuring kernel with advanced drivers?], there are no kernel drivers for most of the hardware android device that's the challenge
 I know them, I've tried, also outdated kernel
 @Fuseteam [there are no kernel drivers for most of the hardware android device that's the c …], Ah, sweet!
 @JustTheOtherOne [Oh, lovely. Even configuring kernel with advanced drivers?], [Edit] there are no kernel drivers for most of the hardware android device that's the challenge
 or just buy a pinephone if you want a fully mainline experience
 @JustTheOtherOne [Ah, sweet!], also ubuntu touch will be updated to 20.04 is the coming months eitherway, including on the nexus 5
 yes, but not with 5.x kernel
 PinePhone is the best bet if you want a truly updated kernel.
 if you want 5.x kernel, get a PinePhone or build pmOS or something with newer kernel and enjoy your device not having fully working hardware
 i would say, enjoy fixing the hardware xD
 @Geld - internet-landlords.xyz [LG Nexus 5 D821 … Will do?], I would say that storage is more than enough. I have anbox installed with 10 apps and another 10 apps from the open store and I still have 10.4G free storage in my Nexus 5.
 I have been testing and adapting my use cases with UT. It's been a pleasure this far. UT is a lot of fun and easy. I can't get over myself about how easy it is to connect to my TV and do some browsing, texting, and typing some text with my favorite keyboard and mouse.
 I have setup syncthing to make some documents and photos available between my devices and as a form of backup. UT also makes it so easy to access documents over the local network. The UT file manager is refreshingly powerful. It just works.
 Could someone tell me where the note app stores it's data. I want to use synchthing to copy or syncthe notes with another device. Thanks!
 @JustTheOtherOne [Well, I know but there's a problem with these kernels. They're kinda outdated, a …], There is no reasoning in wasting time with updating a kernel, thereby loosing support for a lot of hardware enablement, which will eventually lead to a "WiFi tablet" thingie without proper modem, sensors GPS etc. Bluetooth might still wo
[21:49] <ubptgbot> rk too. But thats not what we want to have. So yes, kernel for nexus 5 is old but so is the device. Newer Android devices have kernel 4.4, still not that great, but absolutely Ok. … Also, Linux kernel in general is not so important for userspace applications. "Popular basic commands" will all work in 20.04 I would assume
 Can anyone tell me why the app drawer is so stuttery on the VollaPhone in comparison to other scrolling actions on the phone? Even Launcher modular seems to perform better as long as the Background isn't transparent. It doesn't really bother me to much but I wondered what causes this.
 havent noticed on dev