[06:09] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[06:20] <duflu> Hi oSoMoN 
[06:23] <oSoMoN> hey duflu 
[06:45] <KGB-0> mutter ubuntu/master Daniel van Vugt * [open] merge request !71: Revert "debian/patches: Properly handle configuration events on windows" * https://deb.li/3zTvn
[07:01] <didrocks> good morning
[07:14] <ricotz> good morning desktopers!
[07:14] <duflu> Morning didrocks and ricotz 
[07:23] <didrocks> hey duflu, ricotz 
[08:02] <Laney> sup
[08:04] <duflu> Hi Laney
[08:11] <seb128> goood morning desktopers
[08:11] <Laney> hey duflu seb128 
[08:11] <Laney> how's it going?
[08:12] <oSoMoN> good morning didrocks, ricotz, Laney, seb128 
[08:14] <didrocks> hey Laney, salut oSoMoN & seb128 
[08:15] <Laney> \o oSoMoN didrocks 
[08:15] <Laney> what's up with yous?
[08:15] <didrocks> nothing special, writing tests, as usual after FF :)
[08:16] <didrocks> you?
[08:17] <seb128> hey Laney, oSoMoN, didrocks, how are you?
[08:17] <didrocks> good good, you?
[08:18] <oSoMoN> been having a morning coffee with school dads after dropping my daughters at school today, that's a brilliant way to start the day :)
[08:19] <Laney> doing <thing> with <other people>
[08:20] <Laney> sounds weird to me 😬
[08:20] <oSoMoN> yeah, that's what makes it feel so good, really
[08:21] <seb128> coffee with people, that remind me of the past world!
[08:21] <seb128> I hope we get that again one day here :-/
[08:22] <Laney> yeah i'm alright
[08:22] <Laney> hoping for proper spring to come back
[08:23] <seb128> we had frozen snow showers every day since the weekend, what a weird start of april...
[08:24] <duflu> Hi seb128 
[08:24] <seb128> it's not going over 8°C this week, 3°C at night
[08:24] <seb128> brrrrr
[08:24] <seb128> hey duflu!
[08:25] <didrocks> -3 here this morning
[08:26] <Nafallo> morning
[08:27] <Nafallo> damn... seb128 can sleep outside already! :-D
[08:28] <seb128> 😲
[09:22] <seb128> so how does one get access to an armhf env nowadays since the canonicalstack images don't start?
[09:23] <Laney> lxd on arm64
[09:23] <Laney> that's what I use anyways
[09:24] <seb128> let me try that, hopefully it's easy enough to set up
[09:25] <seb128> some days it feels like the world is moving in the wrong direction, should $things get easier with time?
[09:26] <Nafallo> depends on the thing :-)
[09:26] <Nafallo> 32-bit is definately not gonna get easier ;-)
[09:27] <Laney> not more than init lxd; lxd launch ubuntu-daily:h/armhf or whatever
[09:27] <seb128> it used to be 'ssh to porter box', then became 'spawn a canonicalstack instance, ssh to it', now it's 'set up an arm64 instance, ssh to it, set up lxd, shell into that'
[09:27] <Laney> definitely easier than that was a few years ago :p
[09:28] <seb128> a few year ago it was ssh porter-armhf; chroot; work :p
[09:28] <Laney> chroot
[09:28] <Laney> OMG why does that work? oh someone else installed $package and I didn't notice
[09:28] <Laney> why do we all share the same environment wHYYYYYYYYYYYYYY how do I get a clean one
[09:28] <seb128> it was good enough for what I need now
[09:28] <Laney> those were my thoughts anyway :p
[09:29] <seb128> but yeah, some things are cleaner
[09:29] <seb128> some are getting more difficult
[09:29] <seb128> I often have the simple needs where things were easier :p
[09:29] <Laney> Debian's porterboxes are more like what you want
[09:29] <Nafallo> seb128: I'm sure you'll love quantum when that will actually be a thing ;-)
[09:30] <Laney> that's ssh to a shared machine, start a new clean chroot, hack away
[09:30] <Laney> but you can't like install custom versions of dependencies still
[09:31] <Laney> Nafallo: we're speaking to the person who ran i386 until like 2 years ago 😱 :D
[09:31] <seb128> no worry, I'm trying to move forward with the openstack + lxd way
[09:31] <seb128> it's just annoying to have a second layer of indirection to copy things to or from
[09:31] <seb128> rather than being able to just scp directly to the target
[09:32] <Laney> you can do the same thing with sbuild/schroot if you want, then the home dir can be made available
[09:34] <Laney> or there's lxc file push/pull or making the home dir available to the container, but maybe you don't want to know about that right now :>
[09:34] <Nafallo> Laney: oooh. he was still on the HP Mini? ;-)
[09:34] <Nafallo> that's actually what I changed to when I did my laptop refresh while I was still at Canonical :-P
[09:35] <Nafallo> the weight ratio was pretty sweet when you ran around data centers and only needed a terminal :-)
[09:35] <seb128> Laney, I'm doing lxc file push/pull for now, it's just one more step. Scp to the arm64 instance, then ssh, then lxc file, but thanks for the help
[09:35] <Laney> heh
[09:35] <Laney> Nafallo: all I remember is that it was steam/coal powered
[09:36] <Nafallo> HAHA
[09:36] <Nafallo> hmm. I'll go look :-P
[09:38] <Nafallo> output: 19.5V / 2.05A = 9.51W
[09:42] <ricotz> this equation looks bogus ;)
[09:43] <seb128> Failed to discover available identity versions when contacting https://keystone.bos01.canonistack.canonical.com:5000/v3. Attempting to parse version from URL.
[09:43] <seb128> Service Unavailable (HTTP 503)
[09:43] <seb128> not my lucky day I guess
[09:44]  * seb128 just wanted to poke at that webkit2gtk/balsa/armhf failure
[09:44] <ricotz> seb128, hi, would you be available for a vala upload?
[09:45] <seb128> ricotz, hey, sure
[09:45] <ricotz> seb128, great, I will start working on it
[10:09] <seb128> shrug, balsa tests work fine in that lxc instance with the proposed packages :/
[10:09] <seb128> I did another retry, in case...
[10:12] <Laney> if it's autopkgtest then I personally would run autopkgtest rather than trying to do it manually
[10:12] <Laney> you should get the same set of packages then
[10:14] <Laney> should look at glib2.0 I guess :|
[10:14] <Laney> :|:|:|:|
[10:32] <seb128> Laney, I did try with hirsute then upgraded webkit to proposed then dist-upgraded, it's still working
[10:32] <seb128> but yeah, if that retry fails I will try to see how to use autopkgtest instead
[10:32] <Laney> nod
[10:32] <seb128> glib vs flatpak :/
[10:33] <seb128> would be nice if debian has setups that allowed to run those tests
[10:53] <seb128> grrrrrr, retry failed :-/
[10:59] <Laney> :(
[11:12] <apw> are we aware of 'right menu' issues in gnome-terminal near the bottom of a monitor in wayland mode ?
[12:21] <seb128> apw, not that I know of no
[13:31] <KGB-0> mutter Marco Trevisan 235217 * commented merge request !71 * https://deb.li/itaVI
[13:31] <KGB-0> mutter ubuntu/master 6ea8693 Daniel van Vugt debian/patches/ series wayland-Only-use-async-configured-geometry-if-actually-ch.patch wayland-window-Correct-detection-whether-to-send-configur.patch wayland-window-Provide-prior-floating-window-dimensions.patch * Revert "debian/patches: Properly handle configuration events on windows" * http
[13:31] <KGB-0> GNOMEs://deb.li/mgj
[13:31] <KGB-0> mutter ubuntu/master Marco Trevisan * [merge] merge request !71: Revert "debian/patches: Properly handle configuration events on windows" * https://deb.li/3zTvn
[13:33] <KGB-0> gnome-shell ubuntu/master 52cc4bb Daniel van Vugt debian/patches/ series layout-Try-to-allocate-before-getting-size-of-tracke.patch * Add layout-Try-to-allocate-before-getting-size-of-tracke.patch * https://deb.li/bolD
[13:33] <KGB-0> gnome-shell ubuntu/master Marco Trevisan * [merge] merge request !48: Add layout-Try-to-allocate-before-getting-size-of-tracke.patch * https://deb.li/fIV4
[13:34] <luna> https://twitter.com/popey/status/1380139900108963848
[13:35] <RikMills> :(
[13:36] <luna> :( yeah kinda sad that Canonical both lost Wimpress and popey but hoping they will stick around in the community and atleast gives us new #ubuntu-podcast episodes every week :) 
[13:36] <seb128> hum
[13:37] <seb128> is there a way to do https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ProposedMigration#Reproducing_tests_in_the_cloud on armhf ?
[13:37] <seb128> autopkgtest doesn't seem to have an arch parameter?
[13:39] <Laney> seb128: use autopkgtest-build-lxd images:ubuntu/hirsute/armhf on your arm64 machine and then -- lxd autopkgtest/ubuntu/hirsute/armhf at the end
[13:39] <seb128> Laney, thanks
[13:43] <Laney> committing a suggestion directly from GitHub's web UI
[13:43] <Laney> the future
[13:43] <seb128> Laney, shrug, I need to start to pay attention, thanks for catching up the typo!
[13:44] <seb128> Laney, I can also amend force push, might be better than having 2 commits for a one line change?
[13:44] <Laney> sure feel free, hides the mistake in the history :p
[13:45] <seb128> lol
[13:45] <Laney> and no worries, that's what reviews are for
[13:45] <Laney> except the previous review should have noticed this
[13:45] <Laney> bad
[13:45] <seb128> hahaha
[13:46] <Laney> we need review reviews clearly
[14:11] <seb128> :-(
[14:11] <seb128> the autopkgtest armhf command fails manually as well
[14:11] <seb128> but doing --shell-fail and ./debian/tests/screenshot in the env it works
[14:11] <seb128> (that's the test that is failing)
[14:12] <seb128> is autopkgtest starting the test in a different way or with a different env or something?
[14:31] <Laney> seb128: root what you get with --shell-fail vs normal user, some AUTOPKGTEST stuff set
[14:31] <seb128> tjaalton, hey, is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/1920096 something we should get uploaded to hirsute? i can sponsor the change if you ack it
[14:34] <seb128> Laney, I can't get it to fail :-(
[14:34] <seb128> I did try to sudo -i -u ubuntu and do the test there, still working
[14:37] <Laney> if you download the source package you can make changes and then test those without needing to rebuild
[14:38] <Laney> pass '.' as the package name and use --no-built-binaries
[14:38] <Laney> might help finding what the difference is
[14:40] <seb128> thx
[14:43] <hellsworth> good morning desktopers
[14:43] <seb128> hey Heather, how are you?
[14:43] <hellsworth> hey seb i'm good. how are you?
[14:44] <seb128> I'm alright!
[14:55] <tjaalton> seb128: it needed a rebase, uploaded now
[14:56] <seb128> tjaalton, thanks!
[14:56] <seb128> tjaalton, you will handle the SRU upload at some point as well?
[14:56] <tjaalton> yes
[14:57] <seb128> great
[15:49] <ricotz> hey hellsworth 
[15:49] <hellsworth> hey ricotz