[00:32] <RoyK> sarnold: what do you mean?
[00:33] <RoyK> sarnold: USA: Deaths per 1M 1861, Norway: Deaths per 1M 122
[00:33] <RoyK> a wee difference there
[00:33] <sarnold> RoyK: the left graph here looks like things are much worse now than february https://graphics.reuters.com/world-coronavirus-tracker-and-maps/countries-and-territories/norway/
[00:34] <sarnold> RoyK: oh yeah, we've fucked this up bad
[00:34] <RoyK> sarnold: yes, it's not good now - all time high on hospitalisation, but apparently not on deaths
[00:35] <RoyK> and btw, you don't have to pay to go to a hospital here ;)
[00:35] <sarnold> RoyK: yeah the doctors have done great work figuring out how to keep people alive, amazing stuff there
[00:35] <sarnold> RoyK: *sigh* sounds so nice :)
[00:36] <RoyK> it's all paid over the tax check, so wether you're rich or poor - it's all free
[00:38] <RoyK> A lady from the US I once dated for a short time, moved to Graz, Austria, and had a wee accident riding a bike. She broke a leg and it was fixed up and so on. She was stunned by having to pay only around $40 for the whole thing. I just shrugged.
[00:39] <sarnold> even as a non-citizen? wow
[00:40] <RoyK> She lived there and paid tax, so somewhat a citizen, yes
[00:40] <RoyK> It's like that in Europe
[00:41] <RoyK> For some stupid reason, she moved back to the US and is now a professor in music at a university
[00:42] <RoyK> usually, if you have a permit of permanent residency, it's all free
[00:42] <RoyK> I guess that varies between countries, though
[00:43] <RoyK> IIRC in Norway, also a temporary residency (if that's what it's called) will suffice
[00:44] <RoyK> sarnold: as once said in a film I quite liked "Welcome… to the real world!" :D
[00:44] <sarnold> lol :D
[00:47] <sarnold> it'd sure be nice to fix things up here but there's probably hundreds of thousands of people if not millions invested in the current mess we've got now
[00:49] <RoyK> did you know that the US government spends more money on heathcare than most European countries and still, people have to pay for it?
[00:49] <RoyK> *healthcare*
[00:50] <RoyK> IMHO that is just money laundery set in a large system
[00:51] <sarnold> and despite paying something like twice as much per capita, we get worse results, too
[00:51] <RoyK> I know
[00:51] <sarnold> some of that is subsidizing drug development for the rest of the world
[00:51] <sarnold> but not all of it
[00:51] <sarnold> probably not even most of it
[00:52] <RoyK> I saw this docu about drug overdoses in the US - the fire department was called - not an ambulance - since the latter wanted payment up front
[00:52] <RoyK> it makes me sick
[00:53] <RoyK> I'm not saying it's perfect over here either - not even close - but I beleive it's a lot better
[00:53] <sarnold> I went on a 'Live PD' binge on youtube a few months? year? who knows how time moves any more.. anyway, yeah, I saw dozens of people turn down medical treatment because they didn't want to be billed for the ambulance ride to the hospital..
[00:54] <RoyK> doesn't surprise me
[00:57] <RoyK> I had an accident - I rode a bicycle - electric one - while drunk - not a good idea - and I broke my leg rather badly. The ambulance came and I had three operations. Later, I fell over at a point and got the pain of hell in that leg. New trip with an ambulance, since I really couldn't walk, another week or so in hospital and so on. I started working again, but I had to get a cab to and from work. The
[00:57] <RoyK> hospital stays cost me zero. The cab rides cost a bit, but mostly covered by the governent.
[00:58] <RoyK> x-rays, CT scans, medicines blabla
[00:58] <sarnold> owwwwww
[00:58] <RoyK> when I first arrived, a nurse asked me if he could bring me something and I asked for a glass of dihydrogenmonoxide
[00:59] <sarnold> :D
[00:59] <RoyK> it took him a few seconds before he frowned and smiled
[01:01] <RoyK> sarnold: tell me if you ever come over here - I'll show you around a bit
[01:01] <sarnold> RoyK: oh yeah! sounds fun :D
[01:06] <RoyK> sarnold: and beleive me - I'm a sworn socialist ;)
[01:07] <sarnold> ooo scary! :)
[01:07] <RoyK> I guess some people in the US thinks that communism, but - well - it's not
[01:08] <RoyK> I don't have a problem with private companies and so on - it's part of the game - but things like hospitals and other important infrastructure shouldn't be private
[01:09] <RoyK> in the UK, they opened up for buying services from private hospitals to help out the queues in public hospitals. Bad idea. Instead of spending that money for public hospitals, they ended up paying way more to private hospitals, resulting in closing down public hospitals and that's a slippery slope
[01:11] <RoyK> The same thing is somehow happening here - but hopefully a bit more slowly. The current govt is quite right-wing (that means perhaps "left-wing" in the US in comparison but whatever), but we have an election soon and hopefully, we'll get them kicked out
[01:13] <sarnold> I'm surprised about the uk private hospitals, I thought they were proud of their nhs
[01:14] <RoyK> they are, but nhs was pressed and purchased a lot of services from private hospitals and it cost so much they had to cut down on their own
[01:15] <RoyK> I'm just hoping we get a good, socialist or socialdemocratic (or a combo of those) govt this autumn. The current one isn't good.
[01:16] <RoyK> Btw, our prime minister is being investigated by the police after holding a party with a lot of people during the pandemic, breaking the law she herself signed for
[01:16] <sarnold> if it's any consolation, it's not so bad that it makes the news regularly :) hehe
[01:16] <RoyK> which is rather nice
[01:16] <sarnold> RoyK: oof
[01:16] <sarnold> why do politicians do that
[01:16] <RoyK> hehe
[01:16] <RoyK> My guess is that they're just people, after all
[01:16] <sarnold> they must be addicted to those parties..
[01:16] <RoyK> She had her 60th birthday and wanted to have some fun
[01:17] <sarnold> well.... okay, that kinda makes sense. but it sends the entirely wrong signal :)
[01:17] <RoyK> indeed
[01:17] <RoyK> Do as I say, not as I do
[01:17] <RoyK> lalala
[01:17] <sarnold> "but the rest of the year I was good"
[01:17] <RoyK> not really
[01:19] <RoyK> but hell - I'm a left-wing - the sort you'll call a bloody communist over there, so I'm disqualified, so to say
[08:31] <maret> Hi all, something has happend with my ubuntu server yesterday evening. Its running on my local pc. When I woke up  and plugged in monitor, it was going to sleep. I couldn't ssh into it, services which have been runniing on it weren't working, but pc seem to run. No clue what happened this are auth.log, syslog and kernel log from yesterday  https://paste.debian.net/1192720/
[08:39] <maret> could it been because of overheating?
[08:44] <maret> + this is output from journalctl https://paste.debian.net/1192723/
[10:39] <RoyK> maret: can't find anything particular interesting there - if this happens again, you might want to setup netconsole to have it dump debug messages to another server in case of a crash. sometimes linux crashes hard before it can write anything to anywhere, perhaps except the console. But again - no OOPS or Panic on the console might mean it got some sort of hard hang. impossible to tell, relly, without
[10:39] <RoyK> anything in the logs
[13:59] <aloini> For the Ubuntu Pro images that are on GCP/AWS/Azure, is there any potential that these will be pushed into Docker Hub?
[14:29] <powersj> aloini, hi - we currently do not have container images for Pro, but it is something we are looking into
[14:35] <leftyfb> what exactly is "Ubuntu Pro"?
[14:40] <rbasak> leftyfb: see page 2 for example at https://assets.ubuntu.com/v1/feafb61c-Ubuntu_Pro_AWS_04.11.19.pdf
[14:40] <rbasak> (via https://ubuntu.com/aws/pro from a quick Google)
[15:10] <RoyK> I'd rather use Debian than paying for Ubuntu ;)
[15:11] <Ravage> but don't you want to get creepy messages from canonical staff after you started your container? that sounds SO fun :D
[15:18] <sdeziel> this is a way to get longer support then what ESM offer (3y with ESM and 5y with Pro) so there's that ;)
[15:55] <xnox> sdeziel:  ESM durations are different for every series.
[15:55] <xnox> sdeziel:  they are not different under UA or under Pro
[15:57] <sdeziel> oh I see, 3y for 1{4,6}.04 and 5y for 18.04+, thanks for the clarification xnox
[15:57] <rbasak> Ravage: you might be interested to read https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-motd/ubuntu-motd/trunk/changes/89?start_revid=89
[18:33] <RoyK> sdeziel: IIRC it was five years for 1[46].04 as well, but never for the non-lts versions. Those were 3Y or so at a time - now they're only a few months.
[18:34] <sdeziel> RoyK: according to https://ubuntu.com/security/esm : "Ubuntu 14.04 (Trusty Tahr) and 16.04 (Xenial Xerus) will have updates  provided for up to three years after the end of the Standard Security  Maintenance window. Ubuntu 18.04 (Bionic Beaver) and subsequent releases  until further announcement will have ESM updates provided for up to  five years."
[18:39] <sarnold> RoyK: the non-lts releases were supported for 18 months before 13.04, when it moved to nine months: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases
[18:48] <RoyK> sdeziel: That's 5+3
[18:49] <RoyK> sarnold: I know - just didn't remember the exact numbers
[18:50] <RoyK> sarnold: but thanks for the update - I generally don't use non-LTS unless I feel lucky or want to test something new in a VM
[18:50] <RoyK> but again - feeling lucky usually has its downsides :þ
[18:51] <sarnold> RoyK: hehe, yeah, most of my machines are on LTS releases too :)
[18:51] <RoyK> honestly, most of mine are debian by now, but that's swearing in church, so I won't bother you ;)
[18:52] <sarnold> yeah, I keep hearing that from friends