[13:39] Alan Pope is leaving Canonical after this month [13:55] huh, i wonder why. [13:57] He was on snapcraft. I can't imagine a position more like pushing a boulder uphill than that. [13:58] canonicals internal use of snap for paying clients has been very successful AFAICT [13:59] paying clients [13:59] not sure about user uptick [14:01] I could be biased in my assessment though [14:01] s/could/am/ [14:01] erm, s/could be/am/ [14:02] oh, i am too. i strongly dislike snap. [14:03] i dont' even use LXC anymore, because it went snap only. [14:03] This is why I'm on 18.04 [14:03] 20.04 was just snap-happy [14:03] yup. [14:04] popos is pretty great at getting the snap out IIRC [14:46] cool. I might have to check it out [14:46] I'm nto sure I'm ready for 100% Debian but if that's what it takes... [15:16] Ignore snap, embrace flatpak [15:20] exactly.