[02:13] <Trybble> how can I install the amdgpu drivers in Ubuntu 20.04? Not amdgpu-pro.
[02:21] <sarnold> I think just running ubuntu-drivers install   should do the right thing for your system
[02:22] <Trybble> Hey sarnold. I have the radeon drivers installed currently but want to move to the amdgpu ones as they are required for a few programs I want to run. Any suggestions?
[02:22] <Bashing-om> Trybble: AMD drivers are in the kernel - see ' man amdgpu '.
[02:28] <Trybble> Thanks Bashing-om it looks like I'm using the Radeon driver rather than those. Is there a way to switch over?
[02:30] <Bashing-om> Trybble: The kernel will load the correct driver for your card. From the man page can you confirm that the card supports the ampgpu driver ?
[02:35] <Trybble> It's very generic. "SUPPORTED HARDWARE: The amdgpu driver supports SI and newer families' video cards."
[02:36] <Trybble> Maybe I'm going about this the wrong way. I want to use some form of overclocking for my Radeon R9 280 but everything seems to need amdgpu
[02:38] <Bashing-om> Trybble: No idea of overclocking AMD cards - see thoguh if : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AMDGPU-Driver helps.
[02:39] <Bashing-om> though*
[02:39] <Trybble> thank you!
[03:19] <cpjulia> hello, can anyone help me with a kurento issue?
[03:19] <Liowenex> Maybe
[03:19] <Liowenex> Tell us what the issue iw
[03:19] <Liowenex> Is*
[03:19] <cpjulia> thanks for the reply, I'm having a hard time trying to stream from rtp to webrtc, even though I was able to stream rtsp
[03:20] <cpjulia> I'm building an application which displays cameras (either rtp/rtsp based) on a video wall, using kurento do map them to webrtc
[03:20] <cpjulia> *to
[03:24] <cpjulia> any thoughts would be much appreciated
[04:55] <pi0> i installed a few fonts to use in gimp
[04:55] <pi0> but now when i launch my apps i get this https://i.imgur.com/8GYl99d.png
[04:55] <pi0> not sure how to restore to original
[05:49] <pi0> any suggestions on the font
[06:06] <overclucker> pi0: haha, pretty sure I've used that as default font before.
[06:10] <makara1> sarnold: yes i think its resolved
[06:11] <pi0> how do i resolve that
[06:12] <pi0> sorry not sure how to reverse
[06:20] <overclucker> pi0: most of the recent guides I just looked at suggested installing gnome tweak. I tested it a moment ago, and you can cjange font with it.
[06:22] <pi0> i tried tweak but that did not work
[06:24] <overclucker> is the font only in eclipse? looks sort of like eclipse, haha
[06:26] <gjaekel> I don't know how to solve a package conflict on the task of a release update from Ubuntu-18 to Ubuntu-20, because I'm not familiar with the Debian-like apt package framework. The do-release-upgrade fails in a controlled way during the checks. From the logs, I'm able to recognize a dependency problem. But I don't know how to solve this in a
[06:26] <gjaekel> "constructive" way. I want to avoid things like installing from the scratch. Somebody with good skill here willing to help me?
[06:27] <mrkubax10> can you send logs to paste.ubuntu.com?
[06:27] <mrkubax10> and put link here
[06:30] <gjaekel> mrkubax10: I have prepared the first log already yesterday but have to stop here for other reasons. Providing the others takes some minutes because it's on another machine. http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/yp7s8dDdhj/
[06:30] <gjaekel> mrkubax10 Thank you for support!
[06:31] <mrkubax10> no problem
[06:32] <mrkubax10> try using command sudo apt install --fix-broken
[06:34] <gjaekel> mrkubax10 These simple things I already have try without any success.
[06:36] <gjaekel> mrkubax10: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/cM6ZsVhVWW/
[06:36] <gjaekel> mrkubax10: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/YSR3cWTMNN/
[06:37] <mrkubax10> "ERROR Dist-upgrade failed: 'Broken packages after upgrade: colord'" this seems to be problem
[06:38] <gjaekel> mrkubax10: 2021-04-08 11:37:40,919 ERROR Dist-upgrade failed: 'Broken packages after upgrade: colord'
[06:38] <gjaekel> mrkubax10: We cross-over :)
[06:39] <gjaekel> mrkubax10: And now the question: How to solve this?
[06:40] <mrkubax10> I have found this post on askubuntu. It may help: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1281969/ubuntu-20-04-1-upgrade-failure-error-dist-upgrade-failed-broken-packages-aft
[06:40] <ducasse> gjaekel: are you using any third party repos/ppas?
[06:41] <gjaekel> They get all disabled by the do-release-upgrade
[06:42] <gjaekel> ducasse: Thank you, also.
[06:43] <gjaekel> mrkubax10: I already know this kind posts. They deliver no solution.
[06:46] <gjaekel> mrkubax10: I'm using Unix since about 35years. I have good Linux knowledge, but not concerning Debian. I'm using Gentoo in general, but Ubuntu for my private Laptop and Desktop PC's to ease maintenance.
[06:47] <overclucker> good news is ubuntu-desktop isn't critical.
[06:47] <gjaekel> mrkubax10: If I uninstall colord by the standard way, it will uninstall the whole Desktop environment. That's not the way I want to go.
[06:48] <gjaekel> overclucker: Please explain this to me !!!
[06:48] <mrkubax10> So you are using unix and linux longer than me...
[06:48] <gjaekel> @mkkubax10
[06:49] <gjaekel> mrkubax10: Probably because I'm older than you :)
[06:50] <ducasse> gjaekel: i know the get disabled, but installed packages can still mess up the upgrade
[06:52] <mrkubax10> I was trying to update Ubuntu 19.04 to 19.10 one day and I was getting kernel panic while system was loading so maybe better idea will be to do fresh installation of 20.04
[06:52] <gjaekel> overclucker: Will uninstalling ubuntu-desktop don't purge hundreds of applications?
[06:54] <gjaekel> mrkubax10 Sorry, but I don't want to discuss about X-Y-solutions. Of course, this is a way and evaluating this just in this moments.
[06:55] <mrkubax10> Uninstalling ubuntu-desktop seems to not delete other applications on my machine.
[06:55] <gjaekel> BTW: This is an upgrade from Ubuntu-16 to Ubuntu-20. And this already work on two other machines. I just don't want to loose this tons of individual fine-tuning on system and the different user accounts.
[06:56] <overclucker> gjaekel: nothing important you cant reinstall. you can get the list by doing apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop and then NOT pressing enter or Y
[06:57] <gjaekel> mrkubax10: Sounds interesting. Will try to check this.
[06:58] <ducasse> if you have ppas installed you need to purge them before upgrading
[06:58] <ducasse> if you're getting dependency errors that is the likeliest cause
[07:01] <gjaekel> ducasse: Purging means to disable it in the "source.list.d" or to uninstall this packages?
[07:03] <ducasse> uninstall packages and removing from sources - check the package ppa-purge
[07:03] <gjaekel> root@ovonel:~# apt remove ubuntu-desktop --simulate
[07:03] <gjaekel> Reading package lists... Done
[07:03] <gjaekel> Building dependency tree
[07:03] <gjaekel> Reading state information... Done
[07:03] <gjaekel> The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:
[07:03] <gjaekel>   fonts-noto-color-emoji gir1.2-gmenu-3.0 gnome-getting-started-docs gnome-initial-setup gnome-shell-extension-appindicator
[07:04] <overclucker> oof
[07:05] <gjaekel> overclucker: already to long to paste here?
[07:06] <overclucker> yup...
[07:06] <gjaekel> Sorry.
[07:06] <overclucker> no, it was fun to watch
[07:07] <gjaekel> BTW: This installations are using Unity as desktop.
[07:08] <mrkubax10> Maybe removing ubuntu-desktop doesn't delete other programs on my PC because I'm using Ubuntu 20.04
[07:09] <gjaekel> You suggest to uninstall ubuntu-desktop, try to do-release-update and install some packages afterwards to restore "something?"
[07:09] <overclucker> gjaekel: not exactly my point
[07:11] <overclucker> gjaekel: dependenciey conflicts can be crippling, if say glibc or something critical gets removed triying to fix it
[07:12] <overclucker> you probably still need to at least temporarily remove ppas from your sources before you can fix this
[07:14] <gjaekel> overclucker This apt framework seems to be more problematic as the package managers I'm used to deal with. The concept of additional ppa's seems to be not well-integrated.#
[07:15] <overclucker> gjaekel: this is basically the reason snap is now preferred
[07:16] <gjaekel> overclucker Or maybe this is more general to the difference between binary distributions and source code distributions.
[07:17] <gjaekel> overclucker: This is a "solution" taking a loot of costs on not-very-up-to-date machines.
[07:17] <gjaekel> @overclu
[07:19] <gjaekel> overclucker (Damn, this web irc client is annoying) Thank you for your suggestions. I may compare the installed ppas on "this" machine with the other which are already at Ubuntu-20, now.
[07:19] <overclucker> gjaekel: well, you are release upgrading, it would be strange for old software to still work
[07:21] <gjaekel> overclucker From the point of the end user, I expect this is also updated in a seamless way!
[07:23] <gjaekel> I can't understand why the release update *disable* the things in source.lists.d, this will force exactly this, IMHO.
[07:27] <gjaekel> OK so far. Thank you a lot for discussion and provided suggestions. I have to leave now for an appointment and check it out later-on.
[07:30] <overclucker> alright, see ya
[08:16] <jatt> with 21.04  pipewire is running: https://dpaste.com/H75XZ8G36
[08:16] <jatt> but also pulseaudio is running: https://dpaste.com/3GAN2CV2B
[08:16] <jatt> which one is being used in this case? pipewire, pulseaudio, both?
[08:18] <Lantizia> jatt, eek - afaik pipewire is meant to be a replacement for pulseaudio - not work alongside
[08:19] <jatt> this is on a box that was upgraded from 20.10 to 21.04
[08:19] <fasdf> Hello. I have question. Is there any application, that let's you lock the computer but one application? I know that browser doesn't make much sense, because you can probably browse your filesystem, but you got the idea.
[08:19] <jatt> I guess pulseaudio would need to be removed explicitly?
[08:20] <Lantizia> fasdf, sounds like you want a "kiosk" mode for your browser... use that term in your search and you should find some helpful plugins to do what you want
[08:20] <Lantizia> jatt, I can only guess so... I only stick to LTS releases myself
[08:22] <fasdf> That's probably what I'm looking for, thanks.
[08:54] <ruenoak> jatt: Ubuntu 21.04 comes with pipewire support but not sure if its default
[08:56] <ruenoak> jatt: Have a look here, https://lwn.net/Articles/849639/
[09:14] <maoma> Hello guys, is there any app to automate the deployment of new Ubuntu installations like with Clobber?
[09:17] <ikonia> maoma: the debian installer can do it
[09:21] <CorvusCorax> Hi. I need to install a package with "apt-get source --compile <pkg>" ... issue is the machine has many CPU cores and runs out of memory during build. I could prevent that by limiting the number of concurrent build threads when I say "dpkg-buildpackage -J 4" for example -- but apt-get source --compile does not specify such a limit and uses all available cores causing out-of-memory kills.  Is there an ENV variable or flag to
[09:21] <CorvusCorax> apt-get source to pass options to dpkg-buildpackage ?
[09:24] <CorvusCorax> ( did I just ask my question during a netsplit? )
[09:25] <clarkk> on ubuntu 20.04, after a few days of my system running, with vmware also running, I get a couple of hundred vmware audio devices listed in settings. I can't find a shell command that lists these devices. I've tried pactl list short modules.  Does anyone have any other ideas?
[09:26] <clarkk> See this screenshot https://www.dropbox.com/s/jc3qug7d8k7n34n/Selection_262.png?dl=0
[09:52] <certaindestiny> Hi all, I am trying to change the "pretty" name of a couple of USB capture cards. currently i am assuming the v4l gets the pretty name from an udev attribute and i am trying to change it when plugging in the device. However it is not working. I am trying to change the attrs{product}= to something of my choosing on a parent device. i am succesfull
[09:52] <certaindestiny> of chaing env{id_model_enc} with these rules but seem not to be able to for the parent. Any help is much appreciated as i have been stuck here for a couple of days now https://pastebin.com/jHjrwg29
[09:56] <syb0rg> Is there an officially supported way in Ubuntu 20.04 to use a newer kernel? I would prefer to be on at least kernel 5.7
[09:57] <ogra> 20.04 should get a new HWE kernel with the next point release (backported from 21.04)
[09:58] <ogra> (that should be 5.11 then)
[09:58] <syb0rg> nice, ogra! Is there a scheduled release date or rough timeframe?
[09:59] <luna> August if i remember correcltly
[09:59] <ogra> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FocalFossa/ReleaseSchedule
[09:59] <luna> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FocalFossa/ReleaseSchedule
[09:59] <luna> ah ogra was faster
[09:59] <ogra> heh
[09:59] <syb0rg> just barely :-)
[10:00] <syb0rg> well that sounds fine to me, I can hold out that long
[10:01] <jeremy31> syb0rg: If it is Ubuntu desktop it should have updated to 5.8
[10:01] <ogra> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack
[10:01] <ogra> that has more info about hwe kernels
[10:02] <syb0rg> jeremy31, I am fairly certain this particular machine I installed ubuntu server on, then a DE. That is probably why I am on 5.4. Perhaps my real question should be what packages I should replace/is that an option
[10:03] <jeremy31> syb0rg: Look at the link from ogra, it shows what commands to use on server
[10:03] <syb0rg> ah perfect
[10:03] <ogra> yep
[10:11]  * TJ- is wondering if there are any ubuntu devs 'interested' in the systemd mkosi package
[11:10] <steeltowndude> hey everyone, is it cool if I ask a hopefully simple question on a small issue I have with installing something?
[11:12] <lotuspsychje> ask away steeltowndude
[11:14] <steeltowndude> I started installing virtualbox and came to an agreement screen, but I had no clue how to actually accept it. turns out I just had to tab to select <ok> and hit enter. anyways, I'm dumb and closed it but the process is still running. I can pull up the agreement in terminal but don't actually know how to accept it now
[11:16] <steeltowndude> it first came up in like a text editor window in terminal
[11:43] <steeltowndude> Ok cool so I got logged out I guess so if anyone actually answered my question I can't see it lol
[11:45] <Maik> no one answered and if needed, this channel is logged so you can always look it up
[11:46] <steeltowndude> Nice thanks for the heads up, I haven't used IRC in like 12 years now haha
[11:47] <Maik> nothing changed so you should know how it works :)
[11:47] <TJ-> steeltowndude: are you saying the original, text user interface agreement is showing in a Terminal shell ?
[11:48] <Maik> steeltowndude: here's the link to the logs if needed: https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/
[11:48] <viktor_> hi all. i installed a new SDD in my laptop. First installed Windoze, and afterwards cloned both boot partition and main partition into empty partitions on the free space. But i have to go into the BIOS boot manager to boot Kubuntu. How do I make it dual boot?
[11:48] <TJ-> steeltowndude: Where are you installing from? I don't recall seeing such an agreement prompt when installing from the archives
[11:50] <steeltowndude> from the ubuntu repositories
[11:50] <steeltowndude> with the sudo apt install virtualbox virtualbox-ext-pack commant
[11:52] <steeltowndude> TJ- It was the PUEL
[11:56] <viktor_> or maybe i just need to update the bootloader?
[11:57] <TJ-> steeltowndude: I asked one of my people that installed VB a while back and he couldn't recall being prompted
[11:58] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[11:58] <luna> hey
[11:58] <Maik> good afternoon BluesKaj
[11:59] <BluesKaj> asternoon Maik
[11:59] <BluesKaj> asternoon even :-)
[11:59] <steeltowndude> I suppose a better question for me to ask might just be, how do I just purge the process and start over?
[11:59] <BluesKaj> af
[12:04] <rory> steeltowndude, try to run "sudo apt-get -f install" - just that command with no extra argument.
[12:04] <rory> argument on the CLI that is. Feel free to argue with me.
[12:05] <rory> steeltowndude may also/instead have to run this command: sudo dpkg --configure -a
[12:05] <steeltowndude> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock-frontend. It is held by process 4493 (apt)
[12:05] <steeltowndude> N: Be aware that removing the lock file is not a solution and may break your system.
[12:05] <steeltowndude> E: Unable to acquire the dpkg frontend lock (/var/lib/dpkg/lock-frontend), is another process using it?
[12:06] <lotuspsychje> reboot
[12:06] <rory> sudo killall apt
[12:06] <rory> sudo rm /var/lib/dpkg/lock-frontend     (after killing apt)
[12:06] <rory> or reboot yeah lol
[12:07] <viktor_> BluesKaj: Good evening
[12:07] <BluesKaj> hey viktor_
[12:07] <rory> btw to accept the agreement you just have to hold Down arrow until you get to the bottom, then use Tab to select Accept and hit Enter.
[12:08] <steeltowndude> the obvious solution lmao. guess I figured the process would still be stuck in limbo if I rebooted
[12:08] <rory> try "fg" command maybe it's actually still running in the background if you used ctrl-Z that would be the case
[12:08] <steeltowndude> yeah I know that now, seems so obvious but I was confused since it was in terminal lol
[12:08] <rory> if you used ctrl-c or otherwise closed the terminal, ignore me
[12:17] <ruimonteiro> a little od debian can help resolve problems in ubuntu
[12:18] <ruimonteiro>  basically is a better debian with more easy options
[12:18] <ruimonteiro> synaptic can help lot in a scenario of loss of possible control of ubuntu server
[12:19] <ruimonteiro> 3 years with ubuntu in Amazon configuration EC2 .'.
[12:19] <ruimonteiro> Able Tare Fare
[12:19] <ruimonteiro> trust
[12:26] <rory> I know they owe me nothing but I like when people rejoin after their issue got fixed. When people leave and I just have to assume that it worked, I get no closure :(
[12:30] <Maik> !discuss | ruimonteiro
[14:02] <Deano59> !isitoutyet
[14:02] <Deano59> Omg, just update it!
[14:02] <Deano59> :(
[14:03] <rory> It's mostly only relevant on release day
[14:03] <rory> when lots of people like to come here and ask "is it out yet" ?
[14:04] <rory> there is no chance of 21.04 being released early as a surprise, don't worry.
[14:15] <leftyfb> Deano59: it's schedule date is the 22nd. 2 weeks from now. Feel free to hang out in #ubuntu-release-party on the 22nd and bug the bot.
[14:16] <leftyfb> Deano59: also, as you were told back in October, you can '/msg ubottu !isitoutyet'
[14:24] <Maik> sigh, the same as yesterday leftyfb? This is getting annoying.
[14:25] <Maik> it has been explained before to him, not sur why he keeps nagging about it.
[14:26] <ptah> Maik who?
[14:26] <Maik> ptah: doesn't matter, was something before you joined the channel
[14:27] <ptah> ok
[14:27] <ptah> i thought it was about me
[14:27] <ptah> heh
[14:35] <Truk> HI, i hava  a dual boot issue
[14:35] <Truk> have*
[14:36] <Truk> i have a "default boot device missing or boot failed dual boot" error after i opened and closed my laptop. Seagate seatools sees my ssd hard drive, i launched some tests and they were ok. I have a Lenovo Yoga 2 laptop, i had installed a dual boot windows 10 and Ubuntu, with refind as a grub. But not lately after this dual boot installation, refind
[14:36] <Truk> didnt appear anymore. Now i dont know how to repair the grub, if anyone can help me.
[14:56] <RoseBus> i added user to group www-data but still getting permission denied when trying to write to /var/www
[14:56] <ptah> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[14:56] <ikonia> what is the file system permission
[14:56] <ikonia> ptah: please don't
[14:56] <ptah> ok
[14:59] <RoseBus> ikonia, var/www is drwxr-xr-x  3 root root
[14:59] <RoseBus> should i chown to root:www-data?
[15:00] <leftyfb> !permissions | RoseBus
[15:00] <leftyfb> RoseBus: no. But you could do g+w
[15:00] <RoseBus> adding write perms to the group
[15:01] <ikonia> RoseBus: so there you go, only root has access
[15:01] <leftyfb> RoseBus: personally, I would keep the user in their /home/$USER and bind mount something like /var/www/html/user to /home/$USER/www and work with that
[15:02] <RoseBus> i'm trying to set up a static dir for my django server, running gunicorn as a service
[15:03] <RoseBus> for manage.py collectstatic to work, user needs to be able to write to /var/www
[15:04] <ikonia> the file system permissions on /var/www looks odd
[15:04] <ikonia> is it meant to be root:root by default ?
[15:04] <RoseBus> idk it's a ubuntu linode server
[15:04] <leftyfb> ikonia: I've given them 2 solutions already
[15:04] <RoseBus> it came like this
[15:05] <RoseBus> leftyb g+w would work even if the directory is owned by root:root?
[15:06] <leftyfb> RoseBus: you should be using subdirectories under /var/www. But sure, go ahead and change the group to www-data
[15:10] <RoseBus> yes, i'm using a subdirectory in /var/www/static
[15:10] <RoseBus> i chowned it to root:www-data and then i chmod g+w
[15:10] <RoseBus> now it works
[15:10] <RoseBus> ty
[15:29] <bumblefuzz> my usb wifi adapter keeps disconnecting
[15:30] <bumblefuzz> disappears from 'lsusb'
[15:30] <bumblefuzz> when I unplug and plug it back in, it reappears
[15:30] <bumblefuzz> can anyone help me diagnose this?
[15:32] <ikonia> look in the syslog when it disappears
[15:37] <Deano59> leftyfb: I forgot about messaging the bot, thanks.
[15:38] <Deano59> leftyfb: so there's no chance of an early release?
[15:38] <leftyfb> No
[15:40] <bumblefuzz> ikonia, the only thing I can find is "systemd-rfkill.service: Succeeded."
[15:41] <ikonia> what device is it ?
[15:41] <ikonia> is it supported in linux ?
[15:41] <ikonia> it sounds like it's resetting
[15:42] <bumblefuzz> 0bda:8812
[15:42] <bumblefuzz> been using it for months
[15:42] <bumblefuzz> no issues
[15:42] <ikonia> I don't know what that identifier is in terms of make / model
[15:42] <bumblefuzz> Realtek Semiconductor Corp. RTL8812AU 802.11a/b/g/n/ac 2T2R DB WLAN Adapter
[15:42] <ikonia> pretty mainstream then
[15:44] <bumblefuzz> no wait
[15:44] <bumblefuzz> that's not where the error occurred
[15:45] <bumblefuzz> there doesn't appear to be an error
[15:45] <bumblefuzz> so, when the wifi died, the netspeed applet I use to monitor bandwidth started throwing tons of errors in the logs
[15:46] <bumblefuzz> if I go back to right when these started, there's nothing about the wifi adapter, or usb disconnect or anything
[15:46] <bumblefuzz> yet the light on the adapter was out and the device didn't appear in lsusb
[15:47] <ikonia> that's what makes me think the device is hanging or the bus is hanging/resetting
[15:47] <ikonia> are there any other usb devices in at the same time
[15:47] <ikonia> do they still work
[15:47] <bumblefuzz> yeah
[15:47] <bumblefuzz> everything else works perfectly
[15:47] <bumblefuzz> just this one device
[15:48] <ikonia> so it's not the bus then, means you can focus on the device
[15:48] <ikonia> do you know what kernel module it uses ?
[15:49] <bumblefuzz> yeah, I built it a while back from source
[15:49] <ikonia> see if that is still loaded, I assume it is as I'd expect a syslog message if it was detting unloaded
[15:49] <bumblefuzz> but don't exactly remember
[15:49] <ikonia> getting
[15:49] <ikonia> also like at the udev device, does that still exist
[15:49] <ikonia> you built it from source ?
[15:49] <bumblefuzz> how do I check these?
[15:49] <ikonia> I suspect there has been a few kernel upgrades since then
[15:49] <bumblefuzz> the stock driver doesn't work
[15:49] <bumblefuzz> ...the one from ubuntu
[15:50] <bumblefuzz> so, yeah, I had to go find one and build it from source
[15:50] <ikonia> that's not a good start
[15:50] <ikonia> custom kernel modules will often cause problems as underlying system components update/change
[15:50] <ikonia> unless you're on top of it
[15:50] <bumblefuzz> didn't know that
[15:50] <bumblefuzz> also, how can I tell the devs at ubuntu that their driver doesn't work?
[15:50] <bumblefuzz> cause it's never worked
[15:51] <ikonia> that's why I was asking if it's supported
[15:51] <bumblefuzz> they have a stock driver, so I would assume it's supported
[15:51] <ikonia> not if you say it's not working
[15:52] <ikonia> just having a little read on that device
[15:52] <ikonia> what kernel version are you currently running
[15:53] <bumblefuzz> ...I'm blanking on the command for kernel version....
[15:53] <pikapika> Is distro upgrading via iso file still supported?
[15:53] <ikonia> bumblefuzz: just show me uname -a
[15:53] <ikonia> lets have a look
[15:54] <bumblefuzz> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/XFVh6zSHGb/
[15:56] <ikonia> I'm guessing you're using this https://github.com/gnab/rtl8812au
[16:00] <bumblefuzz> I don't remember the username
[16:00] <bumblefuzz> there are several
[16:02] <bumblefuzz> ikonia, https://github.com/aircrack-ng/rtl8812au
[16:02] <bumblefuzz> that one
[16:05] <pikapika> Thats a good point too
[16:05] <pikapika> Can installation of custom kernel drivers cause issues during upgrading?
[16:07] <DJones> q 2- fc3
[16:08] <bumblefuzz> ikonia, any ieas??
[16:08] <bumblefuzz> ideas*
[16:09] <JoeBk> DJones, are you the guy from eevblog?
[16:15] <ikonia> sorry was just reading something else
[16:15] <ikonia> youi're using aircrack ?
[16:16] <ikonia> why are you using aircrack ?
[16:16] <ikonia> I don't believe that provides a kernel module from memory
[16:24] <AhmedAmerican> how to set timezone to ET which is equal to 12 pm right now. i tried sudo timedatectl set-timezone EST but it's set it as 11 AM
[16:26] <AhmedAmerican> solved ^
[17:21] <lavinho> 7j #fedora
[17:49] <ish> I just installed Ubuntu 20.04 minimal install into a virtual machine.  On boot, it doesn't not boot into virtual console 0, so I just get a blank screen.  I can switch to VC0 and login however.  How can I set it to default to VC0?
[17:53] <Maik> ish: Alt+F2 iirc to get console
[17:54] <ish> Maik: Yah, that doesn't change the default.. Looks like I got it by updating my grub config which seems to be switching to vt-7 even tho I don't have a display manager installed.
[17:55] <Maik> ish: sorry, then i don't know. Maybe someone else is able to answer your question.
[18:06] <sarnold>  /lastlog -clear
[18:19] <ptah> can someone revert this ? curprev 01:54, 9 April 2021‎ LouisAragon talk contribs‎ 11,253 bytes −50‎ Returning after a few months to pursue the same disruptive editorial pattern? (I.e. putting unsourced content into sourced material). That’s a big no-no. undo Tag: Manual revert
[18:19] <ptah> click undo https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mount_Nemrut&action=history
[18:19] <ptah> undo LouisAragon he is a vandal
[18:21] <Maik> ptah: hows that related to a Ubuntu issue?
[18:21] <ptah> please
[18:21] <Maik> ptah: it doesn't belong here
[18:22] <Maik> !discuss
[18:37] <bumblefuzz> when my screensaver activates, my wifi disconnects
[18:37] <bumblefuzz> how do I keep the wifi from disconnecting?
[18:37] <bumblefuzz> ...ever?
[18:51] <maret> I've accidentatly run umount -l /mnt/my-drive  and now I am getting error lsof: can't fopen(/proc/mounts, "r"): No such file or directory. What should I do please?
[18:52] <sarnold> what would you like to happen? let you view your mounts? or remount your drive?
[19:00] <tomreyn> bumblefuzz: those two events aren't normally related. which ubuntu are you using, how are you establishing the wireless connection?
[19:05] <maret> sarnold: I mounted external drive, wanted to formated it but couldnt because o fmount so I tried to umount, but device was busy so I run with -l switch and now I am getting the error
[19:12] <leftyfb> maret: future reference, do not use "umount -l" unless you know for a fact it's not being used in any way. You were probably still "cd'd" into the directory when you tried to unmount it. You probably still are in fact
[19:14] <maret> leftyfb: yeah maybe, what should I do to do the fix I do now?
[19:20] <maret> also weird I am getting failed to read mtab: No such file or directory
[19:21] <tomreyn> maret: rebooting will ensure that the unmount is finalized
[19:24] <maret> tomreyn:  running sudo reboot now gives me sudo: effective uid is not 0, is /usr/bin/sudo on a file system with the 'nosuid' option set or an NFS file system without root privileges?
[19:25] <sarnold> maret: maybe systemctl reboot? (without the sudo)
[19:26] <maret> System has not been booted with systemd as init system (PID 1). Can't operate. Failed to connect to bus: Host is down
[19:26] <maret> i might try to reset with reset button
[19:27] <tomreyn> which ubuntu version is this?
[19:27] <sarnold> sysrq s, sysrq u, sysrq b perhaps
[19:27] <sarnold> that'll be a lot like the reset switch but slightly kinder to any remaining filesystems
[20:24] <MaloPoDetsky> Hi
[20:26] <VMGuy23> MaloPoDetsky: Hello, welcome to #ubuntu. Please say your support question here or head to #ubuntu-offtopic for offtopic discussion.
[20:32] <Maik> VMGuy23: do a simple !ask and then !discuss the next time, easier thans typing the whole thing. ;)
[20:32] <Maik> thans/than
[20:33] <VMGuy23> Maik: I typed it out manually, I actually prefer it manual
[20:34] <Maik> whatever pleases you :)
[20:45] <MaloPoDetsky> i need all driver for ubuntu
[20:46] <VMGuy23> What do you mean by that?
[20:46] <MaloPoDetsky> for vide card
[20:47] <Maik> which video card, please be more specific when asking for support MaloPoDetsky
[20:47] <VMGuy23> Check in Additional Drivers in Software & Updates, that will often find drivers
[20:48] <MaloPoDetsky> integrade intel 600
[20:48] <Maik> intel is supported by default by the kernel, no special driver needed afaik
[21:23] <monsterco> I am trying to install smartGit and online I see a guide that asks me to do "sudo add-apt-repository ppa:euegesan/ppa". Are repositories like this safe? Whoever this papa eugene is can he be a hacker? OR are all the repositories vetted by Ubuntu for example so this type of thing is safe?
[21:24] <monsterco> since I don't see a URL for repository I am assuming this request goes to a central Ubuntu server and there is a repository and it's information under name papa eugene that is vetted by Ubuntu corporation (?) to not spreading viruses. Am I correct with my assumption or should I be careful?
[21:24] <VMGuy23> I don't know, but its not papa eugene, its eugene's PPA
[21:24] <monsterco> yeah, I get that; just a twist
[21:24] <monsterco> on words
[21:25] <monsterco> eugene PPA sound's equally unprofessional to me
[21:25] <monsterco> scratch that
[21:25] <monsterco> I should say equally unknown to me
[21:26] <monsterco> and then I am supposed to do "apt install smartgit". But what if smartgit is hackgit? is that possible? generally should one not add such repositories or there is nothing to be worried about?
[21:26] <VMGuy23> Personal Package Archive sound better?
[21:29] <Maik> monsterco: Everything from outside the official ubuntu repositories, like adding a PPA or installing a .deb file from somewhere, is always at your own risk.
[21:33] <guntbert> monsterco: to address your expectation:  no, PPAs are *not* vetted by anyone
[21:35] <matsaman> not by anyone in particular, you're trusting whoever made them
[21:36] <matsaman> it's like the fun of installing a program on Windows or macOS =P every time it's an adventure to see whether it's a trojan or not =)
[21:36] <VMGuy23> matsaman: but Windows Defender
[21:36] <matsaman> =P
[21:36] <matsaman> honestly I don't think PPAs are remotely as bad as that
[21:36] <matsaman> but they _potentially_ are
[21:37] <VMGuy23> (note: yes I do trust Windows Defender when I use Win10)
[21:40] <matsaman> it's easily the least terrible A/V for Windows
[21:40] <matsaman> for the moment
[21:41] <matsaman> but to make yourself a trojan that relies on someone voluntarily installing your software is not complicated
[21:43] <VMGuy23> You dont even need to install it, the installer could be bad. Most installers run with elevated permissions
[21:44] <matsaman> I mean, semantics, but yes
[21:45] <VMGuy23> "Yes" is normally pressed all the time
[21:56] <monsterco> windows A/V is good
[21:56] <monsterco> so the only other way is to install from source to be trusted?
[21:56] <monsterco> OR ubuntu official repository?
[22:00] <matsaman> monsterco: well
[22:00] <matsaman> if you install from source, then you can know that nothing unwanted was added between the source and the binary stage
[22:00] <matsaman> but you still can't know the source is 100% trustable
[22:00] <matsaman> not unless you personally audit it
[22:00] <matsaman> which is still not going to be a huge huge risk, but again, the _potential_ for malicious software to exist is the same
[22:01] <matsaman> executing a random binary and building and executing a binary that comes from a random source you personally built
[22:01] <matsaman> in reality the former will cause you more trouble, but in a pass/fail evaluation, they have the same security risk
[22:02] <lemur> There's a nice article by Ken Thompson (Inventor of Unix and C) about how you cannot even trust the compiler: http://genius.cat-v.org/ken-thompson/texts/trusting-trust/
[22:02] <matsaman> you can only trust what you already trust, and only then when you can trust that it hasn't been changed =)
[22:03] <matsaman> this is worth thinking about with your VCS, too
[22:03] <lemur> > The moral is obvious. You can't trust code that you did not totally create yourself. (Especially code from companies that employ people like me.) No amount of source-level verification or scrutiny will protect you from using untrusted code.
[22:03] <lemur> (from the article ;))
[22:03] <matsaman> I think that's a decent generalization, but ultimately false
[22:03] <matsaman> there is an amount of scrutiny that will protect you, but most likely you will never exercise that amount
[22:04] <matsaman> you just have to keep the real world and technical realities both in mind
[22:04] <matsaman> and if you're not exposing personal data to an application, you might not even be risking anything that matters
[22:46] <nyxyn> Currently installing linux on a new machine. I have the option to use LVM. What is this and should I use it?
[22:47] <matsaman> nyxyn: LVM abstracts partitions from hardware
[22:47] <matsaman> so instead of saying I have on this storage device this partition and this partition
[22:47] <matsaman> you say I have on this storage device this LVM, and LVM can pretend a partition is whatever it wants
[22:47] <matsaman> it's useful for a variety of things
[22:47] <nyxyn> Sounds like it would slow down reads and writes
[22:48] <matsaman> like encrypted FSes
[22:48] <matsaman> and if you want to change up your physical storage later
[22:48] <matsaman> etc.
[22:48] <matsaman> I don't think it'll slow down reads and writes
[22:48] <matsaman> but it's definitely something most people _do not_ need
[22:48] <nyxyn> If I didn't know about then I probably dont need it
[22:48] <matsaman> I think the main argument to stick with it on Ubuntu would be if you plan on using one of the popular encryption schemes Ubuntu provides
[22:48] <matsaman> which tend to rely on LVM being used
[22:49] <nyxyn> Thanks for the info matsaman
[22:49] <matsaman> np
[22:52] <raub> How do you create a madm raid during install?
[22:54] <matsaman> why would you want to
[22:54] <raub> I have two disks of the same size
[22:54] <realtime-neil> How do I install the `Suggests` for a given package if that package is already installed? `apt-get -y --install-suggests install ...` doesn't do it.
[22:54] <matsaman> raub: and?
[22:55] <raub> matsaman: any reason against a linux softraid?
[22:56] <matsaman> realtime-neil: https://askubuntu.com/questions/556753/how-to-install-suggests-on-an-already-installed-package
[22:56] <matsaman> raub: the first reason I can think of is if you can't articulate a reason _for_ using it
[22:58] <matsaman> a lot of people use RAID for purposes it isn't really intended for, which is part of why I ask your reasoning for using it
[23:00] <raub> matsaman: I found out this box was setup using DDF, which went boink after a BIOS update. So I am not using DDF.
[23:00] <monsterco> matsaman, thanks.
[23:01] <matsaman> monsterco: for what?
[23:01] <monsterco> explanation on repositories
[23:01] <realtime-neil> matsaman: that did it -- thank you very much!
[23:01] <matsaman> ah
[23:01] <nyxyn> matsaman deserves a raise
[23:02] <matsaman> I demand greater than $0.00!
[23:02] <nyxyn> Whatever we'll paying we'll double it
[23:02] <nyxyn> Whatever we're paying*
[23:03] <matsaman> raub: well, long story short: RAID is for redundancy of access, which is a fancy way of saying increasing speed of access to data by making redundant copies of it, increasing availability
[23:03] <raub> matsaman: I understand that raid != backup
[23:03] <matsaman> raub: it's also hard on hardware, and using only two devices in particular is a recipe for disaster; it is not a backup system, please make sure you have a backup system for data you care about that is entirely independent of your RAID setup
[23:03] <matsaman> raub: ok
[23:03] <matsaman> that's hard to believe if you're only using two disks, but okay =)
[23:04] <raub> raid1 for boot is good enough. I will leave the nvme drives for my tests
[23:04] <raub> you know about DDF raids so you know why I am pissed after learnign we are using it
[23:04] <matsaman> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SoftwareRAID
[23:11] <raub> Nothing like dd to say "You don't want me to delete that vg? Watch this"
[23:13] <matsaman> muah
[23:14] <raub> Then let's see if I get to learn the ubuntu equivalent of kickstater this weekend so I can redo another server
[23:14] <matsaman> fun