=== Xard4 is now known as Xard === zbenjamin is now known as Guest14108 === zbenjamin_ is now known as zbenjamin [02:13] how can I install the amdgpu drivers in Ubuntu 20.04? Not amdgpu-pro. [02:21] I think just running ubuntu-drivers install should do the right thing for your system [02:22] Hey sarnold. I have the radeon drivers installed currently but want to move to the amdgpu ones as they are required for a few programs I want to run. Any suggestions? [02:22] Trybble: AMD drivers are in the kernel - see ' man amdgpu '. [02:28] Thanks Bashing-om it looks like I'm using the Radeon driver rather than those. Is there a way to switch over? [02:30] Trybble: The kernel will load the correct driver for your card. From the man page can you confirm that the card supports the ampgpu driver ? === Trybble34 is now known as Trybble [02:35] It's very generic. "SUPPORTED HARDWARE: The amdgpu driver supports SI and newer families' video cards." [02:36] Maybe I'm going about this the wrong way. I want to use some form of overclocking for my Radeon R9 280 but everything seems to need amdgpu [02:38] Trybble: No idea of overclocking AMD cards - see thoguh if : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AMDGPU-Driver helps. [02:39] though* [02:39] thank you! === popey0 is now known as popey [03:19] hello, can anyone help me with a kurento issue? [03:19] Maybe [03:19] Tell us what the issue iw [03:19] Is* [03:19] thanks for the reply, I'm having a hard time trying to stream from rtp to webrtc, even though I was able to stream rtsp [03:20] I'm building an application which displays cameras (either rtp/rtsp based) on a video wall, using kurento do map them to webrtc [03:20] *to === jrg_ is now known as jrg [03:24] any thoughts would be much appreciated [04:55] i installed a few fonts to use in gimp [04:55] but now when i launch my apps i get this https://i.imgur.com/8GYl99d.png [04:55] not sure how to restore to original [05:49] any suggestions on the font [06:06] pi0: haha, pretty sure I've used that as default font before. [06:10] sarnold: yes i think its resolved [06:11] how do i resolve that [06:12] sorry not sure how to reverse [06:20] pi0: most of the recent guides I just looked at suggested installing gnome tweak. I tested it a moment ago, and you can cjange font with it. [06:22] i tried tweak but that did not work [06:24] is the font only in eclipse? looks sort of like eclipse, haha [06:26] I don't know how to solve a package conflict on the task of a release update from Ubuntu-18 to Ubuntu-20, because I'm not familiar with the Debian-like apt package framework. The do-release-upgrade fails in a controlled way during the checks. From the logs, I'm able to recognize a dependency problem. But I don't know how to solve this in a [06:26] "constructive" way. I want to avoid things like installing from the scratch. Somebody with good skill here willing to help me? [06:27] can you send logs to paste.ubuntu.com? [06:27] and put link here [06:30] mrkubax10: I have prepared the first log already yesterday but have to stop here for other reasons. Providing the others takes some minutes because it's on another machine. http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/yp7s8dDdhj/ [06:30] mrkubax10 Thank you for support! [06:31] no problem [06:32] try using command sudo apt install --fix-broken [06:34] mrkubax10 These simple things I already have try without any success. [06:36] mrkubax10: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/cM6ZsVhVWW/ [06:36] mrkubax10: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/YSR3cWTMNN/ [06:37] "ERROR Dist-upgrade failed: 'Broken packages after upgrade: colord'" this seems to be problem [06:38] mrkubax10: 2021-04-08 11:37:40,919 ERROR Dist-upgrade failed: 'Broken packages after upgrade: colord' [06:38] mrkubax10: We cross-over :) [06:39] mrkubax10: And now the question: How to solve this? [06:40] I have found this post on askubuntu. It may help: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1281969/ubuntu-20-04-1-upgrade-failure-error-dist-upgrade-failed-broken-packages-aft [06:40] gjaekel: are you using any third party repos/ppas? [06:41] They get all disabled by the do-release-upgrade [06:42] ducasse: Thank you, also. [06:43] mrkubax10: I already know this kind posts. They deliver no solution. [06:46] mrkubax10: I'm using Unix since about 35years. I have good Linux knowledge, but not concerning Debian. I'm using Gentoo in general, but Ubuntu for my private Laptop and Desktop PC's to ease maintenance. [06:47] good news is ubuntu-desktop isn't critical. [06:47] mrkubax10: If I uninstall colord by the standard way, it will uninstall the whole Desktop environment. That's not the way I want to go. [06:48] overclucker: Please explain this to me !!! [06:48] So you are using unix and linux longer than me... [06:48] @mkkubax10 [06:49] mrkubax10: Probably because I'm older than you :) [06:50] gjaekel: i know the get disabled, but installed packages can still mess up the upgrade [06:52] I was trying to update Ubuntu 19.04 to 19.10 one day and I was getting kernel panic while system was loading so maybe better idea will be to do fresh installation of 20.04 [06:52] overclucker: Will uninstalling ubuntu-desktop don't purge hundreds of applications? [06:54] mrkubax10 Sorry, but I don't want to discuss about X-Y-solutions. Of course, this is a way and evaluating this just in this moments. [06:55] Uninstalling ubuntu-desktop seems to not delete other applications on my machine. [06:55] BTW: This is an upgrade from Ubuntu-16 to Ubuntu-20. And this already work on two other machines. I just don't want to loose this tons of individual fine-tuning on system and the different user accounts. === jelly-home is now known as jelly [06:56] gjaekel: nothing important you cant reinstall. you can get the list by doing apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop and then NOT pressing enter or Y [06:57] mrkubax10: Sounds interesting. Will try to check this. [06:58] if you have ppas installed you need to purge them before upgrading [06:58] if you're getting dependency errors that is the likeliest cause [07:01] ducasse: Purging means to disable it in the "source.list.d" or to uninstall this packages? [07:03] uninstall packages and removing from sources - check the package ppa-purge [07:03] root@ovonel:~# apt remove ubuntu-desktop --simulate [07:03] Reading package lists... Done [07:03] Building dependency tree [07:03] Reading state information... Done [07:03] The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required: [07:03] fonts-noto-color-emoji gir1.2-gmenu-3.0 gnome-getting-started-docs gnome-initial-setup gnome-shell-extension-appindicator [07:04] oof [07:05] overclucker: already to long to paste here? [07:06] yup... [07:06] Sorry. [07:06] no, it was fun to watch [07:07] BTW: This installations are using Unity as desktop. [07:08] Maybe removing ubuntu-desktop doesn't delete other programs on my PC because I'm using Ubuntu 20.04 [07:09] You suggest to uninstall ubuntu-desktop, try to do-release-update and install some packages afterwards to restore "something?" [07:09] gjaekel: not exactly my point [07:11] gjaekel: dependenciey conflicts can be crippling, if say glibc or something critical gets removed triying to fix it [07:12] you probably still need to at least temporarily remove ppas from your sources before you can fix this === denningsrogue67 is now known as denningsrogue6 [07:14] overclucker This apt framework seems to be more problematic as the package managers I'm used to deal with. The concept of additional ppa's seems to be not well-integrated.# [07:15] gjaekel: this is basically the reason snap is now preferred [07:16] overclucker Or maybe this is more general to the difference between binary distributions and source code distributions. [07:17] overclucker: This is a "solution" taking a loot of costs on not-very-up-to-date machines. [07:17] @overclu [07:19] overclucker (Damn, this web irc client is annoying) Thank you for your suggestions. I may compare the installed ppas on "this" machine with the other which are already at Ubuntu-20, now. [07:19] gjaekel: well, you are release upgrading, it would be strange for old software to still work [07:21] overclucker From the point of the end user, I expect this is also updated in a seamless way! [07:23] I can't understand why the release update *disable* the things in source.lists.d, this will force exactly this, IMHO. [07:27] OK so far. Thank you a lot for discussion and provided suggestions. I have to leave now for an appointment and check it out later-on. [07:30] alright, see ya === ace_me1 is now known as ace_me [08:16] with 21.04 pipewire is running: https://dpaste.com/H75XZ8G36 [08:16] but also pulseaudio is running: https://dpaste.com/3GAN2CV2B [08:16] which one is being used in this case? pipewire, pulseaudio, both? [08:18] jatt, eek - afaik pipewire is meant to be a replacement for pulseaudio - not work alongside [08:19] this is on a box that was upgraded from 20.10 to 21.04 [08:19] Hello. I have question. Is there any application, that let's you lock the computer but one application? I know that browser doesn't make much sense, because you can probably browse your filesystem, but you got the idea. [08:19] I guess pulseaudio would need to be removed explicitly? [08:20] fasdf, sounds like you want a "kiosk" mode for your browser... use that term in your search and you should find some helpful plugins to do what you want [08:20] jatt, I can only guess so... I only stick to LTS releases myself [08:22] That's probably what I'm looking for, thanks. === jelly is now known as jelly-home [08:54] jatt: Ubuntu 21.04 comes with pipewire support but not sure if its default [08:56] jatt: Have a look here, https://lwn.net/Articles/849639/ [09:14] Hello guys, is there any app to automate the deployment of new Ubuntu installations like with Clobber? [09:17] maoma: the debian installer can do it [09:21] Hi. I need to install a package with "apt-get source --compile " ... issue is the machine has many CPU cores and runs out of memory during build. I could prevent that by limiting the number of concurrent build threads when I say "dpkg-buildpackage -J 4" for example -- but apt-get source --compile does not specify such a limit and uses all available cores causing out-of-memory kills. Is there an ENV variable or flag to [09:21] apt-get source to pass options to dpkg-buildpackage ? [09:24] ( did I just ask my question during a netsplit? ) [09:25] on ubuntu 20.04, after a few days of my system running, with vmware also running, I get a couple of hundred vmware audio devices listed in settings. I can't find a shell command that lists these devices. I've tried pactl list short modules. Does anyone have any other ideas? [09:26] See this screenshot https://www.dropbox.com/s/jc3qug7d8k7n34n/Selection_262.png?dl=0 [09:52] Hi all, I am trying to change the "pretty" name of a couple of USB capture cards. currently i am assuming the v4l gets the pretty name from an udev attribute and i am trying to change it when plugging in the device. However it is not working. I am trying to change the attrs{product}= to something of my choosing on a parent device. i am succesfull [09:52] of chaing env{id_model_enc} with these rules but seem not to be able to for the parent. Any help is much appreciated as i have been stuck here for a couple of days now https://pastebin.com/jHjrwg29 [09:56] Is there an officially supported way in Ubuntu 20.04 to use a newer kernel? I would prefer to be on at least kernel 5.7 [09:57] 20.04 should get a new HWE kernel with the next point release (backported from 21.04) [09:58] (that should be 5.11 then) [09:58] nice, ogra! Is there a scheduled release date or rough timeframe? [09:59] August if i remember correcltly [09:59] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FocalFossa/ReleaseSchedule [09:59] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FocalFossa/ReleaseSchedule [09:59] ah ogra was faster [09:59] heh [09:59] just barely :-) [10:00] well that sounds fine to me, I can hold out that long [10:01] syb0rg: If it is Ubuntu desktop it should have updated to 5.8 [10:01] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack [10:01] that has more info about hwe kernels [10:02] jeremy31, I am fairly certain this particular machine I installed ubuntu server on, then a DE. That is probably why I am on 5.4. Perhaps my real question should be what packages I should replace/is that an option [10:03] syb0rg: Look at the link from ogra, it shows what commands to use on server [10:03] ah perfect [10:03] yep [10:11] * TJ- is wondering if there are any ubuntu devs 'interested' in the systemd mkosi package === Whookam is now known as Thin_icE [11:10] hey everyone, is it cool if I ask a hopefully simple question on a small issue I have with installing something? [11:12] ask away steeltowndude [11:14] I started installing virtualbox and came to an agreement screen, but I had no clue how to actually accept it. turns out I just had to tab to select and hit enter. anyways, I'm dumb and closed it but the process is still running. I can pull up the agreement in terminal but don't actually know how to accept it now [11:16] it first came up in like a text editor window in terminal === jelly-home is now known as jelly [11:43] Ok cool so I got logged out I guess so if anyone actually answered my question I can't see it lol [11:45] no one answered and if needed, this channel is logged so you can always look it up [11:46] Nice thanks for the heads up, I haven't used IRC in like 12 years now haha [11:47] nothing changed so you should know how it works :) [11:47] steeltowndude: are you saying the original, text user interface agreement is showing in a Terminal shell ? [11:48] steeltowndude: here's the link to the logs if needed: https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ [11:48] hi all. i installed a new SDD in my laptop. First installed Windoze, and afterwards cloned both boot partition and main partition into empty partitions on the free space. But i have to go into the BIOS boot manager to boot Kubuntu. How do I make it dual boot? [11:48] steeltowndude: Where are you installing from? I don't recall seeing such an agreement prompt when installing from the archives [11:50] from the ubuntu repositories [11:50] with the sudo apt install virtualbox virtualbox-ext-pack commant [11:52] TJ- It was the PUEL [11:56] or maybe i just need to update the bootloader? [11:57] steeltowndude: I asked one of my people that installed VB a while back and he couldn't recall being prompted [11:58] 'Morning all [11:58] hey [11:58] good afternoon BluesKaj [11:59] asternoon Maik [11:59] asternoon even :-) [11:59] I suppose a better question for me to ask might just be, how do I just purge the process and start over? [11:59] af [12:04] steeltowndude, try to run "sudo apt-get -f install" - just that command with no extra argument. [12:04] argument on the CLI that is. Feel free to argue with me. [12:05] steeltowndude may also/instead have to run this command: sudo dpkg --configure -a [12:05] E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock-frontend. It is held by process 4493 (apt) [12:05] N: Be aware that removing the lock file is not a solution and may break your system. [12:05] E: Unable to acquire the dpkg frontend lock (/var/lib/dpkg/lock-frontend), is another process using it? [12:06] reboot [12:06] sudo killall apt [12:06] sudo rm /var/lib/dpkg/lock-frontend (after killing apt) [12:06] or reboot yeah lol [12:07] BluesKaj: Good evening [12:07] hey viktor_ [12:07] btw to accept the agreement you just have to hold Down arrow until you get to the bottom, then use Tab to select Accept and hit Enter. [12:08] the obvious solution lmao. guess I figured the process would still be stuck in limbo if I rebooted [12:08] try "fg" command maybe it's actually still running in the background if you used ctrl-Z that would be the case [12:08] yeah I know that now, seems so obvious but I was confused since it was in terminal lol [12:08] if you used ctrl-c or otherwise closed the terminal, ignore me === StathisA_ is now known as StathisA [12:17] a little od debian can help resolve problems in ubuntu [12:18] basically is a better debian with more easy options [12:18] synaptic can help lot in a scenario of loss of possible control of ubuntu server [12:19] 3 years with ubuntu in Amazon configuration EC2 .'. [12:19] Able Tare Fare [12:19] trust [12:26] I know they owe me nothing but I like when people rejoin after their issue got fixed. When people leave and I just have to assume that it worked, I get no closure :( [12:30] !discuss | ruimonteiro [12:30] ruimonteiro: Want to talk about Ubuntu, but don't have a support question? /join #ubuntu-discuss for non-support Ubuntu discussion, or try #ubuntu-offtopic for general chat. Thanks! === blackest_mamba_ is now known as blackest_mamba [14:02] !isitoutyet [14:02] YES, Ubuntu 20.10 is out! Go get it at https://ubuntu.com/download [14:02] Omg, just update it! [14:02] :( [14:03] It's mostly only relevant on release day [14:03] when lots of people like to come here and ask "is it out yet" ? [14:04] there is no chance of 21.04 being released early as a surprise, don't worry. [14:15] Deano59: it's schedule date is the 22nd. 2 weeks from now. Feel free to hang out in #ubuntu-release-party on the 22nd and bug the bot. [14:16] Deano59: also, as you were told back in October, you can '/msg ubottu !isitoutyet' [14:24] sigh, the same as yesterday leftyfb? This is getting annoying. [14:25] it has been explained before to him, not sur why he keeps nagging about it. [14:26] Maik who? [14:26] ptah: doesn't matter, was something before you joined the channel [14:27] ok [14:27] i thought it was about me [14:27] heh [14:35] HI, i hava a dual boot issue [14:35] have* [14:36] i have a "default boot device missing or boot failed dual boot" error after i opened and closed my laptop. Seagate seatools sees my ssd hard drive, i launched some tests and they were ok. I have a Lenovo Yoga 2 laptop, i had installed a dual boot windows 10 and Ubuntu, with refind as a grub. But not lately after this dual boot installation, refind [14:36] didnt appear anymore. Now i dont know how to repair the grub, if anyone can help me. [14:56] i added user to group www-data but still getting permission denied when trying to write to /var/www [14:56] ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ [14:56] what is the file system permission [14:56] ptah: please don't [14:56] ok [14:59] ikonia, var/www is drwxr-xr-x 3 root root [14:59] should i chown to root:www-data? [15:00] !permissions | RoseBus [15:00] RoseBus: An explanation of what file permissions are and how they can be manipulated can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FilePermissions [15:00] RoseBus: no. But you could do g+w [15:00] adding write perms to the group [15:01] RoseBus: so there you go, only root has access [15:01] RoseBus: personally, I would keep the user in their /home/$USER and bind mount something like /var/www/html/user to /home/$USER/www and work with that [15:02] i'm trying to set up a static dir for my django server, running gunicorn as a service [15:03] for manage.py collectstatic to work, user needs to be able to write to /var/www === Whookam is now known as Thin_icE [15:04] the file system permissions on /var/www looks odd [15:04] is it meant to be root:root by default ? [15:04] idk it's a ubuntu linode server [15:04] ikonia: I've given them 2 solutions already [15:04] it came like this [15:05] leftyb g+w would work even if the directory is owned by root:root? [15:06] RoseBus: you should be using subdirectories under /var/www. But sure, go ahead and change the group to www-data [15:10] yes, i'm using a subdirectory in /var/www/static [15:10] i chowned it to root:www-data and then i chmod g+w [15:10] now it works [15:10] ty [15:29] my usb wifi adapter keeps disconnecting [15:30] disappears from 'lsusb' [15:30] when I unplug and plug it back in, it reappears [15:30] can anyone help me diagnose this? [15:32] look in the syslog when it disappears [15:37] leftyfb: I forgot about messaging the bot, thanks. [15:38] leftyfb: so there's no chance of an early release? [15:38] No [15:40] ikonia, the only thing I can find is "systemd-rfkill.service: Succeeded." [15:41] what device is it ? [15:41] is it supported in linux ? [15:41] it sounds like it's resetting [15:42] 0bda:8812 [15:42] been using it for months [15:42] no issues [15:42] I don't know what that identifier is in terms of make / model [15:42] Realtek Semiconductor Corp. RTL8812AU 802.11a/b/g/n/ac 2T2R DB WLAN Adapter [15:42] pretty mainstream then [15:44] no wait [15:44] that's not where the error occurred [15:45] there doesn't appear to be an error [15:45] so, when the wifi died, the netspeed applet I use to monitor bandwidth started throwing tons of errors in the logs [15:46] if I go back to right when these started, there's nothing about the wifi adapter, or usb disconnect or anything [15:46] yet the light on the adapter was out and the device didn't appear in lsusb [15:47] that's what makes me think the device is hanging or the bus is hanging/resetting [15:47] are there any other usb devices in at the same time [15:47] do they still work [15:47] yeah [15:47] everything else works perfectly [15:47] just this one device [15:48] so it's not the bus then, means you can focus on the device [15:48] do you know what kernel module it uses ? [15:49] yeah, I built it a while back from source [15:49] see if that is still loaded, I assume it is as I'd expect a syslog message if it was detting unloaded [15:49] but don't exactly remember [15:49] getting [15:49] also like at the udev device, does that still exist [15:49] you built it from source ? [15:49] how do I check these? [15:49] I suspect there has been a few kernel upgrades since then [15:49] the stock driver doesn't work [15:49] ...the one from ubuntu [15:50] so, yeah, I had to go find one and build it from source [15:50] that's not a good start [15:50] custom kernel modules will often cause problems as underlying system components update/change [15:50] unless you're on top of it [15:50] didn't know that [15:50] also, how can I tell the devs at ubuntu that their driver doesn't work? [15:50] cause it's never worked [15:51] that's why I was asking if it's supported [15:51] they have a stock driver, so I would assume it's supported [15:51] not if you say it's not working [15:52] just having a little read on that device [15:52] what kernel version are you currently running [15:53] ...I'm blanking on the command for kernel version.... [15:53] Is distro upgrading via iso file still supported? [15:53] bumblefuzz: just show me uname -a [15:53] lets have a look [15:54] https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/XFVh6zSHGb/ [15:56] I'm guessing you're using this https://github.com/gnab/rtl8812au [16:00] I don't remember the username [16:00] there are several [16:02] ikonia, https://github.com/aircrack-ng/rtl8812au [16:02] that one [16:05] Thats a good point too [16:05] Can installation of custom kernel drivers cause issues during upgrading? [16:07] q 2- fc3 [16:08] ikonia, any ieas?? [16:08] ideas* [16:09] DJones, are you the guy from eevblog? [16:15] sorry was just reading something else [16:15] youi're using aircrack ? [16:16] why are you using aircrack ? [16:16] I don't believe that provides a kernel module from memory [16:24] how to set timezone to ET which is equal to 12 pm right now. i tried sudo timedatectl set-timezone EST but it's set it as 11 AM [16:26] solved ^ === ijohnson is now known as ijohnson|lunch [17:21] 7j #fedora === Guest42978 is now known as catalase [17:49] I just installed Ubuntu 20.04 minimal install into a virtual machine. On boot, it doesn't not boot into virtual console 0, so I just get a blank screen. I can switch to VC0 and login however. How can I set it to default to VC0? [17:53] ish: Alt+F2 iirc to get console [17:54] Maik: Yah, that doesn't change the default.. Looks like I got it by updating my grub config which seems to be switching to vt-7 even tho I don't have a display manager installed. [17:55] ish: sorry, then i don't know. Maybe someone else is able to answer your question. [18:06] /lastlog -clear [18:19] can someone revert this ? curprev 01:54, 9 April 2021‎ LouisAragon talk contribs‎ 11,253 bytes −50‎ Returning after a few months to pursue the same disruptive editorial pattern? (I.e. putting unsourced content into sourced material). That’s a big no-no. undo Tag: Manual revert [18:19] click undo https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mount_Nemrut&action=history [18:19] undo LouisAragon he is a vandal [18:21] ptah: hows that related to a Ubuntu issue? [18:21] please [18:21] ptah: it doesn't belong here [18:22] !discuss [18:22] Want to talk about Ubuntu, but don't have a support question? /join #ubuntu-discuss for non-support Ubuntu discussion, or try #ubuntu-offtopic for general chat. Thanks! [18:37] when my screensaver activates, my wifi disconnects [18:37] how do I keep the wifi from disconnecting? [18:37] ...ever? === ijohnson|lunch is now known as ijohnson [18:51] I've accidentatly run umount -l /mnt/my-drive and now I am getting error lsof: can't fopen(/proc/mounts, "r"): No such file or directory. What should I do please? [18:52] what would you like to happen? let you view your mounts? or remount your drive? [19:00] bumblefuzz: those two events aren't normally related. which ubuntu are you using, how are you establishing the wireless connection? [19:05] sarnold: I mounted external drive, wanted to formated it but couldnt because o fmount so I tried to umount, but device was busy so I run with -l switch and now I am getting the error [19:12] maret: future reference, do not use "umount -l" unless you know for a fact it's not being used in any way. You were probably still "cd'd" into the directory when you tried to unmount it. You probably still are in fact [19:14] leftyfb: yeah maybe, what should I do to do the fix I do now? [19:20] also weird I am getting failed to read mtab: No such file or directory [19:21] maret: rebooting will ensure that the unmount is finalized [19:24] tomreyn: running sudo reboot now gives me sudo: effective uid is not 0, is /usr/bin/sudo on a file system with the 'nosuid' option set or an NFS file system without root privileges? [19:25] maret: maybe systemctl reboot? (without the sudo) [19:26] System has not been booted with systemd as init system (PID 1). Can't operate. Failed to connect to bus: Host is down [19:26] i might try to reset with reset button [19:27] which ubuntu version is this? [19:27] sysrq s, sysrq u, sysrq b perhaps [19:27] that'll be a lot like the reset switch but slightly kinder to any remaining filesystems [20:24] Hi [20:26] MaloPoDetsky: Hello, welcome to #ubuntu. Please say your support question here or head to #ubuntu-offtopic for offtopic discussion. [20:32] VMGuy23: do a simple !ask and then !discuss the next time, easier thans typing the whole thing. ;) [20:32] thans/than [20:33] Maik: I typed it out manually, I actually prefer it manual [20:34] whatever pleases you :) [20:45] i need all driver for ubuntu [20:46] What do you mean by that? [20:46] for vide card [20:47] which video card, please be more specific when asking for support MaloPoDetsky [20:47] Check in Additional Drivers in Software & Updates, that will often find drivers [20:48] integrade intel 600 [20:48] intel is supported by default by the kernel, no special driver needed afaik [21:23] I am trying to install smartGit and online I see a guide that asks me to do "sudo add-apt-repository ppa:euegesan/ppa". Are repositories like this safe? Whoever this papa eugene is can he be a hacker? OR are all the repositories vetted by Ubuntu for example so this type of thing is safe? [21:24] since I don't see a URL for repository I am assuming this request goes to a central Ubuntu server and there is a repository and it's information under name papa eugene that is vetted by Ubuntu corporation (?) to not spreading viruses. Am I correct with my assumption or should I be careful? [21:24] I don't know, but its not papa eugene, its eugene's PPA [21:24] yeah, I get that; just a twist [21:24] on words [21:25] eugene PPA sound's equally unprofessional to me [21:25] scratch that [21:25] I should say equally unknown to me [21:26] and then I am supposed to do "apt install smartgit". But what if smartgit is hackgit? is that possible? generally should one not add such repositories or there is nothing to be worried about? [21:26] Personal Package Archive sound better? [21:29] monsterco: Everything from outside the official ubuntu repositories, like adding a PPA or installing a .deb file from somewhere, is always at your own risk. [21:33] monsterco: to address your expectation: no, PPAs are *not* vetted by anyone [21:35] not by anyone in particular, you're trusting whoever made them [21:36] it's like the fun of installing a program on Windows or macOS =P every time it's an adventure to see whether it's a trojan or not =) [21:36] matsaman: but Windows Defender [21:36] =P [21:36] honestly I don't think PPAs are remotely as bad as that [21:36] but they _potentially_ are [21:37] (note: yes I do trust Windows Defender when I use Win10) [21:40] it's easily the least terrible A/V for Windows [21:40] for the moment [21:41] but to make yourself a trojan that relies on someone voluntarily installing your software is not complicated [21:43] You dont even need to install it, the installer could be bad. Most installers run with elevated permissions [21:44] I mean, semantics, but yes [21:45] "Yes" is normally pressed all the time [21:56] windows A/V is good [21:56] so the only other way is to install from source to be trusted? [21:56] OR ubuntu official repository? [22:00] monsterco: well [22:00] if you install from source, then you can know that nothing unwanted was added between the source and the binary stage [22:00] but you still can't know the source is 100% trustable [22:00] not unless you personally audit it [22:00] which is still not going to be a huge huge risk, but again, the _potential_ for malicious software to exist is the same [22:01] executing a random binary and building and executing a binary that comes from a random source you personally built [22:01] in reality the former will cause you more trouble, but in a pass/fail evaluation, they have the same security risk [22:02] There's a nice article by Ken Thompson (Inventor of Unix and C) about how you cannot even trust the compiler: http://genius.cat-v.org/ken-thompson/texts/trusting-trust/ [22:02] you can only trust what you already trust, and only then when you can trust that it hasn't been changed =) [22:03] this is worth thinking about with your VCS, too [22:03] > The moral is obvious. You can't trust code that you did not totally create yourself. (Especially code from companies that employ people like me.) No amount of source-level verification or scrutiny will protect you from using untrusted code. [22:03] (from the article ;)) [22:03] I think that's a decent generalization, but ultimately false [22:03] there is an amount of scrutiny that will protect you, but most likely you will never exercise that amount [22:04] you just have to keep the real world and technical realities both in mind [22:04] and if you're not exposing personal data to an application, you might not even be risking anything that matters [22:46] Currently installing linux on a new machine. I have the option to use LVM. What is this and should I use it? [22:47]