 On a new install the version reported is: 4.2.5-0.1build1 (re @RikMills: If anyone use qbittorent, then please check the version in hirsute is ok)
 Installs and launches fine. However, on minimize to tray, the tooltip shows html-styling(?) info as in pic. :
 I checked with another minimize to tray application hexchat, it shows application name just fine. If there is a minimize-to-tray Qt application I can check as well.
[04:54] <qydw> using qbittorrent 4.3.4.1 from PPA, though the package is for 20.10, it can still run perfectly on 21.04.
 in xubuntu, it used to show blank because xfce couldn't render the html (re @saivinob: )
 you should file a bug report https://github.com/qbittorrent/qBittorrent/issues
 Noted. Before that do you know any qt min-to-tray app so I will check if all qt app are like that or only qbittorent, coz hexchat tooltip is OK.
 seems it was already reported https://github.com/qbittorrent/qBittorrent/issues/13469
 and was supposedly fixed
 Ah, OK. 😊 (re @philipz: seems it was already reported https://github.com/qbittorrent/qBittorrent/issues/13469)
 Not in kubuntu unless it is not the version @RikMills is referring to. (re @philipz: and was supposedly fixed)
 the fix went in Sep 2020, so i'm still thinking it wasn't fixed properly if 21.04 is running the latest build.
[06:08] <guiverc> I missed the qbittorrent question, but I can download a magnet link from lubuntu.me & it opens in qbittorrent 4.2.5 and downloaded until I stopped it.. apt-cache policy doesn't show a source, so it's likely left over from groovy? (or prior release) on my box (lubuntu hirsute heavily modified; originally artful install but won't be from ppa)
 the fix removed html completely from the tooltip https://github.com/qbittorrent/qBittorrent/commit/89277a2f52b2bcade3798f85f262dc4e9724667c
 that is how i see it on the 4.3.4 :
 guess its because qbittorrent is still on 4.2.5 in the groovy and hirsute repos
 seems strange why qbittorrent wouldn't have been upgraded in 6 months, when 4.3.0 came out in october
 may be because of licensing issue as @RikMills stated above
 oh okay. well likely the patch should be added to 4.2.5 to fix the issues.
 thanks. I'll try that later
 Timezone in map and text do not match. This is when internet is already available. On the installed system the timezone is correct (as in the map). Shouldn't the text section show what is in the map? :
 I think that is a symptom of: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1916331
 Ah, I did not try to select country in the text field to see if timezone gets highlighted. Will check. But as I said, on the installed system timezone is correct which is as per map.
[06:45] <lotuspsychje> RikMills: i think i noticed something similar on -desktop too, had to manualy pick brussels, instead of automatic Tz recognize, internet was working
 I suspect that the timezone is being automatically recognised, but the bit of code that updates the gui with that is broken
[06:50] <lotuspsychje> ah
 https://irc-attachments.kde.org/tw91cuWe/file_41777.jpg
[06:53] <lotuspsychje> typing brussels manualy worked for me on -desktop
 Secondly, use of ubuntu font is not visually consistent. On Ubuntu and Ubuntu MATE it is ubuntu font all the way. On the other hand, Xubuntu managed to keep it consistent by making whole installer use 'Noto Sans'. It has been like this on Kubuntu always I guess. I'm not saying we cannot use more than one font but it has not be designed right. 'Noto Sans' text is small, 'Ubuntu' text is big and the progress bar is again '
 👆above two are just my input as a normal user. I know both are not critical esp at this time in release cycle, but something you may consider for later from UX perspective.
 i agree with @saivinob that showing the text has no benefit and the progress bar is sufficient. If the text is wanted, then it should appear on its own line above the progress bar.
 To be honest, as ubiquity is due to die in the not too distant future anyway, at this point I think only critical bugs are going to get attention
 I must find out if the new installer will be theme-able for flavours
 otoh, I really like the fast moving messages - usually a 'details' option is poorly implemented and I need to manually scroll down to see what's happening
 that maybe useful for a tech individual, but useless for the average user
 they will be focused on the pretty slides 😍
 Or watching cats on youtube while waiting for the install to finish (re @philipz: they will be focused on the pretty slides 😍)
 Don't know about others but me don't touch anything on desktop for fear of interfering with install process. So, yes, I stare at slides, look at progressbar that it is indeed moving. I would like if it shows how much time remaining.
[08:43] <lotuspsychje> time remaining depends on the machines specs saivinob, not easy to estimate for ubuntu i assume
 I see. Makes sense not to add additional complexity then.
 Can you or someone report that bug on launchpad? (re @saivinob: On a new install the version reported is: 4.2.5-0.1build1)
 OK.

 with the patch
 Is it when you have started some download? If you just start program, no downloads and close it what does it show ?

 if you start the installer without reaching the desktop, you'd be limited to only staring at the slides. (re @saivinob: Don't know about others but me don't touch anything on desktop for fear of interfering with install process. So, yes, I stare at slides, look at progressbar that it is indeed moving. I would like if it shows how much time remaining.)
 😃 yes...
 On launchpad when I try, it says bugs are reported on github.com and there was already an issue for it as mentioned by @philipz . It's closed. (re @RikMills: Can you or someone report that bug on launchpad?)
 @philipz, can you please take a loot at bug #1916711. 'Software' is not doing 'Update's.
 On gnome, if we click on download, it shows progress and when it shows restart and update it actually restarts and applies the updates (as checked on fedora). Here when we click on 'Download', it changes to 'restart & update' immediately and then does nothing if clicked. Even if I manually reboot, there is no update installed possibly because it did not download. :
 @saivinob gnome software has been broken for me in 20.04 since the day i installed it and why i avoid it. the updates tab always shows there are no updates and software updater always shows me that there are updates. :
 Odd. I will report on launchpad later (re @saivinob: On launchpad when I try, it says bugs are reported on github.com and there was already an issue for it as mentioned by @philipz . It's closed.)
 True and software updater does its job well. But then 'Software' is part of default install. It is also placed under 'Favorites' so it gets exposure. It shouldn't be this broken. May be 'Synaptic' be default? Bit overwhelming for new user may be, but solid none the less. (re @philipz: )
 'Software' for software installation and removal, 'Synaptic' for things you can't install with 'Software' and 'Software Updater' for updates.
 👍
 are there any other flavors that are using gnome software, as it would be good to know if its a xubuntu only issue, and if not, then more attention would need to placed on it.
 i know ubuntu proper uses snap store, UM uses software boutique, and kubuntu uses discover. not sure about lubuntu and ubuntu budgie.
 Hmm..now that you have asked, in UM for softwares that are not covered in Software Boutique, we asked to install additional software. Which are synaptic and Gnome software. I'll test and see how it goes if I choose to install gnome software.
 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qbittorrent/+bug/1923301
[11:32] <lotuspsychje> tnx RikMills
[11:32] <lotuspsychje> !info qbittorrent
 Thanks @RikMills. Marked as affects me.
 Before I think Ubuntu used to disable packagekit updates, but now it looks like it's in sync again with Debian as the snap-store is being used. So these might need to be reported as upstream issues 🤔 (re @philipz: are there any other flavors that are using gnome software, as it would be good to know if its a xubuntu only issue, and if not, then more attention would need to placed on it.)
 And uploaded: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qbittorrent/4.2.5-0.1ubuntu1 (re @saivinob: Thanks @RikMills. Marked as affects me.)
 Thanks all for spotting that bug!
 I marked it as well
 Fixed version should be available in release pocket sometime later today
 @rs2009 when I try to download md5 file for 21.04 from fosstorrents site, it says you found a banana...😬
 OK from darkpenguin site.
 Ubuntu Budgie uses the repo version of gnome-software (re @philipz: are there any other flavors that are using gnome software, as it would be good to know if its a xubuntu only issue, and if not, then more attention would need to placed on it.)
 @fossfreedom does budgie suffer from this same issue? (re @saivinob: )
 @fossfreedom does ubuntu budgie suffer from this same issue? (edited) (re @saivinob: )
 We don't show the updates button
 you can set org.gnome.software allow-updates to toggle the updates pane in gnome software IIRC
 Sure. That's a default for us. Let me check what happens when I gsettings it back on.
 I installed gnome-software on UM. Currently waiting for download to finish. Will update how it goes.
 thing is the fragmentation of package managers makes it tricky, as flatpak automatic/gui updates and fwupd are handled by gnome-software normally (snap updates can also show there). And update-manager can handle both apt/snap updates (but not fwupd, flatpak). However on other distros all the updates are in one place in gnome software, but then upstream was talking about removing some things from gnome-software updates ðŸ¤
 ok - under UB - I saw the restart button after installing.  Clicking on it restarted UB - then I saw updates installing via plymouth on a reboot ... it rebooted again and there are no more updates.
 ... very Windows like
 Yup the only "safe" way to do apt/rpm updates is to reboot, most distros opt for this other than Ubuntu
 Hmm...we are on the same boat @philipz. On UM, it is only slightly better in that it actually downloads the updates but 'Restart & Update' does not do what it says. Manually rebooting at this stage also does not install updates.
 I ran gnome-software from terminal and when I clicked on 'Restart & Update', I see following error. Calling org.gnome.SessionManager.Reboot failed: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.gnome.SessionManager was not provided by any .service files
 👆that's on xubuntu. On UM, if I run gnome-software it starts the application and immediately returns to prompt. No terminal information like it shows in xubuntu.
 Ah. Makes sense why it works on Budgie ... that dbus entry is something we use. Probably xubuntu will need to code something to provide that
 On UbuntuUnity, when I click on 'Restart & Update' it shows unity shutdown prompt, on selecting restart, it just restarts normally. No updates applied. If I check software updater, it says updates have already been downloaded and prompts to 'Install Now'.
 So, it's not working on 3 flavors.
 qbittorrent fix should be in release pocket when the mirrors sync
 thanks to all who tested. having testers flag up things like this make developers/uploaders life so more simple. it is so much more hassle to fix these things post release!
 can I just say that I am also very impressed that the efforts to investigated and seek out the upstream bug and fix. this often gets left to maintainers/uploaders who have to much on their plate already, so the pointer to the fix was lovely
 can I just say that I am also very impressed with the efforts to investigated and seek out the upstream bug and fix. this often gets left to maintainers/uploaders who have to much on their plate already, so the pointer to the fix was lovely (edited)
 can I just say that I am also very impressed with the efforts to investigate and seek out the upstream bug and fix. this often gets left to maintainers/uploaders who have to much on their plate already, so the pointer to the fix was lovely (edited)
 Any tips on pages to read to figure out how to debug a boot hang on Wayland in Kubuntu?  It doesn't work for me but I don't know if I am dealing with a new bug, an old bug or an  issue that has a workaround or ... ?  I assume Wayland should be working (at least booting) in all situations now.
 I resolved a boot hang issue with NVidia + Wayland by setting nvidia-drm.modeset=1 in /etc/default/grub.  The part I forgot to do was "sudo update-grub" which was causing the hang.
 @DarinMiller was that on 21.04 Kubuntu?  I looked in that file and there is no nvidia-drm.modeset there.  Did you add that?
 Yes, you have to add it.
[22:23] <luna> i wanna die
 add it to this line: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash"
 @DarinMiller, tried it twice, didn't work.  Before it would hang when displaying "Kubuntu" after I logged in.  Now it hangs on a completely blank screen and I never even see "Kubuntu" displayed on the center of the screen.  Graphics card is an old Nvidia GT 530.
 Ensure to enable everything as outlined by David: https://blog.davidedmundson.co.uk/blog/running-kwin-wayland-on-nvidia/
 Will do ... thanks.  Is Wayland supposed to work or is the idea that folks are supposed to do all this to get it to work?  Just asking because I don't want to spend time chasing something that isn't expected to work at this time anyway.
 I found quite a few papercuts using Wayland like middle click paste not working on some apps, wine games would not run, and misc. other issue. Screen scaling was still soft/blurry with some app.  And occasional odds and ends.
 Okay, as part of testing I wanted to contribute useful information and not cause churn bringing up things that weren't expect to work (or that were already known to have issues.)
 Several project will be landing soon such as wine for wayland, new Nvidia drivers (supposedly the 470 series) plus Xoprg 1.21 and continued polishing by KDE devs should improve the experience.  But, I suspect it will be awhile before we are near parity with plain Xorg and NVidia.
 I guess I jumped the gun.  That's okay, I can stick with Xorg.  Thanks for all your help!
 This site is a little out of date as I think several of these issues have been solved.  But everything is still progressing: https://community.kde.org/Plasma/Wayland_Showstoppers
 On the above link, the text at the bottom has yesterdays date on it... so maybe it is accurate.