[03:34] <Nikola> Hello ! unfortunately I have to write about my monitor again , I get a message from devs today that is really confusing
[03:35] <Nikola> I have 4k monitor and want to set resolution 2560x1440 2k on that monitor but after installing driver 2k option disappears
[03:35] <Nikola> "It appears 2560x1440 was a fake mode created by the open source driver.
[03:35] <Nikola> It's not a mode that is officially supported by the monitor itself,
[03:35] <Nikola> whose data I have decoded below:" this message I have from devs
[03:37] <Nikola> it is officially supported by monitor manufacturer or not I know that under any windows I can set 2k on that monitor anytime
[03:38] <Nikola> under fedora I was able to set 2k anytime after installing nvidia drivers ...
[03:43] <guiverc> Nikola, your issue is more of a support one as I see it (#lubuntu makes more sense for support), as Lubuntu does not manage xorg (it's a Ubuntu package where vanvugt is a developer) or nvidia as bug now applied to (again a Ubuntu development package; not Lubuntu; we're just a user of them)
[03:43] <guiverc> you've already spoken to a Lubuntu dev here (not me) and he provided all the support he could
[03:44] <Nikola> no I cant blame nvidia for that bug because I was set 2k on nvidia drivers on any linux except that one I have
[03:44] <Nikola> tell me how to blame nvidia if any linux distro is able to do that except this one I have
[03:45] <Nikola> why you redirecting me into ubuntu if I'm using lubuntu ? and utilities I have installed is lubuntu specific
[03:45] <Nikola> in ubuntus forum they will say install gnome and then come and tell us about your issue
[03:45] <guiverc> when I meant nvidia I meant `nvidia-graphics-drivers-460` which is specific to the kernel used; were other 'distros' using the same 5.11 kernel & kernel module?
[03:47] <Nikola> he didn't do everything he could , because you again will release OS that will be unable to handle 2k
[03:47] <guiverc> the 460.67-0ubuntu1 package is restricted, meaning Ubuntu control is minimal
[03:48] <guiverc> hirsute is frozen currently so changes are restricted, now requiring SRU & all fixes are too occur post-release in most cases now.. development will start soon on the i-series release
[03:49] <Nikola> so when it will release officially it might appear possible ?
[03:50] <guiverc> the release is likely exactly what we have now due to frozen state.
[03:51] <guiverc> 'drivers' are really kernel modules; the hirsute kernel freeze has already hit (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue678#Hirsute_Hippo_.2821.04.29_kernel_freeze)
[03:52] <Nikola> I'm trying to understand simple things , there is experimental build close to release 22april as fa as I know , it is still planned to that date ?
[03:53] <guiverc> Yes the release is scheduled for 22 April - https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/hirsute-hippo-release-schedule/18539
[03:54] <Nikola> good , another simple question , will I be able to get that 2k resolution on my monitor after official release or anytime soon (as I can get with ALL other dostros)
[03:55] <Nikola> I mean 1920x1080 is very big UI it hurts my eyes I can't work in CGI softwares in full HD .. nor I can work in them with 4k state that UI is very small it hurts my eyes
[03:55] <guiverc> I don't know sorry; I doubt much will change between now and actual release.  
[03:57] <Nikola> I cant believe I need to change linux now because of that damn 2k resolution issue ... and there is lots of people on ubuntu + nvidia drivers + 2560x1440
[03:59] <guiverc> have you tried another desktop?  You can experiment easily  using *live* systems in try mode (no install), but what you're mostly describing isn't 'dstiro' releated by kernel (5.11) OR desktop related  (LXQt has less HiDpi support than some other desktops, but again more than others)
[03:59] <Nikola> I can't install nvidia on live right ?
[04:00] <guiverc> i forgot about that.... that for sure complicates things.. 
[04:00] <Nikola> you know what is main problem here , when asked about issue you are not treating that issue like yours
[04:01] <guiverc> xorg & nvidia are not Lubuntu packages.. we're just users of them
[04:01] <guiverc> and this is mostly a support discussion, not development (what this channel is intended for)
[04:02] <Nikola> but it says ubuntu-devel right ?
[04:02] <guiverc> this is #lubuntu devel, not #ubuntu-devel
[04:03] <guiverc> you could try #ubuntu-quality (great place for other flavors & testing or hirsute) or #ubuntu+1
[04:03] <Nikola> wait , you know way more about ubuntu than me for sure
[04:04] <Nikola> if I will switch to nouveau now if will be possible to set 2k on my monitor
[04:04] <Nikola> it means it takes that resolutions list from somewhere
[04:05] <Nikola> I mean that list of 3840-2160 , 1920x1080 etc
[04:05] <Nikola> those modes are listed in file somwhere on disk right ?
[04:07] <guiverc> I don't know sorry; I think they come from your GPU though in answer to query 'what modes you support' from the OS
[04:08] <guiverc> refer to comment #2 by Daniel/vanvugt on your bug report... (your monitor returned no support for the resolution)
[04:09] <Nikola> my monitor returned no support for resolution but all distros except that one can do 2k
[04:10] <Nikola> how do you think if ALL distros can do but that one can't is this monitor issue or something related to distro
[04:19] <guiverc> you're using distros in a way that is likely incorrect; were all distros using the same kernel thus same kernel modules (ie. drivers), as if they weren't your comparison is invalid/incomplete...  later kernels have better error checking (and you'll likely same restrictions with others when they use the same software stack unless you've missed something else in your comparison)
[04:20] <Nikola> I didnt miss anything all that kernel and distro comparisons are good , but I know 1 simple thing
[04:21] <Nikola> only lubuntu are unable to set monitor at 2k with nvidia drivers , I dont remember but I guess even focal fossa lubuntu was able to do that
[04:22] <Nikola> LTS one , focal fossa lubuntu , but this one cant.. after that you can blame distros , me , drivers , kernels etv
[04:23] <guiverc> if lubuntu focal could do it, then lubuntu can do it.   Focal has two kernel stack options, GA 5.4 or HWE which currently is 5.8, bu will become 5.11 when it reaches 20.04.3 so it'll risk having the same issue you're describing now, ie. kernel related and not distro related
[04:24] <guiverc> if you were good with focal & using the GA kernel, that is supported for 3 years from release by Lubuntu, ie. till 2023-April and could a solution
[04:25] <Nikola> I just wanted to be updated , of course I can roll back , is that good solution to rolling back ?
[04:25] <Nikola> according to you all ubuntu users will be unable to set 2k resolution while kernel will reach it's new release  ?
[04:26] <Nikola> then simple question why are kernel developers doing that to users ?
[04:27] <Nikola> do you understand that many people using ubuntu with all distros in CGI industry ?
[04:28] <Nikola> you can't have resolution issue in that situation , it's not UI issue or something simple and useless like that
[04:30] <Nikola> I'm comming from fedora , it was very good but little bit complicated compared to ubuntu , so I switched to ubuntu , fedora 34 was released weeks ago , it is new kernel new OS and of course can do anything with monitor 2k 4k 8k..
[04:31] <Nikola> all linuxes today can do 2k except that one , what is going on here ?  how to set that 2560x1440 entry back into monitor settings menu ? like it was in hippo while nouveau driver
[04:32] <Nikola> and devs are calling 2560x1440 mode fake , it's not fake mode if it works good.
[04:34] <guiverc> I didn't say ubuntu users won't be able to, I don't know enough.. I was trying to explain why you've had issues; Daniel was very explicit on your bug report.   Linux always moves; LTS users have two kernel stacks they can choose to use; GA that stays the same the entire life of the product, or the HWE that moves/follows upstream; been that way for a long time
[04:35] <guiverc> see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/RollingLTSEnablementStack  (the initial stack is chosen by the ISO you install; though recent server ISOs (subiquity) ask you which you want to use)
[04:36] <guiverc> Nikola, ^
[04:37] <Nikola> waht is that ?
[04:37] <Nikola> I dont want to reainstall whole thing I have all softwares installed and everything cutomized
[04:38]  * guiverc realized I didn't include you name in prior detail, so the ^ was to say who it was directed to
[04:39] <Nikola> guiverc , how many years are you using and helping to develop ubuntu \?
[04:40] <guiverc> you can re-install without loosing configs (https://phab.lubuntu.me/w/release-team/testing-checklist/ will show I last tested that with lubuntu hirsute on 9th of this month; select existing partitions & don't format)  but you can change stack (GA -> HWE or HWE -> GA for LTS releases; see prior links I gave)
[04:41] <Nikola> what I will do with that actions ? will I get back to focal fossa or what ?
[04:48] <guiverc> you always need to backup first, but you can boot & install fossa/20.04 or any release; manual partitining, use existing partitions & do not format.    (20.04.2 will use HWE kernel, 20.04 media will use GA)  .. here is an answer I gave somewhat recently that describes it somewhat  (something-else is Manual.Partininong with Lubuntu's calamares installer)
[04:48] <guiverc> Nikola, ^
[04:49] <guiverc> also note going backwards (older release) can have issues with certain programs, if you've used a newer feature in the later release that didn't exist in earlier release... that's program specific & isn't always easy to spot/predict so check what programs you use
[05:03] <Nikola> in other words I will stay with hippo and will try to solve that issue myself , if not I will repot a bug again maybe one day something will change
[05:03] <Nikola> thank you for your time . guiverc
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[10:23] <guiverc> kc2bez, you can close t179 (21.04 artwork) I believe now given daily has ...
[10:40] <kc2bez> Thanks guiverc I need to do some task management soon. 
[10:41] <guiverc> when you find time right :)
[10:43] <kc2bez> Yes :) I should have some time today. I did some work on release notes yesterday so those are coming along. 
[10:43] <guiverc> :)
[11:33] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T179: Lubuntu 21.04 Artwork contest] kc2bez (Dan Simmons) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T179#4447
[11:35] <lubot> [telegram] <Crixero> NVIDIA comes pre installed on Ubuntu Official Release (the one from Canonical). I strongly recommend you to use it instead of Lubuntu because even been Lubuntu such a great distro must of the Desktop Environments don't proper support HiDPI nor Wayland session. (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <Nikola> I can't install nvidia on live right ?)
[11:37] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T182: SDDM theme needs a full overhaul] kc2bez (Dan Simmons) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T182#4461
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[13:45] <lubot> [telegram] <teward001> I'm going to point out this is Lubuntu Development channel - you might want to consider keeping these recommendations to yourself - post installation you can easily install the nVidia drivers. (re @Crixero: NVIDIA comes pre installed on Ubuntu Official Release (the one from Canonical). I strongly recommend you to use it instead of Lubuntu because even been Lubuntu such a great distro must of the Desktop Environments don't proper
[13:47] <lubot> [telegram] <Crixero> I'm not trying to offend anyone, although you allow one user to ask for support on a Dev channel. (re @teward001: I'm going to point out this is Lubuntu Development channel - you might want to consider keeping these recommendations to yourself - post installation you can easily install the nVidia drivers.)
[13:47] <lubot> [telegram] <teward001> considering none of us were *around* that's a different issue
[13:49] <lubot> [telegram] <teward001> it also doesn't help the user you *replied* to left shortly after their issue over 8 hours ago
[13:49] <lubot> [telegram] <teward001> so...
[14:31] <lubot> [telegram] <Crixero> OK. I apologize for the disturb. (re @teward001: so...)